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1 hour ago, BeneficialCell said:Sometimes it takes a kick up the backside for things to get going, perhaps covid 19 is that? Most inventions and leaps forward in technology are reactionary to something. Some people whohave survivedabad case of covid have beenleft with badly scarred lungs which will only get worseas the years pass. Tissue repair and regeneration is going to be pushed to the forefront by the media. Acne scarring and stretchmarks, even burn scars to a certain extent are considered "meh" as you're not going to die from them. Scarring of internal organs is viewed as much more serious.
Which makes sense. Priority should be given to life threatening conditions. When it comes to stretch marks and acne scars, I'd wait for elastagen to publish their papers in q4 before worrying. I'm quite optimistic based on all I found and all the questions I've asked left and right, let's just be patient while trying to manage our expectations.
On 8/2/2020 at 3:55 PM, lehran said:Hi guys, lehran here, been away for months and it looks like the conversations about Elastagen are still very interesting. I also learned about the scientific drafts, so now all that's left to do is simply wait. That's pretty much it.
I do want to react to something, however: the "percentages", people keep throwing numbers without knowing what it means (and it's not the first time) so, when it comes to stretch marks reduction, I'll just copy/paste what I mentioned before:
(that was months ago btw)
"You guys are relying way too much on numbers, that's not how you should look at it:
is the reduction going to be the same from one technique to the other? No, not at all. Some techniques involve tissue regeneration, some involve skin tightening yada yada yada...and the results will vary a lot from one technique to the other.
For instance: for atrophic scars, acne scars and stretch marks tropoelastin skin implants would be about the "depression volume", since you're filling the skin lesions with synthetic skin. What it would mean in that case, is that if the treatment works, the synthethic skin will fill the lesion up to 80-90%. So essentially the void left will be drastically repaired, and instead of the alien scarring tissue look, you'll have the original skin look back, but the void won't be 100% filled, but 80-90%.
Do you get the difference? It does't mean that the overall look will be 80-90% better in this case, it means that the void left by atrophic scars won't be 100% filled by new skin. The truth is that it's going to be significantly difficult for anyone, including yourself, to notice a difference anymore UNLESS you had really massive scars to begin with.
You can't compare the current technics for skin lesions, which don't regenerate shit for the most part, to future ones. The main thing that was lacking so far was to obtain proper tissue regeneration was elastogenesis (re-creation of elastin fibers), and we're getting there.
So, again, this isn't a 80-90% improvement based on the current standars, but on the new ones.
NB: I'm not making up anything, this is basically how it works."
Hope I was able to help.
I could be missing something, but why cant we fill this void by 100%?
At least even 80-90 is big news *sighs*
We live in dark age of lasers and creams for stretch marks, lol.
17 minutes ago, gantz said:I could be missing something, but why cant we fill this void by 100%?
At least even 80-90 is big news *sighs*
We live in dark age of lasers and creams for stretch marks, lol.
I don't know honestly, my guess is as good as yours.
"We live in a dark age of lasers and creams for stretch marks, lol", ooooh boy do I know about that xD. I found out for myself how all these treatments with carboxytherapy, fractional radiofrequency, lasers yada yada don't do shit for stretch marks.
Ah, actually there's one that works: the vascular laser. If you stretch marks are recent (red) or if they didn't get fully discoloroed (meaning they're not completely white), you can actually make them turn white with this one, but that's it, it doesn't impact the histology of the stretch marks at all.
11 hours ago, Williamtill said:I'd vote for @lehran and you honestly if we could choose two mods: both of you always have been the chillest and most down to earth people since I joined this forum
I wouldn't put myself as a mod because I'm not quite active enough on all the threads. I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as BA either. Thank you though! 
8 hours ago, Didikaxonim said:I don't understand English very well. I live in Central Asia. I'm very interested in whether Sunogel failed or not. I wrote this to the director on Instagram.
I don't understand English very well. I live in Central Asia. I'm very interested in whether Sunogel failed or not. I wrote this to the director on Instagram.
I'm not sure. I haven't followed Sunogel as closely, as there seems to be more hype around other innovations lately. Hopefully it works. The more options the better in my book
6 hours ago, lehran said:If even the brightest scientists out there don't know when absolute scarless treatment (meaning 100%) will occur, then I'm afraid I don't either. What I do know is that the next 5 years are going to be incredibly important in that regard, and that, in itself, is a great thing.
Life is unfair: some people are incredibly beautiful AND have perfect skin, others are the opposite. You can either accept that and try to go forward, or you can't and then it's game over, pure and simple. Sorry to be harsh but that's how it works.
My confidence is definitely lower since developing acne scars. It would help if acne scars were viewed as an attractive feature, but unfortunately studies show that people with acne scars are perceived as unattractive and unconfident. I do agree with what you wrote overall though
40 minutes ago, Skin Pessimist said:I wouldn't put myself as a mod because I'm not quite active enough on all the threads. I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as BA either. Thank you though!
I'm not sure. I haven't followed Sunogel as closely, as there seems to be more hype around other innovations lately. Hopefully it works. The more options the better in my book
My confidence is definitely lower since developing acne scars. It would help if acne scars were viewed as an attractive feature, but unfortunately studies show that people with acne scars are perceived as unattractive and unconfident. I do agree with what you wrote overall though
scars are always something that really affect people's confidence, especially in a world where perfect skin is so appreciated. I personally can't wait for the elastagen papers this year, as we'll finally have an answer to our questions
15 minutes ago, Didikaxonim said:who knows when the micro coring will hit the market
Some say it will happen next year, I guess it's possible.
I'm not gonna lie though: I started this "journey" of investigating because I'm primarily interested in a product that would treat stretch marks, as there's nothing that works even slightly on the market right now, unless you want to turn them white (scars are actually way better treated than stretch marks currently, funnily enough) and yes I'm biased. Elastagen seems to be what I've been looking for based on the clinical results and their executives word (them being very optimistic about that), so I'm happy. It certainly seems to have great applications for acne scars and scars in general as well too.
My advice is this: do a lot of research yourself on micro coring, investigate, and draw conclusions yourself. Plus you'll be able to help people using sources to prove your point, which is reassuring for other people.
16 minutes ago, lehran said:Some say it will happen next year, I guess it's possible.
I'm not gonna lie though: I started this "journey" of investigating because I'm primarily interested in a product that would treat stretch marks, as there's nothing that works even slightly on the market right now, unless you want to turn them white (scars are actually way better treated than stretch marks currently, funnily enough) and yes I'm biased. Elastagen seems to be what I've been looking for based on the clinical results and their executives word (them being very optimistic about that), so I'm happy. It certainly seems to have great applications for acne scars and scars in general as well too.
My advice is this: do a lot of research yourself on micro coring, investigate, and draw conclusions yourself. Plus you'll be able to help people using sources to prove your point, which is reassuring for other people.
Unfortunatly, there is almost nothing what we can investigate about micro coring. ;(
I have not heard anything in the news for years for anything that helps scarring! Accutane was the last big acne treatment and that came out in the early 80's....might be decades or never until we find anything that works and i will be long dead.The only thing i can think of is a kinda thin mask over the skin that your skin underneath it can still function but covers up all the scars.
For my scars, I'm a big supporter of the tech and logic behind microcoring. I did see a "microcoring-like" device being advertised on YouTube for use in treating wounds with transplanted microcores to speed up healing but until I get more info on the device(width, diameter and safety) to know if the excisions heal scarlessly I can't say it's the same kind of tool cytrellis is creating.
If all boxes check out I'll find a way to get it and test it out on a scar on my ankle, at least after 4 sessions 3 months apart in a year I'd be able to objectively say if it works and then go to work on all my scars.
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1 hour ago, nikkigirl said:I have not heard anything in the news for years for anything that helps scarring! Accutane was the last big acne treatment and that came out in the early 80's....might be decades or never until we find anything that works and i will be long dead.The only thing i can think of is a kinda thin mask over the skin that your skin underneath it can still function but covers up all the scars.
It will , it's a question of time ....
It essentially seems to be a "better" skin tightening device than fractional radiofrequency as other people told me, I see nothing here mentioning tissue regeneration.
I don't know, I understand the need to feel hopeful about this kind of stuff, but I just don't see it honestly. I was talking about green signals not long ago when it comes to this stuff (who's investing in it, who wants to buy, who's working on it, proof of concept, background of the people who work here, how much money is at stake, yada yada yada) and I don't see much.
Micro coring is apparently going to be yet another interesting addition to treat wrinkles, but I wouldn't bet on it otherwise.
9 minutes ago, lehran said:It essentially seems to be a "better" skin tightening device than fractional radiofrequency as other people told me, I see nothing here mentioning tissue regeneration.
I don't know, I understand the need to feel hopeful about this kind of stuff, but I just don't see it honestly. I was talking about green signals not long ago when it comes to this stuff (who's investing in it, who wants to buy, who's working on it, proof of concept, background of the people who work here, how much money is at stake, yada yada yada) and I don't see much.
Micro coring is apparently going to be yet another interesting addition to treat wrinkles, but I wouldn't bet on it otherwise.
what do you mean by that
23 hours ago, lehran said:It essentially seems to be a "better" skin tightening device than fractional radiofrequency as other people told me, I see nothing here mentioning tissue regeneration.
I don't know, I understand the need to feel hopeful about this kind of stuff, but I just don't see it honestly. I was talking about green signals not long ago when it comes to this stuff (who's investing in it, who wants to buy, who's working on it, proof of concept, background of the people who work here, how much money is at stake, yada yada yada) and I don't see much.
Micro coring is apparently going to be yet another interesting addition to treat wrinkles, but I wouldn't bet on it otherwise.
I just dont get it, why science cant get this right, i mean we can put the man on the moon, or develop weapon that can destroy whole world within minutes, but we cant figure out how to remove scars , or treat em so they look 80-90% better . And i am not even talking about acne scarring but scars from burns , car accidents, or terrible scars that got soldiers from combat .
Theres always some "miracle treatment " that should solve this things and then you realize it will give 30-40 % improvement at best scenario and with possible side effects . This is just ....
Lots of claims with little to go on. People straight up harassing and mocking others over scars. Microcoring, Elastagen, fs2, Sunogel and whatever comes out in the future can never replace the lost time and depression scars cause, so don't let it.. Doubt microcoring will be just another "wrinkle treatment" but I could be wrong, Elastagen could be a filler replacement for all anyone knows. I'd rather wait and see than come to down people's hope on anything.
20 minutes ago, David4bay said:Lots of claims with little to go on. People straight up harassing and mocking others over scars. Microcoring, Elastagen, fs2, Sunogel and whatever comes out in the future can never replace the lost time and depression scars cause, so don't let it.. Doubt microcoring will be just another "wrinkle treatment" but I could be wrong, Elastagen could be a filler replacement for all anyone knows. I'd rather wait and see than come to down people's hope on anything.
I guess we'll just have to wait for the scientific papers to be released at the end of the year to see whether elastagen's claims are valid or not regarding it fixing stretch marks and acne scars.
As for the rest, I agree: the way some people have been going at each other's throats the last week (although most of it is apparently due to insecurity) is sad.