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9 hours ago, Scarcure said:Ok , so you're clearly a troll that's here to insult others and not do or say anything that's constructive ? , how does it feel to be a defective nothing ?.
I think it's the other way around. You insulted me plenty of times and clearly, you can't tell the difference between a first, second and third degree burn. Get your facts straight. When I catch you at your own game, you play the innocent victim card.
We don't care if some laser resurfacing treatment left you with prolonged hyperpigmentation. You are 31 years old, behaving like a kid. Get a life and please don't reply to me anymore. The world doesn't revolve around you.
5 hours ago, Skin Pessimist said:This dispute is spiraling out of control. No need for such division. We're all here hoping for innovations that help improve our lives
but when will these technologies come on the market? sunogel is also quiet now. has this technology also failed? elastagenchi? can micro coring help us?
please get information about sunogel or micro coring from their director. Did you write to their email?
5 minutes ago, Didikaxonim said:but when will these technologies come on the market? sunogel is also quiet now. has this technology also failed? elastagenchi? can micro coring help us?
please get information about sunogel or micro coring from their director. Did you write to their email?
sunogel has failed, don't count on it. As for micro-coring, I share the exact same reservations as @Skin Pessimistdoes. I'm a bit biased though, as I'm only looking for ways to get rid of the stretch marks I have on literally all my joints (I don't have scars or acne scars), and elastagen has the solution for that.
It's quite simple overall though: elastagen was bought for hundreds of millions of dollars by a behemoth of the comestic fillers world erven before scientific papers were out (those @Armanilkomentioned) and the guy who created the company has been working on elastagenesis since 1995, being the de facto world leader in research regarding elastine synthesis.
It's not something that tightens the skin or removes part of the skin, it's literally a product that fills in voids in the dermis, creating proper skin tissue where there is none, which is exactly why it's so adequate for stretch marks and acne scars.
A little update from too, concerning elastagen guys: this is about hypertrophic scars.
They're saying that their product potential is actually very well suited to hypertrophic scars, but that it's going to take several more years before they can find a way to properly treat them: the problem is that these scars are raised, so you kind have to find a way to eliminate the way they're "over-extended" before applying the solution.
TLDR: their tropoelastin-based synthetic skin will apparently work, but you're going to have to be more patient than us fellas who "only" have atrophic scars.
1 hour ago, Valkyros said:sunogel has failed, don't count on it. As for micro-coring, I share the exact same reservations as @Skin Pessimistdoes. I'm a bit biased though, as I'm only looking for ways to get rid of the stretch marks I have on literally all my joints (I don't have scars or acne scars), and elastagen has the solution for that.
It's quite simple overall though: elastagen was bought for hundreds of millions of dollars by a behemoth of the comestic fillers world erven before scientific papers were out (those @Armanilkomentioned) and the guy who created the company has been working on elastagenesis since 1995, being the de facto world leader in research regarding elastine synthesis.
It's not something that tightens the skin or removes part of the skin, it's literally a product that fills in voids in the dermis, creating proper skin tissue where there is none, which is exactly why it's so adequate for stretch marks and acne scars.
sunogel failed? so it won't go on the market? i'm disappointed by this news.eleastagen is like an elephant? will it grow new skin? or should i do it every month too? that's too bad
8 hours ago, Scarlessfuture said:I think it's the other way around. You insulted me plenty of times and clearly, you can't tell the difference between a first, second and third degree burn. Get your facts straight. When I catch you at your own game, you play the innocent victim card.
We don't care if some laser resurfacing treatment left you with prolonged hyperpigmentation. You are 31 years old, behaving like a kid. Get a life and please don't reply to me anymore. The world doesn't revolve around you.
And once again why are you on here for the sake of ad hominems and being an idiot ? ... lets just agree not to reply to each other ... the end.
2 minutes ago, Scarcure said:
I'm sorry, I don't understand English very well. What is this about? Can you tell me? Thank you in advance.
4 minutes ago, Didikaxonim said:I'm sorry, I don't understand English very well. What is this about? Can you tell me? Thank you in advance.
No prob mate , this article is basically about a start up company creating a 3d robot that bioprints regenerated skin for 2nd degree burns
3 hours ago, Valkyros said:sunogel has failed, don't count on it. As for micro-coring, I share the exact same reservations as @Skin Pessimistdoes. I'm a bit biased though, as I'm only looking for ways to get rid of the stretch marks I have on literally all my joints (I don't have scars or acne scars), and elastagen has the solution for that.
It's quite simple overall though: elastagen was bought for hundreds of millions of dollars by a behemoth of the comestic fillers world erven before scientific papers were out (those @Armanilkomentioned) and the guy who created the company has been working on elastagenesis since 1995, being the de facto world leader in research regarding elastine synthesis.
It's not something that tightens the skin or removes part of the skin, it's literally a product that fills in voids in the dermis, creating proper skin tissue where there is none, which is exactly why it's so adequate for stretch marks and acne scars.
unfortunately, all info we have about micro coring for treating stretch marks is only one pic. looks not so bad, because procedure is highly iterable
21 minutes ago, gantz said:unfortunately, all info we have about micro coring for treating stretch marks is only one pic. looks not so bad, because procedure is highly iterable
(sorry for getting involved the conversation but I wanted to), I saw the same picture (honestly those don't even look like stretch marks at all), it doesn't seem to be worth it at all, the improvement seems minimal. I think I saw that one 5 months ago and I was like "....weeeel that's disappointing", lol.
Gonna wait for elastagen's scientifical papers as well, hopefully it will work
16 minutes ago, Williamtill said:(sorry for getting involved the conversation but I wanted to), I saw the same picture (honestly those don't even look like stretch marks at all), it doesn't seem to be worth it at all, the improvement seems minimal. I think I saw that one 5 months ago and I was like "....weeeel that's disappointing", lol.
Gonna wait for elastagen's scientifical papers as well, hopefully it will work
Well it is to be expected, you are removing 7.5% of the treated area afterall. Hence the "multiple treatments are needed" remark. If microcoring gets released late or early next year then we have a year and mores worth of time to assess the treatment improvements overtime. Elastagen may even be incorporated to speed up closing of microcores for scattered scars or maintain skin appendages if it's found out the procedure results in their loss. Great times indeed, we need only observe and save up for these treatments.
2 minutes ago, David4bay said:Well it is to be expected, you are removing 7.5% of the treated area afterall. Hence the "multiple treatments are needed" remark. If microcoring gets released late or early next year then we have a year and mores worth of time to assess the treatment improvements overtime. Elastagen may even be incorporated to speed up closing of microcores for scattered scars or maintain skin appendages if it's found out the procedure results in their loss. Great times indeed, we need only observe and save up for these treatments.
What I love about microcoring is that the procedure is truly innovative. It can be said that this is a new generation of procedures, that replacing lasers. at least i hope so
Hi guys, lehran here, been away for months and it looks like the conversations about Elastagen are still very interesting. I also learned about the scientific drafts, so now all that's left to do is simply wait. That's pretty much it.
I do want to react to something, however: the "percentages", people keep throwing numbers without knowing what it means (and it's not the first time) so, when it comes to stretch marks reduction, I'll just copy/paste what I mentioned before:
(that was months ago btw)
"You guys are relying way too much on numbers, that's not how you should look at it:
is the reduction going to be the same from one technique to the other? No, not at all. Some techniques involve tissue regeneration, some involve skin tightening yada yada yada...and the results will vary a lot from one technique to the other.
For instance: for atrophic scars, acne scars and stretch marks tropoelastin skin implants would be about the "depression volume", since you're filling the skin lesions with synthetic skin. What it would mean in that case, is that if the treatment works, the synthethic skin will fill the lesion up to 80-90%. So essentially the void left will be drastically repaired, and instead of the alien scarring tissue look, you'll have the original skin look back, but the void won't be 100% filled, but 80-90%.
Do you get the difference? It does't mean that the overall look will be 80-90% better in this case, it means that the void left by atrophic scars won't be 100% filled by new skin. The truth is that it's going to be significantly difficult for anyone, including yourself, to notice a difference anymore UNLESS you had really massive scars to begin with.
You can't compare the current technics for skin lesions, which don't regenerate shit for the most part, to future ones. The main thing that was lacking so far was to obtain proper tissue regeneration was elastogenesis (re-creation of elastin fibers), and we're getting there.
So, again, this isn't a 80-90% improvement based on the current standars, but on the new ones.
NB: I'm not making up anything, this is basically how it works."
Hope I was able to help.
2 hours ago, Scarcure said:And once again why are you on here for the sake of ad hominems and being an idiot ? ... lets just agree not to reply to each other ... the end.
You just can't shut up, can you. You always must have the final word.
Please educate us about burns again. Please go see a psychiatrist, I think you forgot your meds.
I know you are an idiot, but what am I? And don't forget to honor your last commitment, don't reply to my post....the end.
18 minutes ago, lehran said:Hi guys, lehran here, been away for months and it looks like the conversations about Elastagen are still very interesting. I also learned about the scientific drafts, so now all that's left to do is simply wait. That's pretty much it.
I do want to react to something, however: the "percentages", people keep throwing numbers without knowing what it means (and it's not the first time) so, when it comes to stretch marks reduction, I'll just copy/paste what I mentioned before:
(that was months ago btw)
"You guys are relying way too much on numbers, that's not how you should look at it:
is the reduction going to be the same from one technique to the other? No, not at all. Some techniques involve tissue regeneration, some involve skin tightening yada yada yada...and the results will vary a lot from one technique to the other.
For instance: for atrophic scars, acne scars and stretch marks tropoelastin skin implants would be about the "depression volume", since you're filling the skin lesions with synthetic skin. What it would mean in that case, is that if the treatment works, the synthethic skin will fill the lesion up to 80-90%. So essentially the void left will be drastically repaired, and instead of the alien scarring tissue look, you'll have the original skin look back, but the void won't be 100% filled, but 80-90%.
Do you get the difference? It does't mean that the overall look will be 80-90% better in this case, it means that the void left by atrophic scars won't be 100% filled by new skin. The truth is that it's going to be significantly difficult for anyone, including yourself, to notice a difference anymore UNLESS you had really massive scars to begin with.
You can't compare the current technics for skin lesions, which don't regenerate shit for the most part, to future ones. The main thing that was lacking so far was to obtain proper tissue regeneration was elastogenesis (re-creation of elastin fibers), and we're getting there.
So, again, this isn't a 80-90% improvement based on the current standars, but on the new ones.
NB: I'm not making up anything, this is basically how it works."
Hope I was able to help.
do you mean that elastagen does not regenerate the skin?
3 minutes ago, Didikaxonim said:whether new skin grows?
I'm sorry but just use google translate tool if you didn't get my original quote, I'm not going to re-explain it all over again (I did several times months ago).
nb: @Armanilko I'm also in contact with the elastagen team. Do you mind if I upload the scientific papers here myself when they're out, if you haven't done it yourself by the time they're available?
The allergan patent is online for those that haven't read it http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2019/0328845.html
7 minutes ago, BeneficialCell said:The allergan patent is online for those that haven't read it http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2019/0328845.html
Yup, good read, def recommend it