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2 hours ago, Didikaxonim said:Does micro coring just improve scarring like a laser? Cant remove a scar?
When will tripoelastine be released?
micro coring extracts columns of tissue, no matter what, healthy or scarred. but these columns are small (0.5 mm diameter), since only in this case it is possible to get rid of scar tissue without forming a new one in the same place. lasers do not extract tissue (the laser rather leaves a burn, which causes the skin to produce collagen and look rejuvenated),this is the main difference and advantage of micro coring. I cant guarantee that you can get rid of scars, nobody knows this, but micro coring as a concept, unlike using a laser, is ideal for treating scars because it doesnt rejuvenate, does not heal or stmth else like that. it simply removes tissue, and the holes from the extracted tissue contractwithout scarring.
also, amount of tissue that u can extract within one procedure is about 5-7% of treated area. So significant results may occur after maybe 10+ iterations.
6 hours ago, gantz said:micro coring extracts columns of tissue, no matter what, healthy or scarred. but these columns are small (0.5 mm diameter), since only in this case it is possible to get rid of scar tissue without forming a new one in the same place. lasers do not extract tissue (the laser rather leaves a burn, which causes the skin to produce collagen and look rejuvenated),this is the main difference and advantage of micro coring. I cant guarantee that you can get rid of scars, nobody knows this, but micro coring as a concept, unlike using a laser, is ideal for treating scars because it doesnt rejuvenate, does not heal or stmth else like that. it simply removes tissue, and the holes from the extracted tissue contractwithout scarring.
also, amount of tissue that u can extract within one procedure is about 5-7% of treated area. So significant results may occur after maybe 10+ iterations.
The reason I'm not very excited by that potential treatment is that it would be difficult to treat large scars. If micro coring is capable of treating such scars, it would likely take multiple sessions. At that point, we aren't talking about something that is cheaper or more convenient than subcision or TCA cross, although it may work better. I'm unsure micro coring would work on large rolling scars in particular, since the scar tissue is tethered to the dermis. Tropoelastin is more promising for such scars. Everyone has different priorities. For me, fixing my rolling scars comes first. Rolling scars destroy facial volume and create wide indents that are noticeable from decent ranges. I have prominent cheekbones, yet they're ruined by the presence of several rolling scars. It's extremely noticeable since the skin on the cheekbone goes outwards, whereas the tethered rolling scar suddenly contracts inwards. I have plenty of ice pick scars, but they don't have as noticeable of an impact on my overall facial volume. Boxcar scars would be my second priority after rolling scars.
14 hours ago, Skin Pessimist said:The reason I'm not very excited by that potential treatment is that it would be difficult to treat large scars. If micro coring is capable of treating such scars, it would likely take multiple sessions. At that point, we aren't talking about something that is cheaper or more convenient than subcision or TCA cross, although it may work better. I'm unsure micro coring would work on large rolling scars in particular, since the scar tissue is tethered to the dermis. Tropoelastin is more promising for such scars. Everyone has different priorities. For me, fixing my rolling scars comes first. Rolling scars destroy facial volume and create wide indents that are noticeable from decent ranges. I have prominent cheekbones, yet they're ruined by the presence of several rolling scars. It's extremely noticeable since the skin on the cheekbone goes outwards, whereas the tethered rolling scar suddenly contracts inwards. I have plenty of ice pick scars, but they don't have as noticeable of an impact on my overall facial volume. Boxcar scars would be my second priority after rolling scars.
but it's not clear if tripoelastin will hit the market, right? Should tripoelastine be made all the time like filler?its bad
20 hours ago, gantz said:micro coring extracts columns of tissue, no matter what, healthy or scarred. but these columns are small (0.5 mm diameter), since only in this case it is possible to get rid of scar tissue without forming a new one in the same place. lasers do not extract tissue (the laser rather leaves a burn, which causes the skin to produce collagen and look rejuvenated),this is the main difference and advantage of micro coring. I cant guarantee that you can get rid of scars, nobody knows this, but micro coring as a concept, unlike using a laser, is ideal for treating scars because it doesnt rejuvenate, does not heal or stmth else like that. it simply removes tissue, and the holes from the extracted tissue contractwithout scarring.
also, amount of tissue that u can extract within one procedure is about 5-7% of treated area. So significant results may occur after maybe 10+ iterations.
I would like the micro coring to work well with the scar well. and removed
16 hours ago, Skin Pessimist said:The reason I'm not very excited by that potential treatment is that it would be difficult to treat large scars. If micro coring is capable of treating such scars, it would likely take multiple sessions. At that point, we aren't talking about something that is cheaper or more convenient than subcision or TCA cross, although it may work better. I'm unsure micro coring would work on large rolling scars in particular, since the scar tissue is tethered to the dermis. Tropoelastin is more promising for such scars. Everyone has different priorities. For me, fixing my rolling scars comes first. Rolling scars destroy facial volume and create wide indents that are noticeable from decent ranges. I have prominent cheekbones, yet they're ruined by the presence of several rolling scars. It's extremely noticeable since the skin on the cheekbone goes outwards, whereas the tethered rolling scar suddenly contracts inwards. I have plenty of ice pick scars, but they don't have as noticeable of an impact on my overall facial volume. Boxcar scars would be my second priority after rolling scars.
Microcoring is definitely capable of removing those scars couse it goes all the way through the skin it even hits the fat layer but it doesnt damage it couse the punctures are so small. Id say microcoring will be the first good treatment ever, the only downside is you will need way more treatments couse it can only remove 5-8% of skin once 3 months
4 hours ago, AlexZ77 said:Microcoring is definitely capable of removing those scars couse it goes all the way through the skin it even hits the fat layer but it doesnt damage it couse the punctures are so small. Id say microcoring will be the first good treatment ever, the only downside is you will need way more treatments couse it can only remove 5-8% of skin once 3 months
The problem with treating large, wide scars is where do you even start? If you started in the middle of a rolling scar, the punctured area would probably attach to the tethered scar tissue around it. If you start on the edge, it may work, or maybe it would attach back to the tethered skin tissue in the middle. I'm not an expert on micro coring by any stretch, so I may be completely wrong. I hope I am. It does seem like a treatment that requires many sessions to completely treat large scars. The only way it would be worth it to me is it the result are great and the price is somewhat manageable.
22 hours ago, Skin Pessimist said:The problem with treating large, wide scars is where do you even start? If you started in the middle of a rolling scar, the punctured area would probably attach to the tethered scar tissue around it. If you start on the edge, it may work, or maybe it would attach back to the tethered skin tissue in the middle. I'm not an expert on micro coring by any stretch, so I may be completely wrong. I hope I am. It does seem like a treatment that requires many sessions to completely treat large scars. The only way it would be worth it to me is it the result are great and the price is somewhat manageable.
Have you had subcision done or micro fat grafting?
My experience with rolling scars I smashed it with subcision, 3mm medical grade needling and lasting micro fat grafts. Those treatments did the heavy lifting and now I have really good contour without obvious indentations. Whats left is some textural issues which Im hopong Microcoring can resolve.
As AlexZ77 said Microcoring should be able to core deep enough where that tissue is tethered. If not revert back to the former treatments first then finish with Microcoring.
1 hour ago, Sniffy said:Have you had subcision done or micro fat grafting?
My experience with rolling scars I smashed it with subcision, 3mm medical grade needling and lasting micro fat grafts. Those treatments did the heavy lifting and now I have really good contour without obvious indentations. Whats left is some textural issues which Im hopong Microcoring can resolve.
As AlexZ77 said Microcoring should be able to core deep enough where that tissue is tethered. If not revert back to the former treatments first then finish with Microcoring.
hello friends.allergen company posted a video about elastagen on youtube.I don't know English.this video was posted on July 14. what is said there?
7 hours ago, Sniffy said:Have you had subcision done or micro fat grafting?
My experience with rolling scars I smashed it with subcision, 3mm medical grade needling and lasting micro fat grafts. Those treatments did the heavy lifting and now I have really good contour without obvious indentations. Whats left is some textural issues which Im hopong Microcoring can resolve.
As AlexZ77 said Microcoring should be able to core deep enough where that tissue is tethered. If not revert back to the former treatments first then finish with Microcoring.
No, there are no dermatologists in my area that specialize in things like subcision. The only option would be to go to LA or Washington for multiple different procedures. Subcision is the best treatment for rolling scars currently in existence, but it takes multiple sessions for optimal results. Even then, it's not something that will give miraculous 75% improvement to everyone. It would also be extremely expensive, especially factoring in the travel.
I hope Microcoring works well and gains wide acceptance when it comes out. Have an atrophic scar on my face thanks to acne I was trying to extract. Would try microneedling but I can't at the moment, probably sometime next year..
I think microcoring would be a good step in the right direction of getting rid of as much lax collagen on my scar as much as possible, it's flat but is slightly hyperpigmented(retin a helped fade it a lot) at the side.. Hate it but my hands are tied till this procedure gets out, it'll take a while before getting to my country but I'll be happy for it to be out and then figure out a way of getting it done on my scar(possibly by reaching out to plastic surgeons who go for training overseas to get the device as it's a game changer).
EDIT : Found out the scar isn't papyraceous, those scars are traits of people with EDS.
BIG NEWS REGARDING STRETCH MARKS AND ACNE SCARS (Elastagen)
Apparently allergan and elastagen will publish scientific papers at the end of the year which will report how efficient the product is for treating stretch marks AND acne scars. So normally it's gonna happen during Q4 thi year, worst case scenario is Q1 next year.
This kinda confirms that it should only take a couple years before it's out.
Also, as a positive net, I remember reading someone's comment about them (the elastagen staff) being quite optimistic with how good it would be for stretch marks...well apparently nothing changed in that regard.
TLDR: be patient, we'll know more about that very soon.
nb: @Skin Pessimist 's remarks about micro coring seem to be very valid, as I've asked several dermatologists (the few I could found who are aware about both elastagen and micro coring) and according to them, tropoelastin is a much, much more promising way of treating scars and stretch marks in the long-term. They did mention that hypetrophic and huge scars might need more research/time before they get a proper treatment, but the optimism is still there...guess when a giant like allergan buys a company for hundreds of millions of dollars, there's a good reason behind it.
Cheers fellas, life is good !
@ArmanilkoThis is super good news, thanks a lot mate
4 hours ago, Armanilko said:BIG NEWS REGARDING STRETCH MARKS AND ACNE SCARS (Elastagen)
Apparently allergan and elastagen will publish scientific papers at the end of the year which will report how efficient the product is for treating stretch marks AND acne scars. So normally it's gonna happen during Q4 thi year, worst case scenario is Q1 next year.
This kinda confirms that it should only take a couple years before it's out.
Also, as a positive net, I remember reading someone's comment about them (the elastagen staff) being quite optimistic with how good it would be for stretch marks...well apparently nothing changed in that regard.
TLDR: be patient, we'll know more about that very soon.
nb: @Skin Pessimist 's remarks about micro coring seem to be very valid, as I've asked several dermatologists (the few I could found who are aware about both elastagen and micro coring) and according to them, tropoelastin is a much, much more promising way of treating scars and stretch marks in the long-term. They did mention that hypetrophic and huge scars might need more research/time before they get a proper treatment, but the optimism is still there...guess when a giant like allergan buys a company for hundreds of millions of dollars, there's a good reason behind it.
Cheers fellas, life is good !
What is the source of this?
23 hours ago, Armanilko said:BIG NEWS REGARDING STRETCH MARKS AND ACNE SCARS (Elastagen)
Apparently allergan and elastagen will publish scientific papers at the end of the year which will report how efficient the product is for treating stretch marks AND acne scars. So normally it's gonna happen during Q4 thi year, worst case scenario is Q1 next year.
This kinda confirms that it should only take a couple years before it's out.
Also, as a positive net, I remember reading someone's comment about them (the elastagen staff) being quite optimistic with how good it would be for stretch marks...well apparently nothing changed in that regard.
TLDR: be patient, we'll know more about that very soon.
nb: @Skin Pessimist 's remarks about micro coring seem to be very valid, as I've asked several dermatologists (the few I could found who are aware about both elastagen and micro coring) and according to them, tropoelastin is a much, much more promising way of treating scars and stretch marks in the long-term. They did mention that hypetrophic and huge scars might need more research/time before they get a proper treatment, but the optimism is still there...guess when a giant like allergan buys a company for hundreds of millions of dollars, there's a good reason behind it.
Cheers fellas, life is good !
Does that mean micro coring doesnt work well with this?
5 hours ago, Didikaxonim said:Does that mean micro coring doesnt work well with this?
Not necessarily. Tropoelastin filler will undoubtedly have faster results at plumping scars up because that's just how fillers work. That of course will be more appealing to doctors and patients as you have an immediate result. But who knows how long you retain 80-90% improvement with it? Compare that to microcoring wheredepending on the severity ofyour scarsit could take 3 to 5 years of treatments to get that 80-90%. Howeverthose results will be permanent. There are pros and cons to both. We really won't knowthe answers until the trial results are published.
2 hours ago, BeneficialCell said:Not necessarily. Tropoelastin filler will undoubtedly have faster results at plumping scars up because that's just how fillers work. That of course will be more appealing to doctors and patients as you have an immediate result. But who knows how long you retain 80-90% improvement with it? Compare that to microcoring wheredepending on the severity ofyour scarsit could take 3 to 5 years of treatments to get that 80-90%. Howeverthose results will be permanent. There are pros and cons to both. We really won't knowthe answers until the trial results are published.
Personally I'd prefer the microcoring route, in as much as the scar is being removed physically, and as we all know technology gets streamlined further down the line, so who knows? Maybe there'll be a way to core out a greater amount in the future as the patents for crytellis also site multiple core arrays.
3 hours ago, BeneficialCell said:Not necessarily. Tropoelastin filler will undoubtedly have faster results at plumping scars up because that's just how fillers work. That of course will be more appealing to doctors and patients as you have an immediate result. But who knows how long you retain 80-90% improvement with it? Compare that to microcoring wheredepending on the severity ofyour scarsit could take 3 to 5 years of treatments to get that 80-90%. Howeverthose results will be permanent. There are pros and cons to both. We really won't knowthe answers until the trial results are published.
I haven't seen anything that indicates that Elastagen is a temporary filler. We'll see though. I'm not getting my hopes up in general
17 hours ago, BeneficialCell said:Not necessarily. Tropoelastin filler will undoubtedly have faster results at plumping scars up because that's just how fillers work. That of course will be more appealing to doctors and patients as you have an immediate result. But who knows how long you retain 80-90% improvement with it? Compare that to microcoring wheredepending on the severity ofyour scarsit could take 3 to 5 years of treatments to get that 80-90%. Howeverthose results will be permanent. There are pros and cons to both. We really won't knowthe answers until the trial results are published.
Elastagen is not a band-aid treatment, it's definitive: it's a synthethic 3D skin replacement for atrophic lesions, which stimulates elastine reproduction. It's not to be compared with fractional radiofrequency which, for example, simply tries to tighten the skin, it's a bio-engineered skin substitute
On 7/21/2020 at 9:30 AM, Armanilko said:Elastagen is not a band-aid treatment, it's definitive: it's a synthethic 3D skin replacement for atrophic lesions, which stimulates elastine reproduction. It's not to be compared with fractional radiofrequency which, for example, simply tries to tighten the skin, it's a bio-engineered skin substitute
I don't really understand what elastagen is supposed to do, on checking I'm getting info that it can be in an injectable or physical form to be put in a treated area, my questions are on if it will regenerate normal skin with hair and pores with the skins natural taut elastic texture if placed on a treated area to heal and if there will be no visible scarring from such a procedure. And for the injectable form I'd like to know if that is just meant to plump up a sunken scar and add elasticity only or if it can actually remodel scar tissue into normal looking skin. Anything you understand about it would be greatly appreciated as the atrophic scars I have are just 2 box scars that I've grown to like and only wish to remove the flat discoloured scald scar on my face, thanks.
3 hours ago, David4bay said:I don't really understand what elastagen is supposed to do, on checking I'm getting info that it can be in an injectable or physical form to be put in a treated area, my questions are on if it will regenerate normal skin with hair and pores with the skins natural taut elastic texture if placed on a treated area to heal and if there will be no visible scarring from such a procedure. And for the injectable form I'd like to know if that is just meant to plump up a sunken scar and add elasticity only or if it can actually remodel scar tissue into normal looking skin. Anything you understand about it would be greatly appreciated as the atrophic scars I have are just 2 box scars that I've grown to like and only wish to remove the flat discoloured scald scar on my face, thanks.
Is there any news about micro coring?
On 7/21/2020 at 1:30 PM, Armanilko said:Elastagen is not a band-aid treatment, it's definitive: it's a synthethic 3D skin replacement for atrophic lesions, which stimulates elastine reproduction. It's not to be compared with fractional radiofrequency which, for example, simply tries to tighten the skin, it's a bio-engineered skin substitute
Is there any news about micro coring?
17 hours ago, David4bay said:I don't really understand what elastagen is supposed to do, on checking I'm getting info that it can be in an injectable or physical form to be put in a treated area, my questions are on if it will regenerate normal skin with hair and pores with the skins natural taut elastic texture if placed on a treated area to heal and if there will be no visible scarring from such a procedure. And for the injectable form I'd like to know if that is just meant to plump up a sunken scar and add elasticity only or if it can actually remodel scar tissue into normal looking skin. Anything you understand about it would be greatly appreciated as the atrophic scars I have are just 2 box scars that I've grown to like and only wish to remove the flat discoloured scald scar on my face, thanks.
https://go8.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Allies-In-Excellence.pdf
Go to page 18, all your questions are answered there. And here's probably the most interesting quote:
"With sheets of Tropoelastin laid on the damaged site, a synthetic skin forms. According to Professor Weiss it halves skin repair time, with resulting eco-nomic benefits for both patient and health system. It allows a patients own blood vessels and cells to grow through it, becoming a soft flexible replace-ment skin that can sweat, and have hair follicles re-grow. It significantly minimises or removes scarring"