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1 hour ago, Sniffy said:Have you had subcision done or micro fat grafting?
My experience with rolling scars I smashed it with subcision, 3mm medical grade needling and lasting micro fat grafts. Those treatments did the heavy lifting and now I have really good contour without obvious indentations. Whats left is some textural issues which Im hopong Microcoring can resolve.
As AlexZ77 said Microcoring should be able to core deep enough where that tissue is tethered. If not revert back to the former treatments first then finish with Microcoring.
hello friends.allergen company posted a video about elastagen on youtube.I don't know English.this video was posted on July 14. what is said there?
7 hours ago, Sniffy said:Have you had subcision done or micro fat grafting?
My experience with rolling scars I smashed it with subcision, 3mm medical grade needling and lasting micro fat grafts. Those treatments did the heavy lifting and now I have really good contour without obvious indentations. Whats left is some textural issues which Im hopong Microcoring can resolve.
As AlexZ77 said Microcoring should be able to core deep enough where that tissue is tethered. If not revert back to the former treatments first then finish with Microcoring.
No, there are no dermatologists in my area that specialize in things like subcision. The only option would be to go to LA or Washington for multiple different procedures. Subcision is the best treatment for rolling scars currently in existence, but it takes multiple sessions for optimal results. Even then, it's not something that will give miraculous 75% improvement to everyone. It would also be extremely expensive, especially factoring in the travel.
I hope Microcoring works well and gains wide acceptance when it comes out. Have an atrophic scar on my face thanks to acne I was trying to extract. Would try microneedling but I can't at the moment, probably sometime next year..
I think microcoring would be a good step in the right direction of getting rid of as much lax collagen on my scar as much as possible, it's flat but is slightly hyperpigmented(retin a helped fade it a lot) at the side.. Hate it but my hands are tied till this procedure gets out, it'll take a while before getting to my country but I'll be happy for it to be out and then figure out a way of getting it done on my scar(possibly by reaching out to plastic surgeons who go for training overseas to get the device as it's a game changer).
EDIT : Found out the scar isn't papyraceous, those scars are traits of people with EDS.
BIG NEWS REGARDING STRETCH MARKS AND ACNE SCARS (Elastagen)
Apparently allergan and elastagen will publish scientific papers at the end of the year which will report how efficient the product is for treating stretch marks AND acne scars. So normally it's gonna happen during Q4 thi year, worst case scenario is Q1 next year.
This kinda confirms that it should only take a couple years before it's out.
Also, as a positive net, I remember reading someone's comment about them (the elastagen staff) being quite optimistic with how good it would be for stretch marks...well apparently nothing changed in that regard.
TLDR: be patient, we'll know more about that very soon.
nb: @Skin Pessimist 's remarks about micro coring seem to be very valid, as I've asked several dermatologists (the few I could found who are aware about both elastagen and micro coring) and according to them, tropoelastin is a much, much more promising way of treating scars and stretch marks in the long-term. They did mention that hypetrophic and huge scars might need more research/time before they get a proper treatment, but the optimism is still there...guess when a giant like allergan buys a company for hundreds of millions of dollars, there's a good reason behind it.
Cheers fellas, life is good !
4 hours ago, Armanilko said:BIG NEWS REGARDING STRETCH MARKS AND ACNE SCARS (Elastagen)
Apparently allergan and elastagen will publish scientific papers at the end of the year which will report how efficient the product is for treating stretch marks AND acne scars. So normally it's gonna happen during Q4 thi year, worst case scenario is Q1 next year.
This kinda confirms that it should only take a couple years before it's out.
Also, as a positive net, I remember reading someone's comment about them (the elastagen staff) being quite optimistic with how good it would be for stretch marks...well apparently nothing changed in that regard.
TLDR: be patient, we'll know more about that very soon.
nb: @Skin Pessimist 's remarks about micro coring seem to be very valid, as I've asked several dermatologists (the few I could found who are aware about both elastagen and micro coring) and according to them, tropoelastin is a much, much more promising way of treating scars and stretch marks in the long-term. They did mention that hypetrophic and huge scars might need more research/time before they get a proper treatment, but the optimism is still there...guess when a giant like allergan buys a company for hundreds of millions of dollars, there's a good reason behind it.
Cheers fellas, life is good !
What is the source of this?
23 hours ago, Armanilko said:BIG NEWS REGARDING STRETCH MARKS AND ACNE SCARS (Elastagen)
Apparently allergan and elastagen will publish scientific papers at the end of the year which will report how efficient the product is for treating stretch marks AND acne scars. So normally it's gonna happen during Q4 thi year, worst case scenario is Q1 next year.
This kinda confirms that it should only take a couple years before it's out.
Also, as a positive net, I remember reading someone's comment about them (the elastagen staff) being quite optimistic with how good it would be for stretch marks...well apparently nothing changed in that regard.
TLDR: be patient, we'll know more about that very soon.
nb: @Skin Pessimist 's remarks about micro coring seem to be very valid, as I've asked several dermatologists (the few I could found who are aware about both elastagen and micro coring) and according to them, tropoelastin is a much, much more promising way of treating scars and stretch marks in the long-term. They did mention that hypetrophic and huge scars might need more research/time before they get a proper treatment, but the optimism is still there...guess when a giant like allergan buys a company for hundreds of millions of dollars, there's a good reason behind it.
Cheers fellas, life is good !
Does that mean micro coring doesnt work well with this?
5 hours ago, Didikaxonim said:Does that mean micro coring doesnt work well with this?
Not necessarily. Tropoelastin filler will undoubtedly have faster results at plumping scars up because that's just how fillers work. That of course will be more appealing to doctors and patients as you have an immediate result. But who knows how long you retain 80-90% improvement with it? Compare that to microcoring wheredepending on the severity ofyour scarsit could take 3 to 5 years of treatments to get that 80-90%. Howeverthose results will be permanent. There are pros and cons to both. We really won't knowthe answers until the trial results are published.
2 hours ago, BeneficialCell said:Not necessarily. Tropoelastin filler will undoubtedly have faster results at plumping scars up because that's just how fillers work. That of course will be more appealing to doctors and patients as you have an immediate result. But who knows how long you retain 80-90% improvement with it? Compare that to microcoring wheredepending on the severity ofyour scarsit could take 3 to 5 years of treatments to get that 80-90%. Howeverthose results will be permanent. There are pros and cons to both. We really won't knowthe answers until the trial results are published.
Personally I'd prefer the microcoring route, in as much as the scar is being removed physically, and as we all know technology gets streamlined further down the line, so who knows? Maybe there'll be a way to core out a greater amount in the future as the patents for crytellis also site multiple core arrays.
3 hours ago, BeneficialCell said:Not necessarily. Tropoelastin filler will undoubtedly have faster results at plumping scars up because that's just how fillers work. That of course will be more appealing to doctors and patients as you have an immediate result. But who knows how long you retain 80-90% improvement with it? Compare that to microcoring wheredepending on the severity ofyour scarsit could take 3 to 5 years of treatments to get that 80-90%. Howeverthose results will be permanent. There are pros and cons to both. We really won't knowthe answers until the trial results are published.
I haven't seen anything that indicates that Elastagen is a temporary filler. We'll see though. I'm not getting my hopes up in general
17 hours ago, BeneficialCell said:Not necessarily. Tropoelastin filler will undoubtedly have faster results at plumping scars up because that's just how fillers work. That of course will be more appealing to doctors and patients as you have an immediate result. But who knows how long you retain 80-90% improvement with it? Compare that to microcoring wheredepending on the severity ofyour scarsit could take 3 to 5 years of treatments to get that 80-90%. Howeverthose results will be permanent. There are pros and cons to both. We really won't knowthe answers until the trial results are published.
Elastagen is not a band-aid treatment, it's definitive: it's a synthethic 3D skin replacement for atrophic lesions, which stimulates elastine reproduction. It's not to be compared with fractional radiofrequency which, for example, simply tries to tighten the skin, it's a bio-engineered skin substitute
On 7/21/2020 at 9:30 AM, Armanilko said:Elastagen is not a band-aid treatment, it's definitive: it's a synthethic 3D skin replacement for atrophic lesions, which stimulates elastine reproduction. It's not to be compared with fractional radiofrequency which, for example, simply tries to tighten the skin, it's a bio-engineered skin substitute
I don't really understand what elastagen is supposed to do, on checking I'm getting info that it can be in an injectable or physical form to be put in a treated area, my questions are on if it will regenerate normal skin with hair and pores with the skins natural taut elastic texture if placed on a treated area to heal and if there will be no visible scarring from such a procedure. And for the injectable form I'd like to know if that is just meant to plump up a sunken scar and add elasticity only or if it can actually remodel scar tissue into normal looking skin. Anything you understand about it would be greatly appreciated as the atrophic scars I have are just 2 box scars that I've grown to like and only wish to remove the flat discoloured scald scar on my face, thanks.
3 hours ago, David4bay said:I don't really understand what elastagen is supposed to do, on checking I'm getting info that it can be in an injectable or physical form to be put in a treated area, my questions are on if it will regenerate normal skin with hair and pores with the skins natural taut elastic texture if placed on a treated area to heal and if there will be no visible scarring from such a procedure. And for the injectable form I'd like to know if that is just meant to plump up a sunken scar and add elasticity only or if it can actually remodel scar tissue into normal looking skin. Anything you understand about it would be greatly appreciated as the atrophic scars I have are just 2 box scars that I've grown to like and only wish to remove the flat discoloured scald scar on my face, thanks.
Is there any news about micro coring?
On 7/21/2020 at 1:30 PM, Armanilko said:Elastagen is not a band-aid treatment, it's definitive: it's a synthethic 3D skin replacement for atrophic lesions, which stimulates elastine reproduction. It's not to be compared with fractional radiofrequency which, for example, simply tries to tighten the skin, it's a bio-engineered skin substitute
Is there any news about micro coring?
17 hours ago, David4bay said:I don't really understand what elastagen is supposed to do, on checking I'm getting info that it can be in an injectable or physical form to be put in a treated area, my questions are on if it will regenerate normal skin with hair and pores with the skins natural taut elastic texture if placed on a treated area to heal and if there will be no visible scarring from such a procedure. And for the injectable form I'd like to know if that is just meant to plump up a sunken scar and add elasticity only or if it can actually remodel scar tissue into normal looking skin. Anything you understand about it would be greatly appreciated as the atrophic scars I have are just 2 box scars that I've grown to like and only wish to remove the flat discoloured scald scar on my face, thanks.
https://go8.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Allies-In-Excellence.pdf
Go to page 18, all your questions are answered there. And here's probably the most interesting quote:
"With sheets of Tropoelastin laid on the damaged site, a synthetic skin forms. According to Professor Weiss it halves skin repair time, with resulting eco-nomic benefits for both patient and health system. It allows a patients own blood vessels and cells to grow through it, becoming a soft flexible replace-ment skin that can sweat, and have hair follicles re-grow. It significantly minimises or removes scarring"
4 hours ago, Armanilko said:https://go8.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Allies-In-Excellence.pdf
Go to page 18, all your questions are answered there. And here's probably the most interesting quote:
"With sheets of Tropoelastin laid on the damaged site, a synthetic skin forms. According to Professor Weiss it halves skin repair time, with resulting eco-nomic benefits for both patient and health system. It allows a patients own blood vessels and cells to grow through it, becoming a soft flexible replace-ment skin that can sweat, and have hair follicles re-grow. It significantly minimises or removes scarring"
Sounds like some sci-fi... I knew only about 3 injectable gels from interview with Elastagen's ceo
Still injectable sounds very confusing to me, because the scar tissue needs to be removed anyway. It turns out that the application of the injactable should be together with some accompanying actions ...
7 minutes ago, gantz said:Sounds like some sci-fi... I knew only about 3 injectable gels from interview with Elastagen's ceo
Still injectable sounds very confusing to me, because the scar tissue needs to be removed anyway. It turns out that the application of the injactable should be together with some accompanying actions ...
Which is why the focus for elastahe, right now is on atrophic scars (and stretch marks are part of that category) and not hypertrophic scars: filling a a zone devoid of skin with synthethic skin in order to repair its surface. This is something people have been mentioning several times before here.
There's a reason why the product is in allergan's pipeline right now, and that we're getting scientific papers on stretch marks and acne scars at the end of the year, but not hypertrophic scars.
If you're part of the latter category, Anthony Weiss and Rob daniels said it would take a few more years for them to find an application to that, but that they're getting there, so be patient.
Thanks so much Armanilko for the info...the scald scar on my chin is flat and discoloured with pores(yes pores) growing a bit of hair next to beard, with this info I was thinking of maybe a laser dermabrasion + elastagen graft/filler may make the area heal properly(as I can still see sebacious filaments under the scar).
The nature of my scar is the prime reason I'm leaning on to microcoring as against elastagen as I want the skin that epitheliases to retain the hairs, pores and sebacious filaments whilst solving the out of place scar appearance scar tissue has.
Funny enough I have ice pick and 2 box scars but outside of my teenage years they've never bothered me, only the scald accident that burned off a dime size of skin on my chin below my left lower lip bothers me.
Either way the future does look great and I'd be keeping an eye on these two procedures, I'd imagine tripoelastin serums may even start being used with microneedling on scars like mine to slowly erase scarring substantially if not completely with microcoring.
Expectations in check though, thanks.
14 hours ago, Armanilko said:Which is why the focus for elastahe, right now is on atrophic scars (and stretch marks are part of that category) and not hypertrophic scars: filling a a zone devoid of skin with synthethic skin in order to repair its surface. This is something people have been mentioning several times before here.
There's a reason why the product is in allergan's pipeline right now, and that we're getting scientific papers on stretch marks and acne scars at the end of the year, but not hypertrophic scars.
If you're part of the latter category, Anthony Weiss and Rob daniels said it would take a few more years for them to find an application to that, but that they're getting there, so be patient.
Does elastagen produce new skin?
19 hours ago, Armanilko said:https://go8.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Allies-In-Excellence.pdf
Go to page 18, all your questions are answered there. And here's probably the most interesting quote:
"With sheets of Tropoelastin laid on the damaged site, a synthetic skin forms. According to Professor Weiss it halves skin repair time, with resulting eco-nomic benefits for both patient and health system. It allows a patients own blood vessels and cells to grow through it, becoming a soft flexible replace-ment skin that can sweat, and have hair follicles re-grow. It significantly minimises or removes scarring"
Sounds like sci - fi , so when we can have all our scarring removed by this new technology ? 🙂
4 hours ago, Miro said:Sounds like sci - fi , so when we can have all our scarring removed by this new technology ? 🙂
For stretch marks and acne scars (not icepick acne scars mind you), it's anywhere between 1-4 years apparently. I don't know more than that.
My bet is something like 2 years since we're getting the publication of the clinical studies at the end of the year and their product is in allergan's pipeline, but my guess is as good as yours honestly, it's just speculation.