On 3/8/2020 at 1:06 AM, goblue1996 said:

Looks like there is a reddit discussion going on about elastagen right now:

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One of the people who responded linked the patent for the technology:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190062405A1/en

It's a long read with a bunch of repetitive science jargon. But it sort of explains how the tropoelastin helps wound healing and there's some early study results in pig models in there. Kinda interesting if anyone want more information on the product.

The Reddit discussiondoesn't look informative, justa fewrandom people goingat each other. Elastagen has been around way before 2016 when it was finally bought by Allergan. My question to you is the following: are you a spokesperson for the company?

On 3/8/2020 at 3:04 AM, ecek said:

do you guys know is the elastagen applicable on tattooed skin ?

I never really understood people that get tattoos. They spend large sums to get them and then waste a lifetime to remove them. Why get inked in the first place?

4 hours ago, MyBeautifulScars said:

The Reddit discussiondoesn't look informative, justa fewrandom people goingat each other. Elastagen has been around way before 2016 when it was finally bought by Allergan. My question to you is the following: are you a spokesperson for the company?

I never really understood people that get tattoos. They spend large sums to get them and then waste a lifetime to remove them. Why get inked in the first place?

I want to skin color match tattooed my stretch marks and armlift scar. thats why. Also I am not a spokesperson for the company. I just want to get the treatment

3 hours ago, MyBeautifulScars said:

The Reddit discussiondoesn't look informative, justa fewrandom people goingat each other. Elastagen has been around way before 2016 when it was finally bought by Allergan. My question to you is the following: are you a spokesperson for the company?

I never really understood people that get tattoos. They spend large sums to get them and then waste a lifetime to remove them. Why get inked in the first place?

Not a spokesperson justsaw the thread and figured I link it.I was hoping it would be a better discussion but it never really amounted to anything.

Any new news guys?

9 hours ago, AlexZ77 said:

Any new news guys?

Real news are not gonna be there before a couple years I'm afraid.

If you're interested, I did receive a message from the ceo of Elastagen recently(via linkedin), who was kind enough to give me a few minutes of his time, and where he tells me, after I've discussed my stretch marks "problems" with him, that he can't disclose confidential information since they were acquired by Allergan (which is completely normal, obviously).

He did give me some advice though:

"Hi ****, Thanks for the explanation. Please do keep an eye on Allergan. There should be a publication of clinical studies which will be made ahead of any product launch. You'll then be able to judge for yourself, or discuss with your doctor, whether the product and treatment is something that could be of interest to you. Best wishes,"

I doubt anyone who's not in the industry could get any better answer than that for now. The same thing applies to scars and acne scars obviously, so if you guys wanna find out what will happen in the near future, just follow Allergan.

28 minutes ago, lehran said:

Real news are not gonna be there before a couple years I'm afraid.

If you're interested, I did receive a message from the ceo of Elastagen recently(via linkedin), who was kind enough to give me a few minutes of his time, and where he tells me, after I've discussed my stretch marks "problems" with him, that he can't disclose confidential information since they were acquired by Allergan (which is completely normal, obviously).

He did give me some advice though:

 

"Hi ****, Thanks for the explanation. Please do keep an eye on Allergan. There should be a publication of clinical studies which will be made ahead of any product launch. You'll then be able to judge for yourself, or discuss with your doctor, whether the product and treatment is something that could be of interest to you. Best wishes,"

I doubt anyone who's not in the industry could get any better answer than that for now. The same thing applies to scars and acne scars obviously, so if you guys wanna find out what will happen in the near future, just follow Allergan.

Not interested in any % improvement treatments, just scarless healing

2 minutes ago, AlexZ77 said:

Not interested in any % improvement treatments, just scarless healing

Then you might have to wait 10 years, 20 years or more friend, good luck.

I don't understand why people wouldn't want a skin condition to be ameliorated by 90% honestly, but whatever.

2 hours ago, lehran said:

Real news are not gonna be there before a couple years I'm afraid.

If you're interested, I did receive a message from the ceo of Elastagen recently(via linkedin), who was kind enough to give me a few minutes of his time, and where he tells me, after I've discussed my stretch marks "problems" with him, that he can't disclose confidential information since they were acquired by Allergan (which is completely normal, obviously).

He did give me some advice though:

 

"Hi ****, Thanks for the explanation. Please do keep an eye on Allergan. There should be a publication of clinical studies which will be made ahead of any product launch. You'll then be able to judge for yourself, or discuss with your doctor, whether the product and treatment is something that could be of interest to you. Best wishes,"

I doubt anyone who's not in the industry could get any better answer than that for now. The same thing applies to scars and acne scars obviously, so if you guys wanna find out what will happen in the near future, just follow Allergan.

Ughh I understand that he has to say that stuff but I just wish I could get a concise answer of when it will likely launch and how well it will work lol. Back to the waiting game I guess

I've had this for two days already, is this herpes???

1 hour ago, GLO0XING2 said:

I've had this for two days already, is this herpes???

Post it other part of forum, this is for scarless healing, we cant help you

8 hours ago, GLO0XING2 said:

 

This section of the forum is about scars (scarless healing) , stretch marks and acne scars and the future treatments which will allow us to get rid of them, you're not in the right place, try to read next time thank you.

12 hours ago, lehran said:

Then you might have to wait 10 years, 20 years or more friend, good luck.

I don't understand why people wouldn't want a skin condition to be ameliorated by 90% honestly, but whatever.

And you know this how exactly ?

20 years ? who is this Nostradamus ?

This decade it will occur.

2 hours ago, Scarcure said:

And you know this how exactly ?

 

20 years ? who is this Nostradamus ?

 

This decade it will occur.

Keyword here: "might". I said you MIGHT have to wait 10 or 20 years, no one knows. Nostradamus didn't talk about possibilities.

However (and I'm quoting your last answer here), saying something like "This decade it will occur" is much more Nostradamus-like, I"m sure you will agree ;-).

Seriously though: I understand that you're desperate to completely get rid of your scars, but stop saying stuff like "this is going to happen this decade 100%", NO ONE knows if this is going to be the case. We are definitely going to get life changing products in the near future, but always manage your expectations.

12 hours ago, goblue1996 said:

Ughh I understand that he has to say that stuff but I just wish I could get a concise answer of when it will likely launch and how well it will work lol. Back to the waiting game I guess

I've been trying things left and right to get something, it's super tough. It would have been easier if Elastagen was still an independant entity...so yeah, we're not going to get anything before they're ready to launch the product and start to massively advertise it. Imo this stuff is going to be more popular than botox, so they're doing everything to avoid leaks.

However, you also have to understand that this is good news: this is the final process. The fact that they're now working with Allergan on an injectable solution of tropoelastin-based synthethic skin means that we just have to wait. There's no "will it happen?" anymore, it's just about "when?". And you probably noticed that the majority of clinical trial companies out there tend to fail way before they manage to create anything for various reasons.

2 hours ago, lehran said:

Keyword here: "might". I said you MIGHT have to wait 10 or 20 years, no one knows. Nostradamus didn't talk about possibilities.

However (and I'm quoting your last answer here), saying something like "This decade it will occur" is much more Nostradamus-like, I"m sure you will agree ;-).

Seriously though: I understand that you're desperate to completely get rid of your scars, but stop saying stuff like "this is going to happen this decade 100%", NO ONE knows if this is going to be the case. We are definitely going to get life changing products in the near future, but always manage your expectations.

I've been trying things left and right to get something, it's super tough. It would have been easier if Elastagen was still an independant entity...so yeah, we're not going to get anything before they're ready to launch the product and start to massively advertise it. Imo this stuff is going to be more popular than botox, so they're doing everything to avoid leaks.

However, you also have to understand that this is good news: this is the final process. The fact that they're now working with Allergan on an injectable solution of tropoelastin-based synthethic skin means that we just have to wait. There's no "will it happen?" anymore, it's just about "when?". And you probably noticed that the majority of clinical trial companies out there tend to fail way before they manage to create anything for various reasons.

I really don't care much for your patronizing tone pal ... also if you really think %90 ( 90 percent may be impressive , but what about the oil glands , sweat glands , hair follicies etc ) we as a species are always looking for more , so yeah you say %90 is enough , buti don't think it will.

28 minutes ago, Scarcure said:

I really don't care much for your patronizing tone pal ... also if you really think %90 ( 90 percent may be impressive , but what about the oil glands , sweat glands , hair follicies etc ) we as a species are always looking for more , so yeah you say %90 is enough , buti don't think it will.

 

 

I am not patronizing you, I'm simply saying that you're the one who's acting like Nostradamus with this whole "it's gonna happen this decade" thing. I'm merely talking about possibilities: I could have said 5,7,9 years or whatever, we just don't know when " scarless healing is going to happen.

Now, about the oil glands, sweat glands, hair follicles etc...I'd advise you to read this, page 18 ( https://go8.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Allies-In-Excellence.pdf ), as you can see it's already something that's taken care of.

Also, this "perfect" or "imperfect" stuff is starting to make no sense at all. No one even understands what a percentage means in this situation: is it the color, the size of the scar? Its length ,depth yada yada yada. That's why I wrote this some time ago :

"You guys are relying way too much on numbers, that's not how you should look at it:

This might be great but remember some of people have hyperthrophiv scars and keloids and it wont do shit for them, so a real scarless product is more awaited

59 minutes ago, AlexZ77 said:

This might be great but remember some of people have hyperthrophiv scars and keloids and it wont do shit for them, so a real scarless product is more awaited

I think he and other people mentioned before that elastagen is a breakthrough for atrophic scars, not hypertrophic scars. It's obviously much harder to deal with keloid scars than stretch marks obviously.

So why are we even taking about this ? xD if this treats only one kind of scarring and its not even perfect at that

17 hours ago, lehran said:

I am not patronizing you, I'm simply saying that you're the one who's acting like Nostradamus with this whole "it's gonna happen this decade" thing. I'm merely talking about possibilities: I could have said 5,7,9 years or whatever, we just don't know when " scarless healing is going to happen.

 

Now, about the oil glands, sweat glands, hair follicles etc...I'd advise you to read this, page 18 ( https://go8.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Allies-In-Excellence.pdf ), as you can see it's already something that's taken care of.

Also, this "perfect" or "imperfect" stuff is starting to make no sense at all. No one even understands what a percentage means in this situation: is it the color, the size of the scar? Its length ,depth yada yada yada. That's why I wrote this some time ago :

 

 

"You guys are relying way too much on numbers, that's not how you should look at it:

is the reduction going to be the same from one technique to the other? No, not at all. Some techniques involve tissue regeneration, some involve skin tightening yada yada yada...and the results will vary a lot from one technique to the other.

For instance (yes, elastagen again, sorry), for atrophic scars, acne scars and stretch marks tropoelastin skin implants would be about the "depression volume", since you're filling the skin lesions with synthetic skin. What it would mean in that case, is that if the treatment works, the synthethic skin will fill the lesion up to 80-90%. So essentially the void left will be drastically repaired, and instead of the alien scarring tissue look, you'll have the original skin look back, but the void won't be 100% filled, but 80-90%;

Do you get the difference? It does't mean that the overall look will be 80-90% better in this case, it means that the void left by atrophic scars won't be 100% filled by new skin. The truth is that it's going to be significantly difficult for anyone, including yourself, to notice a difference anymore.

You can't compare the current technics for skin lesions, which don't regenerate shit for the most part, to future ones. The main thing that was lacking so far was to obtain proper tissue regeneration was elastogenesis (re-creation of elastin fibers), and we're getting there.

So, again, this isn't a 80-90% improvement based on the current standars, but on the new ones.

NB: I'm not making up anything, this is basically how it works."

 

 

See what I mean? You ARE going to get healthy looking skin again, there might just be a very slight depression, very hard to notice even up close. Let's say your atrophic scars, whatever they are, are something like 3 millimeters deep, you do the math.

 

Well , ok am optimistic if this product does regenerate sweat , oil glands and hair follicies ..... and 90% is impressive .... if it's this early that such improvements exist then why are you not more optimistic about how scar free healing will be a reality within this decade ? seems as likely as ever.

Also i do appreciate the links you sent me , thank you :).

1 hour ago, Scarcure said:

Well , ok am optimistic if this product does regenerate sweat , oil glands and hair follicies ..... and 90% is impressive .... if it's this early that such improvements exist then why are you not more optimistic about how scar free healing will be a reality within this decade ? seems as likely as ever.

 

Also i do appreciate the links you sent me , thank you :).

You're welcome, I did a lot of research and talked to a lot of people, so I enjoy sharing what I could find with you guys.

I'm not saying scarless healing won't happen this decade I'm simply saying that it's unknown territory. The difference between a tremendously important improvement and near perfection is huge, in the sense that it gets harder and harder to reach this state as you get near it.

I should have probably linked you that document sooner though, as wanting to know if synthetic skin can reproduce the exact same functions as normal skin is quite logical.

9 hours ago, AlexZ77 said:

So why are we even taking about this ? xD if this treats only one kind of scarring and its not even perfect at that

1/ Because it's the answer to people who have atrophic scars, acne scars and stretch marks, which are the most common, and yet unanswered, kinds of scarring out there.

2/Different kinds of scarring would obviously have different treatment protocols wouldn't you think? Excessive (hypertrophic) scar tissue and lack of proper skin tissue are totally different things. Sounds like you're asking for one way to treat everything, which doesn't make sense in a scientific approach.

3/They actually want to treat all types of scars in the future, more work will be needed for the most serious kinds of scars. There's a soundcloud link where Tony Weiss explains that (at the bottom of the page I'm linking you https://www.atse.org.au/programs-and-awards/clunies-ross-awards/clunies-ross-awards-2019/ ), it's a long interview but it's worth listening to. There's also a short video where he talks about his product.)

Apart from that Idk what to tell you, and I'm not even sure why you're complaining.

1 hour ago, lehran said:

You're welcome, I did a lot of research and talked to a lot of people, so I enjoy sharing what I could find with you guys.

I'm not saying scarless healing won't happen this decade I'm simply saying that it's unknown territory. The difference between a tremendously important improvement and near perfection is huge, in the sense that it gets harder and harder to reach this state as you get near it.

I should have probably linked you that document sooner though, as wanting to know if synthetic skin can reproduce the exact same functions as normal skin is quite logical.

1/ Because it's the answer to people who have atrophic scars, acne scars and stretch marks, which are the most common, and yet unanswered, kinds of scarring out there.

2/Different kinds of scarring would obviously have different treatment protocols wouldn't you think? Excessive (hypertrophic) scar tissue and lack of proper skin tissue are totally different things. Sounds like you're asking for one way to treat everything, which doesn't make sense in a scientific approach.

3/They actually want to treat all types of scars in the future, more work will be needed for the most serious kinds of scars. There's a soundcloud link where Tony Weiss explains that (at the bottom of the page I'm linking you https://www.atse.org.au/programs-and-awards/clunies-ross-awards/clunies-ross-awards-2019/ ), it's a long interview but it's worth listening to. There's also a short video where he talks about his product.)

Apart from that Idk what to tell you, and I'm not even sure why you're complaining.

 

Dude, someone has to say it: thanks for all the links and stuff you've shared with us so far. I mean it really looks like you've done a lot of research in your spare time, with facts and all and I can't really help but being excited for the future with all this.

On 3/17/2020 at 2:53 PM, Mirage Aesthetic said:

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No ads here, I reported your post

i think homeopathy can dissolve scar tissue

look at this study

https://www.oatext.com/resolution-of-post-burn-hypo-pigmentation-and-scar-by-homeopathic-medicines.php

11 hours ago, Anish004 said:

i think homeopathy can dissolve scar tissue

look at this study

https://www.oatext.com/resolution-of-post-burn-hypo-pigmentation-and-scar-by-homeopathic-medicines.php

No, homeopathy doesn't do shit for scar tissue. If it did, we'd know it already. Thank you.

Whats the news on microcoring?!