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16 hours ago, Skin Pessimist said:I honestly don't get why people act like any human creation is bad for your health. Just because something isn't organic/"natural" doesn't mean it is bad for you. Natural products aren't the solution to our problems. In fact, many natural substances and remedies are complete hogwash without any sort of scientific evidence. There are some exceptions of course, but you get the gist.
Something penetrating the dermis isn't necessarily a bad thing. These sort of products go through clinical testing to ensure their safety. If a new innovation removes or lessens acne scars without severe consequences, then it's something many of us will be excited about. Are scars the worst issue in the world? No. There are many people dealing with much worse things. That doesn't change the reality that human appearance impacts people's perception of you, social outcomes, self esteem, and even quality of life.
I think it's still a good question for a lot of people. I couldn't care less about having synthethic skin instead of "real skin" as long as the material is basically exactly the same and it's not dangerous. I only care about getting back the smooth skin I had before I got stretch marks, like other people do. BUT it is something to take into account for some people. Scars can actually make you feel proud of something sometimes.
One question though: you mentioned people's perception of you depending on your scars. I suppose you mostly mean facial scars rather than body scars right? Because no one will see your skin in the vast majority of your social life (except your sex life), and everyone has scars of some sort on their body.
7 hours ago, Valkyros said:I think it's still a good question for a lot of people. I couldn't care less about having synthethic skin instead of "real skin" as long as the material is basically exactly the same and it's not dangerous. I only care about getting back the smooth skin I had before I got stretch marks, like other people do. BUT it is something to take into account for some people. Scars can actually make you feel proud of something sometimes.
One question though: you mentioned people's perception of you depending on your scars. I suppose you mostly mean facial scars rather than body scars right? Because no one will see your skin in the vast majority of your social life (except your sex life), and everyone has scars of some sort on their body.
Yes, facial acne scars. If someone is proud of their acne scars, I congratulate them. Given the nature of this forum and this thread in particular, most people don't fit into that category
12 hours ago, Lapis lazuli said:Really looking forward to more news from Sunogel.
I really think it's a promising treatment!
Don't want to be the party pooper, but there's been literally no positive sign that sunogel will bring anything to the table: no big investors working with them, no scientists recognized by their peers, no real theory as to how they'r going to procede, 0 news since years, barely any information available.
like, the only thing we know about sunogel is that it''s about pro-regenerative hydrogel, but there are no patents, no viable published results so far, and so on...
Don't count on it too much, most clinical trial companies end up being disappointments.
If you're interested in proper tissue regeneration/scar healing companies, the only really promising companies so far seem to be elastagen (tropoelastin) or direct biologics (exosomes), for all the reasons that were mentioned beforehand.
50 minutes ago, AlexZ77 said:Ye lehran chill put bro, any of these treatments could cause a evolution in skin regeneration, Sunogel might take it a bit longer but its definitely not the next shity SkinTE company
if sunogel wont relase anything new within the next 2 years then we can be sure
I mean, I don't really care who does it as long as it works, it really doesn't matter in general. So if sunogel does it, hell I'll be a happy man as well.
I would like to see some results from elastagen themselves when it comes to stretch marks though, you know, just to be reassured. Sure, the whole concept makes a lot of sense (stimulating elastogenesis and filling the void with synthetic skin in order to restore the skin's overall look and smoothness), but a few pictures would go a long way.
Hey guys, I'm mostly interested in a treatment for stretch marks. I've read everything so far, and If I understood properly, it's either elastagen or direct biologics right? I've found tons of things on elastagen, but nothing about the other one: could anyone give me more details? Thanks.
Elastagen (Tropoelastin) has come from the clouds and making some noise. Any photos? Any estimated timelines?
On 2/29/2020 at 10:57 AM, AlexZ77 said:Guys any news on microcoring on other treatments?
I spoke to the lady who is leading Microcoring in late October 2019. I asked some specific questions about its use for acne scars and how it can properly target only damaged scar tissue for acne scars and so on. She said she couldn't give much away atm because their product is in developmentbut said to stay tuned as they plan ongoing to market this year.
In my personal experience, mechanical devices have given the best improvements so Im really looking forward to seeing what Microcoring can do. And its on the horizon, the same cant be said for anything else discussed here.
18 minutes ago, Skin Pessimist said:Elastagen seems like the most promising option, but who knows how effective it truly is. Even if it works, it will be years before its available and the price might be insane
Very fair point. In fact, the few surgeons/dermatologists who are partnering with them already told me that it would take 2-3 years before the product is out, so you're right about that. They say, based on what they saw, that it works wonderfully well for stretch marks, but I'll believe it when I see it as well.
As for the price, I'm afraid you're going to be right as well: it's going to be very expensive at first (several thousand of dollars prob), and it will only become more accessible later on.
Also, it's not gonna work the same way for everything based on what we found: it apparently works very well for normal stretch marks (0.1-0.6cm large and 5-15 cm long) and atrophic scars, but it's not the solution for hypertrophic scars and big, massive skin lesions.
13 minutes ago, lehran said:Very fair point. In fact, the few surgeons/dermatologists who are partnering with them already told me that it would take 2-3 years before the product is out, so you're right about that. They say, based on what they saw, that it works wonderfully well for stretch marks, but I'll believe it when I see it as well.
As for the price, I'm afraid you're going to be right as well: it's going to be very expensive at first (several thousand of dollars prob), and it will only become more accessible later on.
Also, it's not gonna work the same way for everything based on what we found: it apparently works very well for normal stretch marks (0.1-0.6cm large and 5-15 cm long) and atrophic scars, but it's not the solution for hypertrophic scars and big, massive skin lesions.
My question is how well it works for depressed scars with noticeable loss of volume. The scars that annoy me most are the ones on my cheekbones. My cheekbones are relatively prominent, making the volume loss of the rolling and boxcar scars quite noticeable. I dislike the ice pick scars, but I don't care as much about them. Boxcar and rolling scars can really ruin facial symmetry and volume sometimes.
My main concern is the price. The wait of a few years is annoying, but I'll still be relatively young. If the price is super crazy, I may not be able to afford it for a long, long time.
3 minutes ago, Skin Pessimist said:My question is how well it works for depressed scars with noticeable loss of volume. The scars that annoy me most are the ones on my cheekbones. My cheekbones are relatively prominent, making the volume loss of the rolling and boxcar scars quite noticeable. I dislike the ice pick scars, but I don't care as much about them. Boxcar and rolling scars can really ruin facial symmetry and volume sometimes.
My main concern is the price. The wait of a few years is annoying, but I'll still be relatively young. If the price is super crazy, I may not be able to afford it for a long, long time.
Main concern is the price as well. If you're something like 20-40 years old, it's good, as you'll indeed still be relatively young to enjoy stuff (especially with how drastically longer life will be in the future with biotechnology).
I'm not quite sure about your scars tbh, it really depends how depressed they are.
8 hours ago, AlexZ77 said:The only thing that would get rid of stretch marks is some kind of scarless healing, and we need probably 10 years for that if not more. Microcoring is the nearest possbile treatment rn
When you say "getting rid of stretch marks" you mean 100% I assume? Because if I could reduce their volume by something like 80-90%, it would be good enough for me not to care about them anymore frankly. Ya think elastagen will be able to do that?
13 hours ago, voulzeyes said:When you say "getting rid of stretch marks" you mean 100% I assume? Because if I could reduce their volume by something like 80-90%, it would be good enough for me not to care about them anymore frankly. Ya think elastagen will be able to do that?
Yeah its possible that elastagen will do that but lets be real most people here if not all wont be satisfied until they get 100% improvement
On 3/1/2020 at 1:19 PM, lehran said:Don't want to be the party pooper, but there's been literally no positive sign that sunogel will bring anything to the table: no big investors working with them, no scientists recognized by their peers, no real theory as to how they'r going to procede, 0 news since years, barely any information available.
like, the only thing we know about sunogel is that it''s about pro-regenerative hydrogel, but there are no patents, no viable published results so far, and so on...
Don't count on it too much, most clinical trial companies end up being disappointments.
If you're interested in proper tissue regeneration/scar healing companies, the only really promising companies so far seem to be elastagen (tropoelastin) or direct biologics (exosomes), for all the reasons that were mentioned beforehand.
Sunogel's been working on it for ten years it says on their website where they also say that they've actually achieved full skin restoration in their pre-clinical phase. If they're lying then that's psychopathic/sociopathic/whatever which isn't outside of the realm of possibility but I don't think they're frauds.
Maybe some of things you brought up are bad signs but I'm still interested in them. Of course you've gotta avoid getting too excited too soon. That's true but I've seen Mr. Sun in a video where he addressed an audience and he really didn't seem to be talking out of his ass.
9 hours ago, AlexZ77 said:Yeah its possible that elastagen will do that but lets be real most people here if not all wont be satisfied until they get 100% improvement
Alright, got Ya. I don't know though, like for stuff like big hypertrophic scars I would totally want something like a 100% treatment because they are very visible, but stretch marks are often relatively discrete once they faded. Imo 80-90% diminution would probably be enough for me.
55 minutes ago, Scarcure said:I had enough with this 70% to 90% improvement talk , we want complete regeneration ....
and let's say you have to wait 20 years for your scars/stretch marks/acne scars to get 100% deleted? You have the option to get a 80-90% reduction in a couple years but you won't because it's not 100%? This doesn't make any sense does it...
I had my scars reducted by like 40% by 7 treatments with co2+prp and its great and all but I would personally never do them again. Most people had some kind of improvement here but we just understood that its not worth the time. I wont get any treatment done unless it will give me perfect scarless skin and I feel others here also think alike