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2 hours ago, De Rerum Natura said:This can remove full thickness skin without creating more scar tissue, it means that is has the capability of remove full thickness scarred skin making the skin shrink and diminishing its size. Following that logic, with several sessions u can literally shrink the scar tissue to the point of the health skin surround all area that was previously scarred, resulting in a scarless healing. I would say, thats not the scarless healing approach people was expecting, thats more of a mechanical way to force healthy skin to force scarless healing by shrinking thus filling holes created by micro-coring.
Scar revision is a old method already where they manually remove the entire scar tissue in the area or use a punch excision to remove the scarred area. That would be a functional cure right? No, because the stress caused by those methods, create another scar, the premisse of this is creating a scaraesthetically more pleasant than the older.
Micro coring is basically very very small diameter excisionpunch, way smaller than the ones that are used today for scar revision, the size of the hole caused by itis not big enough to stress the skin to the point of creating scar, but is not big enough either to remove a entire scar tissue in almost all cases, thus, the need of several procedures.
I have seen the before and after pics of some patients who under microcoring, while there are results it doesn't seem scarless.
22 minutes ago, AI3forever said:I have seen the before and after pics of some patients who under microcoring, while there are results it doesn't seem scarless.
Hey guys, you only discuss micro-coring here which is not the answer for scarless healing. What do you thinkabout other options in the future ?
https://practicaldermatology.com/news/scaravoid-may-offer-a-new-approach-to-wound-healing
https://www.medica-tradefair.com/en/News/Archive/Targeting_scar-free_wound_healing
On 9/28/2019 at 5:34 AM, Scarcure said:Why 30 years ? could be 5 years ? 10 years .... you can't just make an assumption like that without bases , i was told from the Scarless healing foundation in the UK that in 5 years a breakthrough will occur , maybe it will , maybe it's won't .... but don't just make a blanket assumption like that it's not helpful for any of us.
Dude....nobody knows for sure when a breakthrough will occur. It is like fusion reactors are only right around the corner.
2 minutes ago, nikki_gargin said:What about it didnt seem scarless?
Beware...after pics are when the skin is still swelled up!
9 hours ago, nikkigirl said:Dude....nobody knows for sure when a breakthrough will occur. It is like fusion reactors are only right around the corner.
Beware...after pics are when the skin is still swelled up!
I wouldn't equate scarless healing with fusion reactors coming round the corner , but i get your frustration , but you can't think like that , we are close.
Swollen At 180 days?? I dont think so. The hole closesin 4 days completely and dressing is off,so how it can be swollen to at 6 months? Also how would swelling hide scaring?
11 hours ago, tweet_007 said:Hey guys, you only discuss micro-coring here which is not the answer for scarless healing. What do you thinkabout other options in the future ?
https://practicaldermatology.com/news/scaravoid-may-offer-a-new-approach-to-wound-healing
https://www.medica-tradefair.com/en/News/Archive/Targeting_scar-free_wound_healing
To avoid scars yeh but what if you already have them?
One thing that people should consider is that, hyperpigmentation and redness will be present in almost ALL cases following the several months, this could give impression of scarring.
Other thing is manipulating the wound, primaryintention closure is always more desirable than second intention, but, with micro-coring, papers show that second intention closures healed without scarring too.
3 hours ago, Scarcure said:This Microcoring sounds great , however would it be applicable for scarring on the nose ? because the skin on the nose is much thinner ? don't know if my question makes any sense.
I see what you mean but no one will here will know that. You will need a consult when its available x
9 hours ago, Scarcure said:Ok .... may work hopefully , thank you xx , if anyone does contract Cytrellis , can someone mention nose scarring also ?
i have 4 scars on nose and they are deep...i also want to know that....however from what i think that its thin there but anatomy is same...ie epidermis dermis and hypodermis so it should work
13 hours ago, AI3forever said:Well their pores and wrinkles didn't disappear. So what more about those crater-like acne scars?
Scars dont have pores...so why shouldscarless healing not have pores? And same for the wrinkles....why does thepresence of wrinkles mean non scarless healing? Dont get your point?
16 hours ago, nikki_gargin said:Scars dont have pores...so why shouldscarless healing not have pores? And same for the wrinkles....why does thepresence of wrinkles mean non scarless healing? Dont get your point?
some scars which are not that deep have pores ...i repeat it and i can prove it. .. scars which are not that deep pores ( example some of my acne scar have pores i have seen it through a magnifying glass it had some pores ..and one of my hypertrophic scars also have pores and some hair also grows from it)
pores and hairare completely absent only in true fibrotic scars like burn scars ...accidental scars
43 minutes ago, Anish004 said:some scars which are not that deep have pores ...i repeat it and i can prove it. .. scars which are not that deep pores ( example some of my acne scar have pores i have seen it through a magnifying glass it had some pores ..and one of my hypertrophic scars also have pores and some hair also grows from it)
pores and hairare completely absent only in true fibrotic scars like burn scars ...accidental scars
That doesn't make any sense , how can fibrous tissue ( which scarring essentially is ) have pores ? , having pores is an indicator of having healthy functioning skin , i have rough skin texture from years of pimples ( essentially scarring ) that might seem similar to pores ... maybe you're confused , am not trying to say you're wrong , but scars that have pores just doesn't sound right to me.
17 minutes ago, Scarcure said:That doesn't make any sense , how can fibrous tissue ( which scarring essentially is ) have pores ? , having pores is an indicator of having healthy functioning skin , i have rough skin texture from years of pimples ( essentially scarring ) that might seem similar to pores ... maybe you're confused , am not trying to say you're wrong , but scars that have pores just doesn't sound right to me.
Actually, you need to understand how the skin works. It has 3 layers. If the epidermis is injured, there is no scarring. The you have the dermis, most cuts extend to the dermis. And finally, you have the hypodermis or subcutaneous fat layer. You see hair follicles and pores actually lie on the surface of the hypodermis. So, many scars do actually contain hair follicles and pores because the injury didn't go any deeper than the dermis.
11 minutes ago, MyBeautifulScars said:Actually, you need to understand how the skin works. It has 3 layers. If the epidermis is injured, there is no scarring. The you have the dermis, most cuts extend to the dermis. And finally, you have the hypodermis or subcutaneous fat layer. You see hair follicles and pores actually lie on the surface of the hypodermis. So, many scars do actually contain hair follicles and pores because the injury didn't go any deeper than the dermis.
exactly...people think every scar is same...
no man scarring depend on level of damage
..if u have slight dermis damaged and u got an indented scar it will have pores but it will be indented ....
for example rollimg scars.they have same texure of skin and have appendages but they are indented due to volume
and whoever think a scar is a scar ...so tell me one thing are all eye injuries same ??? are all intestine ulcers same ???no they differ in severity
if u look a burn contracture scar it has gone beyond hypoderms and lost pigments and appendages as well but if u look at some indented acne scars it have pores and hairs as well but indented due to loss of collagen and fats
At the end of the day, the reality is that microcoring wont solve your problem if your damage extends to the hypodermis. It will remove the surface scarring and strictlytextural problems, giving a pretty smooth face, but it wont eliminate verydeep pits. For that, you'll almost certainly need fat grafting. If you continue to get large cysts, you need to get on accutane, since near-future treatments will most likely not address the hypodermis damage that is typical of severe cysts. The dermis and epidermis are around 2mm combined; any deeper damage is much more difficult to fix.
2 hours ago, PTAA said:At the end of the day, the reality is that microcoring wont solve your problem if your damage extends to the hypodermis. It will remove the surface scarring and strictlytextural problems, giving a pretty smooth face, but it wont eliminate verydeep pits. For that, you'll almost certainly need fat grafting. If you continue to get large cysts, you need to get on accutane, since near-future treatments will most likely not address the hypodermis damage that is typical of severe cysts. The dermis and epidermis are around 2mm combined; any deeper damage is much more difficult to fix.
Accutane is dangerous and messes up with the whole way your body functions. Unfortunately, there is no other way to treat cystic acne or its severe forms at this time.Sometimes,these cysts may not be acne.Folliculitis tends to form carbuncles which reach deep into the hypodermis. Wether you decide to goon Accutane or not, extensive damage has alreadyoccured to the skin. How the skin heals and the amount of scarring depends on genetics.
Microcoring is just another gimmick to pray on the vulnerable. It will take many treatments to get that smooth face if ever. If people have the resources, then it is an improvement over laser treatments I believe.
As for fat grafting, this procedure is slowly being phased out. The fat gets absorbed over months by the body because it treats it as something foreign. Skin fillers have been introduced to replace fat grafting. Many dermatologists are also using subcission. Unfortunately with subcission, the scar bonds tend to return over time unless you use a filler.These procedures are dangerous and if not done properly can make everything look worse. Most of these procedures do not work with ice pick scarring which are those tiny puncture holes. Most of us have this form of scarring. The only method that cam get you some improvement is TCA cross or excision. Excision is practiced less and less because a hypertrophic scar tends to form. You exchange the hole for a bigger raised angry looking scar.
Bottom line is that if you have cystic acne, you must accepts thatscarring will follow. Your skin will never be the same again and forever bear the marks of acne on your face.
Current procedures offer little to no improvement for scarring. Some people are quite fortunate enough to get significant improvements.
The medical community has been quite slow in studying the true causes of cystic acne and acne in general. They have many theories and even blame testosterone as the culprit. Yet many adult women seem to suffer more and more.
In my opinion, acne has something to do with food. All these conservation agents seem to make certain bacteria to proliferate.
Scarless healing can only be achieved when they figure out how to regrow severed limbs until then we can stare at our facial pits all day.
19 minutes ago, MyBeautifulScars said:Microcoring is just another gimmick to pray on the vulnerable. It will take many treatments to get that smooth face if ever. If people have the resources, then it is an improvement over laser treatments I believe.
19 minutes ago, MyBeautifulScars said:The only method that cam get you some improvement is TCA cross or excision. Excision is practiced less and less because a hypertrophic scar tends to form. You exchange the hole for a bigger raised angry looking scar.
Both of these being in the same post is very ironic. Microcoring is, by definition, excision that doesn't leave a scar.
19 minutes ago, MyBeautifulScars said:Accutane is dangerous and messes up with the whole way your body functions. Unfortunately, there is no other way to treat cystic acne or its severe forms at this time.Sometimes,these cysts may not be acne.Folliculitis tends to form carbuncles which reach deep into the hypodermis. Wether you decide to goon Accutane or not, extensive damage has alreadyoccured to the skin. How the skin heals and the amount of scarring depends on genetics.
Using a fringe case that accutane won't fix doesn't mean that people shouldn't be getting on it if they have cystic acne. It will cure the vast majority of people, even if it takes multiple courses.
1 hour ago, PTAA said:
Both of these being in the same post is very ironic. Microcoring is, by definition, excision that doesn't leave a scar.
Using a fringe case that accutane won't fix doesn't mean that people shouldn't be getting on it if they have cystic acne. It will cure the vast majority of people, even if it takes multiple courses.
I don't understand why it is ironic? I stated the facts as they are. What guarantees do we have that microcoring works?
3 hours ago, PTAA said:At the end of the day, the reality is that microcoring wont solve your problem if your damage extends to the hypodermis. It will remove the surface scarring and strictlytextural problems, giving a pretty smooth face, but it wont eliminate verydeep pits. For that, you'll almost certainly need fat grafting. If you continue to get large cysts, you need to get on accutane, since near-future treatments will most likely not address the hypodermis damage that is typical of severe cysts. The dermis and epidermis are around 2mm combined; any deeper damage is much more difficult to fix.
This is not true. Cytrellis is in trials including surgical scars which are full thickness scars, and recros medica advertise on their website their intentions to trial on surgical scars also. Also skin thickness varies across the whole body. Submental area recros medica use 4mm I believe for full thickness core.
7 hours ago, Anish004 said:some scars which are not that deep have pores ...i repeat it and i can prove it. .. scars which are not that deep pores ( example some of my acne scar have pores i have seen it through a magnifying glass it had some pores ..and one of my hypertrophic scars also have pores and some hair also grows from it)
pores and hairare completely absent only in true fibrotic scars like burn scars ...accidental scars
Well having pores is not going to change whether a scar can be revised using micro-coring? Whether your scar is able to be excised will be looked at by the clinican. He wont have a microscope looking for pores mate.
23 hours ago, RefinedAzalea said:Did anyone contact with Sunogel? They said they plancomplete preclinical studies by the end of the third quarter of 2019.
Unfortunately, the website hasn't been updated for a while. They did add a few pics about using the gel on a full thickness wound and how it healed. The healed wound shows hair and hypopigmentation, scarring is present also but that can be hypopigmentation. My feeling is that pre-clinical trials should have ended by now but complications happened along the way.
23 hours ago, nikki_gargin said:This is not true. Cytrellis is in trials including surgical scars which are full thickness scars, and recros medica advertise on their website their intentions to trial on surgical scars also. Also skin thickness varies across the whole body. Submental area recros medica use 4mm I believe for full thickness core.
Well having pores is not going to change whether a scar can be revised using micro-coring? Whether your scar is able to be excised will be looked at by the clinican. He wont have a microscope looking for pores mate.
Healthy human skin contains pores and hair follicles. Any woundabove 1.5-2 mm depth leads to scarring, it goes deepwell into the dermis and touches the hypodermis. Some people get scars even from just injuring the epidermis. I have a hard time believing that excising 4 mm ofscarred skin in depth will not generate another visible trace.
The appearance of humanscars depends on genetics. Some people barely have any after healingwhile most peoplegetnasty ones. I for once get linear hypertrophic scars that fade over time from red raised bundles of collagen to slightly raised white linear lines or patches.