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1 hour ago, nikki_gargin said:There is also œRecros medical Nuvella fractional coring device as well, . Their pictures on treating skin laxity is amazing. This is the company who use bigger needle sizes to remove skin. I have seen the day 180 pictures and the redness goes. 1treatment and 25% area skin removal, look how much they could remove! This company haven™t done scar trials yet but claim the same as Cytrellis plus tattoo removal. Also, the fat does not need to be touched.
Two companies with similar technology claim the same. Both have shown their devices safe. Both looking to launch end of 2019. Both getting investments. It™s not a coincidence is it. Be happy people this is atleast, a very big leap forward.
Apologizes if i seem ignorant , but what does this have to do with scarless healing ?
33 minutes ago, Scarcure said:Apologizes if i seem ignorant , but what does this have to do with scarless healing ?
This can remove full thickness skin without creating more scar tissue, it means that is has the capability of remove full thickness scarred skin making the skin shrink and diminishing its size. Following that logic, with several sessions u can literally shrink the scar tissue to the point of the health skin surround all area that was previously scarred, resulting in a scarless healing. I would say, thats not the scarless healing approach people was expecting, thats more of a mechanical way to force healthy skin to force scarless healing by shrinking thus filling holes created by micro-coring.
Scar revision is a old method already where they manually remove the entire scar tissue in the area or use a punch excision to remove the scarred area. That would be a functional cure right? No, because the stress caused by those methods, create another scar, the premisse of this is creating a scaraesthetically more pleasant than the older.
Micro coring is basically very very small diameter excisionpunch, way smaller than the ones that are used today for scar revision, the size of the hole caused by itis not big enough to stress the skin to the point of creating scar, but is not big enough either to remove a entire scar tissue in almost all cases, thus, the need of several procedures.
55 minutes ago, De Rerum Natura said:This can remove full thickness skin without creating more scar tissue, it means that is has the capability of remove full thickness scarred skin making the skin shrink and diminishing its size. Following that logic, with several sessions u can literally shrink the scar tissue to the point of the health skin surround all area that was previously scarred, resulting in a scarless healing. I would say, thats not the scarless healing approach people was expecting, thats more of a mechanical way to force healthy skin to force scarless healing by shrinking thus filling holes created by micro-coring.
Scar revision is a old method already where they manually remove the entire scar tissue in the area or use a punch excision to remove the scarred area. That would be a functional cure right? No, because the stress caused by those methods, create another scar, the premisse of this is creating a scar aesthetically more pleasant than the older.
Micro coring is basically very very small diameter excision punch, way smaller than the ones that are used today for scar revision, the size of the hole caused by it is not big enough to stress the skin to the point of creating scar, but is not big enough either to remove a entire scar tissue in almost all cases, thus, the need of several procedures.
Ahhh right , great explanation , thank you , much appreciated 
, if i can ask , has it been clinically or proven in any way to be the case what you are describing ? , sounds fantastic , it sounds essentially scarless healing , but without the skin appendages ( sweat glands , oil glands , hair follices etc )
All the best.
Honestly i dont give a damn about regaining skin appendages, couse I dont have burns or large scarsthat would impairfunctionality.
If this microcoring will provesuccesful
and it looks like it will, this will be the cure for us. In 4-5 treatments it will remove all of our scar tissue and healthy skin will take its place !!!! Fucking amazing
Thanks for the posts Nikki, if you have more photos of this treatment share them pls 😀
42 minutes ago, Scarcure said:Ahhh right , great explanation , thank you , much appreciated
All the best.
You should read! Because that explanation is spot on and if you look up mechanisms of the skin, healing and the studies on this you will know for yourself. People on here are just going to post new content because most serious people on here know the science already hence no one explains.
yes a gradual reduction will reduce stress on the skin further and prevent thinning. They are also looking to use the skin core œleft overs to make into a dermal filler. So if anyone has thinning of the skin then you could hypothetically have a graft taken with this, made into filler for the dermis and then the donor site will heal scarlessly. Amazing really.
It™s science that has been known about for years but I guess no one designed a tool to œmake it happen by force.
2 hours ago, De Rerum Natura said:This can remove full thickness skin without creating more scar tissue, it means that is has the capability of remove full thickness scarred skin making the skin shrink and diminishing its size. Following that logic, with several sessions u can literally shrink the scar tissue to the point of the health skin surround all area that was previously scarred, resulting in a scarless healing. I would say, thats not the scarless healing approach people was expecting, thats more of a mechanical way to force healthy skin to force scarless healing by shrinking thus filling holes created by micro-coring.
Scar revision is a old method already where they manually remove the entire scar tissue in the area or use a punch excision to remove the scarred area. That would be a functional cure right? No, because the stress caused by those methods, create another scar, the premisse of this is creating a scaraesthetically more pleasant than the older.
Micro coring is basically very very small diameter excisionpunch, way smaller than the ones that are used today for scar revision, the size of the hole caused by itis not big enough to stress the skin to the point of creating scar, but is not big enough either to remove a entire scar tissue in almost all cases, thus, the need of several procedures.
I have seen the before and after pics of some patients who under microcoring, while there are results it doesn't seem scarless.
22 minutes ago, AI3forever said:I have seen the before and after pics of some patients who under microcoring, while there are results it doesn't seem scarless.
Hey guys, you only discuss micro-coring here which is not the answer for scarless healing. What do you thinkabout other options in the future ?
https://practicaldermatology.com/news/scaravoid-may-offer-a-new-approach-to-wound-healing
https://www.medica-tradefair.com/en/News/Archive/Targeting_scar-free_wound_healing
On 9/28/2019 at 5:34 AM, Scarcure said:Why 30 years ? could be 5 years ? 10 years .... you can't just make an assumption like that without bases , i was told from the Scarless healing foundation in the UK that in 5 years a breakthrough will occur , maybe it will , maybe it's won't .... but don't just make a blanket assumption like that it's not helpful for any of us.
Dude....nobody knows for sure when a breakthrough will occur. It is like fusion reactors are only right around the corner.
2 minutes ago, nikki_gargin said:What about it didnt seem scarless?
Beware...after pics are when the skin is still swelled up!
9 hours ago, nikkigirl said:Dude....nobody knows for sure when a breakthrough will occur. It is like fusion reactors are only right around the corner.
Beware...after pics are when the skin is still swelled up!
I wouldn't equate scarless healing with fusion reactors coming round the corner , but i get your frustration , but you can't think like that , we are close.
Swollen At 180 days?? I dont think so. The hole closesin 4 days completely and dressing is off,so how it can be swollen to at 6 months? Also how would swelling hide scaring?
11 hours ago, tweet_007 said:Hey guys, you only discuss micro-coring here which is not the answer for scarless healing. What do you thinkabout other options in the future ?
https://practicaldermatology.com/news/scaravoid-may-offer-a-new-approach-to-wound-healing
https://www.medica-tradefair.com/en/News/Archive/Targeting_scar-free_wound_healing
To avoid scars yeh but what if you already have them?
One thing that people should consider is that, hyperpigmentation and redness will be present in almost ALL cases following the several months, this could give impression of scarring.
Other thing is manipulating the wound, primaryintention closure is always more desirable than second intention, but, with micro-coring, papers show that second intention closures healed without scarring too.
3 hours ago, Scarcure said:This Microcoring sounds great , however would it be applicable for scarring on the nose ? because the skin on the nose is much thinner ? don't know if my question makes any sense.
I see what you mean but no one will here will know that. You will need a consult when its available x
9 hours ago, Scarcure said:Ok .... may work hopefully , thank you xx , if anyone does contract Cytrellis , can someone mention nose scarring also ?
i have 4 scars on nose and they are deep...i also want to know that....however from what i think that its thin there but anatomy is same...ie epidermis dermis and hypodermis so it should work
13 hours ago, AI3forever said:Well their pores and wrinkles didn't disappear. So what more about those crater-like acne scars?
Scars dont have pores...so why shouldscarless healing not have pores? And same for the wrinkles....why does thepresence of wrinkles mean non scarless healing? Dont get your point?
16 hours ago, nikki_gargin said:Scars dont have pores...so why shouldscarless healing not have pores? And same for the wrinkles....why does thepresence of wrinkles mean non scarless healing? Dont get your point?
some scars which are not that deep have pores ...i repeat it and i can prove it. .. scars which are not that deep pores ( example some of my acne scar have pores i have seen it through a magnifying glass it had some pores ..and one of my hypertrophic scars also have pores and some hair also grows from it)
pores and hairare completely absent only in true fibrotic scars like burn scars ...accidental scars
43 minutes ago, Anish004 said:some scars which are not that deep have pores ...i repeat it and i can prove it. .. scars which are not that deep pores ( example some of my acne scar have pores i have seen it through a magnifying glass it had some pores ..and one of my hypertrophic scars also have pores and some hair also grows from it)
pores and hairare completely absent only in true fibrotic scars like burn scars ...accidental scars
That doesn't make any sense , how can fibrous tissue ( which scarring essentially is ) have pores ? , having pores is an indicator of having healthy functioning skin , i have rough skin texture from years of pimples ( essentially scarring ) that might seem similar to pores ... maybe you're confused , am not trying to say you're wrong , but scars that have pores just doesn't sound right to me.
17 minutes ago, Scarcure said:That doesn't make any sense , how can fibrous tissue ( which scarring essentially is ) have pores ? , having pores is an indicator of having healthy functioning skin , i have rough skin texture from years of pimples ( essentially scarring ) that might seem similar to pores ... maybe you're confused , am not trying to say you're wrong , but scars that have pores just doesn't sound right to me.
Actually, you need to understand how the skin works. It has 3 layers. If the epidermis is injured, there is no scarring. The you have the dermis, most cuts extend to the dermis. And finally, you have the hypodermis or subcutaneous fat layer. You see hair follicles and pores actually lie on the surface of the hypodermis. So, many scars do actually contain hair follicles and pores because the injury didn't go any deeper than the dermis.
11 minutes ago, MyBeautifulScars said:Actually, you need to understand how the skin works. It has 3 layers. If the epidermis is injured, there is no scarring. The you have the dermis, most cuts extend to the dermis. And finally, you have the hypodermis or subcutaneous fat layer. You see hair follicles and pores actually lie on the surface of the hypodermis. So, many scars do actually contain hair follicles and pores because the injury didn't go any deeper than the dermis.
exactly...people think every scar is same...
no man scarring depend on level of damage
..if u have slight dermis damaged and u got an indented scar it will have pores but it will be indented ....
for example rollimg scars.they have same texure of skin and have appendages but they are indented due to volume
and whoever think a scar is a scar ...so tell me one thing are all eye injuries same ??? are all intestine ulcers same ???no they differ in severity
if u look a burn contracture scar it has gone beyond hypoderms and lost pigments and appendages as well but if u look at some indented acne scars it have pores and hairs as well but indented due to loss of collagen and fats
At the end of the day, the reality is that microcoring wont solve your problem if your damage extends to the hypodermis. It will remove the surface scarring and strictlytextural problems, giving a pretty smooth face, but it wont eliminate verydeep pits. For that, you'll almost certainly need fat grafting. If you continue to get large cysts, you need to get on accutane, since near-future treatments will most likely not address the hypodermis damage that is typical of severe cysts. The dermis and epidermis are around 2mm combined; any deeper damage is much more difficult to fix.
2 hours ago, PTAA said:At the end of the day, the reality is that microcoring wont solve your problem if your damage extends to the hypodermis. It will remove the surface scarring and strictlytextural problems, giving a pretty smooth face, but it wont eliminate verydeep pits. For that, you'll almost certainly need fat grafting. If you continue to get large cysts, you need to get on accutane, since near-future treatments will most likely not address the hypodermis damage that is typical of severe cysts. The dermis and epidermis are around 2mm combined; any deeper damage is much more difficult to fix.
Accutane is dangerous and messes up with the whole way your body functions. Unfortunately, there is no other way to treat cystic acne or its severe forms at this time.Sometimes,these cysts may not be acne.Folliculitis tends to form carbuncles which reach deep into the hypodermis. Wether you decide to goon Accutane or not, extensive damage has alreadyoccured to the skin. How the skin heals and the amount of scarring depends on genetics.
Microcoring is just another gimmick to pray on the vulnerable. It will take many treatments to get that smooth face if ever. If people have the resources, then it is an improvement over laser treatments I believe.
As for fat grafting, this procedure is slowly being phased out. The fat gets absorbed over months by the body because it treats it as something foreign. Skin fillers have been introduced to replace fat grafting. Many dermatologists are also using subcission. Unfortunately with subcission, the scar bonds tend to return over time unless you use a filler.These procedures are dangerous and if not done properly can make everything look worse. Most of these procedures do not work with ice pick scarring which are those tiny puncture holes. Most of us have this form of scarring. The only method that cam get you some improvement is TCA cross or excision. Excision is practiced less and less because a hypertrophic scar tends to form. You exchange the hole for a bigger raised angry looking scar.
Bottom line is that if you have cystic acne, you must accepts thatscarring will follow. Your skin will never be the same again and forever bear the marks of acne on your face.
Current procedures offer little to no improvement for scarring. Some people are quite fortunate enough to get significant improvements.
The medical community has been quite slow in studying the true causes of cystic acne and acne in general. They have many theories and even blame testosterone as the culprit. Yet many adult women seem to suffer more and more.
In my opinion, acne has something to do with food. All these conservation agents seem to make certain bacteria to proliferate.
Scarless healing can only be achieved when they figure out how to regrow severed limbs until then we can stare at our facial pits all day.