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maybe something like a co2 laser or dermabrasion might do the trick.i dont know if ECM works or not but the only way to know is to test it out on people.i dont think lasers were used for years in clinical trials before the FDA approved their usage.what also happened to artefil that was our latest savoir?it was FDA approved and not much has been said of this permanent filler.shit...i think i could use surgical grade sand paper myself on a small area of my face and apply the stuff myself.really...the medical field has just become a big uncontrolled business and for what they do and charge is crazy.i smashed my finger and had to go to the IR at the hospital.had to wait over an hour in severe pain.....the doc wrote me 2 prescriptions and had the nurse put a 10 cent cheep splint on m finger.total cost...over 600 dollars....what a crock!
I don't really know where won won is getting her/his information from, but what are you talking about when you say "We should have definite answers by the end of October. September is pushing it. We have enough testers to report back before Halloween though.?" Do you know of any testers?
If you all would read back to my original post regarding the CA doctor, he told me that he had already performed procedures and should be able to get back to me in a few weeks. I'm going to call back in 2-3 weeks to check up on his progress. Thus, we should have information in September if I understand his timetable correctly.
I understand the concern over excisions, if you check out my picture you can see that my whole back is covered, so excisions are not really practical (not that I wouldn't pay for it anyways), so a dermabrasion or CO2 type procedure would definitely be optimal for me. However, if excisions are the only way to go than so be it. I definitely do understand the concern regarding the face, it's a lot easier to let someone cut it out of your back then out of your face. Down time would be a while for you guys probably.
I think what we should do is go into the threads that people post/peruse right before they get CO2 or dermabrasion done and let them know about Acell and ask them if they would be willing to ask there doc and try it. Hopefully we can get a doc who does a lot of these procedures on board and a few of their patients ...because they would notice if there really was something extraordinary about use of Acell with and without.
I think what we should do is go into the threads that people post/peruse right before they get CO2 or dermabrasion done and let them know about Acell and ask them if they would be willing to ask there doc and try it. Hopefully we can get a doc who does a lot of these procedures on board and a few of their patients ...because they would notice if there really was something extraordinary about use of Acell with and without.
What you say regarding docs trying Acell is not reasonable. First off, believe it or not but a very vast majority of derms haven't heard of Acell, and has been on the market for about a month (the human version anyway). So it's a new product.
Second, many will worry about lawsuits if it causes problems.
Third, how does anyone know how to apply it? From what I understand, they make a powder form, sheet form and another form. So how many times would we apply it to the area daily? How long does it have to be on the damaged skin?
Fourth, do we know that derms can order this product?
To sum it all up, everyone (including derms) are still ignorant regarding Acell.
What bothers me is why a released product wasn't tested before the actual release! I don't get it. On a sidenote, I want to buy stock in Acell how would I go about doing that? (For the record I believe Acell will have benefits enough to buy stock in but not enough benefits to fulfill what we all hope).
The skin on your face is different because it's much more delicate. This is why getting a cyst on your thigh heals much better with no scarring opposed to having it on your face, which takes a lot longer to heal and can leave a scar.
Naitch ECM regenerates what is near it, if it is elephant skin it regnerates elephant skin, white skin, white skin, black skin, black skin, tendon, tendon, heart tissue, heart tissue...
I think what we should do is go into the threads that people post/peruse right before they get CO2 or dermabrasion done and let them know about Acell and ask them if they would be willing to ask there doc and try it. Hopefully we can get a doc who does a lot of these procedures on board and a few of their patients ...because they would notice if there really was something extraordinary about use of Acell with and without.
What you say regarding docs trying Acell is not reasonable. First off, believe it or not but a very vast majority of derms haven't heard of Acell, and has been on the market for about a month (the human version anyway). So it's a new product.
Second, many will worry about lawsuits if it causes problems.
Third, how does anyone know how to apply it? From what I understand, they make a powder form, sheet form and another form. So how many times would we apply it to the area daily? How long does it have to be on the damaged skin?
Fourth, do we know that derms can order this product?
To sum it all up, everyone (including derms) are still ignorant regarding Acell.
What bothers me is why a released product wasn't tested before the actual release! I don't get it. On a sidenote, I want to buy stock in Acell how would I go about doing that? (For the record I believe Acell will have benefits enough to buy stock in but not enough benefits to fulfill what we all hope).
People don't necessarily know how to apply it most effectively, there are lots of methods that could be experimented with via trial and error.
Derms can order this product, any doctor can order this, anyone who can order prescriptions can order ACell.
They released a product that was tested for wound repair, not scar revision.
You can't buy stock in ACell, it is a privately held company, thus not traded on any market.
The skin on your face is different because it's much more delicate. This is why getting a cyst on your thigh heals much better with no scarring opposed to having it on your face, which takes a lot longer to heal and can leave a scar.
Naitch ECM regenerates what is near it, if it is elephant skin it regnerates elephant skin, white skin, white skin, black skin, black skin, tendon, tendon, heart tissue, heart tissue...
I think what we should do is go into the threads that people post/peruse right before they get CO2 or dermabrasion done and let them know about Acell and ask them if they would be willing to ask there doc and try it. Hopefully we can get a doc who does a lot of these procedures on board and a few of their patients ...because they would notice if there really was something extraordinary about use of Acell with and without.
What you say regarding docs trying Acell is not reasonable. First off, believe it or not but a very vast majority of derms haven't heard of Acell, and has been on the market for about a month (the human version anyway). So it's a new product.
Second, many will worry about lawsuits if it causes problems.
Third, how does anyone know how to apply it? From what I understand, they make a powder form, sheet form and another form. So how many times would we apply it to the area daily? How long does it have to be on the damaged skin?
Fourth, do we know that derms can order this product?
To sum it all up, everyone (including derms) are still ignorant regarding Acell.
What bothers me is why a released product wasn't tested before the actual release! I don't get it. On a sidenote, I want to buy stock in Acell how would I go about doing that? (For the record I believe Acell will have benefits enough to buy stock in but not enough benefits to fulfill what we all hope).
People don't necessarily know how to apply it most effectively, there are lots of methods that could be experimented with via trial and error.
Derms can order this product, any doctor can order this, anyone who can order prescriptions can order ACell.
They released a product that was tested for wound repair, not scar revision.
You can't buy stock in ACell, it is a privately held company, thus not traded on any market.
Now Kirk, I didn't know how strong Acell was in terms of rejuvenation. But with all due respect, how do you know? Or did Mr. Manning tell you? I always thought that with Acell it has to get in the bloodstream to "signal" to your body. Or something like that.
hoursafter, trial and error I'am well aware of, but individuals like ourselves can't afford to go get a dermabrasion every month just to "experiment" with acell. So basically we have to wait for doctors to get it right opposed to going out there and "experimenting".
So you're saying that if I go talk to my derm, he could order this stuff, correct?
It makes a lot more sense that this product was originally developed for wound repair, thus not treated on acne-scarred people. But once again, if you're someone who has a patent on such a product wouldn't you experiment in all related fields?
What you say regarding docs trying Acell is not reasonable.
I never said anything about docs trying acell ...I put the notion out there that people getting CO2 and dermabrasion should inquire about it.
First off, believe it or not but a very vast majority of derms haven't heard of Acell, and has been on the market for about a month (the human version anyway). So it's a new product.
I never said that I did not believe that the vast majority of derms are clueless about acell. I understand it is a new product. What I asked was to recruit people getting these procedures done to start planting the seeds into these docs heads. Did you even read my post?
Second, many will worry about lawsuits if it causes problems.
Have you ever heard of a document called a waiver? It's something you sign...
Third, how does anyone know how to apply it? From what I understand, they make a powder form, sheet form and another form. So how many times would we apply it to the area daily? How long does it have to be on the damaged skin?
No. We don't know anything about it. It is being massed produced and we don't know why.
Burns and other extensive traumas to the skin are ideal candidates for ECM treatment. Wood said he has used this technology most commonly in his practice for horses with fence injuries or wire cuts.
"With normal treatment, you get a lot of proud flesh formation," he noted. "With this, if you catch it in the acute stage, you simply clean up the wound and lay the material in there with a light bandage to hold it in place. You change the bandage every three to five days and, usually in about three applications, you will get healing of these injuries in most cases without any proud flesh formation."
SOURCE: http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/horse-hea...lp-a-horse.aspx
-- I must ask does this mean we can't wash our faces for like a month due to interupting the healing process of Acell? It's fine with me, but I would have the procedure done in the summer.
Now Kirk, I didn't know how strong Acell was in terms of rejuvenation. But with all due respect, how do you know? Or did Mr. Manning tell you? I always thought that with Acell it has to get in the bloodstream to "signal" to your body. Or something like that.
Naitch I know my thinking by research, also via many links from this thread over many months.
It is 'universal' to all animal, mammal and reptile tissues... We all have it... I haven't read anything or focused on anything about the bloodstream (if you can remember or you have saved links, where did you read this?). What I know is it has an appropriate tissue regeneration response to the wounded tissue it is applied to at an appropriate time. It switches on and off factors and inhibitors when needed etc.
It is involved in rejunivation of every tissue in your body over time.
I'm off the current opinion you can't have any regeneration without it. And if you tried it would be impracticle be it the biomorphing that goes on with all the microfactors when your tissues regenerate over a time period.
Here is a link for you to read:
www.acell.com/news/TCOTHACellArticle.pdf
Now Kirk, I didn't know how strong Acell was in terms of rejuvenation. But with all due respect, how do you know? Or did Mr. Manning tell you? I always thought that with Acell it has to get in the bloodstream to "signal" to your body. Or something like that.
Naitch I know my thinking by research, also via many links from this thread over many months.
It is 'universal' to all animal, mammal and reptile tissues... We all have it... I haven't read anything or focused on anything about the bloodstream (if you can remember or you have saved links, where did you read this?). What I know is it has an appropriate tissue regeneration response to the wounded tissue it is applied to at an appropriate time. It switches on and off factors and inhibitors when needed etc.
It is involved in rejunivation of every tissue in your body over time.
I'm off the current opinion you can't have any regeneration without it. And if you tried it would be impracticle be it the biomorphing that goes on with all the microfactors when your tissues regenerate over a time period.
Here is a link for you to read:
www.acell.com/news/TCOTHACellArticle.pdf
amazing quotes from the article you sent me. It's like something out of science fiction.
"The dog had regrown a functional aorta and esophagus."
"It was difficult to tell the difference"
Kirk, I was just under the impression that the acell works via blood. That is all. I always thought if you just stick the Acell on skin barely damaged then it just sinks in your pores, hence being unable to reach your bloodstream and through your regeneration abilities. It just sounds too good to be true... I hope it is true!
Naitch...if you dont want to use acell..dont get it done.you are free to use existing treatments.i dont think anyone knows if ECM will work or not.i dont think it will ever make a severely burned patient scars look 100% again.it MAY help acne scar patients make their scars look better...really i just dont know,but it cant be any worse than whats out there already.Naitch..you can always live with your acne scars and look you might get a role in the next..''dark knight'' movie playing the joker or harvey..2 faced..denton.
Naitch...if you dont want to use acell..dont get it done.you are free to use existing treatments.i dont think anyone knows if ECM will work or not.i dont think it will ever make a severely burned patient scars look 100% again.it MAY help acne scar patients make their scars look better...really i just dont know,but it cant be any worse than whats out there already.Naitch..you can always live with your acne scars and look you might get a role in the next..''dark knight'' movie playing the joker or harvey..2 faced..denton.
Nikigirl, I'm 99.9999% certain it will work. It works on every tissue of mammals, animals and reptiles.
Lesser ECM's have already worked. This is pure. I add up from that...
Naitch...if you dont want to use acell..dont get it done.you are free to use existing treatments.i dont think anyone knows if ECM will work or not.i dont think it will ever make a severely burned patient scars look 100% again.it MAY help acne scar patients make their scars look better...really i just dont know,but it cant be any worse than whats out there already.Naitch..you can always live with your acne scars and look you might get a role in the next..''dark knight'' movie playing the joker or harvey..2 faced..denton.
Nikigirl, I'm 99.9999% certain it will work. It works on every tissue of mammals, animals and reptiles.
Lesser ECM's have already worked. This is pure. I add up from that...
Just reading your words puts a tear in my eye. I hope this is what we've been waiting for.
Anyone have any thoughts or concern of ecm backlashing on our bodies to give us cancer? Don't mean to be a party pooper, I'm just curious since the product comes from a pig. It makes me feel more comfortable to know it is FDA approved though 
I don't think the powder will be inconvenient, but the sheet will more beneficial. I think the sheet will be cut into a mask, and the face will be "injured" via co2 laser. This right here is risky, because co2 carries it's own problem. But the skin will have to be "damaged" for acell to kick in. The co2 will be used on the face, and the Acell sheet mask will be put on our face, and maybe supported via bandages. I believe that the healing process can't be interfered with. Meaning, you can't wash your face or touch your face for a month (untill Acell does it's job). Every 3-5 days you will be required to put on a new Acell sheet mask. This is all a theory, it's not concrete!
back to juvista (I don't know if this was posted back on July 10th)
looks like they are about to test scar revision
I think Acell is a step ahead of Juvista, and more effective.
I hope so...but right now Juvista has more scientific evidence.
Renovo, is also traded publicly in the UK, like a serious drug company.
Unfortuntely, the kind of results they are getting seem only about 30-50% at best. So this type of "scarless healing" drugs has a long way to go. 
Thay have a few products in trail, but nothing on the market as yet.
I think Acell is a step ahead of Juvista, and more effective.
I hope so...but right now Juvista has more scientific evidence.
Renovo, is also traded publicly in the UK, like a serious drug company.
Unfortuntely, the kind of results they are getting seem only about 30-50% at best. So this type of "scarless healing" drugs has a long way to go.
Thay have a few products in trail, but nothing on the market as yet.
Does anyone know when Juvista is going to be released here in the US?
As far as the 30-50% results go, it was my understanding that this was the percentage from a recent study using only one application, and that they then discovered that it works better if it is applied twice within a 24 hour period, and that the poor results from this trial are what has held up its release here in America. Does anyone know if this is correct???
I think Acell is a step ahead of Juvista, and more effective.
I hope so...but right now Juvista has more scientific evidence.
Renovo, is also traded publicly in the UK, like a serious drug company.
Unfortuntely, the kind of results they are getting seem only about 30-50% at best. So this type of "scarless healing" drugs has a long way to go.
Thay have a few products in trail, but nothing on the market as yet.
That is correct. Just because the results aren't 100% doesn't mean it still shouldn't be followed in this thread ...if that is what you are getting at.
I think Acell is a step ahead of Juvista, and more effective.
I hope so...but right now Juvista has more scientific evidence.
Renovo, is also traded publicly in the UK, like a serious drug company.
Unfortuntely, the kind of results they are getting seem only about 30-50% at best. So this type of "scarless healing" drugs has a long way to go.
Thay have a few products in trail, but nothing on the market as yet.
Does anyone know when Juvista is going to be released here in the US?
As far as the 30-50% results go, it was my understanding that this was the percentage from a recent study using only one application, and that they then discovered that it works better if it is applied twice within a 24 hour period, and that the poor results from this trial are what has held up its release here in America. Does anyone know if this is correct???
Well if you watch the video they say that the percent improvement was wrong b/c the scale they had developed was bad ...meaning that if the scar wasn't that bad in begin with the sensitivity of the scale was all off. They were seeing an improvement with there own eyes but couldn't understand why the scale results from the independents were lower than what they were observing. I know it sounds like "oh they didn't get the results they wanted so they had to come up with a scale so they would" but if you watch the video it explains it and it does make more sense the way they are going about it now. Honestly if it works a little that is enough for me ...it might make excisions worth trying. Think about it if you can reduce an excision scar with the stuff and then use other methods like fraxel etc to reduce the excison scar the results may be very dramatic.