Naitch, I am not your friend. If this would have been your original post, it would have been far more acceptable. I'm not saying your side has anything to prove, but that doesn't mean you can say things that interfere with the knowledge we all seek from this forum with your inane comments. There are a lot of reasons to believe ACell won't work, probably way more so than to believe it will, however, your doom and gloom comments are just pointless.

"Friend" was a figure of speech.

I'm being realistic here, despite the "doom and gloom". I'm not going to support anything without any back-up data. I can go ahead and make a thread about how rubbing cat fur to your scars everyday day can help collagen growth and vanish scars in under a month. But the problem is there is no support for this whatsoever, and no more can be said about Acell.

I'm not trying to be "positive" or "negative", just realistic. And reality with a little common-sense tells me that if this product (whether it's Juvista, Acell) works the way we think (and hope it does) then every plastic surgeon, derm, etc would be on top of this thing. Acell is already out and the company has no trials or experiments in terms of acne scarring. Now, if Acell does provide relief in acne scars, I truly believe it won't be much better than fraxel.

I really hope I'm wrong about this hoursafter, and if I'am I will owe you a public apology. But as far as things look now, this is my reality.

There are a lot of reasons to believe ACell won't work, probably way more so than to believe it will, however, your doom and gloom comments are just pointless.

Hoursafter, ECM is central to regeneration, regeneration will come about because of ECM. It organises, switches on and off every factor. It is involved in the constant regeneration of every tissue on your body, skin, internal organs, tendons. In the first three months of your life it is the thing that stopped your mothers womb from rejecting you.

Wounds, which do not regenerate do not have ECM unless you apply ECM to the wound.

another ECM, has proven it can regenerate skin, but it does this with a slight fibrousis response. Acell according to an email on the other hand is expected to almost eliminate the fibrosis response.

Another lesser ECM regenerated heart tissue 95%.

Anyway from my clear understanding there are no ways to believe it wont work in theory, you can't have regeneration without ECM.

And hypothetically let's say it regenerates the way, kirk says it does. Exactly how "wounded" does the face have to be for the ecm to kick in? For all we know that the face has to be wounded to the point of "great risk" for the ecm to kick in, which makes ecm absolutely useless because no one wants to wound their skin that bad. And we all know that the skin on your face is very sensitive.

acell will be one of those things that will be forgotten about in a few months.

Your negativity is not welcome. I don't care if you've "had it hard". Join the club. This product has amazing potential and for you to slander a potential cure after all of the hard work people like hours and myself are putting in, it's just not appreciated when you spoil the party. If you feel the need to kick the med, go ahead and start a new thread.

acell will be one of those things that will be forgotten about in a few months.

Your negativity is not welcome. I don't care if you've "had it hard". Join the club. This product has amazing potential and for you to slander a potential cure after all of the hard work people like hours and myself are putting in, it's just not appreciated when you spoil the party. If you feel the need to kick the med, go ahead and start a new thread.

 

First off, like I said I'm being realistic. I've been on the forums long enough to see that fraxel was once the supposed "holy-grail", only to be pushed to the side. Needling for a long time was supposedly the greatest thing on this forum for a few months, now look what has come of it. The same goes for the vinegar method as well as a bunch of other useless procedures/techniques.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who is "negative" or "positive" what matters is that these so-called doctors come to a conclusion with Acell within this year. Facts, I need facts, gentlemen.

And I don't know how I'm "spoiling" the party when there hasn't been any news of it with acne scars. How can you have a party without something to celebrate about.

acell will be one of those things that will be forgotten about in a few months.

Your negativity is not welcome. I don't care if you've "had it hard". Join the club. This product has amazing potential and for you to slander a potential cure after all of the hard work people like hours and myself are putting in, it's just not appreciated when you spoil the party. If you feel the need to kick the med, go ahead and start a new thread.

 

 

First off, like I said I'm being realistic. I've been on the forums long enough to see that fraxel was once the supposed "holy-grail", only to be pushed to the side. Needling for a long time was supposedly the greatest thing on this forum for a few months, now look what has come of it. The same goes for the vinegar method as well as a bunch of other useless procedures/techniques.

 

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who is "negative" or "positive" what matters is that these so-called doctors come to a conclusion with Acell within this year. Facts, I need facts, gentlemen.

 

And I don't know how I'm "spoiling" the party when there hasn't been any news of it with acne scars. How can you have a party without something to celebrate about.

 

Naitch, I know that maybe you are misled because of Fraxel, needling and other methods does not fully get rid of scars. For fraxel and needling, im pretty sure those are suppossed to give micro injury to the skin to regenerate the collagen. However, you have to realise that the scar tissue is still there.

For acell though, we would most likely have the scar tissue excised first. Also the wound healing of acell on animals is no doubt impressive. Fraxel and needling dont heal large wounds, cause they dont prevent scar formation, only letting the skin regenerate itself through mirco wounds... Acell is able to prevent scar formation( whether to an extent good enough to benefit us we still dont know ). But the conclusion is that im sure it is better then fraxel or needling.

Trust me, I want to cure my scars; it's something that I have been thinking about almost non-stop for years. But of course we all have tried many methods with minimal improvements (and that's being kind for myself), of course I am going to be skeptical.

I just see scarless healing - 95 -100% tissue regeneration as a BIG deal, if it was really true. The market for scarless surgeries alone - would be enough for medical companies to earn potential billions. So if it was even nearly close, I just would expect to be a hugh noise at the least.

The bottom line is we just have to wait and see.

Naitch, I am not your friend. If this would have been your original post, it would have been far more acceptable. I'm not saying your side has anything to prove, but that doesn't mean you can say things that interfere with the knowledge we all seek from this forum with your inane comments. There are a lot of reasons to believe ACell won't work, probably way more so than to believe it will, however, your doom and gloom comments are just pointless.

 

"Friend" was a figure of speech.

 

I'm being realistic here, despite the "doom and gloom". I'm not going to support anything without any back-up data. I can go ahead and make a thread about how rubbing cat fur to your scars everyday day can help collagen growth and vanish scars in under a month. But the problem is there is no support for this whatsoever, and no more can be said about Acell.

 

I'm not trying to be "positive" or "negative", just realistic. And reality with a little common-sense tells me that if this product (whether it's Juvista, Acell) works the way we think (and hope it does) then every plastic surgeon, derm, etc would be on top of this thing. Acell is already out and the company has no trials or experiments in terms of acne scarring. Now, if Acell does provide relief in acne scars, I truly believe it won't be much better than fraxel.

 

I really hope I'm wrong about this hoursafter, and if I'am I will owe you a public apology. But as far as things look now, this is my reality.

 

Naitch, you wouldn't owe me a public apology at all. I think you are completely missing my point that I don't care whether you believe ACell will work or not, I just think it's stupid when you say meaningless comments like "ACell will be forgotten in 5 months." I think it would be equally as stupid to say "ACell will be our savior and we will all be scarless in 5 months." I just think it's worthless when people make comments without producing anything that adds to the conversation.

Trust me, I want to cure my scars; it's something that I have been thinking about almost non-stop for years. But of course we all have tried many methods with minimal improvements (and that's being kind for myself), of course I am going to be skeptical.

 

I just see scarless healing - 95 -100% tissue regeneration as a BIG deal, if it was really true. The market for scarless surgeries alone - would be enough for medical companies to earn potential billions. So if it was even nearly close, I just would expect to be a hugh noise at the least.

 

The bottom line is we just have to wait and see.

Foxclose, the market for scarless surgeries would not create a new market worth billions of dollars. The vast majorities of surgeries performed are not cosmetic and are born out of necessity. I don't think people will engage in riskier behavior just because you won't scar from a potential surgery. It doesn't make sense to believe that quantity of surgeries is related to scar formation results.

Also, scarless surgery already has been performed/exists, checkout NOTES. I'm not sure what the actual acronym stands for but it's like "natural oraface surgery." They basically do surgery through your mouth, anus, or whatever for real surgeries. Breast surgery can be done through the belly button so that eliminates one of the top cosmetic surgeries already.

Kirk, I hope you're right, but we really need to see some results, and sadly we won't see any results until some actual experiments are done, which don't seem to be underway really. That is the most distressing thing. It appears to be available but not even being tried for our needs. I do look forward to seeing the results of the strip scar surgery which resembles surgical scars.

Hmm, I've got some new news. I contacted the doctor from California regarding his applications of ACell. It turns out that he is not actually using ACell on existing strip scars, rather he is just applying ACell to wounds created from fresh FUE Transplant surgeries. Which I guess is pretty much as good as using it on existing scars, seeing how these procedures are excisions.

So, I bet you're all wondering how it's looking...

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Haha, sorry I had to have a little fun. the Dr. told me that it's too early to tell and he has just been applying it to his recent patients who have undergone the FUE transplants, so he does not know how well ACell works in preventing the formation of strip scars on the scalp. He told me to call him back in a few weeks and he could give me a better idea about how effective ACell is.

Dammit, I just realized that I didn't ask him how he's applying it in his procedure. I'll have to ask him that when I call back.

I was quite amazed that I was able to talk directly to the doctor, I think that's the first time I've ever been able to talk with a doctor over the phone. That's what the medical system needs, that is, better patient accessibility.

By the way, this doctor and the other doctor from New York are definitely not low grade doctors, these guys seem like they run state of the art clinics. They both have fancy web pages and are the head honchos at their practice. They're likely making fortunes.

I don't really want to give out the names right now because I thought it was amazing that the doctor would take my call directly, I worry that he would potentially be inundated with phone calls if I did. That being said, I'd give it out in a private message. Tell me if you want it.

I'm calling the doctor in New York on monday, I didn't get off work early enough to catch him since he's on eastern time.

acell will be one of those things that will be forgotten about in a few months.

Your negativity is not welcome. I don't care if you've "had it hard". Join the club. This product has amazing potential and for you to slander a potential cure after all of the hard work people like hours and myself are putting in, it's just not appreciated when you spoil the party. If you feel the need to kick the med, go ahead and start a new thread.

 

 

First off, like I said I'm being realistic. I've been on the forums long enough to see that fraxel was once the supposed "holy-grail", only to be pushed to the side. Needling for a long time was supposedly the greatest thing on this forum for a few months, now look what has come of it. The same goes for the vinegar method as well as a bunch of other useless procedures/techniques.

 

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who is "negative" or "positive" what matters is that these so-called doctors come to a conclusion with Acell within this year. Facts, I need facts, gentlemen.

 

And I don't know how I'm "spoiling" the party when there hasn't been any news of it with acne scars. How can you have a party without something to celebrate about.

 

You are not realistic in that you are not looking at the comparison of the products. What's been mentioned by you is the lack of efficacy of past treatments like fraxel. That is the only comparable acne scar procedure you have listed and it still pales in comparison to what ACell will ultimately do for any open wound. It's as if you haven't even been reading our posts for the last 10 or so pages. ACell is unlike any treatment that has been used for our cosmetic needs. This pure ecm attracts your own stem cells to the site of wounding in order to propagate the dermal appendage. You are dismissing all logic when you compare this treatment to anything else. Sure you are looking for true examples of success, but what has to happen first is that people like us must contact doctors to get the product circulated. When you throw out a comment like that, who is that really helping? No one. So stop trolling and move along.

/argument

Hmm, I've got some new news. I contacted the doctor from California regarding his applications of ACell. It turns out that he is not actually using ACell on existing strip scars, rather he is just applying ACell to wounds created from fresh FUE Transplant surgeries. Which I guess is pretty much as good as using it on existing scars, seeing how these procedures are excisions.

 

So, I bet you're all wondering how it's looking...

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Haha, sorry I had to have a little fun. the Dr. told me that it's too early to tell and he has just been applying it to his recent patients who have undergone the FUE transplants, so he does not know how well ACell works in preventing the formation of strip scars on the scalp. He told me to call him back in a few weeks and he could give me a better idea about how effective ACell is.

 

Dammit, I just realized that I didn't ask him how he's applying it in his procedure. I'll have to ask him that when I call back.

 

I was quite amazed that I was able to talk directly to the doctor, I think that's the first time I've ever been able to talk with a doctor over the phone. That's what the medical system needs, that is, better patient accessibility.

 

By the way, this doctor and the other doctor from New York are definitely not low grade doctors, these guys seem like they run state of the art clinics. They both have fancy web pages and are the head honchos at their practice. They're likely making fortunes.

 

I don't really want to give out the names right now because I thought it was amazing that the doctor would take my call directly, I worry that he would potentially be inundated with phone calls if I did. That being said, I'd give it out in a private message. Tell me if you want it.

 

I'm calling the doctor in New York on monday, I didn't get off work early enough to catch him since he's on eastern time.

Ask him if his colleagues who treat scars that are no necessarily on the scalp will experiment with Acell if he is successful.

acell will be one of those things that will be forgotten about in a few months.

Your negativity is not welcome. I don't care if you've "had it hard". Join the club. This product has amazing potential and for you to slander a potential cure after all of the hard work people like hours and myself are putting in, it's just not appreciated when you spoil the party. If you feel the need to kick the med, go ahead and start a new thread.

 

 

First off, like I said I'm being realistic. I've been on the forums long enough to see that fraxel was once the supposed "holy-grail", only to be pushed to the side. Needling for a long time was supposedly the greatest thing on this forum for a few months, now look what has come of it. The same goes for the vinegar method as well as a bunch of other useless procedures/techniques.

 

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who is "negative" or "positive" what matters is that these so-called doctors come to a conclusion with Acell within this year. Facts, I need facts, gentlemen.

 

And I don't know how I'm "spoiling" the party when there hasn't been any news of it with acne scars. How can you have a party without something to celebrate about.

 

You are not realistic in that you are not looking at the comparison of the products. What's been mentioned by you is the lack of efficacy of past treatments like fraxel. That is the only comparable acne scar procedure you have listed and it still pales in comparison to what ACell will ultimately do for any open wound. It's as if you haven't even been reading our posts for the last 10 or so pages. ACell is unlike any treatment that has been used for our cosmetic needs. This pure ecm attracts your own stem cells to the site of wounding in order to propagate the dermal appendage. You are dismissing all logic when you compare this treatment to anything else. Sure you are looking for true examples of success, but what has to happen first is that people like us must contact doctors to get the product circulated. When you throw out a comment like that, who is that really helping? No one. So stop trolling and move along.

 

/argument

 

Time will tell.

Hmm, I've got some new news. I contacted the doctor from California regarding his applications of ACell. It turns out that he is not actually using ACell on existing strip scars, rather he is just applying ACell to wounds created from fresh FUE Transplant surgeries. Which I guess is pretty much as good as using it on existing scars, seeing how these procedures are excisions.

 

So, I bet you're all wondering how it's looking...

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.

.

Haha, sorry I had to have a little fun. the Dr. told me that it's too early to tell and he has just been applying it to his recent patients who have undergone the FUE transplants, so he does not know how well ACell works in preventing the formation of strip scars on the scalp. He told me to call him back in a few weeks and he could give me a better idea about how effective ACell is.

 

Dammit, I just realized that I didn't ask him how he's applying it in his procedure. I'll have to ask him that when I call back.

 

I was quite amazed that I was able to talk directly to the doctor, I think that's the first time I've ever been able to talk with a doctor over the phone. That's what the medical system needs, that is, better patient accessibility.

 

By the way, this doctor and the other doctor from New York are definitely not low grade doctors, these guys seem like they run state of the art clinics. They both have fancy web pages and are the head honchos at their practice. They're likely making fortunes.

 

I don't really want to give out the names right now because I thought it was amazing that the doctor would take my call directly, I worry that he would potentially be inundated with phone calls if I did. That being said, I'd give it out in a private message. Tell me if you want it.

 

I'm calling the doctor in New York on monday, I didn't get off work early enough to catch him since he's on eastern time.

If the results work and the hair grew back then we have proof that acell works for scars. Im pretty sure the derm has no reason to reject trying it on the face unless the skin on the face and scalp is radically different( which i dont think so )

I can't wait for the results from this FUE transplant! I will most likely be in bandages when we hear about the outcome though... literally, I can't wait.

If the results work and the hair grew back then we have proof that acell works for scars. Im pretty sure the derm has no reason to reject trying it on the face unless the skin on the face and scalp is radically different( which i dont think so )

The skin on the face is much more complex. For Acell to work, the wound may have to be great and deep, and wounding the face that far can do more harm than good.

So someone humor me, so we will know if Acell works in one month? Why do I have a feeling that this doctor hoursafter talked to will be unreachable in a few weeks?

Naitch, Fraxel and ECM are apples and oranges.

Since when has fraxel been central to the regeneration of every tissue on your body, since when has fraxel stopped your mothers womb from rejecting you?

Naitch, correct me if im wrong, but I think strip scar has no hair growing as the hair follicles has been damaged. Therefore, excising it and applying acell to allow it to regenerate properly is the cure. Im very sure the hair follicles extend quite deep, to the dermis in fact. Therefore if the wound does close and the hair regrown, I think it would be impressive.

I can't get over how ignorant you are Naitch, haha, you're a character.

 

Why on earth would an established doctor who's making a fortune suddenly become unavailable? They're just going to pick up their practice and move? Yeah, SoCal is such a bad location for plastic surgery, they're going to switch off their phones and move to Idaho. Go back to community college you idiot. I'm sick of you're lack of logic, this is the last response I post to any of your comments because it's just a waste of time because you are so ignorant to logic that it's not worth it. I hope you never have to fight a lawsuit because you have no logical or comprehensive reasoning in you.

 

Use your fucking head, can imagine a scenario in which a doctor becomes unavailable suddenly? Unless this guy commits a felony in the next month, I think he'll be pretty darn reachable at his office. Otherwise, his whole stream of sustenance is cut off. How does a plastic surgeon survive without accessibility? Do you think before you say anything? You have to be in high school, junior college, or an art major. There is no other explanation. People like you make me tempted to not give results. In fact, at this point, I'm highly considering giving all information I dig up on a message basis, that is, you can message me for updates. Stop fucking around and be helpful.

 

By the way, what makes you think the skin on your scalp is different than the face other than the fact that your face is more important aesthetically to you. Do you have any proof to back up your statements? This is what I'm talking about, you need to have some evidence behind your statements.

The skin on your face is different because it's much more delicate. This is why getting a cyst on your thigh heals much better with no scarring opposed to having it on your face, which takes a lot longer to heal and can leave a scar.

hoursafter, I'm just sick of my scars and apologize for lashing out at you. The scars have affected me so bad that if fraxel doesn't work for me I'm thinking about getting a nose job to look better. I don't know, I hope Acell is our savior. How long until we know the results?

I can't get over how ignorant you are Naitch, haha, you're a character.

 

Why on earth would an established doctor who's making a fortune suddenly become unavailable? They're just going to pick up their practice and move? Yeah, SoCal is such a bad location for plastic surgery, they're going to switch off their phones and move to Idaho. Go back to community college you idiot. I'm sick of you're lack of logic, this is the last response I post to any of your comments because it's just a waste of time because you are so ignorant to logic that it's not worth it. I hope you never have to fight a lawsuit because you have no logical or comprehensive reasoning in you.

 

Use your fucking head, can imagine a scenario in which a doctor becomes unavailable suddenly? Unless this guy commits a felony in the next month, I think he'll be pretty darn reachable at his office. Otherwise, his whole stream of sustenance is cut off. How does a plastic surgeon survive without accessibility? Do you think before you say anything? You have to be in high school, junior college, or an art major. There is no other explanation. People like you make me tempted to not give results. In fact, at this point, I'm highly considering giving all information I dig up on a message basis, that is, you can message me for updates. Stop fucking around and be helpful.

 

By the way, what makes you think the skin on your scalp is different than the face other than the fact that your face is more important aesthetically to you. Do you have any proof to back up your statements? This is what I'm talking about, you need to have some evidence behind your statements.

 

The skin on your face is different because it's much more delicate. This is why getting a cyst on your thigh heals much better with no scarring opposed to having it on your face, which takes a lot longer to heal and can leave a scar.

 

 

hoursafter, I'm just sick of my scars and apologize for lashing out at you. The scars have affected me so bad that if fraxel doesn't work for me I'm thinking about getting a nose job to look better. I don't know, I hope Acell is our savior. How long until we know the results?

 

Hey hoursafter and Naitch, I think both of you guys dont mean nothing bad and its just a misunderstanding. Naitch must have been very pessimistic due to the reason that during the years he/she had scarring he have seen lots of suppossed cures like Fraxel etc which does not bring much results. I can totally understand that. Hoursafter, I think ure a little harsh with your language too.

All in all, we should make peace, we are all scar sufferers. We unite with the intention of sharing information with each other and to realise our goal of getting rid of scars. This was slowly turning to a personal attack between you two.

Also, I just wanted to ask hoursafter, when did the doctor treated the patients with the strip scars and how long before we will see the results? Maybe, he would have an answer of whether what works for our scalps will work for our face.

Also, contrary to what you said, Naitch Ive had large cysts on my face for a few days and generally they dont scar. But those that lasted for months does( You can see the time period involved ). Also, Ive had accidentally scrapped my hand against a table edge and it resulted in an obvious scar, that means other parts of our body doesnt have a less proability of scarring.

tgan is right. we shouldn't fight. I still choose to be a pessimist with acel. But I, as much as you want to rid myself of these ugly scars. So we have a common-goal.

Again, I apologize. You and a couple others are the only ones trying to lead us into victory with Acell, so the least I should do is show you some respect whether I think know the outcome or not. Again, when do you think we will have a clear answer on Acell?

Again, I apologize. You and a couple others are the only ones trying to lead us into victory with Acell, so the least I should do is show you some respect whether I think know the outcome or not. Again, when do you think we will have a clear answer on Acell?

Apology accepted. We should have definite answers by the end of October. September is pushing it. We have enough testers to report back before Halloween though.

[Apology accepted. We should have definite answers by the end of October. September is pushing it. We have enough testers to report back before Halloween though.

That long? I thought we had the people testing it on stip scars at the start of August, and the healing time shouldnt take that long for a small excision, I thought maybe at most a month. To tell you frankly, I was hoping if there was some kind of treatment I would able to do it on September as this period are my holidays.

So is the "human medical grade" of Acell out yet or is it the animal version they are using on humans?

So would someone need a dermabrasion and then this stuff applied to work? Or maybe a dermabrasion alone doesn't damage the skin well enough for acell to kick it.

[Apology accepted. We should have definite answers by the end of October. September is pushing it. We have enough testers to report back before Halloween though.

 

That long? I thought we had the people testing it on stip scars at the start of August, and the healing time shouldnt take that long for a small excision, I thought maybe at most a month. To tell you frankly, I was hoping if there was some kind of treatment I would able to do it on September as this period are my holidays.

 

tgan, to be honest with you the earliest we'll see use of Acell is in January, I believe (if the product does what we hope it'll do). After Acell is confirmed to work on the scar, the next step will be to find ways to effectively damage the skin since the skin on your face is thinner, more delecate. 2nd would be to find a derm to do this. If this product indeed works for this strip scar, I will tell my derm personally. My derm is high in rank in Arizona, and a passionate individual. If I can show him documents (printed from the net) that this stuff has potential, he may be able to order Acell and give it a try on his patients. I of course wouldn't mind being his guinea pig. If no derm in the valley will do this procedure then I will probably travel to the other states for winter break and have the procedure done there. But in the meantime, let's see what it does for this strip scar.

My hope is that since the face seems to be easier to scar that once products are developed that hinder the cascade of events that results in scarring, that scars on the face will be easier to reverse/prevent. After all if the face is more sensitive to scarring ...then all you would have to do is make the skin on the face behave more like the skin elsewhere on the body. For example if you had a pock mark on your hip ...it would take a lot more ablative energy and a highly sophisticated hindereance of scarring to regenerate...however a pock mark on the face might need less energy to be ablated and less of a hinderance of the scarring cascade...just enough to be like other parts of the body.

That being said Mike Manning's discussion about how they pan on testing Acell in our predicament just doesn't seem right for me. I can just look at my scars and just tell that excision isn't going to work for me ...my scars are too bunched together it would be too tedious etc. I know what needs to be done. I need an ablation of the scarred area and regeneration. Cutting out each individual scar isn't going to work for me since I'm fairly confident that the scar tissue around each depression overlaps with the scar tissue of the next.