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Well if you know of ways to remove hypertrophic scars then I'm all ears.
Here is an example ive found:
There are other examples ive seen before, where after removal of the scars ( at least in pictures ) the face looks normal . I couldnt for the sake of me remember where ive seen it. But if i do, i would post it here.
this thread seems to be dieing down a little, has anyone talked to mike manning, or any other acell representative with any news at all?
Yea, doesnt sound like good news. I dont live in the US, so im pinning my hopes on u guys. Didnt someone said they will trying talking to derms/surgeons about using acell on scars? What were their opinions like? Is it feasible?
I just got off the phone with Mr. Manning and wow that guy is helpful. If this stuff ends up working, and even if it doesn't, we all owe this guy a huge thank you for putting up with all phone calls he's had to endure from us pestering him because of the lack of information. For one man to handle customer service even though that's probably not even his primary job is amazing.
He told me that he's given the product to two doctors who plan on using it for strip scars in hair transplant surgery. One doctor is located in California and the other travels between Toronto and New York City (thus the confusion about their locations). He didn't mention anything about any other doctors or any in North Carolina and he did try to convince me to talk my doctors into ordering the product.
If you want the names of the doctors, send me a message, if there's enough of an outcry over this I'll post it on here. I have pretty limited contact information about the guy from California.
Finally, we discussed the ways in which these doctors plan on using it. He believes the doctors will be using the excision method. That is, cutting out the scar and applying the ACell. This is where it gets tricky. Based on the size of the scar and whatever other factors, he believes the doctor will either apply a bandage or seal type thing over the wound after covering with ACell, or they will use a suture to seal the wound, or they will use a combination of the two, using a matrix/bandage to cover and then suture around. I didn't really get that method. I like the no suture method, although I'm not really sure which one would lead to less scarring. I guess it might depend on the location and size of the scar. It's all really tricky and who knows how effective if at all this may be.
Bottom line, everyone talk to their dermatologists asap and see if they would be open to testing ACell, even if you don't personally want to try it, others in your area may be good candidates and be willing. The more doctors that have it means the more information and results we get. I'm going to see my dermatologist tomorrow and another in a month. Get on your horses!
Hey hoursafter, great! It is effort from people like you that makes bigger things happen.
Also Ive come across an interesting article about regenerative medicine. It is not about scarless healing, but rather that of a rat's heart organ. Well basically, the scientists took out the heart of a dead rat, inject it with the cells of a live rat and stimulate it electrically to get in beating.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=4133154&page=1
Im very sure that in the mid termed future we would eventually grow our own organs using our stem cells and replace them( through means of an organ printer ) without risk of rejection and any complication whatsoever.
Look @ this site. http://cordblood.com/video/cbs/20080206_regenl.wmv .
If u go to this site they have alot of info on stem cell research. http://www.stemcellnews.com/articles.htm
The problem is stem cell research still has years ago in terms of scars. This Acell is the only chance we have in the meantime.
And what about Vavelta or Juvista? Vavelta showed promising results in trials, but did not erase acne scars completely. I think we can only improve our scars next time with new solutions like Vavelta, which has been tested against acne scars. Acell did not make such trials and will in my mind not used against acne scars in the next time. Unlike burn scar sufferer nobody will cut a face with only a few pits and apply acell on it. I think acell will only be useable in fluid form(so that somebody can inject it into the face) and in connection with digesting enzymes to dissolve the old scar tissue. But today acell is not avaible in fluid form and the trials will also take long time. So we should not wait half of our life till perfect solutions will be avaible but try to improve our scars.
Sorry, but I'm using common-sense now. If this thing had the capabality to wipe our scars sooooo much better than fraxel than all derms woluld've caught on, news of this would be on the news, and would spread all over the world like wild-fire. On top of that there wouldn't be any need to "push" this product on our derms if it was such a great product. I think it can help heal scars, but not much better than lasers.
I think its a bit premature to completely give up on acell yet or derms not knowing about it. It even says on their website:
Human Medical Solutions
Medical devices for human use are not currently available from ACell. Register now on our Contact Us page to receive updates on clinical trials and release dates for our medical devices.
I doubt any of us would have even heard of it if we didn't regularly visit an obscure sub-forum on an acne website. I think Acell could be similar to botox in the way that plastic surgeons are constantly finding new ways to use it, far from what it was originally intended to do.
Sorry, but I'm using common-sense now. If this thing had the capabality to wipe our scars sooooo much better than fraxel than all derms woluld've caught on, news of this would be on the news, and would spread all over the world like wild-fire. On top of that there wouldn't be any need to "push" this product on our derms if it was such a great product. I think it can help heal scars, but not much better than lasers.
I agree. If the product was really producing 100% scarless tissue regeneration, there would be a whole lot of stories then the one finger growing back. Still we can hope.
Sorry, but I'm using common-sense now. If this thing had the capabality to wipe our scars sooooo much better than fraxel than all derms woluld've caught on, news of this would be on the news, and would spread all over the world like wild-fire. On top of that there wouldn't be any need to "push" this product on our derms if it was such a great product. I think it can help heal scars, but not much better than lasers.
I agree. If the product was really producing 100% scarless tissue regeneration, there would be a whole lot of stories then the one finger growing back. Still we can hope.
I dont know but I think the derms are not convinced because they do not know much about acell and just cant believe that is possible to regenerate tissue that effectively.
Look at this pic:
http://www.acell.com/lucille.php
You can even see the bone showing on the wound. Its as deep as any wound can go and we DO NOT even need to excise to that level to get rid of the scar tissue. Applying acell, the wound totally regenerated and fur growed FULLY back with no indications of any scarring.
theres two things possible from here:
Either the pic/story is a fake or acell really DOES have the capabilities to regenerate soft tissue...
Sorry, but I'm using common-sense now. If this thing had the capabality to wipe our scars sooooo much better than fraxel than all derms woluld've caught on, news of this would be on the news, and would spread all over the world like wild-fire. On top of that there wouldn't be any need to "push" this product on our derms if it was such a great product. I think it can help heal scars, but not much better than lasers.
I agree. If the product was really producing 100% scarless tissue regeneration, there would be a whole lot of stories then the one finger growing back. Still we can hope.
I dont know but I think the derms are not convinced because they do not know much about acell and just cant believe that is possible to regenerate tissue that effectively.
Look at this pic:
http://www.acell.com/lucille.php
You can even see the bone showing on the wound. Its as deep as any wound can go and we DO NOT even need to excise to that level to get rid of the scar tissue. Applying acell, the wound totally regenerated and fur growed FULLY back with no indications of any scarring.
theres two things possible from here:
Either the pic/story is a fake or acell really DOES have the capabilities to regenerate soft tissue...
I don't know, maybe the photo was taken in good lighting!?
Also, I am not sure how non-humans heal.
Humans and non-humans should heal about the same, however, you can't really tell from the picture whether it was completely scarless.
Also, stop arguing the point that everyone would know about it by now. It doesn't make sense for everyone to know about a small niche company that has only two customers after starting up to be world famous medical rock stars.
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-36474.html
This is very, very exciting... He has added more to my expectation to what I've already new that ECM regenerates the tissue that is local to it.
With the hole in heart marker of a lesser ECM I'm now completely expecting regereration of tissues way above 95%...
Sorry, but I'm using common-sense now. If this thing had the capabality to wipe our scars sooooo much better than fraxel than all derms woluld've caught on, news of this would be on the news, and would spread all over the world like wild-fire. On top of that there wouldn't be any need to "push" this product on our derms if it was such a great product. I think it can help heal scars, but not much better than lasers.
If you are confident in a product you do not need to rely much on advertising...
Kirk, was there a specific reply in there that spurred your post?
Nothing what so ever, just posting info I have found that reinforces the informed logic I have on universal pure ECM in how it is, 'universal,' in how it regenerates all local tissues, in how this same stuff is used in all mammals, reptiles and animals in regeneration. In how it is central in regeneration of every body tissue...
This backs up everything...
I would have posted this before the recent posts.
Sorry, but I'm using common-sense now. If this thing had the capabality to wipe our scars sooooo much better than fraxel than all derms woluld've caught on, news of this would be on the news, and would spread all over the world like wild-fire. On top of that there wouldn't be any need to "push" this product on our derms if it was such a great product. I think it can help heal scars, but not much better than lasers.
I agree. If the product was really producing 100% scarless tissue regeneration, there would be a whole lot of stories then the one finger growing back. Still we can hope.
I dont know but I think the derms are not convinced because they do not know much about acell and just cant believe that is possible to regenerate tissue that effectively.
Look at this pic:
http://www.acell.com/lucille.php
You can even see the bone showing on the wound. Its as deep as any wound can go and we DO NOT even need to excise to that level to get rid of the scar tissue. Applying acell, the wound totally regenerated and fur growed FULLY back with no indications of any scarring.
theres two things possible from here:
Either the pic/story is a fake or acell really DOES have the capabilities to regenerate soft tissue...
I don't know, maybe the photo was taken in good lighting!?
Also, I am not sure how non-humans heal.
The description said that the wound totally closed and the fur regenerated TOTALLY. Cats and Humans are mammals, and mammals have the same scarring response. Therefore, I said there can only be two outcomes, either this whole pic/story is a scam or it CAN regenerate tissues.
Humans and non-humans should heal about the same, however, you can't really tell from the picture whether it was completely scarless.
Also, stop arguing the point that everyone would know about it by now. It doesn't make sense for everyone to know about a small niche company that has only two customers after starting up to be world famous medical rock stars.
Hoursafter, im pretty sure it was scarless as they said there was complete regrowth of fur. If there was any scarring, the fur wouldnt have grown around the scarred area.
My questions always return to what the true definition of scarless healing really is. I've seen pictures of some things that claim to be scarless but the wound still looks unnatural and / or waxy. Also, I don't know if fur can or can not grow out of scars, or around them enough to hide it, all I know is that I can't really see the wound to judge it's effectiveness because it is obstructed on that darn cat. (Chris Tucker!)
Naitch "acell will be forgotten in a few months"
This type of comment serves no purpose, if you think that ACell will not work then fine, but back it up with facts and give us some real info. Did you see someone who had these acell treatments done who's scars were unaffected? No? Then shut the fuck up unless you have information, logic, reasoning, or productive in any way. I don't care if it detracts or aids the argument, just get us closer to knowledge.
Kirk, I mean, was there any specific post in that forum that you linked to that you meant for us to read, the one that I was directed to when I clicked on the link seemed pretty bland. Basically it was just a thank you for writing letter. Was there something else?
My questions always return to what the true definition of scarless healing really is. I've seen pictures of some things that claim to be scarless but the wound still looks unnatural and / or waxy. Also, I don't know if fur can or can not grow out of scars, or around them enough to hide it, all I know is that I can't really see the wound to judge it's effectiveness because it is obstructed on that darn cat. (Chris Tucker!)
Naitch "acell will be forgotten in a few months"
This type of comment serves no purpose, if you think that ACell will not work then fine, but back it up with facts and give us some real info. Did you see someone who had these acell treatments done who's scars were unaffected? No? Then shut the fuck up unless you have information, logic, reasoning, or productive in any way. I don't care if it detracts or aids the argument, just get us closer to knowledge.
Kirk, I mean, was there any specific post in that forum that you linked to that you meant for us to read, the one that I was directed to when I clicked on the link seemed pretty bland. Basically it was just a thank you for writing letter. Was there something else?
Non what so ever. I'm just posting a link to information like I have and many have in the past. If I reply to someone 9 times out of 10 I will put in their name. Or make sure they are quoted etc.
hoursafter, I think you and Acell have to give us "proof" that it is beneficial for acne scarring. I don't think it's the other way around where I have to prove to you it doesn't. There's no proof it works for acne scarring, if there is let me see pictures. Fact of the matter is there are many things out there that are THEORIZED to work for scarring such as stem-cell research, accupuncture, ecm, even rosehip oil. But fact of the matter is there aren't before/after pics, as well as well document clinical trials, so they have not caught on with cosmetic doctors. This thread a long with Acell will drag for a while and people all together will forget about it in a a few months. Fast-forward to a year, and there will be another procedure/product that will give us hope, only to be forgot about it as well. That's how it works, my friend.
Naitch "acell will be forgotten in a few months"
You know there was a guy who say the automobile is only for entertainment purpose for the rich and is a passing fad. The horse is to remain. Look where is it now.
Also before televison was popular, another guy said( something along that line ), " Who would want to stare at a box for hours everyday? ". We have many guys doing that everyday now. ie. couch potatoes...
Even if acell doesnt fully serve our purpose, im 100% sure it will still has enormous benefits for the medical sector.
Naitch, I am not your friend. If this would have been your original post, it would have been far more acceptable. I'm not saying your side has anything to prove, but that doesn't mean you can say things that interfere with the knowledge we all seek from this forum with your inane comments. There are a lot of reasons to believe ACell won't work, probably way more so than to believe it will, however, your doom and gloom comments are just pointless.