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When it comes to terms like split thickness skin graft and full thickness skin graft it actually relates to the donor skin not the initial injury. Thats where the confusion is. Full thickness graft takes everything including the follicle and will not look like scar tissue when placed in the injury site accept the margins. Also notes there is very limited FTSG that can be taken because it creates a new injury. They are only taken from the groin as a rule. A split thickness skin graft only takes abit of the dermal layer and epidermis (but can vary in thickness) and is used on deep 2nd and 3rd degree burns. This is why they look like scar tissue anr not normal skin as there is not all layers of the skin and appendges in the donor tissue.
So back to the point. When somones 3rd degree burn treated with a STSG is removed, underneath is the original full thickness injury. Im sure the surgeons would have 'debrided' the site after removal of graft. Myself, i have a STSG with a synthetic dermis made of aninal collagen. Underneath that is my fat which was uninjured. So this guy might be in the same situation. It doesnt say a split thickness incision was made it says split thickness skin graft was removed. Remaining scar tissue is in fat layer which paitet quite rightly didnt want removed as it was not badly damaged.
Yes so basically the same as everything I had commented on as well. Its nice that we interpreted it the same way for the most part. The STSG is indeed referring to the previous donor skin and not the actual depth of extracted skin so it could be a full thickness excision still and again the scar tissue left behind was probably minimal and pertaining to the subcutaneous fat or hypodermis so there can still be underlying scar tissue with a full thickness excision, but it was not excised for any of the possible reasons stated above.
Good to know youve had personal experience with this as well thanks for sharing that info.
I am not sure wether this is scarless healing but definitely a scientific achievement if it works on humans.
http://www.techbriefs.tv/video/Elastic-Squirtable-Surgical-Glu
I am not sure wether this is scarless healing but definitely a scientific achievement if it works on humans.
http://www.techbriefs.tv/video/Elastic-Squirtable-Surgical-Glu
Do you know Tissue Nanotransfection (TNT)
http://osuwmc.multimedia-newsroom.com/index.php/2017/08/07/breakthrough-device-heals-wounds-in-lab-tests-with-a-single-touch/
have you had a rhinoplasty?
21 hours ago, jobslhw said:
have you had a rhinoplasty?
On 3/19/2018 at 4:42 PM, jobslhw said:Do you know Tissue Nanotransfection (TNT)
http://osuwmc.multimedia-newsroom.com/index.php/2017/08/07/breakthrough-device-heals-wounds-in-lab-tests-with-a-single-touch/
This is interesting, they can program the living adult cells to any kind of cells they want. Theoretically, this could reprogram scarred tissue to normal healthy tissue maybe? This is also a non-invasive method.
somebody look this ..this company is now going into phase 3 trial and they designed their product for all preexisting scars..specially acne scars
20 hours ago, Anish004 said:somebody look this ..this company is now going into phase 3 trial and they designed their product for all preexisting scars..specially acne scars
This is not scarless healing though.
That's actually quite old, IIRC known as Vavelta:
https://www.truthinaging.com/review/vavelta-the-future-for-foreskin
Artice from 2008... I think it's already available now in fact.
Skinte is really the best chance because you need true skin regeneration, not more inferior products hitting the market providing small improvements . PolarityTe have claimed true regeneration with SkinTe and got those results in swine models.
We have seen cautious approach with humans thus far. It might be hard to judge given the use on bad burn scars but any signs of true regenration with scarless skin will be huge for Acne scar sufferers. We have already seen such signs with split thickness graft in 10 year old boy. With propogation into scar tissue that was noted in swine models yes but remember that scar tissue was left untouched. Im sure breaking up scar tissue to create a fresh wound/bed under skin in dermis for acne scars will allow skinte to move in and regenerate normal skin.
Heres to hoping future images coming through are full thickness wounds or some smaller wounds/scars where scar tissue is completely removed or disrupted before skinte applied and seeing good results. Then a nation wide full scale roll out in 2019 when people can use this with safer less invasive methods for cosmetic issues like acne scars.
56 minutes ago, Sniffy said:Skinte is really the best chance because you need true skin regeneration, not more inferior products hitting the market providing small improvements . PolarityTe have claimed true regeneration with SkinTe and got those results in swine models.
Sorry, but we can't find a doctor that believes those claims are true about SkinTE. You can't even find a doctor that is willing to use it for scars because they believe it does not work for removing or reducing scars. And I mean any scar. Acne scars aside...not for it all 
13 hours ago, surgical scar said:Sorry, but we can't find a doctor that believes those claims are true about SkinTE. You can't even find a doctor that is willing to use it for scars because they believe it does not work for removing or reducing scars. And I mean any scar. Acne scars aside...not for it all
What doctors said this??? Only a handful of Doctors are allowed to use it atm in a few hospitals so any other doctor in the world who has never used SkinTe and claims it doesnt work is making an absolute judgement call.
Also this doesnt make sense saying you cant find a doctor who will use it for scars...I assume your referring to Dr Mundinger telling a couple people here he cant reccomend SkinTe atm for their acne scars/scars at this time. Yet he is same doctor who removed scarred skin graft for young boy, be it split thickness they were aiming to prevent contraction and keloids forming (not scarless complete skin).....and so far it looks like it has worked for them. We now understand why they took that approach removing only part of damaged skin.
We all know the reasons why the select few Doctors who use it wont offer it to people with cosmetic issues seeking elective procedure. Its in trial phase for one
Someone here spoke about sunogel? Ive looked into that and personally think it sounds like the best 'method' if it works for minimal complications and is one of safest bets.
Although i got really into the Polarity hype i dont think there is going to be many doctors willing to gut out someones skin to fill it back up with skinte. Plus you still need a donor site and the face is difficult in that the skin is different all over the face. You dont want leg on ya cheeks! For burns its different becauase you need a method to cover to prevent death and we dont know if any faces have been used?? (Please say if you know). Polarity also are mainly concerned with function.
With sunogel there are same great links people have put here with topical products in clinical trials. It sounds like the science is here but its now just a race to get it perfected.
For me, unless skinte is 95% perfect its not worth the risks.
35 minutes ago, nikki_gargin said:Someone here spoke about sunogel? Ive looked into that and personally think it sounds like the best 'method' if it works for minimal complications and is one of safest bets.
Although i got really into the Polarity hype i dont think there is going to be many doctors willing to gut out someones skin to fill it back up with skinte. Plus you still need a donor site and the face is difficult in that the skin is different all over the face. You dont want leg on ya cheeks! For burns its different becauase you need a method to cover to prevent death and we dont know if any faces have been used?? (Please say if you know). Polarity also are mainly concerned with function.
With sunogel there are same great links people have put here with topical products in clinical trials. It sounds like the science is here but its now just a race to get it perfected.
For me, unless skinte is 95% perfect its not worth the risks.
I still cant imagine anyones face will be cut open and replaced with SkinTe. Thats drastic and unrealistic. However I do believe with most acne scars being affected by damage to dermis Derivatives are being produced for smaller defects. Many people report how their scars dissapeared right after treatment because of micro swelling and released scar tissue. But the eventual contraction again makes those scars reappear. If SkinTe prevents Contraction its a huge win. Blending the surface texture to match native skin im less sure about but time will tell.
5 hours ago, nikki_gargin said:Polarity also are mainly concerned with function.
With sunogel there are same great links people have put here with topical products in clinical trials. It sounds like the science is here but its now just a race to get it perfected.
For me, unless skinte is 95% perfect its not worth the risks.
Forget 95%. Doctors using it dont promise any improvement for scars and no one will touch a scar with skinTE ona 10 feet pole. SkinTE will consider itself very lucky to get the skin graft reconstructive market, and wont bother with the liability of cosmetic market.
The magical different derivatives are all dreamy talk, and we dont have a sign its going to be developed anytime soon next year.
Our best bet is Sunogel. Start inquiring about Sunogel clinical trials instead. The problem is we dont know when theyre going to get serious about it. They need more motivation and investors perhaps.
29 minutes ago, Anish004 said:PolarityTe said on their website in a article that skinTe is being used for burns . wounds.skin grafts . scar revisions...so what they mean by scar revision...be hopeful guyz
So you believe company hype as opposed to reality? No doctor has used it for cosmetic scar revision. They won't.
1 hour ago, surgical scar said:So you believe company hype as opposed to reality? No doctor has used it for cosmetic scar revision. They won't.
Lol. Why is everyone in this thread assuming that they have any inkling of how this product will be used? Everyone seems to have very unqualified and arbitrary opinions on whether this can be used for cosmetic purposes. What a pointless discussion.