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5 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:First off, I can't say if it's a farce or not. I am just saying that they are presenting us with a great product which we have yet to see results. They posted some pics on the Internet and every one here is super extatic. There was also a paper that came out suggesting that some scientists managed to convert fibroblasts into fat cells which regenerated skin. I have no idea if both Polarity and the researchers of the paper work together.
As for baldness, scarring has nothing to do with that. The hair from the follicules stop growing because of male hormones. You will need to remove the testosterone completely from the hair follicule. This may more difficult to achieve. Hair transplants are there but in the past, they used to cut a healthy piece of skin from your scalp which resulted in a hideous scar. Now they are extracting hairs from the scalp and putting them on the bald spots.
You're right baldness has nothing to do with scarring. It's myofibroblasts by the way that get converted into adipose fat which allows for hair follicles to be regenerated which then allows healthy skin to regenerate as well. Dr. Costarelis said that hair and skin regenerate separately but not independently. So although baldness and scarring don't have much relation to each other there is one major thing that they have in common: They're both part of the integumentary system. So it makes sense to me that different researchers across the world have all been able to regenerate both skin and hair as well in pre-clinical studies. PolarityTE seems like it crossed the finish line first. Whether those hair follicles are resistant to miniaturization is another story.
5 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:There are many factors you need to consider such as rejection. Even if it's made from your own skin, your body can still reject it as foreign. They claim there's no rejection but proven results are yet to be seen. Also what about wound infection?
You'll probably have to read into their investor presentation as well as watch and read some interviews with the CEO himself about the product. From what I've researched at least is that the body won't reject it because it's not just autologous tissue that they're using, but homologous growth factors. Their 3D Platform Technology isn't used to inject some foreign things into the tissue. It's just used to expand the skin from the biopsy they've obtained. Also if you think about it, anything at all that constitutes wounding or surgery has a risk of infection. I'm pretty sure it'll be common practice to sterilize equipment and clean the area. There's always the risk.
5 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:They can receive FDA grants. They are trying to develop something new. I don't see why the FDA wouldn't support them. As you said burn scars are hideous. It could help many.
They already registered with the FDA and announced commercialization by the end of 2017. The FDA didn't require them to even go through their phase trials which could take years to complete. They're already set as far as this goes.
5 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:All I am saying is that we can be optimistic but let's wait before we jump to conclusions.
You're right we shouldn't jump to conclusions until we have seen actual human results.
5 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:And what happened to existing scars and scar tissue? I have some scars that are 15 years old.How canSkinTE work on these? I guess I'll put some gel on my scar and overnight my skin will be good as new with no scar in the morning.
That tells me you definitely don't know how SkinTE works. There's no need for a smart remark. If you don't know how it works just ask.
On 10/5/2017 at 3:17 PM, damnBOY said:lol if you believe sunogel will solve outr problems these guys are slow and it will propably take years and years for market entry......skinte is the only way
don't put other things in your mind....focus on skinte....polarity shows us scarless healing and skin regeneration and their product is going for market entry and now you tell us about sunogel which is in preclinical trials hydrogel is a drug so it will take years and years for fda approval...I tell you now don't give a sh!t about the margin the margin is on microscope is smaller than a hair follicle and it happened because the polarity guys did a full excision of the skin ...for the treatment of your acne scars and scar revision skinte will work with propagation not grafting.....(sorry for my English)
I wouldn't put all my eggs in 1 basket. Although I'm hopeful for SkinTE I would much rather have multiple companies working to achieve this incase SkinTE fails for whatever reason.
The "Propagation" argument isn't fully known yet. I'd hope you were right, but one thing is for sure: A skin biopsy will be taken from you so there will be at least one excision involved. Only a small piece is required to cover these big wounds but nonetheless, it's still a piece that will be excised from your body and then expanded through them to the appropriate size of the wound they're treating.
2 hours ago, Tano1 said:I wouldn't put all my eggs in 1 basket. Although I'm hopeful for SkinTE I would much rather have multiple companies working to achieve this incase SkinTE fails for whatever reason.
you think what of the breaking news of sunogel ? Apparently, they have regenerate pig skin perfectly. I'm hopeful for skinte, but I am satisfied if of other company manages to make the same thing as skinte to see better.
In a couple of weeks we will know if SkinTE can be the ultimate cure for our suffering.
I'm optimistic but even if it regenrates skin, how long should we wait until this will be used for acne scarring? Let's remember it's developed for severe burns so initially it won't be used to fix acne scars
they said approval from FDA ...this means they have completed human trial ?
8 minutes ago, Anish004 said:they said approval from FDA ...this means they have completed human trial ?
It has been approved for human use so I am assuming that human trials have been completed. They should be publishing very shortly I'm assuming.
On 7.10.2017 at 3:19 AM, Anonymouz1 said:Nobody dies from scarring either unless you get internal scarring which causes organ functional loss. For example, scar tissue in the heart makes you susceptible for another heart attack and scar tissue weakens your muscles.On the skin, scars don't harm you in any way. They are a cosmetic nuisance if anything. Sometimes people get keloids but those people are few and mostly of African descent. Keloids can grow quite large and cause discomfort. As for burns scars or contracture scars, they cause immobility but with medical advancements, you can regain some movement back.
Also face transplants are becoming quite common for facial disfigurement. However, most people take anti rejection medication. That right there is enough to tell you that you have no idea how this SkinTE product can cause your body to react. Your new skin grown in some lab might be treated as foreign and your body might attack it. There is much things we still don't know about our immune systems. Even your own skin grafts can be rejected as foreign by your own body. Many burn victims cannot get skin grafts because of body rejection complications.
I can assure that up to 90% of males suffer from male pattern baldness at some point of their lives. The market for a permanent fix is pretty high. Lots of women also suffer from other types of hair loss as well. Losing hair for women can be equally painful as being disfigured.
They have few inexpensive products out there which treat hair loss but no permanent fix like Propecia. They've got nothing for scarring except super expensive lasers or skin surgery which at most gives a minor improvement.
I can assure you they know more about hair then formation of scars. I bet you baldness will be cured before your scars. All I am saying is to be cautious about Polarity or whoever publishes things on the Internet.
The only effective treatment for acne is still the very potent drug Accutane. This was discovered 40 years ago. No other equally as effective treatments have been discovered ever since. Accutane was also found by accident while attempting to treat cancer.
Why don't they focus on effectively curing acne in the first place? They prescribe you a very powerful drug and then they gauge you to fix the depressions or raised scars it leaves behind. There are many people who have serious facial disfigurement from acne. It goes to show you that if they have no permanent fixes for baldness or acne (because some people take Accutane 3 times in their lifetime to clear their skin), I bet you scarless healing is still years away.
You obviously havent read a lot about PolarityTE. The skin doesnt grow in "some lab". The regenerated skin grows directly into your wound. And can not be rejected since it is your own cells. CEO Denver Lough even says this in an interview on Youtube. Secondly, scienties DO try to cure acne. Regeneration of the skin doesnt rule out curing acne.
9 hours ago, Frasier said:You obviously havent read a lot about PolarityTE. The skin doesnt grow in "some lab". The regenerated skin grows directly into your wound. And can not be rejected since it is your own cells. CEO Denver Lough even says this in an interview on Youtube. Secondly, scienties DO try to cure acne. Regeneration of the skin doesnt rule out curing acne.
As I mentioned above, you expect me to believe that some gel will be applied on my 25 year old knee scars and I will have no scars in the morning. I think we are being too optimistic here. Whatever the CEO of polarity says, I don't believe it one bit. Big pharma does not cure but treat, always remember that.
We should however be optimistic and even if scarless healing is achieved in 10 years from now, well most of your scars will be either gone, faded or not that important to you. I don't think scarless healing will be presented as a one fix treatment but you would probably require multiple treatments. The more money you can make the better.
The last attempt to cure acne was made 40 years ago with the discovery of isotretinoin or simply Accutane. Accutane is a very potent drug initially made for cancer treatment. Nothing else has been done since except for antibiotics which most of the time fail to treat acne.
They don't care about acne because it is not life threatening. It's merely a cosmetic problem which they leave for dermatologists or plastic surgeons. These guys are just there to make big bucks and they gauge you to the last penny. Acne sucks and well it can't be cured. It can be treated however wether with the powerful drug Accutane or by simple lifestyle changes. Most of us get it, some of us worse than others and unfortunately we are left with the scars of it. That's where people spend thousands for some minor improvements.
Many people have gone to lead great lives with acne scars however society values beauty so much right now that acne scarring is a major concern. It's sad.
8 minutes ago, Anonymouz1 said:As I mentioned above, you expect me to believe that some gel will be applied on my 25 year old knee scars and I will have no scars in the morning. I think we are being too optimistic here. Whatever the CEO of polarity says, I don't believe it one bit. Big pharma does not cure but treat, always remember that.We should however be optimistic and even if scarless healing is achieved in 10 years from now, well most of your scars will be either gone, faded or not that important to you. I don't think scarless healing will be presented as a one fix treatment but you would probably require multiple treatments. The more money you can make the better.
The last attempt to cure acne was made 40 years ago with the discovery of isotretinoin or simply Accutane. Accutane is a very potent drug initially made for cancer treatment. Nothing else has been done since except for antibiotics which most of the time fail to treat acne.
They don't care about acne because it is not life threatening. It's merely a cosmetic problem which they leave for dermatologists or plastic surgeons. These guys are just there to make big bucks and they gauge you to the last penny. Acne sucks and well it can't be cured. It can be treated however wether with the powerful drug Accutane or by simple lifestyle changes. Most of us get it, some of us worse than others and unfortunately we are left with the scars of it. That's where people spend thousands for some minor improvements.
Many people have gone to lead great lives with acne scars however society values beauty so much right now that acne scarring is a major concern. It's sad.
Why are you even writing post like these? Pessimistic and without even having read what SkinTe is. it doesn't take one night, but three months and results on humans have to be publicizied yet.
If you want to be pessimistic, keep it to yourself
1 hour ago, Anonymouz1 said:As I mentioned above, you expect me to believe that some gel will be applied on my 25 year old knee scars and I will have no scars in the morning. I think we are being too optimistic here. Whatever the CEO of polarity says, I don't believe it one bit. Big pharma does not cure but treat, always remember that.We should however be optimistic and even if scarless healing is achieved in 10 years from now, well most of your scars will be either gone, faded or not that important to you. I don't think scarless healing will be presented as a one fix treatment but you would probably require multiple treatments. The more money you can make the better.
The last attempt to cure acne was made 40 years ago with the discovery of isotretinoin or simply Accutane. Accutane is a very potent drug initially made for cancer treatment. Nothing else has been done since except for antibiotics which most of the time fail to treat acne.
They don't care about acne because it is not life threatening. It's merely a cosmetic problem which they leave for dermatologists or plastic surgeons. These guys are just there to make big bucks and they gauge you to the last penny. Acne sucks and well it can't be cured. It can be treated however wether with the powerful drug Accutane or by simple lifestyle changes. Most of us get it, some of us worse than others and unfortunately we are left with the scars of it. That's where people spend thousands for some minor improvements.
Many people have gone to lead great lives with acne scars however society values beauty so much right now that acne scarring is a major concern. It's sad.
Great. Another negative bullshiter who doesnt even bother to read well-known facts. This was my last reply to you. heading over to the private message board.
1 hour ago, Frasier said:2 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:As I mentioned above, you expect me to believe that some gel will be applied on my 25 year old knee scars and I will have no scars in the morning. I think we are being too optimistic here. Whatever the CEO of polarity says, I don't believe it one bit. Big pharma does not cure but treat, always remember that.We should however be optimistic and even if scarless healing is achieved in 10 years from now, well most of your scars will be either gone, faded or not that important to you. I don't think scarless healing will be presented as a one fix treatment but you would probably require multiple treatments. The more money you can make the better.
The last attempt to cure acne was made 40 years ago with the discovery of isotretinoin or simply Accutane. Accutane is a very potent drug initially made for cancer treatment. Nothing else has been done since except for antibiotics which most of the time fail to treat acne.
They don't care about acne because it is not life threatening. It's merely a cosmetic problem which they leave for dermatologists or plastic surgeons. These guys are just there to make big bucks and they gauge you to the last penny. Acne sucks and well it can't be cured. It can be treated however wether with the powerful drug Accutane or by simple lifestyle changes. Most of us get it, some of us worse than others and unfortunately we are left with the scars of it. That's where people spend thousands for some minor improvements.
Many people have gone to lead great lives with acne scars however society values beauty so much right now that acne scarring is a major concern. It's sad.
Great. Another negative bullshiter who doesnt even bother to read well-known facts. This was my last reply to you. heading over to the private message board.
Cool. If you use profanity in order to share your point of view than no need to argue with me. See ya later.
2 hours ago, SimpleMutton said:Why are you even writing post like these? Pessimistic and without even having read what SkinTe is. it doesn't take one night, but three months and results on humans have to be publicizied yet.
If you want to be pessimistic, keep it to yourself
I'm not pessimistic. I'm sharing my point of view. I read what SkinTE is and what it's supposed to do. I don't believe it one bit. I'm entitled to my opinion.
9 minutes ago, Anonymouz1 said:I'm not pessimistic. I'm sharing my point of view. I read what SkinTE is and what it's supposed to do. I don't believe it one bit. I'm entitled to my opinion.
Thank you for sharing your entitled opinion to us. Unfortunately I'm not convinced that SkinTE is a hoax. The reason being because you have not cited any sources to support your counter-argument, you have not given any specifics of why you believe it won't work other than: "I don't believe it one bit," and you have made a total of 10 posts where at least 5 of those are in this particular thread. Did you make an account just to express your negative outlook on this specific thread? That's completely fine, but please establish a credible reason why it doesn't work.
2 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:The last attempt to cure acne was made 40 years ago with the discovery of isotretinoin or simply Accutane. Accutane is a very potent drug initially made for cancer treatment. Nothing else has been done since except for antibiotics which most of the time fail to treat acne.
That is simply a statement of past events. It's not some obstacle permanently preventing us from advancing. If you want to use an argument like this then I will give you one of my own examples: The automobile was invented in the late 1880s and just a couple of decades later, the wright brothers achieved flight with their own airplane model. A few decades after that people are flying through the sky. And now in the present time, we have fast, powerful, hybrid, flying, electric cars that are just about ready to start driving themselves. Not to mention all the other additions to the car from other innovations such as: watching a movie on the road (passengers only I hope), listening to any song you want pretty much, gps navigation to get to any destination you see fit that even includes traffic jams, alternate routes and weather alerts. Now they're working on flying hoverboards, bikes, and kids can even play with flying drones now.
3 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:As I mentioned above, you expect me to believe that some gel will be applied on my 25 year old knee scars and I will have no scars in the morning. I think we are being too optimistic here. Whatever the CEO of polarity says, I don't believe it one bit. Big pharma does not cure but treat, always remember that.
SkinTE isn't a gel that's applied so I'll have to infer again that you don't know how it works. Their claim is that skin regenerates more skin. Where are you getting that it's a gel? A small amount of skin from a biopsy is expanded and then re-inserted to a wound and is then allowed to undergo the natural healing process. It's not a perfect solution, but it's a major advancement. Just like the automobile, this too can be improved upon itself although it will already be a virtually seamless scar.
3 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:Many people have gone to lead great lives with acne scars however society values beauty so much right now that acne scarring is a major concern. It's sad.
If you don't care to reply to anything else then please at least enlighten me on that specific statement. There are people who could've become great minds and progressed humankind, but are deterred from living such lives or even a healthy life because of disfigurement and depression. I absolutely agree that there are worse things that should be studied and would rather have them cured or at least made treatable like cancer, but there is already MANY researchers/companies/scientists working on that. We don't live in a world with nearly 3.5 billion people anymore like in the 1970s. The population has more than doubled that. We can afford to value not just beauty, but everything else as well.
Just one question though: If it's so sad to you that acne scarring is considered a major concern valued by society, then what are you even doing on an acne/scar forum dedicated to just that?
1 hour ago, Tano1 said:Thank you for sharing your entitled opinion to us. Unfortunately I'm not convinced that SkinTE is a hoax. The reason being because you have not cited any sources to support your counter-argument, you have not given any specifics of why you believe it won't work other than: "I don't believe it one bit," and you have made a total of 10 posts where at least 5 of those are in this particular thread. Did you make an account just to express your negative outlook on this specific thread? That's completely fine, but please establish a credible reason why it doesn't work.That is simply a statement of past events. It's not some obstacle permanently preventing us from advancing. If you want to use an argument like this then I will give you one of my own examples: The automobile was invented in the late 1880s and just a couple of decades later, the wright brothers achieved flight with their own airplane model. A few decades after that people are flying through the sky. And now in the present time, we have fast, powerful, hybrid, flying, electric cars that are just about ready to start driving themselves. Not to mention all the other additions to the car from other innovations such as: watching a movie on the road (passengers only I hope), listening to any song you want pretty much, gps navigation to get to any destination you see fit that even includes traffic jams, alternate routes and weather alerts. Now they're working on flying hoverboards, bikes, and kids can even play with flying drones now.
SkinTE isn't a gel that's applied so I'll have to infer again that you don't know how it works. Their claim is that skin regenerates more skin. Where are you getting that it's a gel? A small amount of skin from a biopsy is expanded and then re-inserted to a wound and is then allowed to undergo the natural healing process. It's not a perfect solution, but it's a major advancement. Just like the automobile, this too can be improved upon itself although it will already be a virtually seamless scar.
If you don't care to reply to anything else then please at least enlighten me on that specific statement. There are people who could've become great minds and progressed humankind, but are deterred from living such lives or even a healthy life because of disfigurement and depression. I absolutely agree that there are worse things that should be studied and would rather have them cured or at least made treatable like cancer, but there is already MANY researchers/companies/scientists working on that. We don't live in a world with nearly 3.5 billion people anymore like in the 1970s. The population has more than doubled that. We can afford to value not just beauty, but everything else as well.
Just one question though: If it's so sad to you that acne scarring is considered a major concern valued by society, then what are you even doing on an acne/scar forum dedicated to just that?
Because he need to pull others down to feel better himself. Just like others did for a long period of time. Take my advice; dont bother. People like him wont listen anyway.
5 hours ago, babylon27 said:I don't thunk sunogel is anything then a way to get investments, now and then a report like this shows up from a small time company, with mice results. Then something optimistic, a few expensive words. they get a lot of moneyIt sounds like fraud to me.
Well, it's more than mice results, also pig results, which claims complete regeneration without a margin. And Sunogel is a finalist among start up companies and they plan on speaking at the Hello Tomorrow Global Summit in Paris in 2 weeks.
6 hours ago, Frasier said:7 hours ago, Tano1 said:Thank you for sharing your entitled opinion to us. Unfortunately I'm not convinced that SkinTE is a hoax. The reason being because you have not cited any sources to support your counter-argument, you have not given any specifics of why you believe it won't work other than: "I don't believe it one bit," and you have made a total of 10 posts where at least 5 of those are in this particular thread. Did you make an account just to express your negative outlook on this specific thread? That's completely fine, but please establish a credible reason why it doesn't work.That is simply a statement of past events. It's not some obstacle permanently preventing us from advancing. If you want to use an argument like this then I will give you one of my own examples: The automobile was invented in the late 1880s and just a couple of decades later, the wright brothers achieved flight with their own airplane model. A few decades after that people are flying through the sky. And now in the present time, we have fast, powerful, hybrid, flying, electric cars that are just about ready to start driving themselves. Not to mention all the other additions to the car from other innovations such as: watching a movie on the road (passengers only I hope), listening to any song you want pretty much, gps navigation to get to any destination you see fit that even includes traffic jams, alternate routes and weather alerts. Now they're working on flying hoverboards, bikes, and kids can even play with flying drones now.
SkinTE isn't a gel that's applied so I'll have to infer again that you don't know how it works. Their claim is that skin regenerates more skin. Where are you getting that it's a gel? A small amount of skin from a biopsy is expanded and then re-inserted to a wound and is then allowed to undergo the natural healing process. It's not a perfect solution, but it's a major advancement. Just like the automobile, this too can be improved upon itself although it will already be a virtually seamless scar.
If you don't care to reply to anything else then please at least enlighten me on that specific statement. There are people who could've become great minds and progressed humankind, but are deterred from living such lives or even a healthy life because of disfigurement and depression. I absolutely agree that there are worse things that should be studied and would rather have them cured or at least made treatable like cancer, but there is already MANY researchers/companies/scientists working on that. We don't live in a world with nearly 3.5 billion people anymore like in the 1970s. The population has more than doubled that. We can afford to value not just beauty, but everything else as well.
Just one question though: If it's so sad to you that acne scarring is considered a major concern valued by society, then what are you even doing on an acne/scar forum dedicated to just that?
Because he need to pull others down to feel better himself. Just like others did for a long period of time. Take my advice; dont bother. People like him wont listen anyway.
You said you were done replying to my posts directly or indirectly. Why do you bother? When you are unable to come up with a good argument you feel the need to berate me. Pathetic.
7 hours ago, Tano1 said:Thank you for sharing your entitled opinion to us. Unfortunately I'm not convinced that SkinTE is a hoax. The reason being because you have not cited any sources to support your counter-argument, you have not given any specifics of why you believe it won't work other than: "I don't believe it one bit," and you have made a total of 10 posts where at least 5 of those are in this particular thread. Did you make an account just to express your negative outlook on this specific thread? That's completely fine, but please establish a credible reason why it doesn't work.That is simply a statement of past events. It's not some obstacle permanently preventing us from advancing. If you want to use an argument like this then I will give you one of my own examples: The automobile was invented in the late 1880s and just a couple of decades later, the wright brothers achieved flight with their own airplane model. A few decades after that people are flying through the sky. And now in the present time, we have fast, powerful, hybrid, flying, electric cars that are just about ready to start driving themselves. Not to mention all the other additions to the car from other innovations such as: watching a movie on the road (passengers only I hope), listening to any song you want pretty much, gps navigation to get to any destination you see fit that even includes traffic jams, alternate routes and weather alerts. Now they're working on flying hoverboards, bikes, and kids can even play with flying drones now.
SkinTE isn't a gel that's applied so I'll have to infer again that you don't know how it works. Their claim is that skin regenerates more skin. Where are you getting that it's a gel? A small amount of skin from a biopsy is expanded and then re-inserted to a wound and is then allowed to undergo the natural healing process. It's not a perfect solution, but it's a major advancement. Just like the automobile, this too can be improved upon itself although it will already be a virtually seamless scar.
If you don't care to reply to anything else then please at least enlighten me on that specific statement. There are people who could've become great minds and progressed humankind, but are deterred from living such lives or even a healthy life because of disfigurement and depression. I absolutely agree that there are worse things that should be studied and would rather have them cured or at least made treatable like cancer, but there is already MANY researchers/companies/scientists working on that. We don't live in a world with nearly 3.5 billion people anymore like in the 1970s. The population has more than doubled that. We can afford to value not just beauty, but everything else as well.
Just one question though: If it's so sad to you that acne scarring is considered a major concern valued by society, then what are you even doing on an acne/scar forum dedicated to just that?
If you believe that injecting yourself with your own skin from a skin biopsy into an open wound and achieving scarless healing, than you are living in a fairy world. What about existing scars? They are no longer wounds therefore SkinTE will be useless on existing scars. As for facts, I have stated earlier that the human immune system responds differently than a pig's and we don't know how this can work.The "putting a gel on your scar" was rather sarcasm but you failed to even realize that.
I can invest thousands of money legit into something and fool people into believing it. The best example is Enron. People forgot about this company and how it's CEOs fooled thousands. Get your head out of your you know what. Continue believing in regeneration and scarless healing. Enjoy your skin with its flaws. You can never achieve baby skin.
I came here looking for a solution to clear my bacne and stubbled upon this forum. I made a post about how they discovered to turn fibroblasts into fat cells to regenerate skin but I was torn apart by another member here. Dealing with some know it all pretentious nobodys is really irritating.
Continue looking into the fountain of youth guys. One day you will find it but your life will pass you by.
2 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:Continue believing in regeneration and scarless healing. Enjoy your skin with its flaws. You can never achieve baby skin.
2 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:If you believe that injecting yourself with your own skin from a skin biopsy into an open wound and achieving scarless healing, than you are living in a fairy world.
Why the ignorance? I thanked you for your entitled opinion, but I too am entitled to my own opinion. I simply think it's possible and you don't so what? You're clearly trying to convince me to dismiss everything as a sham and for what? What do you accomplish with that? I'm up for debating our opposing views, but can we do it professionally where we cite sources and/or provide evidence to suggest something is or isn't achievable? Don't know why you continue to dodge the suggestion I keep making to you to cite your evidence that shows scarless healing is some fantasy.
2 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:Get your head out of your you know what.
A counter-argument given in such a professional manner. Surely you'll convince someone making statements like this. Especially since it's presented in such a mature manner.
2 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:You can never achieve baby skin.
Never mind I'm definitely getting convinced now. So much verifiable evidence in that statement.
2 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:I came here looking for a solution to clear my bacne and stubbled upon this forum.
Ah I see. So you "stubbled" upon here just out of coincidence and decided to make professional remarks. Don't worry I can re-direct you. This is the Scarless Healing section if you read up at the top it says it in the title of the thread. Unfortunately this is not the correct thread to discuss the bacne issues you are facing. Try the General acne discussion forum. Should you develop acne scars as a result of your bacne then feel free to check back here in the fairy world of scarless healing with us fairies. My picture shows I'm a rabbit, but it's fine I'll play along. By the way didn't you say in an earlier post that it's sad how society worries about acne? I'm sure you have your own personal reasons for seeking a solution so I won't ask.
2 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:Dealing with some know it all pretentious nobodys is really irritating.
If it irritates you so much you can easily get rid of that problem. I can help you if you'd like; I happen to know of a very effective solution. I can show you how to exit this thread with just a click of your mouse.
2 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:I made a post about how they discovered to turn fibroblasts into fat cells to regenerate skin but I was torn apart by another member here.
The reason I quoted this one is because I wanted to thank you for this specific piece of useful information you provided us regarding the discovery of turning myofibroblasts into fat cells to regenerate skin. I will provide a source to support the claim you have made.
Here's a detailed abstract as well in-case there's any doubts in the source above.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5464786/
For those of you who don't know the reasoning behind my source citing up above, I did it to establish credibility to support my argument.
3 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:One day you will find it but your life will pass you by.
Not a fountain of youth, but scarless healing. I can't say it will just pass me by because I am at the very least developing a deeper biological understanding of how the skin and its appendages function. I'm expanding my knowledge and that's always a plus to me. Although it may not be meaningful or productive to some, I find it very fulfilling that I can learn something new in any area of interest. It doesn't deter me from achieving my master's degree and it has not negatively affected any other aspect of my life so I can't agree with you on life just passing me by. The reason being because I know myself better than you do so I can only conclude that broadening my knowledge isn't a waste according to my values and beliefs of what I constitute as productive/valuable.
3 hours ago, Tano1 said:Why the ignorance? I thanked you for your entitled opinion, but I too am entitled to my own opinion. I simply think it's possible and you don't so what? You're clearly trying to convince me to dismiss everything as a sham and for what? What do you accomplish with that? I'm up for debating our opposing views, but can we do it professionally where we cite sources and/or provide evidence to suggest something is or isn't achievable? Don't know why you continue to dodge the suggestion I keep making to you to cite your evidence that shows scarless healing is some fantasy.A counter-argument given in such a professional manner. Surely you'll convince someone making statements like this. Especially since it's presented in such a mature manner.
Never mind I'm definitely getting convinced now. So much verifiable evidence in that statement.
Ah I see. So you "stubbled" upon here just out of coincidence and decided to make professional remarks. Don't worry I can re-direct you. This is the Scarless Healing section if you read up at the top it says it in the title of the thread. Unfortunately this is not the correct thread to discuss the bacne issues you are facing. Try the General acne discussion forum. Should you develop acne scars as a result of your bacne then feel free to check back here in the fairy world of scarless healing with us fairies. My picture shows I'm a rabbit, but it's fine I'll play along. By the way didn't you say in an earlier post that it's sad how society worries about acne? I'm sure you have your own personal reasons for seeking a solution so I won't ask.
If it irritates you so much you can easily get rid of that problem. I can help you if you'd like; I happen to know of a very effective solution. I can show you how to exit this thread with just a click of your mouse.
The reason I quoted this one is because I wanted to thank you for this specific piece of useful information you provided us regarding the discovery of turning myofibroblasts into fat cells to regenerate skin. I will provide a source to support the claim you have made.
Here's a detailed abstract as well in-case there's any doubts in the source above.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5464786/
For those of you who don't know the reasoning behind my source citing up above, I did it to establish credibility to support my argument.
Not a fountain of youth, but scarless healing. I can't say it will just pass me by because I am at the very least developing a deeper biological understanding of how the skin and its appendages function. I'm expanding my knowledge and that's always a plus to me. Although it may not be meaningful or productive to some, I find it very fulfilling that I can learn something new in any area of interest. It doesn't deter me from achieving my master's degree and it has not negatively affected any other aspect of my life so I can't agree with you on life just passing me by. The reason being because I know myself better than you do so I can only conclude that broadening my knowledge isn't a waste according to my values and beliefs of what I constitute as productive/valuable.
Tano1, I have explained earlier on how scarless healing is impossible right now to achieve. There are many factors to consider such as how our bodies tend to scar, how the immune system fights off infection and how introducing something foreign on an open wound is susceptible to infection. I don't need to give you any internet links or not. You know this. You can't fight nature. The body scars to fight off infection. I'm extremely disappointed that you need Internet links to verify this.
There's a risk of rejection too for many burn victims who get their own skin grafts from their body. I have said in the past that I can't believe SkinTE or it's wonderful promises because we have not seen any human trials and we just see some website or papers online. If scarless healing does happen it's probably still 5 or 10 years away. Wether you get rid of me or not with a click away on this forum I couldn't care less. It shows you're threatening manner. Seems to me you're very good at that when someone doesn't agree with you. So I have nothing else to say. I definitely need no help from you to clear up my bacne. Continue with the online threats. You will go far.
If you find my arguments or reasoning to much to deal with or you find my approach to direct or you feel to berate with nothing positive to say, than go away. Don't mind me or what I do. I don't insult no one unlike you and I don't try to berate no one. The reason I'm on this forum replying to your posts is to show you how silly you are believing anything about nothing. Don't take things personal. Grow up. Are you trying to get attention?
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. It seems to me you're just another pretentious nobody trying to convince me that some product will revolutionize the medical world with nothing to show for it as of now. If you know you can't convince someone you let you're guard down and you go on your day. You waste you're time arguing with someone like me? You can't fight stupid with stupid, same goes for you and me. Continue replying to my posts, it shows you have nothing better to do.
I never questioned your intelligence one bit. You can learn all you want about skin or broadening your knowledge. Nobody says anything about that. Having a master's degree has nothing to do with having communication skills. You should work on those. I also came here to broaden my knowledge but it seems I'm falling on pretentious know it alls who feel the need to berate me or attack me with childish antics. You guys must work for SkinTE!!! The number one reason I'm replying to your posts. Your insults don't phase me but I won't go down like that.
You posted a link to back up your claim which is a claim that I made. What's the purpose of that? Once more, looking for attention?
Now, go back to wherever you came from.
1 hour ago, CollegeKidd said:Anonymouz1, I'm not arguing with you, but no one here is trying to achieve "baby skin" or find "the fountain of youth." We're simply trying to regenerate our scarred skin. I don't want brand new skin like that of a baby nor am I trying to reduce my aging.
I understand that. I just find it ridiculous how many members on this forum feel the need to attack or undermine someone who believes that some things are just to good to be true with SkinTE; and that we should wait before jumping to conclusions.
Who care about baby skin? When I read statements like that I have the impression you are the classic guy with self esteem issues, probably just a couple of shallow acne scars that you're obsessed about when in reality nobody care about those.
There were a lot of people on this forum like that that described their scars as life destroying then posted their pics and you're left wondering if they were serious or just trolls.
SkinTe is developed for people with serious, disfiguring burn wounds/scars and some of us, including me, have disfiguring acne scars...not a couple of shallow scars.
For guys like me margins or baby skin are stupid issues, my scars are so bad that even me it regenerate my skin 80% I'd happy and out of this forum.
People obsessed with margins visible under a microscope or "only" 90'% healing probably have issues with self esteem much higher than issues with scars
7 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:There are many factors to consider such as how our bodies tend to scar, how the immune system fights off infection
7 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:The body scars to fight off infection. I'm extremely disappointed that you need Internet links to verify this.
No I won't need an internet link to verify this. I'll just use your own words below.
14 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:I made a post about how they discovered to turn fibroblasts into fat cells to regenerate skin
You're contradicting yourself somewhere it looks like. You acknowledged they discovered how to turn MYOfibroblasts (correct term) into adipose fat to regenerate skin. So which statement is false? Infection is fought with white blood cells rushing up to the wound to attack bacteria and repair itself. With the myofibroblasts present every time there's a wound, they can be instructed to produce fat cells to regenerate skin. There's always a risk of infection even if you get a paper cut. Any wounds handled with sterilized and clean equipment as well as sanitizing the area before-hand and after can vastly minimize risk of infection and that's something we all know from our very own hospitals. Millions of surgeries undergone every day with risks of infection, but yet people still get them because we have been able to control such acute infections should they even occur. Refer to the link below.
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/patientinstructions/000741.htm
Take into account the stages of wound healing as well. That's why Dr. Plikus who has conducted research with Dr. Costarelis said there's a "window of opportunity" in which those myofibroblasts can be instructed to regenerate skin rather than scar.
Full text along with the image of the text I just posted can be found in the link above.
8 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:how introducing something foreign on an open wound is susceptible to infection.
http://www.polarityte.com/products/sk inte
Scroll down to the bottom and you'll find this:
Autologous should be self explanatory for you and Homologous is directly related to the patient as well since they're utilizing as specified their own "skin substrate." There's nothing foreign about it that I can see. Their 3D Platform Technology is only used to EXPAND the patient's own skin. It then gets placed into any wound site they're treating and they allow NATURAL healing to take place.
And their 3D Platform Technology information can be found here which gives a very brief description of how they utilize it.
http://www.polarityte.com/platform
In that link right above you'll find this statement which confirms they expand it to fit the appropriate wound size.
Where do you conclude that it's foreign?
8 hours ago, Anonymouz1 said:If scarless healing does happen it's probably still 5 or 10 years away.
Where do you get that timeline from? It looks like I'm not the only one asking either. Educate us please.
No one is threatening you. I'm debating my point just as you debate yours and only suggested you to give me some evidence or a supporting source to make your claim more credible. For what reason you continue to refuse to cite anything is beyond me. In a way I want to be proven wrong because I myself am not overly optimistic about the concept of true skin regeneration. There's just too much research to suggest it's possible though so I have to conclude that it's possible until proven otherwise. Feel free to continue expressing your own opinion. You are entitled. At the very least answer my questions though because that much I am interested in.
If there's one thing I agree with you on it's that we should wait for human trial results to be published to conclude if it's effective or not.
The rest of your post I won't reply to because it's unproductive to the thread. To put it politely: it's nothing but blabbering and mouthing off. There's no need to rage about it. We can handle ourselves more professionally. You're better than that.