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Has anyone been able to find anything about trying this actually? All of this speculation has to end soon and real results, whether good or bad, need to start to surface. Surely this has been tried before on scarring at some point and I feel like someone willing to be tested on would be someone who would likely appear in a forum such as this. Someone here must have been able to find something about truly applying this. Right?
I tried googling to no avail for patients of Dr. Prevel's and their accounts of how Acell worked on them.
I e-mailed Dr. Prevel's office with no response as of yet. Remember he is only using it on surgery scar though.
They really should try testing this on people with acne scars. There would be plenty of people willing to be tested on, especially if it was their back. Just cut out all the scar tissue as best as possible and apply the stuff. If it works, it works, if not, then atleast the speculation is over. The purpose of acell is to trigger a healing response to produce healthy tissue rather than scar tissue, so it seems like a no brainer to try it for acne scars. So many people with acne scars would be willing to fork over their dough for something that gives remarkable results so I don't see why acell isn't doing any testing like this(?).
Here are some news concering the Pixie Dust:
http://www.kvue.com/news/top/stories/07140...b.55e9162f.html
With it the soldiers finger regrowed one-third of an inch.It seems that the dust is not able
to regenerate the finger completely, but this includes bones, muscles and blood vessels. I think it is much more difficult to regenerate the thing than only skin tissue. They did not mention anything about creation of scar tissue or no scar tissue. Don't know if I should classify this news as bad or good facts.
Wasn't the real goal to regenerate the finger completely?
Here are some news concering the Pixie Dust:
http://www.kvue.com/news/top/stories/07140...b.55e9162f.html
With it the soldiers finger regrowed one-third of an inch.It seems that the dust is not able
to regenerate the finger completely, but this includes bones, muscles and blood vessels. I think it is much more difficult to regenerate the thing than only skin tissue. They did not mention anything about creation of scar tissue or no scar tissue. Don't know if I should classify this news as bad or good facts.
Wasn't the real goal to regenerate the finger completely?
the link isnt working. I believe there wouldnt be much scar tissue if not the finger wouldnt have regenerated. One-third of an inch isnt much though, if you told me it regenerated close to an inch I would be impressed.
Todays the release of acell if im not wrong, so im wondering what they would be using it for?
the link isnt working. I believe there wouldnt be much scar tissue if not the finger wouldnt have regenerated. One-third of an inch isnt much though, if you told me it regenerated close to an inch I would be impressed.
Todays the release of acell if im not wrong, so im wondering what they would be using it for?
Sorry the right link is:
http://www.kvue.com/news/top/stories/07140...b.55e9162f.html
Yes is it not very much, but it is more than anything else than humans ever reached(Despite the fact they can definitely not regenerate the finger completely). So there must definitely some regeneration happened instead of creation of only scar tissue. The question is: Did at least the skin regrowed perfectly? Hope some news will be released about this soon. The release date of the pixie dust for humans is today, but till now they did not change their webside. Hope the will do it the next days...
As far as I am concerned the article is neither good nor bad news. The finger was able to regrow some, but not all the way. They weren't able to regenerate a whole finger but no one really expected that. We will be able to heal skin without scars long before regrowing digits. Just regrowing a little bit of healthy skin tissue is a whole heck of a lot easier than a full finger!
Oh sigh. Another blow to my options. Turns out Dr. Yarborough cannot do dermabrasion on the body, so I'm back to scarless healing as my only hope. I want to go swimming.
As for this Dr. Prevel, where is he located and who is he with? I would love to hear about his results on surgery scars.
As far as I am concerned the article is neither good nor bad news. The finger was able to regrow some, but not all the way. They weren't able to regenerate a whole finger but no one really expected that. We will be able to heal skin without scars long before regrowing digits. Just regrowing a little bit of healthy skin tissue is a whole heck of a lot easier than a full finger!
I agree with you totally about regrowing skin, but since ACell has been saying that they can regenerate skin, blood vessels, bone, etc... and have only produced a stump of a finger, they have kind of failed to live up to what they have promised, and now I wonder if we can believe anything that they say.
I e-mailed them Sunday afternoon and no one ever responded.
I hope someone here will call them again. I would, but I'm not very good at writing all that information down.
Maybe we could work on a list of questions and someone could call Mike Manning?
First off, you guys are comparing many vastly incomparable bodily organs. One is the skin (which even regenerates over the stump), and second is the bone, blood vessels, and everything up to the surface. Also, I didn't even hear the name "ACell" mentioned in the news report and I didn't find it in the accompanying summary. Remember, ACell will be different than any other ECM's seeing as how they are the only licensed pure matrix.
Just to clarify where my position is on the matter, I believe ACell to ultimately be a guide. It is and will not turn out to be a miracle cure for major things like they are trying to persuade us to believe. The time is fast approaching where pure stem cells harvested from our own bodies will take us to full regeneration. This one medicine though, the pure extra cellular matrix, will do great things for our skin problems as a guide and an impressive catalyst to our own natural healing response.
I agree with January on the fact that we should come up with a list of well thought out questions for someone to ask Mike Manning. One of the most obvious and important ones is if it can regenerate skin without leaving scarring behind. Also a list of doctors who are using it would be nice because we could get their take on how effective it is for the skin.
I agree with January on the fact that we should come up with a list of well thought out questions for someone to ask Mike Manning. One of the most obvious and important ones is if it can regenerate skin without leaving scarring behind. Also a list of doctors who are using it would be nice because we could get their take on how effective it is for the skin.
Yes to make a list of questions is a good thing. But I would prefer to call Mike Manning by telephon, because the chance to get an answer by this way is much bigger than to write an e-mail. People often wrote an e-mail to this company without getting any response. To start the list I would like to know, if the 15 of July was really the right release date of acell for human use. I would call him, but as you see my english is not good enough to do it. So we need someone who is so friendly to do it.
The soldier is still getting treatment. I'm sure he will continue to grow more tissue in addition to the third inch that has already grown. It's a slow process. Speivak took months to regrow just an inch and a half of his severed tip. But it did regrow fully!
Here's an article I found someone else quoting on another website. I never heard of the procedure for growing new skin and sewing it on seemlessly!
Pharrell Williams revealed to British Vogue that he's using a revolutionary procedure to rid himself of his tattoos.
Tats just don't 'go' with the grown up image he'd like to project.
But, forget the painful laser procedure that could scar!
He's going to have replicated skin cover his tats.
The N.E.R.D. front man said, "It's basically like getting a skin graft, but you're not taking skin from your ass or your legs. These guys actually grow the skin for you. First you have to give them a sample of your skin, which they then replicate. Once that's been done, they sew it on - and it's seamless."
It's expensiveabut that's irrelevant says Pharrell.
Yes, the Pharrell story has been mentioned before. I've contacted the Wake Forest Institute of Regenerative Medicine and they wouldn't really comment on the Pharrell story and didn't offer much hope to me as far as scar treatments go. They did take down contact information for me though and said they are doing research. I don't know if Pharrell's story is true or what, but it might be worth it to try contacting him or if someone else tried contacting Wake Forest and figuring it out. How can it be seamless?
First off, you guys are comparing many vastly incomparable bodily organs. One is the skin (which even regenerates over the stump), and second is the bone, blood vessels, and everything up to the surface. Also, I didn't even hear the name "ACell" mentioned in the news report and I didn't find it in the accompanying summary. Remember, ACell will be different than any other ECM's seeing as how they are the only licensed pure matrix.
Just to clarify where my position is on the matter, I believe ACell to ultimately be a guide. It is and will not turn out to be a miracle cure for major things like they are trying to persuade us to believe. The time is fast approaching where pure stem cells harvested from our own bodies will take us to full regeneration. This one medicine though, the pure extra cellular matrix, will do great things for our skin problems as a guide and an impressive catalyst to our own natural healing response.
Personally through my deducement I'm expecting potent regeneration coming from the 'pure-universal-ecm' (if it can regenerate muscle tissue, and blood vessels, it can regenerate skin, which is the easiest tissue to regenerate), if applied correctly over the wound edges over a period of time. I'm expecting very good results, which will be exciting not just for those with our simple skin scars (acne, cut wounds, stretch marks etc), but for connected slightly trickier diseases which also have the scarring process, were this ecm technology can go on to and from this develop application for these diseases, e.g. scarring of the lungs, those who need a new esophugus (sp?) etc.
We need to start and focus on getting this universal ecm scarless healing process involved into diseases like scarring of the lungs, regeneration of internal organs etc.
It all goes back to the scar (to quote someone), and this stuff's advanced decendents coming from this simple skin regeneration, will enable further engineered applications to go with lung scarring and organ regeneration.
I'm expecting big things from this ECM. A year and a half ago I was thinking of five to ten year for scarless healing for skin, 20years for reheneration of internal organs like the esophugus (SP?), now after researching ecm I expect months for outstanding regeneration of the skin. For those that keliod, I think this will help but though it may be near it won't be exactly like it will help the average scar response. However my thinking for people who keloid is: you lot should focus on the technology that has been referenced somewhere in this thread were researchers have actually stopped the scarring response, but haven't done the regeneration, or focus on the technology were there is an enzyme that dissolves the scar that you can find in the last few pages. My thinking is: 'combination therapy' if you stop your hyper scarring response and then apply the regeneration scaffold you to would have the regeneration we would have, maybe even a micro percentage better than our regeneration.
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Kirk- what makes you so optimistic for outstanding regeneration of the skin within months if no studies have been done to prove that with the acell ecm? How long do you think it will realistically be until doctors will start removing our acne scar tissue and using this ecm to produce scarless skin?
Kirk- what makes you so optimistic for outstanding regeneration of the skin within months if no studies have been done to prove that with the acell ecm? How long do you think it will realistically be until doctors will start removing our acne scar tissue and using this ecm to produce scarless skin?
I know I'm not kirk, but my guess is by the end of the year.
News about the release date of acell:
I know this is no official statement, but it seems that the release date has been placed backwards to probably next week, but definately before the end of this month:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_en...ast_answer.html
It sounds like the people on that hairloss site are trying to take things in to their own hands by finding doctors who are willing to treat them with acell even though no studies have been done on its effectiveness with hairloss. Us with acne scars might need to do the same thing. It would be great if someone could talk with an acell represenative on the phone and get their perspective on how effective it may be on acne scars. Then we could get a list of doctors using acell once it has come out for human use and try and find someone who is comfortable using it on acne scars. Then hopefully we can finally find out if it is an effective solution to our problem. I personally doubt scientific studies are going to be done on acell effectiveness with acne scars in the next year. Although they should be conducted and I hope they are, we may need to try and take this into our own hands.
Kirk- what makes you so optimistic for outstanding regeneration of the skin within months if no studies have been done to prove that with the acell ecm? How long do you think it will realistically be until doctors will start removing our acne scar tissue and using this ecm to produce scarless skin?
sw cub, I deduce from what I've researched and with this I'm condfident.
Pure ecm has regenerated a heart aorta, skin is known to be the easiest organ to regenerate and the scarring response in all tissues of the body that scar is similar. It can regenerate an aorta to the surrounding tissue it should be to regenerate skin to the surrounding tissue.
They are expecting to create an esophugus with it (again skin is easier).
Without completing the course the pure-universal-ecm (that all us animals share) regenerated the surrounding local fur as well as skin, that is like running the 100meters and then deciding to do 50meters extra. Skin by itself would have been good enough.
It has regenerated two fingers tips, bone, skin blood vessels etc.
It has been fought over in court...
All wounds lack ecm, when normal skin has ecm.
etc. etc.
I cannot agree that skin is the easiest to regenerate.
Skin is actually very complex. It is more complex than the tissue that composes the aorta. It is more complex than the tissue of the esophagus. The reason for this is that skin functions as the organism's barrier to the external environment. It is composed of many layers, each with a specific function. It is designed to breath, to perspirate, to protect against microbes, to absorb light for biomodulation, to absorb uv altered oils for vitamin uptake, to develop folliculas, to respond to changes in the external environment (humidity, temperature, radiation, etc) through complex chemical reactions and inter-cellular communication, etc... It is extremely complicated. It is almost fluid like in its dynamic adaptability to various stimuli. In fact, skin from the epidermis all the way down into the subcutaneous layers is one of the most histologically complex tissues, even while it is just afew mm in depth...
If the Acell ECM works as well as you believe, then this would be great. I hope it does. However, we need to see that no scar is left from the use of this product. I am reluctant to believe this will be the case until I have hard proof. Remember, even if it leaves small scars it would be inappropriate for use on the face.
It would have to reproduce skin perfectly for it to be a satisfactory cosmetic option for scar revision. If you experiment on yourself, do not do so on your face. Safety comes first.
Kirk- what makes you so optimistic for outstanding regeneration of the skin within months if no studies have been done to prove that with the acell ecm? How long do you think it will realistically be until doctors will start removing our acne scar tissue and using this ecm to produce scarless skin?
sw cub, I deduce from what I've researched and with this I'm condfident.
Pure ecm has regenerated a heart aorta, skin is known to be the easiest organ to regenerate and the scarring response in all tissues of the body that scar is similar. It can regenerate an aorta to the surrounding tissue it should be to regenerate skin to the surrounding tissue.
They are expecting to create an esophugus with it (again skin is easier).
Without completing the course the pure-universal-ecm (that all us animals share) regenerated the surrounding local fur as well as skin, that is like running the 100meters and then deciding to do 50meters extra. Skin by itself would have been good enough.
It has regenerated two fingers tips, bone, skin blood vessels etc.
It has been fought over in court...
All wounds lack ecm, when normal skin has ecm.
etc. etc.
Remember, even if it leaves small scars it would be inappropriate for use on the face.
What about when it is used in conjunction with agressive skin needling, which as you know doesn't leave scars in the first place? I think acell or alike used in combination with needling will allow everyone to get the best results we see in people at the moment.
Remember, even if it leaves small scars it would be inappropriate for use on the face.
What about when it is used in conjunction with agressive skin needling, which as you know doesn't leave scars in the first place? I think acell or alike used in combination with needling will allow everyone to get the best results we see in people at the moment.
Explain your idea for this process. How would the ACell be applied effectively in your opinion?
Remember, even if it leaves small scars it would be inappropriate for use on the face.
What about when it is used in conjunction with agressive skin needling, which as you know doesn't leave scars in the first place? I think acell or alike used in combination with needling will allow everyone to get the best results we see in people at the moment.
The problem I see with this is needling does not get rid of any scar tissue, but rather builds up collagen underneath the scar to plump it up. Acell works by replicating healthy tissue which is surrounding it. If there is a scar wall(which is still present after needling) Acell will be unable to take signals on how to produce healthy, scarless skin.