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It would be interesting to hear from Dr. Prevel how well Acell works on surgery wounds. If it produces scarless healing or very close to that then it would probably work really well with acne scars because you would not need to cut as deep to remove an acne scar as you do when giving someone a tummy tuck.
It would be interesting to hear from Dr. Prevel how well Acell works on surgery wounds. If it produces scarless healing or very close to that then it would probably work really well with acne scars because you would not need to cut as deep to remove an acne scar as you do when giving someone a tummy tuck.
Good point. We have to think about how acne scars will be dressed in order to maximize the healing process. I'm sure that a tummy tuck procedure can be covered fairly easily, it's the face that will be difficult to get more ideal results. Like you said though, acne scar removing will not be as invasive a surgery.
It would be interesting to hear from Dr. Prevel how well Acell works on surgery wounds. If it produces scarless healing or very close to that then it would probably work really well with acne scars because you would not need to cut as deep to remove an acne scar as you do when giving someone a tummy tuck.Good point. We have to think about how acne scars will be dressed in order to maximize the healing process. I'm sure that a tummy tuck procedure can be covered fairly easily, it's the face that will be difficult to get more ideal results. Like you said though, acne scar removing will not be as invasive a surgery.
If you go to the acell site there is a scientific article about how they formulated the powder into a gel and it still had it's activity. The purpose of the gel was to be able to treat tissue in 3 dimensions. I don't know if the gel form would work as well as the powder form ...but I think it's a step in the right direction for our needs. But who knows when and if they will start manufacturing a gel form.
It would be interesting to hear from Dr. Prevel how well Acell works on surgery wounds. If it produces scarless healing or very close to that then it would probably work really well with acne scars because you would not need to cut as deep to remove an acne scar as you do when giving someone a tummy tuck.Good point. We have to think about how acne scars will be dressed in order to maximize the healing process. I'm sure that a tummy tuck procedure can be covered fairly easily, it's the face that will be difficult to get more ideal results. Like you said though, acne scar removing will not be as invasive a surgery.
If you go to the acell site there is a scientific article about how they formulated the powder into a gel and it still had it's activity. The purpose of the gel was to be able to treat tissue in 3 dimensions. I don't know if the gel form would work as well as the powder form ...but I think it's a step in the right direction for our needs. But who knows when and if they will start manufacturing a gel form.
Good find. Just another item of info I will be asking about come next Thursday or Friday in my phone conversation with them.
It would be interesting to hear from Dr. Prevel how well Acell works on surgery wounds. If it produces scarless healing or very close to that then it would probably work really well with acne scars because you would not need to cut as deep to remove an acne scar as you do when giving someone a tummy tuck.Good point. We have to think about how acne scars will be dressed in order to maximize the healing process. I'm sure that a tummy tuck procedure can be covered fairly easily, it's the face that will be difficult to get more ideal results. Like you said though, acne scar removing will not be as invasive a surgery.
If you go to the acell site there is a scientific article about how they formulated the powder into a gel and it still had it's activity. The purpose of the gel was to be able to treat tissue in 3 dimensions. I don't know if the gel form would work as well as the powder form ...but I think it's a step in the right direction for our needs. But who knows when and if they will start manufacturing a gel form.
Good find. Just another item of info I will be asking about come next Thursday or Friday in my phone conversation with them.
Mike Manning said that that the gel form is something that will be available in a couple years or so.
Hey guys, I just called the Navy(not sure about the Army though) and they said that there ARE curtains in the shower. Looks like the military is the way to go to me, that is if this doesn't work. You may wonder why I'm making such a big deal about this curtain thing, well, no shit, I ain't never going to be prancing my schlong before a bunch of guys(girls would be a different matter though). That's a worse embarrassment than acne actually.
Is it possible that we can find the deepness level of our scar tissue through scans. For example, MRI scans or something. Forgive me if it cant be used for that purpose, im no doctor and I just thought if we might be able to find the level, then surgeons could cut accordingly then apply acell or whatever to promote healing, therefore maybe reducing the risk of creating more scarring and maybe even removing the scars totally...
so guys and girls....will this stuff work?i dont know what the big deal is on testing on a acne scarred back?and do u need to abrade the skin before applying?i hope it is avaible in the next year and works.
I think we just have to be patient, because it will be used for more serious things at first, and if it is incredibly impressive after that it will spread down to us. If it doesn't make much money with tummy tuck scars, burn victims etc. it probably isn't all that anyways.
so guys and girls....will this stuff work?i dont know what the big deal is on testing on a acne scarred back?and do u need to abrade the skin before applying?i hope it is avaible in the next year and works.
I think we just have to be patient, because it will be used for more serious things at first, and if it is incredibly impressive after that it will spread down to us. If it doesn't make much money with tummy tuck scars, burn victims etc. it probably isn't all that anyways.
Going have to disagree here. I'm not sure how much more pure regenerative medicine can become seeing as how this particular name "ACell" is providing the purest form in the industry. Also, why should we have to wait until people with more major disabilities are tested? We have minor skin blemishes in comparison and there has been word that one vial will amount to 100 dollars. This is not bad at all seeing as how only 1 to 2 are needed to cover a healing face. I think by the end of August we will begin to see huge progress with what we want. I'm going to jump on it sooner though.
I think by the end of August we will begin to see huge progress with what we want. I'm going to jump on it sooner though.
Where are these projected time frames coming from? We'll see huge progress, as in what? You're predicting that Acell will be available at this time?
It seems like so many of you feel that this is THE bonafide cure for scarring!
I guess I've become a little too cynical to jump on this bandwagon.
I think by the end of August we will begin to see huge progress with what we want. I'm going to jump on it sooner though.
Where are these projected time frames coming from? We'll see huge progress, as in what? You're predicting that Acell will be available at this time?
It seems like so many of you feel that this is THE bonafide cure for scarring!
I guess I've become a little too cynical to jump on this bandwagon.
Yes, you definitely have. Not only has it been confirmed that come next Tuesday, more than just a few doctors will be offering this treatment, but it is also more than likely our greatest hope for proper skin regeneration after a peel or cut or maybe a spray of scar tissue eating enzymes. These projected timelines also come from ACell Inc., who have answered several people in the past week about when this treatment will be more readily available.
By the way... "many of you" is pushing it. I think there are probably 3 or 4 of us that feel this way. Many are still doubtful... those that are need to do some real research on this pixie dust. though.
Many are still doubtful... those that are need to do some real research on this pixie dust. though.
Yeah, I'm definitely one of the doubtful ones. I'm at the point in my scarring journey where the old adage "I'll believe it when I see it" has become a mainstay.
So, are you going to have a treatment with this as soon as it becomes available and tell us of your results?
Yes, you definitely have. Not only has it been confirmed that come next Tuesday, more than just a few doctors will be offering this treatment, but it is also more than likely our greatest hope for proper skin regeneration after a peel or cut or maybe a spray of scar tissue eating enzymes. These projected timelines also come from ACell Inc., who have answered several people in the past week about when this treatment will be more readily available.
By the way... "many of you" is pushing it. I think there are probably 3 or 4 of us that feel this way. Many are still doubtful... those that are need to do some real research on this pixie dust. though.
The problems lies in finding a doctor who is comfortable using Acell on scars.
I think Acell would be best for stretch marks.
The supposed great results of acell on stretchmarks leaves me unimpressed. Stretchmarks are an entirely different thing compared to disfiguring atrophic acne scars.
For those that believe that this is the final cure-all for acne scarring- what about the scar during the finger regeneration. Wasn't this regeneration still accompanied by a scar??
Also...I wonder why acell corp never mentioned all of the times that the tip of a finger has spontaneously regnerated on someone without the use of anything. It has happened scores of times.
I think Acell would be best for stretch marks.
The supposed great results of acell on stretchmarks leaves me unimpressed. Stretchmarks are an entirely different thing compared to disfiguring atrophic acne scars.
Lets think about this. They are different, one has a scar collagen and one doesn't.
The scar collagen on ''depressed' stretch marks does not form, the guy debraded the marks to wound and applied the stuff. And it healed completely. Completely restoring the skin. The scaffold that was put on something that had no 'scar wall' must have been the cause for regeneration.
Perhaps the logic coming from this says if you remove the scar wall and apply the ecm on the wound...
Perhaps the logic says that scars are a wall, and that if you put the ecm on a scar, the skin wont regenerate, but if you put it on a wound it stops a scarring response?
Perhaps that says if you remove the scarring on atrophic scars and apply Acell pure ecm you will get regeneration.
For those that believe that this is the final cure-all for acne scarring- what about the scar during the finger regeneration. Wasn't this regeneration still accompanied by a scar??
Myth, though there was scarring it was tiny and you could say that 99.X%, including bone, and blood vessel regenerated (look at the picture to check for scarring, I can't even see any). You make it sound like the whole finger tip scarred.
Also...I wonder why acell corp never mentioned all of the times that the tip of a finger has spontaneously regnerated on someone without the use of anything. It has happened scores of times.
It regenerated two finger tips on two different people.
Acell regenerates to what is locally surrounding it, skin bone, blood vessels, tendon, fur. And out of all the tissues skin is the easiest to regenerate.
It regenerate fur on a skin. Now skin is good enough, but it added an evolved optimisation on top of that.
...the guy debraded the marks to wound and applied the stuff. And it healed completely. Completely restoring the skin...
Completely restored the skin?
How do we really know this? Did you see photos? Even with photos, it is still so hard to accurately evaluate improvement.
I have seen this stretch mark case cited numerous times. This one case is generating a lot of expectations for acell, and as far as I know, all of this account is totally anecdotal. Has this account ever even truly been substantiated or documented in any way?
Also, I have read many testimonials online of certain concoctions and essential oils that have completely eliminated a person's stretchmarks. I've never read the same for acne scars.
...the guy debraded the marks to wound and applied the stuff. And it healed completely. Completely restoring the skin...
Completely restored the skin?
How do we really know this? Did you see photos? Even with photos, it is still so hard to accurately evaluate improvement.
I have seen this stretch mark case cited numerous times. This one case is generating a lot of expectations for acell, and as far as I know, all of this account is totally anecdotal. Has this account ever even truly been substantiated or documented in any way?
Also, I have read many testimonials online of certain concoctions and essential oils that have completely eliminated a person's stretchmarks. I've never read the same for acne scars.
I should have said 'he said he completely restored the skin...'
Also, I have read many testimonials online of certain concoctions and essential oils that have completely eliminated a person's stretchmarks. I've never read the same for acne scars.
IMO, that is probably because stretch marks in the main dont have a sheet of scaring blocking thyem and attracted to them; people are more likely to risk doing something with them; and not many people would be as risky with marks on their face. And many other technical reasons like cutting out a scar on a face will not only be deep but will scar again, were as a stretch mark for some reason is more open to a regeneration response because the scarring response is less reactive...
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Also think about this:
What two things does a stretch mark lack? 1. scarring, and 2. skin tissue scaffold.
kirk is right on here. The majority of these theories stem from logical perception of human skin's reaction to this ECM (based on scientific research from ACell thus far... check their website). I am aware that stretch marks will definitely be much easier to eliminate with such a treatment, but I am also aware that rolling scars will show promise as well. It is possible to wound these sorts of scarred areas in order to apply a powdered substance and let heal. I have never been very sure about ice pick scarring as the depth is much more severe and the procedure to cut in will be more dangerous and costly.
kirk is right on here. The majority of these theories stem from logical perception of human skin's reaction to this ECM (based on scientific research from ACell thus far... check their website). I am aware that stretch marks will definitely be much easier to eliminate with such a treatment, but I am also aware that rolling scars will show promise as well. It is possible to wound these sorts of scarred areas in order to apply a powdered substance and let heal. I have never been very sure about ice pick scarring as the depth is much more severe and the procedure to cut in will be more dangerous and costly.
For deep icepick and boxcar scars the powder could be applied after excision to prevent the thin, very faint linear scarring as the wound(s) heal.
I wonder if this powder will be mixed in with a cream or gel to make it easier to apply...and if this powder and gel/cream would be on special bandages, that come in different sizes, that act as scaffolds?
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The reason I'm asking this is because I can't imagine how else this would be used after cutting out scars...I'm thinking a bandage/scaffold would have to go on over the excised pit to help keep it closed and help it heal. But what about the internal, slowly disintegrating stitches that are used to close very deep tissue defects where there is nothing but "dead space" before closing that excision with the 2nd layer of external sutures?
I sure hope this stuff is able to do...SOMETHING!!! I am optimistic right now because it has been approved by the FDA.
EDIT: 7:35 PM
The reason I'm asking this is because I can't imagine how else this would be used after cutting out scars...I'm thinking a bandage/scaffold would have to go on over the excised pit to help keep it closed and help it heal. But what about the internal, slowly disintegrating stitches that are used to close very deep tissue defects where there is nothing but "dead space" before closing that excision with the 2nd layer of external sutures?
I sure hope this stuff is able to do...SOMETHING!!! I am optimistic right now because it has been approved by the FDA.
How about dusting the "dead space" before applying the dressings? If it attaches to any living tissue, it will trigger the same response as the scaffolding would for the exterior boundaries.
Has anyone been able to find anything about trying this actually? All of this speculation has to end soon and real results, whether good or bad, need to start to surface. Surely this has been tried before on scarring at some point and I feel like someone willing to be tested on would be someone who would likely appear in a forum such as this. Someone here must have been able to find something about truly applying this. Right?
EDIT: 7:35 PM
The reason I'm asking this is because I can't imagine how else this would be used after cutting out scars...I'm thinking a bandage/scaffold would have to go on over the excised pit to help keep it closed and help it heal. But what about the internal, slowly disintegrating stitches that are used to close very deep tissue defects where there is nothing but "dead space" before closing that excision with the 2nd layer of external sutures?
I sure hope this stuff is able to do...SOMETHING!!! I am optimistic right now because it has been approved by the FDA.
How about dusting the "dead space" before applying the dressings? If it attaches to any living tissue, it will trigger the same response as the scaffolding would for the exterior boundaries.
I really didn't think ACell would be able to regenerate this dead space, but I see your point now, though...
I hope this is going to be affordable!
Scar revision for acne scarring should be covered by medical insurance. It is a sin, literally, how we have to use all of our spare cash, and our 401K money. It's almost like we're criminals, (instead of these greedy doctors), and we are given no sympathy, but, if we had gotten disfigured in an accident, etc., instead of being stricken with a ravaging skin disease, then that would be covered under "reconstructive surgery".
It's funny because scar revision is covered in almost all other countries...You don't pay thousands of dollars for treatments out of your own pocket.