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i dont think the scars will be cut out rather than it might be used after a co2 laser or some other ablative type of laser.or maybe after a dermabrasion or exoderm.probably if this stuff works at all would be just spot tried on a small area of the face and or better yet acne that has scarred on your back if any.
It wouldnt work that way, cause the scar tissue has to be removed.
certainly you could ablate the scar tissue away in a controlled fashion with a laser.
I've just been thinking about this oasis ECM that some regard as the same as Acell. I'm sure this oasis is owned by cook biotec, which failed in its court case against Acell for the ownership of the Acell ECM technology, (which went on to delay the release of Acell)...
Now I have read and saved a document in my hundreds of documents were Badylak or someone says something like: 'other ECM's are currently not as effective as Acell because Acell is the pure ECM; he states other ECM's are denatured and currently man made/adapted ECMs are not as affective as the pure ECM only achieving at most ??% regeneration; he/or someone then goes on to state more or less: Acell is as pure a ECM as you can get, and other ECM's can not touch its effectiveness because of denaturing...'
My thinking is as Cook Biotech did not win the Acell court case their ECM 'oasis' must be a lesser effective denatured ECM, saying they do not own the patent they tried to claim in court.
I feel like I'm the perfect candidate to try these sorts of things. I think it was nikkigirl who mentioned something about no doctor being willing to cut up someone's face without evidence that it will work. Someone else, tgan?, mentioned that scars on the back might be a better choice since it's not perceived as being as bad. I personally wouldn't care if a doctor screwed up and made one of my many scars a little bit worse. Whatever, it's my back. (However, having many many scars like I have makes body scars no bueno). Regardless, I think scars not on the face create a good chance for controlled experimentation.
I feel like I'm the perfect candidate to try these sorts of things. I think it was nikkigirl who mentioned something about no doctor being willing to cut up someone's face without evidence that it will work. Someone else, tgan?, mentioned that scars on the back might be a better choice since it's not perceived as being as bad. I personally wouldn't care if a doctor screwed up and made one of my many scars a little bit worse. Whatever, it's my back. (However, having many many scars like I have makes body scars no bueno). Regardless, I think scars not on the face create a good chance for controlled experimentation.
My thoughts are this:
People are getting ablative CO2 and dermabrasion anyway ... Why not apply Acell afterwards? Originally you could try to laser off one isolated scar somewhere to see how effective it might be. They recently made Acell into a gel form ....you have to slather on a gel after CO2 to protect the skin and keep it moist ...Acell also has antibacterial properties ...
seems like a slam dunk!
yes..if i was a doctor..i would try it on someone's acne scarred back before i tried it on someone's face.i dont know if this stuff works or not.i had scar subsion done in tijuana in the last 2 years.you might wanna e-mail anna love at clinic estetica and see what she thinks of it.
and the price..$$$$$$$$$$$ when will docs give us a break...shit..i could have bought a house with all the money i spent on this already and with energy cost going up like crazy....i doubt if i could afford the plane tickets to travel to someone who does something like this.
yes..if i was a doctor..i would try it on someone's acne scarred back before i tried it on someone's face.i dont know if this stuff works or not.i had scar subsion done in tijuana in the last 2 years.you might wanna e-mail anna love at clinic estetica and see what she thinks of it.
Great idea. I heard in the military trials they are using acell on burnt victims? I wonder how is that applied?
yes..if i was a doctor..i would try it on someone's acne scarred back before i tried it on someone's face.i dont know if this stuff works or not.i had scar subsion done in tijuana in the last 2 years.you might wanna e-mail anna love at clinic estetica and see what she thinks of it.
Great idea. I heard in the military trials they are using acell on burnt victims? I wonder how is that applied?
tgan- I was just thinking this same question myself. It is important to us acne scar sufferers that they are doing these trials on burn victims because if they can regrow healthy skin, then there is no doubt us with acne scars can. I was thinking about it and many of us with acne scars have big bunches of scars, often time rolling, and it wouldn't be really logical to try and cut them all out. I like the idea nikki had of dermabrading them til all the scar tissue is removed. This would mean they would have to go way way deeper than a normal dermabrasion, but that would probably make more since than trying to cut out each scar. But I would be very interested to see how they are removing the burned skin on these burned victims, because it is very likely going to be a similar way that acne scar patients would be treated. I wish there was someone we could contact to find out more information about how acell and similar things are being used on burn victims.
I wish there was someone we could contact to find out more information about how acell and similar things are being used on burn victims.
Maybe you can ask Mike Manning from Acell about your suggestion:
Mike Manning
Technical & Customer Services
ACell, Inc.
800-826-2926
If you want to do this, please inform us abourt his answer. I find this idea very interesting, because dermabrasion is a method which has been used since a long time. Cutting out a larger scar area sound in my mind like a frankenstein method, which no serious doctor would do it on your face. The questions are can sombody do dermabrasion deep enough to completely remove the scar and does acell really reach perfect scarfree healing. If somebody can honestly answer these question with yes, then our days of desperation and fear will be over. Sounds to good to be true.... 
What do you and the other think about it? Will other solutions against scars be avaible in nearer future(Intercytex, Renovo...)?
I wish there was someone we could contact to find out more information about how acell and similar things are being used on burn victims.
Maybe you can ask Mike Manning from Acell about your suggestion:
Mike Manning
Technical & Customer Services
ACell, Inc.
800-826-2926
If you want to do this, please inform us abourt his answer. I find this idea very interesting, because dermabrasion is a method which has been used since a long time. Cutting out a larger scar area sound in my mind like a frankenstein method, which no serious doctor would do it on your face. The questions are can sombody do dermabrasion deep enough to completely remove the scar and does acell really reach perfect scarfree healing. If somebody can honestly answer these question with yes, then our days of desperation and fear will be over. Sounds to good to be true....
I have tried contacting Mike Manning via e-mail without a response. I think you could definetely dermabrade til the scar tissue is removed but it might have to be about 5 times as deep as a regular dermabrasion, so it would be a very different procedure in many respects. Of course this will be not safe at all unless it can be proved that something absolutely produces scarless healing. The thing that has me optimistic is that in order to have limb regeneration, which is what so much money is being spent on, the first step is scarless healing. That means it is the very first piece of the puzzle, so I think it will only be a matter of time if money and effort keep being put into this. I just hope scarless healing is achieved sooner than later.
I have tried contacting Mike Manning via e-mail without a response. I think you could definetely dermabrade til the scar tissue is removed but it might have to be about 5 times as deep as a regular dermabrasion, so it would be a very different procedure in many respects. Of course this will be not safe at all unless it can be proved that something absolutely produces scarless healing. The thing that has me optimistic is that in order to have limb regeneration, which is what so much money is being spent on, the first step is scarless healing. That means it is the very first piece of the puzzle, so I think it will only be a matter of time if money and effort keep being put into this. I just hope scarless healing is achieved sooner than later.
I also hope that, because I want to enjoy my youth. When I'm old it is not necessary to remove my scars. So my fears are: Scarless healing comes to late for me or the price will be to high.
You said that they have to to 5 times deeper than normal dermabrasion. This is horrible deep, are you
really sure. Normal dermabrasion is a bloody surgical procedure and you have to stay in the hospital. So when they go 5 times deeper, how can the doctors control the bleeding. One question: what comes
below the subcutaneous layer of the facial skin? Meat tissue or oral skin-hmm....?
You can also ask Mike Manning by telephon:
"For more information, contact Mike Manning in Technical & Customer Services at 800-826-2926, "x204 or [email protected]." Foreign callers have to add the international area code.
I have tried contacting Mike Manning via e-mail without a response. I think you could definetely dermabrade til the scar tissue is removed but it might have to be about 5 times as deep as a regular dermabrasion, so it would be a very different procedure in many respects. Of course this will be not safe at all unless it can be proved that something absolutely produces scarless healing. The thing that has me optimistic is that in order to have limb regeneration, which is what so much money is being spent on, the first step is scarless healing. That means it is the very first piece of the puzzle, so I think it will only be a matter of time if money and effort keep being put into this. I just hope scarless healing is achieved sooner than later.
I also hope that, because I want to enjoy my youth. When I'm old it is not necessary to remove my scars. So my fears are: Scarless healing comes to late for me or the price will be to high.
You said that they have to to 5 times deeper than normal dermabrasion. This is horrible deep, are you
really sure. Normal dermabrasion is a bloody surgical procedure and you have to stay in the hospital. So when they go 5 times deeper, how can the doctors control the bleeding. One question: what comes
below the subcutaneous layer of the facial skin? Meat tissue or oral skin-hmm....?
You can also ask Mike Manning by telephon:
"For more information, contact Mike Manning in Technical & Customer Services at 800-826-2926, "x204 or [email protected]." Foreign callers have to add the international area code.
When I said 5 times as deep it was a very rough estimate. The reason I say that deep though is because a regular dermabrasion only goes about 1/3 of a mm deep. In order to reach the bottom of most scars you would have to go at the very least over 1 mm deep, it all depends on how deep the scars are, but for most I am pretty sure you would need to go that deep to get to the very base. Who knows what method they would use, I think that the main thing is finding an agent which creates the scarless healing, and then after that its easy because no matter how we injure our skin it should heal without scars as long as all scar tissue is removed.
i think the first test of acne scar patients would only be a small part of the skin..then gradually...if it does work larger and larger areas.then again the price...you know if these rip-off docs are charging a arm and leg for stuff that doesnt work..what do u think they will charge for something that does?fraxel patients are the latest in getting ripped off.for the kind of money im spending for now on i want a dramatic improvement of my skin.personally i dont see what is holding this up...if it is done on patients with back scarring.im not too worried about my back if it got a little more messed up.im just concerned with my face.i probably would have the money for a few years when it came out anyways.but if it has been tested on animals with no ill effects..there is no reason it couldnt be tried on ones scarred back.
Thought you might be interested in this:
http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-sp...ng-troops?page=
ok..they have a enzyme that eats away scar tissue.there you go....i have no idea why this is not avaible to acne scar patients yet.i think i posted about the military getting money for regeneration a few years ago when i saw it on the news and no one person posted a comment.we get 5000 comments on a fraxel thread and not many on this type of thread.if they are using it on iraq veterns..no reason it cant be made for acne scars too.
ok..they have a enzyme that eats away scar tissue.there you go....i have no idea why this is not avaible to acne scar patients yet.i think i posted about the military getting money for regeneration a few years ago when i saw it on the news and no one person posted a comment.we get 5000 comments on a fraxel thread and not many on this type of thread.if they are using it on iraq veterns..no reason it cant be made for acne scars too.
Ive heard the enzymes in the papaya fruit eats away scar tissue too. But the thing is, we have to find a way to direct the enzyme to the level of the scar tissue.
Its july now, does anybody know the EXACT date of acell release? I hate the fact that everything has to be so secretive...
Test on me, cut up my back, throw bacteria on me. I don't fucking care! I just don't get how I can put myself in a situation to try this stuff? I'm ready and willing. This sort of thing needs to be cured, acne is terrible. If they have all these treatments that they are reserving for soldiers then why not release them to the general public at a cost? We can help finance them. The medical industry is so fucked up since it is protected from free markets.
Well my husband is army and he has a friend that was shot thru the jaw with the bullet coming out around between the eyes, he is fine now, but to fix the scar the doctor injected silicone into him and although you can still see the difference in tissue, there is no hole. He looks pretty good. I just saw him last week and was kind of surprised the army suggested the silicone.
I wrote to Dr. Badylak, who works with ACell and has been named in the news for the fingertip regeneration. Although it was just a representative for him who wrote me back, here is what they said regarding scarring:
"Dr. Badylak is investigating other applications of ECM, but the most advanced research that I am aware of on the mitigation of scar is being done by Intercytex in England; see http://www.intercytex.com/ and look at their Valveta video."
I wrote to Dr. Badylak, who works with ACell and has been named in the news for the fingertip regeneration. Although it was just a representative for him who wrote me back, here is what they said regarding scarring:
"Dr. Badylak is investigating other applications of ECM, but the most advanced research that I am aware of on the mitigation of scar is being done by Intercytex in England; see http://www.intercytex.com/ and look at their Valveta video."
The whole valveta thing is not that impressive to me. It seems like just another filler, how is it any differerent? If we can find a way to regrow skin without scars then we won't need to be trying to plump them up and make them look better. As long as the scar tissue is still there it will always look bad in certain lighting.
I don't plan on spending another dime on scar treatments until something is proven to promote scarless healing, or very close to that. With everything else you are still left with scar tissue which is bound to look unsightly in certain lightings. I am confident that scarless healing is in the not too distant horizon because the fact that money and research is being put into things like limb regeneration, and the very first piece to that puzzle is scarless healing.