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True what you said lapis... but that "promising" word may indicate that they are close to do the same in pigs.. They are still pretty confident about their goal though by scar free healing and about their plan to reach human trial at mid to late 2016.
This means the path toward their goal is not a failure but a delay in progress
The word exhilarating, or titillating, or climax, or cool are sensationalising adjectives used by tabloid journalists or sports journalists describing play, or by someone selling playboy. The word promising here in a formal kind of context is adequate, and is used with the scientific expectancy they already have, which is within the scope and bench mark of compete regeneration. The expectancy has not changed, and will not change. The expectancy comes from historical data.
The word exhilarating, or titillating, or climax, or cool are sensationalising adjectives used by tabloid journalists or sports journalists describing play, or by someone selling playboy. The word promising here in a formal kind of context is adequate, and is used with the scientific expectancy they already have, which is within the scope and bench mark of compete regeneration. The expectancy has not changed, and will not change. The expectancy comes from historical data.
Your expectancy of scarless healing will change, yet again, when the human trials for Hydrogel do not go as planned.
The word exhilarating, or titillating, or climax, or cool are sensationalising adjectives used by tabloid journalists or sports journalists describing play, or by someone selling playboy. The word promising here in a formal kind of context is adequate, and is used with the scientific expectancy they already have, which is within the scope and bench mark of compete regeneration. The expectancy has not changed, and will not change. The expectancy comes from historical data.
Your expectancy of scarless healing will change, yet again, when the human trials for Hydrogel do not go as planned.
The expectancy is not a property of a messenger... The scientific expectancy can not be changed, the expectancy comes from historical and recorded data, peer reviewed data, which can be referenced in the PNAS. You'd need a time machine to change it. This expectancy can be referenced for the next thousand years (assuming the data does not get lost)..
I wonder how come we dont scar by injection... i thought the wound from injection is deep enough to the dermis
B/c there is no inflammation involved. The inflammation on people with good healing capabilities is taken out quickly by platelets or, specifically white blood cells, - quickly reabsorbed by the body (this goes for deep cyst that never reach head)... thus no tissue is being damaged extensively to cause an indentation. Whereas we have bad healing capabilities for whatever reason, so the inflammation or red hyperpigmenation, lasts longer and prolongs it's stay in the dermis causing damage, er scar tissue where it's difficult to heal,
Get subcision done on your scars and try the suction method. @ rudy
Something better than scarless healing I think
http://biobotsprinters.tumblr.com/post/109502583142/coming-soon-the-first-3d-bioprinted-organ
Please for the love of god come out witth something already, i just want to buy stuff from shops and not have to worry about skin bs
Hmm that is one thing to dismiss our hope
should we look for another hope seabs135?
Dextran hydrogel does not work....
They repeated the first mouse test again, but did not get scarfree healing either.
it was a one time thing.
they are now doing tests on immunodeficient animals, i dont know why. But they are not getting the scar free results.
Hmm that is one thing to dismiss our hope
should we look for another hope seabs135?
Dextran hydrogel does not work....
They repeated the first mouse test again, but did not get scarfree healing either.
it was a one time thing.
they are now doing tests on immunodeficient animals, i dont know why. But they are not getting the scar free results.
A 'peer reviewed paper,' highlighted a methodology that got complete regeneration. If another paper or some other reliable document comes up that highlights the opposite then that would mean judgement is suspended... Which is what I would say with anything else.
they did do it again, but did not achieve the same results. These are facts from the actual people who worked on them lol. Papers may be restricted in interest of protecting Gemstone as they have a patent on the method now.
"peer reviewed" papers you mentioned are not the word of god either. It simply means other researchers have gone and critiqued it. There are many lousy "peer-reviewed" journals out there.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/sep/05/publish-perish-peer-review-science
they did do it again, but did not achieve the same results. These are facts from the actual people who worked on them lol. Papers may be restricted in interest of protecting Gemstone as they have a patent on the method now.
"peer reviewed" papers you mentioned are not the word of god either. It simply means other researchers have gone and critiqued it. There are many lousy "peer-reviewed" journals out there.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/sep/05/publish-perish-peer-review-science
I have never stated anything is the word of god or the word of authority. I have stated a peer reviewed methodology is way more reliable than something stated on a message board; I have stated a peer reviewed article is easily referenced and testable (falsifiable) and probative; it is historical and on record.
According to the researcher, complete regeneration should already be reached at week 5 , which was about what 80% of the mice observed in his study. He says that perhaps they made changes to the hydrogel that caused it to work differently.
The hydrogel is tunable, you can change the ingredients, the ratios...
i dont know if the methodology is peer reviewed. None of these "peers" did an experiement to replicate the results, they just critiqued the "soundness" of the criteria and testing methods used.
Gemstone is also being a huge bitch and not releasing any information, although it is quite clear that they have failed and are moving on to stem cells and other methods.
Haha dont worry bloodwar44, we will completely regenerate our skin soon. Hydrogel would..
Dont be such a downer there.. our cure is near
i dont know if the methodology is peer reviewed. None of these "peers" did an experiement to replicate the results, they just critiqued the "soundness" of the criteria and testing methods used.
Gemstone is also being a huge bitch and not releasing any information, although it is quite clear that they have failed and are moving on to stem cells and other methods.
How did you get those burns, if you don't mind me asking? I'm sorry to hear this happened to you.
i dont want to be a downer. like i said my face has 3rd degree burns i want it gone. it would change my life.
but it looks like the hydrogel hope is dying
How is successful defined in this context? Did the wounds in the pigs heal without any scarring?
I got info from 1 of gerecht team namely Michael Blachley regarding their dextran hydrogel..
Their result from the porcine test was successful. They are currently engaging the dextran hydrogel efficiency on wound that has been left open for 3/4/5 and so on days
Bloodwar44 Please stop trolling... Hydrogel is nothing new. The approach/formula used to create this form of Hydrogel is. They tested it against a control and you can bet your #$% they did it several times over before welcoming investors in and moving on to the porcine model.
Thank you Rudy1986. I tried to call them today as well. I am tired of the Trolls on this forum going out of their way trying to spread misinformation and bad news in order to dash other peoples hope. Some people on here are damn near suicidal. Think before you Troll.. Your sick little game might cause one of these unfortunate suffers to give up hope and end their life as a result.
I'm not gonna say I told you all so. But I told you all so. That's what you get for your faith in all this peer reviewed, scientific methodology mumbo-jumbo.
Medical science my friend is a fucking racket on par with the biggest hustlers and scammers in the world.
As I said before. This problem likely requires knowledge of genetic and epigenetic factors that are far far too complex for current science. 50-100 years and I'd speculate there might be some progress in the field of total wound regeneration. Remember what I said about how complex any solution for even something like solving grey hair would be.
What you all don't sam to understand is that if this hydrogel business were even remotely found to be true, it would be a revolution of such massive proportions it would have an impact across all of the biological sciences. I mean that people who discovered such a thing would win the nobel prize.