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(@maldition)

Posted : 05/02/2013 5:03 pm

why lie? : money.

in scientific reports clearly say that there is something scar regeneration in mouse.

hydrogel say is just water and sugar ... for me that is a problem, I do not think such a complex problem have something as simple as a solution.

I see... but why would Harmon lie?

And if I understood the mice had 'complete' skin regeneration...

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(@dextranlady)

Posted : 05/02/2013 5:05 pm

That is my fear. Everyone here wants a complete skin regeneration but if it's considerable better than the available choices I would be happy.

 

Well that's interesting. I was assuming the whole thing just kind of died. Would they consider anything less than a scar free result in the animal trials a succes?

Thank you much Wentworth,

And hi everyone

I have news about Dextran:

"The dextran hydrogel for wound healing is to enter large animal trials this summer. If the trials are successful we will be entering the veterinary market within a year after that. Human trials will start shortly after we have entered the veterinary market. We cannot legally sell, or give away, the dextran hydrogel for wound healing until it has been approved by the FDA."

They also told me the project is getting some good support so I suspect fundings is not a problem anymore.

Unfortunatelly my english is not pretty good and I just started studying bio science so I cannot understand if the patent contains the formula of Dextran. If yes, is it a crime if we test this in ourselves?

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(@lapis-lazuli)

Posted : 05/02/2013 5:11 pm

That is my fear. Everyone here wants a complete skin regeneration but if it's considerable better than the available choices I would be happy.

Advancement is always good. If this gel really enabled scars to be prevented I would be surprised. Just because throughout history it's never come about and now in two years time or so in 2015 it will? Not likely, in my opinion. But you never know.

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(@dextranlady)

Posted : 05/02/2013 5:16 pm

Why not to try in our own scars?

We need a dermatologist that can be able to make a dermabrasion in our skin, and a biologist or a biomedical student that could prepare the formula to apply it.

Simple. But what kind of dermatologist would deal with this? I think none cause it is not ethical.

 

That is my fear. Everyone here wants a complete skin regeneration but if it's considerable better than the available choices I would be happy.

Advancement is always good. If this gel really enabled scars to be prevented I would be surprised. Just because throughout history it's never come about and now in two years time or so in 2015 it will? Not likely, in my opinion. But you never know.

Yes. But the invent is new.

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(@damnlife)

Posted : 05/02/2013 5:22 pm

dextranlady, see I'm no mr. bullshit so I can tell you that hydrogel sounds like *fake*. Sugar and water?

lol, I can buy you those.

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(@dextranlady)

Posted : 05/02/2013 5:26 pm

Or maybe we should consider plastic surgery. mellow.png

dextranlady, see I'm no mr. bullshit so I can tell you that hydrogel sounds like *fake*. Sugar and water?

lol, I can buy you those.

Science can be simple. Nature can be easy. We cannot discart this just because it is too much simple to believe.

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(@seabs135)

Posted : 05/02/2013 6:07 pm

Malditon, a scientific method cannot push a lie, the scientific method would show a lie when tested at a later date. A scientific method is constantly under review. AND is constantly documented. It is in essence forensic. A scam never documents results. A scam is intangible. A lie embellishes and embellishes and is way more harder work than having a testable method that gives tangible results. If something was a scam then the science would be either hidden or not testable against a reliable control and therefore not forensic or tangible. For anyone with reason, the optimized hydrogel proved complete regeneration against a control tested on all mammals, and degraded in about 7 to 10 days. (This digestion rate is also backed up by further studies that prove digestion creates tissue.)

why lie? : money.

in scientific reports clearly say that there is something scar regeneration in mouse.

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Posted : 05/02/2013 6:34 pm

What's up with the new comers knowing more than we do about hydrogel...

Shall we believe them? :D

Yes you should believe them. I met dextran lady on the new group i created. She was very interested and so i told her who we had contacted and what information we had up to date. Then she made contact. No bullshit here!!

 

Its called being proactive people. Get on the facebook page!

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(@rez77)

Posted : 05/02/2013 6:47 pm

i'm calling bullshit on all this. it's clearly not promising and doesn't even achieve moderate results or partial improvement in scars. that is clear as daylight.

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(@seabs135)

Posted : 05/02/2013 6:58 pm

It clearly doesn't achieve moderate results, it clearly doesn't even achieve partial improvements in scars. In fact it is scientific and factual, it achieves 'complete regeneration,' proven by the evidence of fast digestion, and the forensic evidence of appendage growth. Appendages do not regenerate in scar tissue.

i'm calling bullshit on all this. it's clearly not promising and doesn't even achieve moderate results or partial improvement in scars. that is clear as daylight.

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Posted : 05/02/2013 7:15 pm

anyhoo does anyone understand enough to know if fig.1 on the patent is the actual formula for hydrogel?

 

@false@@@en;jsessionid=2CB50C013107BA1DF1DCEAA16A0157BD.wapp1" rel="external nofollow"> http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservice_fpimage/WOUS2012034802@@ @false@@@en;jsessionid=2CB50C013107BA1DF1DCEAA16A0157BD.wapp1

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(@maldition)

Posted : 05/02/2013 7:51 pm

1 year for go on sale (for animal use), to good to be true

anyway hydrogel is the only hope for us...

 

It clearly doesn't achieve moderate results, it clearly doesn't even achieve partial improvements in scars. In fact it is scientific and factual, it achieves 'complete regeneration,' proven by the evidence of fast digestion, and the forensic evidence of appendage growth. Appendages do not regenerate in scar tissue.

i'm calling bullshit on all this. it's clearly not promising and doesn't even achieve moderate results or partial improvement in scars. that is clear as daylight.

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(@rez77)

Posted : 05/02/2013 8:34 pm

 

It clearly doesn't achieve moderate results, it clearly doesn't even achieve partial improvements in scars. In fact it is scientific and factual, it achieves 'complete regeneration,' proven by the evidence of fast digestion, and the forensic evidence of appendage growth. Appendages do not regenerate in scar tissue.

i'm calling bullshit on all this. it's clearly not promising and doesn't even achieve moderate results or partial improvement in scars. that is clear as daylight.

yeah well something's wrong or off --they wouldn't wait 1 or 2 years to start clinical trials if it had promise. no way, i don't believe it. good luck all of you on this thread, I'm off.

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Posted : 05/02/2013 9:13 pm

 

 

It clearly doesn't achieve moderate results, it clearly doesn't even achieve partial improvements in scars. In fact it is scientific and factual, it achieves 'complete regeneration,' proven by the evidence of fast digestion, and the forensic evidence of appendage growth. Appendages do not regenerate in scar tissue.

 

i'm calling bullshit on all this. it's clearly not promising and doesn't even achieve moderate results or partial improvement in scars. that is clear as daylight.

yeah well something's wrong or off --they wouldn't wait 1 or 2 years to start clinical trials if it had promise. no way, i don't believe it. good luck all of you on this thread, I'm off.

why not be helpful to other members rather than keep saying you are leaving and then come back. I know it is hard, dissaponting, sad etc to sit and wait.

But the more we share our knowledge and experiences with others the better.

Everyone just wants results but dont want to help. Dont even sign up to the facebook page!! its not hard!

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(@lapis-lazuli)

Posted : 05/03/2013 1:22 am

If someone who is studying bio science can't figure out if it's the formula or not how can you expect us to figure it out? :P

anyhoo does anyone understand enough to know if fig.1 on the patent is the actual formula for hydrogel?

@false@@@en;jsessionid=2CB50C013107BA1DF1DCEAA16A0157BD.wapp1" rel="external nofollow"> http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservice_fpimage/WOUS2012034802@@ @false@@@en;jsessionid=2CB50C013107BA1DF1DCEAA16A0157BD.wapp1

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Posted : 05/03/2013 1:55 am

 

If someone who is studying bio science can't figure out if it's the formula or not how can you expect us to figure it out? :P

 

anyhoo does anyone understand enough to know if fig.1 on the patent is the actual formula for hydrogel?

 

@false@@@en;jsessionid=2CB50C013107BA1DF1DCEAA16A0157BD.wapp1" rel="external nofollow"> http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservice_fpimage/WOUS2012034802@@ @false@@@en;jsessionid=2CB50C013107BA1DF1DCEAA16A0157BD.wapp1

who said she cant figure it out, i havent asked yet. not expecting anyone to do anything i was just asking. maybe i should just do my own thing and not post updates.

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(@panos)

Posted : 05/03/2013 2:20 am

Most comments here reflect a strong passive point,which means regeneration is unlikely to happen.

What we need is enable again mechanisms,our primitive mechanisms,in brain,psyche and body.

This is how human body regenerates.

And yes nature is simple and complicated at the same time.

Can you say it wont work,since it is just water and sugar basically?.

Iodine for example,just an element, is far better than most of the things others use here as an antifibrotic agent.

And it costs 3 euros.Why do you believe,that your body is in need of chemical chan consisting of 2000302030402 molecules

synthesized in a lab?

So lets keep this passive thoughts away,and enable again active thinking and acting.

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(@lapis-lazuli)

Posted : 05/03/2013 2:46 am

Didn't she say that in this post? I made it bold.

Thank you much Wentworth,

And hi everyone

I have news about Dextran:

"The dextran hydrogel for wound healing is to enter large animal trials this summer. If the trials are successful we will be entering the veterinary market within a year after that. Human trials will start shortly after we have entered the veterinary market. We cannot legally sell, or give away, the dextran hydrogel for wound healing until it has been approved by the FDA."

They also told me the project is getting some good support so I suspect fundings is not a problem anymore.

Unfortunatelly my english is not pretty good and I just started studying bio science so I cannot understand if the patent contains the formula of Dextran. If yes, is it a crime if we test this in ourselves?

Anyway, it's kind of frustrating how often no one can say anything without people getting defensive or fearful. It's like when someone posts a new topic they often start with "Before anyone flames me let me start this by the following.". It's exhausting.

All I meant was that I thought it was kind of funny how you asked this difficult question to us forum visitors who obviously don't know anything about this kind of thing.

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Posted : 05/03/2013 3:05 am

Didn't she say that in this post? I made it bold.

 

Thank you much Wentworth,

 

And hi everyone

 

I have news about Dextran:

 

"The dextran hydrogel for wound healing is to enter large animal trials this summer. If the trials are successful we will be entering the veterinary market within a year after that. Human trials will start shortly after we have entered the veterinary market. We cannot legally sell, or give away, the dextran hydrogel for wound healing until it has been approved by the FDA."

 

They also told me the project is getting some good support so I suspect fundings is not a problem anymore.

Unfortunatelly my english is not pretty good and I just started studying bio science so I cannot understand if the patent contains the formula of Dextran. If yes, is it a crime if we test this in ourselves?

Anyway, it's kind of frustrating how often no one can say anything without people getting defensive or fearful. It's like when someone posts a new topic they often start with "Before anyone flames me let me start this by the following.". It's exhausting.

All I meant was that I thought it was kind of funny how you asked this difficult question to us forum visitors who obviously don't know anything about this kind of thing.

so she just started studying it..there you go

 

btw its not like that all...whats exhausting is trying hard between feeding, wiping butts and putting babies to sleep to find time to update you guys just to be nice ( i dont have to) and have everyone whinge and complain.

 

anyhow your right...i think it was just a joke what you said and i automatically assumed you were being negative like the others...my apologies....im tired!

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(@lapis-lazuli)

Posted : 05/03/2013 4:36 am

 

so she just started studying it..there you go

 

btw its not like that all...whats exhausting is trying hard between feeding, wiping butts and putting babies to sleep to find time to update you guys just to be nice ( i dont have to) and have everyone whinge and complain.

 

anyhow your right...i think it was just a joke what you said and i automatically assumed you were being negative like the others...my apologies....im tired!

But we haven't studied it at all... :lol: There I go joking around again. Anyway, I personally really appreciate everyone's efforts, including yours, to help wherever possible. No need to apologize for anything. And yes, the whining and complaining isn't getting old, it's already gotten old and it's unpleasant.

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(@damnlife)

Posted : 05/03/2013 4:39 am

Is it me or does it sounds like whiter teeth in one week?

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(@dextranlady)

Posted : 05/03/2013 6:12 am

Yes since they put the product on market for veterinary uses I think we can buy it... it's strange.

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(@lapis-lazuli)

Posted : 05/03/2013 6:35 am

I don't think random people have access to medicines that are used by veterinarians.

Yes since they put the product on market for veterinary uses I think we can buy it... it's strange.

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Posted : 05/03/2013 9:01 am

 

I don't think random people have access to medicines that are used by veterinarians.

Yes since they put the product on market for veterinary uses I think we can buy it... it's strange.

But at least a veterinarian could test the produt at himself.

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(@panos)

Posted : 05/03/2013 10:47 am

"The dextran hydrogel for wound healing is to enter large animal trials this summer. If the trials are successful we will be entering the veterinary market within a year after that. Human trials will start shortly after we have entered the veterinary market. We cannot legally sell, or give away, the dextran hydrogel for wound healing until it has been approved by the FDA."

^^^^Where did you get this information?

Typing it on google,just comes with your profile and this thread.

Whats your sources.?Otherwise we have the right to believe that this is not true.

Please prove me wrong.

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