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Rez77,
Xerox Alto was the first PC released in 1973 that could revolutionize humanity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto
That computer was far ahead of its time, it had many of the characteristics of our modern computers like GUI (graphical user interface), Ethernet (100 compters were networked), object oriented programming (Smalltalk), it had the first mouse, WYSIWYG concept,... etc, it could really revolutionize humanity but it didn't because nobody in the world didn't care for it (including Xerox management!), so it was left to gather dust for another 7 years in PARC (Xerox's research center) until one day Steve Jobs came by and saw it and realized its great potential, but the other fact that is so schocking that even Steve Jobs failed to see its full potential, he was impressed only with Xerox Alto's GUI and nothing else!
Well I just hope that this 8020 hydrogel is like Xerox Alto. 
I mean it is claimed that it is scar free skin healing, complete skin regeneration with all skin appendages (hair follicles, oil glands) and blood vessels and accelerated reepithelization, what could be better than that!??
Man i am really afraid of the excising part.I am thinking some good abrasion procedure should also do the trick.
I am also considering about dermastamping multiple times till heavy bleeding with a 2mm stamp and then apply the scaffold.
Maybe we should join some biochemical and engineering forums and give them the patent.
I agree Panos excising the whole face would be a pretty big risk there must be a limit to how much regeneration this gel can do I mean putting an amputated leg in hydrogel wont magically grow a leg. I think I would go do a fraxel re:pair on a deep setting. Even if the hydrogel doesn't fully regenerate the skin, if it can minimise the risk to a minimum on the current procedures we have on the market then I still think it's a big leap.
My biggest fear for not getting fraxel or any other procedure is the risk of making the scars worse ( too many horror stories) but if this hydrogel can give it the best healing environment and help regenerate a significant amount of healthy scar free skin then it's a step in the right direction.
I do believe it's gonna happen in my lifetime and definitely want this to be the real deal so fingers crossed they get the funding.
Everyday I wake up and realize what is being fucked ... and that the solution will never come. hydrogel dream is to be in a delusion, for it takes a lot, do not dream guys.
seabs you should try to focus your energy and hope in realizing hydrogel. you should not hold your breath for it, because I do not think coming.
this is really sad, the creator of this gel is a fucking bastard scammer.
I am really angry.It comes sometimes to life a point when we should man the fuck up and solve problems.
I need this thing going as fast as possible.I believe in this .
Its obvious what we need is a slime enviroment ot promote scar free healing ,after excising the unorganized collagen mass that forms the scar.
ITS OBVIOUS: 1)Hydrogel works that way
2)There is scar free healing with the use of egg yolk oil(slummy enviroment)- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22737413
3) fetus is in the slummy and liquid enviroment of the womb,
So a dude here,REZ77,said he is going to jump into a bath full of hydrogel.
Well i think that is a good idea actually and generally.
Man i am going to derma stamp the shit out of the scar and then apply the egg yolk oil.
Can we test this?All we need is to replicate the way that was used to extract and make the egg yolk oil.
The study used fresh farm eggs.
FUUUCK SO COOL
'An egg yolk is the part of an egg that serves as the food source for the developing embryo inside'
So when we put the egg yolk oil topically,we just put our skin tissue inside an fetus enviroment again '
fuuuuck thats so cool.
I am really angry.It comes sometimes to life a point when we should man the fuck up and solve problems.
I need this thing going as fast as possible.I believe in this .
Its obvious what we need is a slime enviroment ot promote scar free healing ,after excising the unorganized collagen mass that forms the scar.
ITS OBVIOUS: 1)Hydrogel works that way
2)There is scar free healing with the use of egg yolk oil(slummy enviroment)- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22737413
3) fetus is in the slummy and liquid enviroment of the womb,
So a dude here,REZ77,said he is going to jump into a bath full of hydrogel.
Well i think that is a good idea actually and generally.
Man i am going to derma stamp the shit out of the scar and then apply the egg yolk oil.
Can we test this?All we need is to replicate the way that was used to extract and make the egg yolk oil.
The study used fresh farm eggs.
FUUUCK SO COOL
'An egg yolk is the part of an egg that serves as the food source for the developing embryo inside'
So when we put the egg yolk oil topically,we just put our skin tissue inside an fetus enviroment again '
fuuuuck thats so cool.
I ain't no fucking scientist lol, but you I mean you're obsessed with scar-free healing (which I doubt it's possible) why don't you become a scientist? maybe it's your vocation 
Back to the reality, scar-free is against the nature isn't it? scars show our battle wounds (well we no longer fight like we humans did 500 years ago and so on). As I said battle scars look sexy to me 
Damn Life....
First of all,scientists dont exist (or we are all scientists:)) ..I dont have to be something with a title to solve a problem.
From the other hand i believe scar free healing is possible.There are studies for this(even in Dr Derry study with the use of topical iodine).
White iodine will vanish some of my mild scars in the face.
All we need is getting rid of the unorganized fibroblasts and then replicating an enviroment where scar free will be possible.
When someone applies to a wound an egg yolk (oil) ,he surrounds the tissue andcovers it in a slummy fetal again enviroment.
Nature shows the way in healing.If nature shows that a slummy antimicrobial fetal enviroment promotes rapid healing,then we should replicate this
conditions.
There is a cure for everything.
not a scar. that's just a spot of port, a bloodstain, and removed with laser diode or ruby. hopefully our problems are just that.
This man works as a stockbroker in the largest brokerage firm in a city where I live:
Is that a 3rd degree burn or what?
forget egg oil, iodine, topirama...etc, it's all crap, believe me.
I am really angry.It comes sometimes to life a point when we should man the fuck up and solve problems.
I need this thing going as fast as possible.I believe in this .
Its obvious what we need is a slime enviroment ot promote scar free healing ,after excising the unorganized collagen mass that forms the scar.
ITS OBVIOUS: 1)Hydrogel works that way
2)There is scar free healing with the use of egg yolk oil(slummy enviroment)- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22737413
3) fetus is in the slummy and liquid enviroment of the womb,
So a dude here,REZ77,said he is going to jump into a bath full of hydrogel.
Well i think that is a good idea actually and generally.
Man i am going to derma stamp the shit out of the scar and then apply the egg yolk oil.
Can we test this?All we need is to replicate the way that was used to extract and make the egg yolk oil.
The study used fresh farm eggs.
FUUUCK SO COOL
'An egg yolk is the part of an egg that serves as the food source for the developing embryo inside'
So when we put the egg yolk oil topically,we just put our skin tissue inside an fetus enviroment again '
fuuuuck thats so cool.
I do believe it's gonna happen in my lifetime and definitely want this to be the real deal so fingers crossed they get the funding.
It's moving too slow for it to be the thing we'd like to see. If it was believed by all people involved to be a scarfree healing agent, like others have said, it would have been moving forward at a much higher pace already. So I'm no longer going to be keeping an eye on the hydrogel's non-existent progress as it's just not happening nor is it going to. Mark my words.
I am not gonna give up anyway.
I have some extremely boring 11 courses to take my degree and then i begin
study biology officialy in uni.
Its not about some scars,its about regeneration in everything is the most beautiful thing can ever happen.
Maldition,my raised scar ,most of it has gotten flat after iodine.I have taken some photos(webcam unfortunately) and hopefully i will update in the other thread after 30days.
I am tired of being dependent to all this health and bureaucracy system.
This system actually doesnt even promote health.
Though dont take me wrong.If we haveto blame someone,lets be honest and blame ourselves.
We want somehting to happen but we dont put the effort for it to happen.
There are even people ,that ask for updates,while not even trying the method that they want to see updates for.
Classic examole of such a person is maldition.Have you ever tried anything dude?
All i see is your whining and bitching that nothing works.
I even saw some post of you in the iodine thread saying:'' if you have results from it ,post them and inform me''..
We should blame our ownselves
I do believe it's gonna happen in my lifetime and definitely want this to be the real deal so fingers crossed they get the funding.
It's moving too slow for it to be the thing we'd like to see. If it was believed by all people involved to be a scarfree healing agent, like others have said, it would have been moving forward at a much higher pace already. So I'm no longer going to be keeping an eye on the hydrogel's non-existent progress as it's just not happening nor is it going to. Mark my words.
The pace of something moving along does not change the objective scientific facts in a testable scientific paper that proved scar free healing from a 3rd degree burn against a state of the art standard control scaffold tested on thousands of mammals.
Neither does an opinion change scientific fact . You could have an opinion that the world is flat, but I'd trust science and nautical maps that proves the world is not flat over the opinion of anyone who claims the world is flat. An opinion, note: to anyone who uses reason, does not get a free pass over a testable scientific paper that proves something against a control.
Neither does anyone ignoring a paper mean a scientific fact is wrong. It just means you are ignorant or have some confirmation bias or want the bias reciprocated. BTW you can ignore anything if you want but do not expect your opinion to have a free pass over a paper, or your opinion to be taken more seriously than a paper.
I do believe it's gonna happen in my lifetime and definitely want this to be the real deal so fingers crossed they get the funding.
It's moving too slow for it to be the thing we'd like to see. If it was believed by all people involved to be a scarfree healing agent, like others have said, it would have been moving forward at a much higher pace already. So I'm no longer going to be keeping an eye on the hydrogel's non-existent progress as it's just not happening nor is it going to. Mark my words.
The pace of something moving along does not change the objective scientific facts in a testable scientific paper that proved scar free healing from a 3rd degree burn against a state of the art standard control scaffold tested on thousands of mammals.
Neither does an opinion change scientific fact . You could have an opinion that the world is flat, but I'd trust science and nautical maps that proves the world is not flat over the opinion of anyone who claims the world is flat. An opinion, note: to anyone who uses reason, does not get a free pass over a testable scientific paper that proves something against a control.
Neither does anyone ignoring a paper mean a scientific fact is wrong. It just means you are ignorant or have some confirmation bias or want the bias reciprocated. BTW you can ignore anything if you want but do not expect your opinion to have a free pass over a paper, or your opinion to be taken more seriously than a paper.
Seabs, you're inexhaustable. I have to admire that. But this hydrogel isn't going anywhere man. Thinking otherwise at this point is like seeing the sky filling with dark clouds and hearing rumbling but still saying it's not going to rain. Just what I feel is the case. We would have heard different sounds coming from these people who spoke to wentworthwhile, I think his name is. Just what I think... These people would have sounded a lot more eager than they have.
It doesn't matter. The fact is this got scar free healing and is testable. It is a 800lb gorilla in the room that cannot be ignored. You cannot pretend it is not in the room. Again ignoring something does not change the facts in a scientific paper. All ignorance reinforces is perpetual ignorance and nonsense.
Seabs, you're inexhaustable. I have to admire that. But this hydrogel isn't going anywhere man. Thinking otherwise at this point is like seeing the sky filling with dark clouds and hearing rumbling but still saying it's not going to rain. Just what I feel is the case. We would have heard different sounds coming from these people who spoke to wentworthwhile, I think his name is. Just what I think... These people would have sounded a lot more eager than they have.
Man only way is to replicate the patent. That needs scientific knowledge no one of us here have mastered.
I am beginning biology.I love this stuff anyway.
The problem is the quality of the knowledge we have and the effort we put towards this.
ACNEORG is one of the biggest community there.But its also a bunch of dudes trying out whatever its been advertised
and is in fashion,they dont even keep at it for a considerable time. We are losing so many good chances to find a cure ,due to simply the attitude of the majority.
And this is where beauty industry comes ,scamming the hell out of people.
Hydrogel seems super legit.Putting a slummy scaffold with 3d structure and being biodegraded and eaten by the macrophagues,
doesnt seem like a scamming scenario or science fiction.
Panos, I've tested topiram... enala... (which was said to regenerate), bee veno..., peels,kitos... and much more experimental. (I have not tried iodine or egg oil, but they do not work because they have no scientific basis to prove it).
everything you think today, I believed it for years ... then if you're lucky enough to try things, you will realize that nothing works. just a miracle.
sometimes I miss the optimism we have when we are new to something ... we believe that the solution is there and stay positive. (Keep it up and never lose that optimism).
now I think many understand when I say 'I am not pessimistic ... I'm just realistic'. realism is what life gives you after you realize that optimism was only an illusion, then comes the truth, that is realistic, not negative, so, like life itself ...
holy shit i'm gone for two days and you guys go nuts. I mean i can't believe you guys criticize ME for being negative LOL.
But yeah, I'm feeling a bit sad to hear that I've convinced most of you this thing ain't happening. It sucks. It's funny though another thing that was supposed to regenerate skin is this stuff called RECELL you can read about elsewhere on this site, it's from AVITA. If you see all the new reports about it on youtube and the news it claims its a "spray-on skin" and that it is revolutionizing skin regeneration blah blah. All it does in reality is "slightly" minimize the damage done from deeper laser treatments. It don't regenerate shit. I had a skype consult with a UK doctor who uses it and he promised me only like 30-40 percent improvement of my scars with deep laser and RECELL spray on skin afterwards. And he said it would cost 10 grand. I mean give me a fucking break! RECELL has been approved in Europe and Canada for several years now and I can't find one scar or laser clinic in all of Canada that even uses it and there are like only two or three in the UK.
I guess this hydrogel is the same bullshit --an initial spike period where everyone thinks it's some miracle cure, and that's just the fucking scientists trying to get some fame and the goddamn news media that is always looking for a headline. Google fucking "cure for hair loss" and you'll see that predictions of it being available within "2 years" go back to fucking 1985!!!! And most recently this fucking year....
I'm sorry guys, I'm sorry life seems to suck as bad as it does. Honestly, I had high hopes when I first heard about this there was a lot banking on it for me. I wish I could just give you all a hug.
It doesn't matter. The fact is this got scar free healing and is testable. It is a 800lb gorilla in the room that cannot be ignored. You cannot pretend it is not in the room. Again ignoring something does not change the facts in a scientific paper. All ignorance reinforces is perpetual ignorance and nonsense.
Seabs, you're inexhaustable. I have to admire that. But this hydrogel isn't going anywhere man. Thinking otherwise at this point is like seeing the sky filling with dark clouds and hearing rumbling but still saying it's not going to rain. Just what I feel is the case. We would have heard different sounds coming from these people who spoke to wentworthwhile, I think his name is. Just what I think... These people would have sounded a lot more eager than they have.
I just tagged Dr Sun to the fb page asking him if hydrogel could used after non so abrasive methods like excision(for example
after heavy dermastamping).
This could be the easiest thing to test.And it doesnt seem risky to put, on an dermastamped scar ,a water and sugar gel.
We could test this on our own anytime .
We should discuss more about this paper:
http://ijl.sagepub.com/content/11/4/264.abstract
So I guess it is scar free healing, complete skin regenereation of a full thickness wound 10mm in diameter (regenerated epidermis, hair follicles, sebaceous glands and sweat glands) and completed reepithelization after only 7 days!? What do you think about it?
BTW this biopolymer scaffold for spinal cord injuries could be approved in 2014/2015 because it is a device and not a drug:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1329731-invivo-goes-2-for-2-seeking-uplisting?source=yahoo