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@evewaddell thanks and are you now using something for healing gut or what is your current treatment plan? If someone is living in mold environment what they can do (beside moving to another place)?
@evewaddell thanks and are you now using something for healing gut or what is your current treatment plan? If someone is living in mold environment what they can do (beside moving to another place)?
Im not doing much right now besides a histamine probiotic and histamine block. You can get HEPA filters however its a hit or miss with them. Best solution is to move out.
@bear001 Hi guys...its been some time since my last message..fibrosis is when your skin produce too much collagen as a result of constant inflammation and injury and your body not given enough time to heal before next agression by chemical like tretinoin etc...iv deduced that some skin tolerates well to tretinoin is due to their body having no inflammation issues, while i had mild eczema which further exacerbates this condition and my skin not able to heal well before being slapped by tretinnoin again and again daily....huhuh...poor skin...tis causes internal bumps, orange peel skin and hyperpigmentation...Mediland was the only clinic that describes what i experience despite visiting several derms and asthetician...my skin is getting better texture wise...iv just recently use azelaic acid which is given by my derm after months of using barely nothing except moisturizer...
im still in contact with mediland, since i foresee this might increase my body's immune system and heal my skin from eczema and maybe osteoarthritis though the latter is not an autoimmune disease ...i told Dr Olga kyiv is not an option for me...only poland..and based on Yola's advise i told her i wanted for stem cell IV treatment as well...she gave an updated quote of "Separately, intravenous cell injections will cost 7200 usd . you will also need 3-4 days of full treatment, including intravenous + local treatment.The Total amount of complete treatment will be 11200 $ "...but this treatment in poland is much more expensive than kyiv hence a lot of things in the kyiv package not included...im still trying to nego with her on accommodation n more details on the treatment...i would be scheduling an online video session with her...on this note, maybe we an also have one session amongst us to share latest update...that wud be great...thats all for now...take care
@bear001 Hi guys...its been some time since my last message..fibrosis is when your skin produce too much collagen as a result of constant inflammation and injury and your body not given enough time to heal before next agression by chemical like tretinoin etc...iv deduced that some skin tolerates well to tretinoin is due to their body having no inflammation issues, while i had mild eczema which further exacerbates this condition and my skin not able to heal well before being slapped by tretinnoin again and again daily....huhuh...poor skin...tis causes internal bumps, orange peel skin and hyperpigmentation...Mediland was the only clinic that describes what i experience despite visiting several derms and asthetician...my skin is getting better texture wise...iv just recently use azelaic acid which is given by my derm after months of using barely nothing except moisturizer...
im still in contact with mediland, since i foresee this might increase my body's immune system and heal my skin from eczema and maybe osteoarthritis though the latter is not an autoimmune disease ...i told Dr Olga kyiv is not an option for me...only poland..and based on Yola's advise i told her i wanted for stem cell IV treatment as well...she gave an updated quote of "Separately, intravenous cell injections will cost 7200 usd . you will also need 3-4 days of full treatment, including intravenous + local treatment.The Total amount of complete treatment will be 11200 $ "...but this treatment in poland is much more expensive than kyiv hence a lot of things in the kyiv package not included...im still trying to nego with her on accommodation n more details on the treatment...i would be scheduling an online video session with her...on this note, maybe we an also have one session amongst us to share latest update...that wud be great...thats all for now...take care
Is it the same type treatment in Poland? How much is it in Poland?
@evewaddell same treatment in Poland..exosomes, cytokin injections, msc via injection and IV...total 11200 usd...the previous price quoted for Kyiv treatment is 4800usd which covers all above except for IV... are you set on going to Mexico for treatment after delivery since I read you are currently pregnant right ?
@bear001 Hi guys...its been some time since my last message..fibrosis is when your skin produce too much collagen as a result of constant inflammation and injury and your body not given enough time to heal before next agression by chemical like tretinoin etc...iv deduced that some skin tolerates well to tretinoin is due to their body having no inflammation issues, while i had mild eczema which further exacerbates this condition and my skin not able to heal well before being slapped by tretinnoin again and again daily....huhuh...poor skin...tis causes internal bumps, orange peel skin and hyperpigmentation...Mediland was the only clinic that describes what i experience despite visiting several derms and asthetician...my skin is getting better texture wise...iv just recently use azelaic acid which is given by my derm after months of using barely nothing except moisturizer...
im still in contact with mediland, since i foresee this might increase my body's immune system and heal my skin from eczema and maybe osteoarthritis though the latter is not an autoimmune disease ...i told Dr Olga kyiv is not an option for me...only poland..and based on Yola's advise i told her i wanted for stem cell IV treatment as well...she gave an updated quote of "Separately, intravenous cell injections will cost 7200 usd . you will also need 3-4 days of full treatment, including intravenous + local treatment.The Total amount of complete treatment will be 11200 $ "...but this treatment in poland is much more expensive than kyiv hence a lot of things in the kyiv package not included...im still trying to nego with her on accommodation n more details on the treatment...i would be scheduling an online video session with her...on this note, maybe we an also have one session amongst us to share latest update...that wud be great...thats all for now...take care
Why kyiv is not option for you? Because of war?
I have been offered full program that cost 16 - 20 K $ in Kyiv (local and IV treatment). Does 11 200 $ includes IV and local treatment as it much less expensive than program they offered me...
@evewaddell same treatment in Poland..exosomes, cytokin injections, msc via injection and IV...total 11200 usd...the previous price quoted for Kyiv treatment is 4800usd which covers all above except for IV... are you set on going to Mexico for treatment after delivery since I read you are currently pregnant right ?
but if you only concern is skin texture maybe try low dose/microdose accutane (it often helps with orange peel skin texture) . Or what are your current skin conditions you are dealing with? Mine is skin texture and rosacea (rosacea, redness is IMO bigger issue)
@evewaddell same treatment in Poland..exosomes, cytokin injections, msc via injection and IV...total 11200 usd...the previous price quoted for Kyiv treatment is 4800usd which covers all above except for IV... are you set on going to Mexico for treatment after delivery since I read you are currently pregnant right ?
but if you only concern is skin texture maybe try low dose/microdose accutane (it often helps with orange peel skin texture) . Or what are your current skin conditions you are dealing with? Mine is skin texture and rosacea (rosacea, redness is IMO bigger issue)
There is no way I would ever touch Accutane. Its extremely dangerous and not recommended in many countries. Destroys your liver. I have severe neurogenic burning ,redness and flushing in the face but its an internal issue. I probably wont be going to Mexico as they do not offer the tailored treatment that I need to heal from within.
@evewaddell same treatment in Poland..exosomes, cytokin injections, msc via injection and IV...total 11200 usd...the previous price quoted for Kyiv treatment is 4800usd which covers all above except for IV... are you set on going to Mexico for treatment after delivery since I read you are currently pregnant right ?
but if you only concern is skin texture maybe try low dose/microdose accutane (it often helps with orange peel skin texture) . Or what are your current skin conditions you are dealing with? Mine is skin texture and rosacea (rosacea, redness is IMO bigger issue)
There is no way I would ever touch Accutane. Its extremely dangerous and not recommended in many countries. Destroys your liver. I have severe neurogenic burning ,redness and flushing in the face but its an internal issue. I probably wont be going to Mexico as they do not offer the tailored treatment that I need to heal from within.
Accutane very often can help where other treatment options failed. In your case (flushing, disrupted skin barrier) accutane probably can make things worse, but if someone has only textural changes (without any flushing, burning sensations) accutane can works pretty well (in small dosage - 5mg per day)
Why kyiv is not option for you? Because of war? Yup and insurance
I have been offered full program that cost 16 - 20 K $ in Kyiv (local and IV treatment). Does 11 200 $ includes IV and local treatment as it much less expensive than program they offered me...
11 200 $ covers IV n local treatments that I have shared here before....im still not clear what's covered n not in comparison from the 20k package..but I think it's the no of trips..Dr Olga's email response is very fast but only vaguely explained on treatment package....hence why I wanted to do realtime session wt her...but she also mentioned that the full 20k package in the website is Kyiv pricing..for Poland it wud be 30k...so my 11k + package does not include 2 trips of treatment..but Yola's treatment does.. so I believe yours might be the same as Yola's ?
Why kyiv is not option for you? Because of war? Yup and insurance
I have been offered full program that cost 16 - 20 K $ in Kyiv (local and IV treatment). Does 11 200 $ includes IV and local treatment as it much less expensive than program they offered me...
11 200 $ covers IV n local treatments that I have shared here before....im still not clear what's covered n not in comparison from the 20k package..but I think it's the no of trips..Dr Olga's email response is very fast but only vaguely explained on treatment package....hence why I wanted to do realtime session wt her...but she also mentioned that the full 20k package in the website is Kyiv pricing..for Poland it wud be 30k...so my 11k + package does not include 2 trips of treatment..but Yola's treatment does.. so I believe yours might be the same as Yola's ?
hm that makes sense. But she has not mentioned that full program is 2 x trip. Maybe I ask her later and I will give here some update.
What is your main problem? Do you have only textural changes (orange peel skin texture) or you have also some redness, skin sensitivity?
Why kyiv is not option for you? Because of war? Yup and insurance
I have been offered full program that cost 16 - 20 K $ in Kyiv (local and IV treatment). Does 11 200 $ includes IV and local treatment as it much less expensive than program they offered me...
11 200 $ covers IV n local treatments that I have shared here before....im still not clear what's covered n not in comparison from the 20k package..but I think it's the no of trips..Dr Olga's email response is very fast but only vaguely explained on treatment package....hence why I wanted to do realtime session wt her...but she also mentioned that the full 20k package in the website is Kyiv pricing..for Poland it wud be 30k...so my 11k + package does not include 2 trips of treatment..but Yola's treatment does.. so I believe yours might be the same as Yola's ?
Can you tell me if Olga has wrote out an actual plan of what the stem cell IV contains? Because theres a lot to different stem cells they use and add stuff. My treatment plan with them is completely different tailored to my needs
Textural issues....no longer have orange peel..but left with damage residue..small tiny bumps that won't go away plus hyperpigmentation on these bumps, skin have some lines and connecting patterns...just like what Yola describes abt her skin minus the sensitivity.....skin no longer super sensitive like it used to be ...but still dry..
She hasn't written out detail quotation or plan yet....asking her for it...
Textural issues....no longer have orange peel..but left with damage residue..small tiny bumps that won't go away plus hyperpigmentation on these bumps, skin have some lines and connecting patterns...just like what Yola describes abt her skin minus the sensitivity.....skin no longer super sensitive like it used to be ...but still dry..
She hasn't written out detail quotation or plan yet....asking her for it...
Let us know the treatment details ! Id love to hear what it involves
Why kyiv is not option for you? Because of war? Yup and insurance
I have been offered full program that cost 16 - 20 K $ in Kyiv (local and IV treatment). Does 11 200 $ includes IV and local treatment as it much less expensive than program they offered me...
11 200 $ covers IV n local treatments that I have shared here before....im still not clear what's covered n not in comparison from the 20k package..but I think it's the no of trips..Dr Olga's email response is very fast but only vaguely explained on treatment package....hence why I wanted to do realtime session wt her...but she also mentioned that the full 20k package in the website is Kyiv pricing..for Poland it wud be 30k...so my 11k + package does not include 2 trips of treatment..but Yola's treatment does.. so I believe yours might be the same as Yola's ?
Can you tell me if Olga has wrote out an actual plan of what the stem cell IV contains? Because theres a lot to different stem cells they use and add stuff. My treatment plan with them is completely different tailored to my needs
she sent me this message
We have comprehensive programs that combine the use of intravenous injections + local ones. The basis of all therapy is based on stem therapy + progenitor cells, which in combination trigger the work and stimulation of dormant cells, and also replace damaged tissues. Stem cells are of embryonic, fetal, and umbilical cord origin.
Full program is 20,000 USD (now until the end of August the promotion is 16,000 USD , you can fix the price for 6 month make 10% prepayment). In time, there are 4 days of complex therapy.
Local treatment costs from 4200-7000 USD , on average it takes 2 days.
Why kyiv is not option for you? Because of war? Yup and insurance
I have been offered full program that cost 16 - 20 K $ in Kyiv (local and IV treatment). Does 11 200 $ includes IV and local treatment as it much less expensive than program they offered me...
11 200 $ covers IV n local treatments that I have shared here before....im still not clear what's covered n not in comparison from the 20k package..but I think it's the no of trips..Dr Olga's email response is very fast but only vaguely explained on treatment package....hence why I wanted to do realtime session wt her...but she also mentioned that the full 20k package in the website is Kyiv pricing..for Poland it wud be 30k...so my 11k + package does not include 2 trips of treatment..but Yola's treatment does.. so I believe yours might be the same as Yola's ?
Can you tell me if Olga has wrote out an actual plan of what the stem cell IV contains? Because theres a lot to different stem cells they use and add stuff. My treatment plan with them is completely different tailored to my needs
she sent me this message
We have comprehensive programs that combine the use of intravenous injections + local ones. The basis of all therapy is based on stem therapy + progenitor cells, which in combination trigger the work and stimulation of dormant cells, and also replace damaged tissues. Stem cells are of embryonic, fetal, and umbilical cord origin.
Full program is 20,000 USD (now until the end of August the promotion is 16,000 USD , you can fix the price for 6 month make 10% prepayment). In time, there are 4 days of complex therapy.
Local treatment costs from 4200-7000 USD , on average it takes 2 days.
Its not very specific as to why and how the IV works in the inside? I guess thats what I was wondering about
My treatment plan on the left and comparison to Yola's on d right. There are some differences in the red rectangles iv highlighted. She is charging me 16k now after discount for a full plan including accomodation hotel etc. Previous pricing 11.2k usd is without. I experience some misunderstanding which can be confusing on the plans and sometimes she say one thing but it meant a diff thing. Maybe language barrier. Both not english native speakers So whatever she says needs to be clearly documented and clarified to avoid problems later.
Last page..the T&C
Last page..the T&C
Its a very similar treatment. The fact youre getting a detox done is a good thing. You need to detox your body or your skin wont heal.
Last page..the T&C
Are you definitely going ?
@evewaddell yes..in Oct '24
@evewaddell yes..in Oct '24
I think I will be planning to go around this time also. I have provided my test results to Mediland and they said they can detox my blood , get rid of the mold toxicity/lyme, ongoing infections and through that my inflammation would go down which would help with the skin healing. Im at my wits end with everything thats going on with my health and I feel like if I dont detox and do the stem cells internally, my skin will never ever recover.
For anyone considering the Poland location, I think you should know the quality of stem cells there is deteriorated . A few people went to the Poland location and got no results whatsoever. When I contacted Mediland, they said they're having problems with the company that transports the stem cells to Poland and are unable to verify the integrity of the cells after transporting. So I don't know why they are offering services in Poland still, but I would not spend thousands of dollars for stem cells that are not guaranteed to be viable. Only in Ukraine are they stored correctly and have their original integrity. Of course, everyone can do what they feel is right because I understand going to Ukraine at this moment is scary for some, but I just wanted to share this information for anyone looking to get the treatment because they deserve to know.
For anyone considering the Poland location, I think you should know the quality of stem cells there is deteriorated . A few people went to the Poland location and got no results whatsoever. When I contacted Mediland, they said they're having problems with the company that transports the stem cells to Poland and are unable to verify the integrity of the cells after transporting. So I don't know why they are offering services in Poland still, but I would not spend thousands of dollars for stem cells that are not guaranteed to be viable. Only in Ukraine are they stored correctly and have their original integrity. Of course, everyone can do what they feel is right because I understand going to Ukraine at this moment is scary for some, but I just wanted to share this information for anyone looking to get the treatment because they deserve to know.
Mediland told you this information? From what I know, the people who went to have the treatment done only did the skin treatment.. this is not enough to heal. If you have long chronic skin inflammation, I can guarantee you that you will not benefit from only topical skin treatment. I went to Ukraine myself last year and only did the skin treatment and it failed. You have to address the inflammation on the inside
@evewaddell Yes, Olga told me this directly. She said they are having issues with the carrier company and there is no way to test the stem cells after transporting them. Now that doesn't define that the stem cells aren't viable, but it's obviously risky. And I've talked to someone that went to Poland that got both the IV and intradermal injections and hasn't seen any healing from it. Until they are able to test their stem cell integrity after the transportation process, I would say getting the procedure in Poland is a huge gamble.