Robert, please stay off of saw palmetto. It might not have effected some of these guys, but if you have ED from accutane it will likely make things worse since you're already succeptible to it.

Many men have thought saw palmetto is completely safe since it is natural, and have been left completely decimated sexually by it. It is an anti-androgen.

On 1/31/2013 at 12:58 AM, Robert1000 said:

On 1/30/2013 at 2:03 PM, Livetoregret said:

On 1/30/2013 at 4:37 AM, IndigoRush said:

I just found out something pretty interesting..

Emma Stone - Y'know who I'm talking about.

Here's a quote: After two months on Accutane, I went off of it, and since then, my skin, my mouth, my lips, my eyes are all so dryStone said, After two months on Accutane, I went off of it, and since then, my skin, my mouth, my lips, my eyes are all so dry

She's an A-Lister. It doesn't mention when she took the drug, but you never know... This could work in our favour.

I'm feeling pretty good right now.

CBT is something you ought to consider.

(Website where I found the quote: [Edited link out]/)

She's so lucky that she was only on it 2 mnths...

Its not about how long you took it. Look at me , i took it only 3 months, only 20mg a day. After stoping accutane, my oily face came back as before accutane, as well as acne. Then in few months, out of nowhere, my skin got dry, the hair loss occured, and all the other problems. There are people who took it just 1 week and experience side effects. It seems as, no matter how low your dossage is, or how short is the treatment period, accutane could affect u in every way.

We should sue the bastards.

Thats 100% what happened to me, 12 mnth course though, 4 weeks off it hair starts falling out, it took 12 months for the dryness to really kick in - which was the duration of my time on it, there has to be some correlation between these symptoms.

I think I my body is not absorbing any nutrients from food or water, I have chronic diarrhea for days on end when I have only eaten fruit & veg and drunk water - I just cannot comprehend the destruction this drug has caused my body.

So far from my reasearch nobody has been able to sue for hairloss or skin issues after taking it..pls let me know if Im wrong.

 

I won't use it long oli girl , around a month or so tops , I took it last year for about the same time frame and like I said before I had no ill effects only positive ones , but like anything moderation is key , I'm loving the hair growth though it's quite an amazing herb. (=

I'm so glad you said you are going to practice moderation; I can't forsee any problems. It shouldn't take any middle aged man more than a little while to control (reverse) baldness. I'm equally certain that an anti-androgen shouldn't make your fatigue and brain fog any worse (or induce further epigenetic changes).

Oli Girl said No Such thing! It takes a lot to get under my skin and really to you I can only say F**CK OFF! To be honest I'am well aware of the propeica website, and have had numerous contact with one the main people on that fourm who has been working with scientist regarding propecia etc I even sent people his way.....He contacted me after posting a long thread on Acne.org regarding Accutane and propecia similar side effects.

On another note almost 4yrs ago I was almost dead, though I developed 3 autoimmune (2 right after accutane) and a bone issues, I am acutally doing really well, partly as I got answers to my issues, and have done what has worked for me! In return I don't loose my hair, I don't have nerve issues, depression and soo on.... Everyone is diffrent on what works for them depending what the issue is my friend....... I could go on but your not worth my time.

Oli Girl said No Such thing! It takes a lot to get under my skin and really to you I can only say F**CK OFF! To be honest I'am well aware of the propeica website, and have had numerous contact with one the main people on that fourm who has been working with scientist regarding propecia etc I even sent people his way.....He contacted me after posting a long thread on Acne.org regarding Accutane and propecia similar side effects.

ANGRY MUCH? I didn't say anything which was untoward to anyone SERIOUS about health. I don't consider you to be serious about health though; you are here to flirt with Indigo and others and indulge in intellectually bankrupt/convenient thinking. Why don't you make a video, too, if you want to take full advantage? I am sorry for falling short. The quote was an accident.

I'm sure your contact (Awor) over at Propeciahelp would be delighted that you are condoning moderate and careful use of an easily accessible anti-androgen.

 

Any opinions as to suffering from the severe dryness 2 years post treatment?

Is it possible this could be a permanent side effect setting in just like the hairloss has?

My skin issues started happening last May ( already one year + off accutane) - I Did not experience dryness throughout the course.

I am watching my skin dry our like an old boot, deep wrinkles are forming and theres nothing I can do this is devastating on top of the hairloss..please help guys :'(

Listen,

There is nothing anybody can say to make you feel better.

I'm sorry, and I have no idea how bad your skin and hair-loss are, but you have to accept that there isn't any way to fix this right now.

I don't want to sound harsh, because I know how frustrating it is and you just wish more than anything you didn't take this drug.

But you did take it and everybody here and elsewhere can empathise with you on that.

Luckily my skin isn't too dry. It's not the best, but I can deal with it.

Somehow, you're going to have to concentrate on something else.

Or else, you can ignore my advice and sink deep into severe depression meanwhile feeling all the more stressed out that nothing is helping.

Trust me on this, you're best chance of recovery is trusting in your body's own healing powers.

Eat well, exercise and all that, but without the intention of a quick-fix.

I can't promise you that you'll ever recover and be the person you want to be, but this will consume you if you let it.

Feel free to talk to me privately if you like.

I'm happy to offer advice.

The quote 'Life is what you make it' somewhat applies.

Of course, it isn't entirely true.

It should be 'Life is what you make of what you're given. Shit happens. Do your best to survive the shit'.

Sending love x

Thanks for the kind words Stef,

Ive already been deeply depressed and suicidal for over a year now, I am doing my best to cope any way I can but this has so severely impacted me to my core,i cannot function normally in my life, I spend all my spare time searching for an answer that does not exist, I am only sleeping 4 hrs a night and waking up every 2 hrs due to the anxiety. How can you function day to day with chronic pain and discomfort?

This experience has turned me into a bitter, depressed recluse recluse because the physical impact is to much to bare, I go to work and then go home and hide from the world I am so embarrassed that this is what I have become physically and have aged so much beyond my years.

I fear for the future, I fear being bald, my skin being like this forever, my stomach issues are worsening every week, my wrists and knees and shoulders ache I just cannot physically or mentally handle what this drug is capable of after discontinuing taking it.

I do not believe there is any other medication that can damage a body to the extent that roaccutane can especially after you have stopped taking it...with everything we know in the modern world how can they allow this to happen to innocent people...

Hello all,

I am so sorry to hear of everyone's health problems. I really hope we can work together to find a cure, and at the least some symptomatic relief. I took accutane when i was 16 y/o and I am now 24. I live in the US. I have increasingly been watching my hair fall out, have an insanely itchy scalp (especially after wheat products), extreme constipation and bloating, joint pain, spine pain, bone pain, dry eyes, dry skin, you name it. I have noticed a dramatic effect in eye lubricatio nand joint lubrication since taking Hyaluronic acid on a daily basis. It makes me extra thirsty, but I find that taking whole cloves of garlic helps my body absorb the water more and I end up drinking a closer to normal amount of water per day versus like 7 gallons (exaggeration). Has anyone tried MMS or fulvic acid? I tried fulvic a while back and saw some results with regard to joint pain relief, but it did nothing for my digestion, plus there are some extreme risk with taking it when mixed with flourinated or chlorinated water, such as making carcinognic properties. I spoke with a gentleman whom I am sure some of you may have contacted call who has mentioned his success with MMS with regard to oxygenating the body, and killing off the bad bacteria in the mucosal lining. Has anyone tried this product? There is so much controversy with regard to the FDA and also the sketchy webpage for MMS which seems like a scam, but this person has stated that he has been taking it for 3 years and it has remediated his symptoms, but has not cured him. Any input would be great.

I hope you all are trying to stay positive. Fuck, I work in mental health and I literally just want to not go see my clients anymore since I just want to focus on myself. It's been next to impossible to provide counseling when I am struggling to counsel myself everyday, but to no avail since it's my brain chemistry. Anyways, trying to keep positive and trying to find new options to treat myself. I'm willing to try anything at this point!!

Cheers.

Hey man.

Welcome to the forum.

Ironic that you are a counselor

The amount of times I told myself I'm depressed because of brain chemistry...

Clearly Accutane can and does cause depression.

Some speak of changes in the hippo-campus and brain inflammation. Or serotonin.

We're not doctors so we can't possibly conclude what's try, BUT mindfulness meditation is proven to change the brain physically for the better.

I'm sure it's not the only thing, but it's just good to point out that the brain is elastic.

What you think and your attitude are very important, even when things are pretty grim.

You can make yourself more depressed for sure.

Personally I think MMS is a bunch of shit.

I know you're referring to Nathan Carr - The same guy who claims this drug changes DNA.

I don't buy it personally. It sounds plausible because it's sciency, but Accutane isn't the only drug to leave long-term side effects and there's not people dying an early death from this drug (though you could argue it's not been around long enough).

I seriously doubt it would work, but why would he lie, right? I don't know.

I've spoken to the guy in the past and there's no way he's not an Accutane sufferer.

Mixed thoughts.

 

Oli Girl said No Such thing! It takes a lot to get under my skin and really to you I can only say F**CK OFF! To be honest I'am well aware of the propeica website, and have had numerous contact with one the main people on that fourm who has been working with scientist regarding propecia etc I even sent people his way.....He contacted me after posting a long thread on Acne.org regarding Accutane and propecia similar side effects.

ANGRY MUCH? I didn't say anything which was untoward to anyone SERIOUS about health. I don't consider you to be serious about health though; you are here to flirt with Indigo and others and indulge in intellectually bankrupt/convenient thinking. Why don't you make a video, too, if you want to take full advantage? I am sorry for falling short. The quote was an accident.

Wohhh.

What's going on here?

Personally, I didn't see the issue as I agree that Saw Palmetto is a big risk based on what other people have said.

At the same time, I respect that people can decide things themselves.

I wouldn't touch it myself, but my hair-loss is likely not as severe as other people's and I can manage it fairly well.

For the record though, Oli Girl has never once flirted with me or anybody else here.

I've seen her spend a lot of her time trying to help others and it's not a fair comment to say she's not serious about health.

Why are you saying that?

And I don't make YouTube videos to take 'full advantage'.

I used to make videos for fun 6 years ago.

It's only been a year or so that I've used Google Ads and I get paid about £1 a day.

I don't do it for the money.

 

Any opinions as to suffering from the severe dryness 2 years post treatment?

Is it possible this could be a permanent side effect setting in just like the hairloss has?

My skin issues started happening last May ( already one year + off accutane) - I Did not experience dryness throughout the course.

I am watching my skin dry our like an old boot, deep wrinkles are forming and theres nothing I can do this is devastating on top of the hairloss..please help guys :'(

Listen,

There is nothing anybody can say to make you feel better.

I'm sorry, and I have no idea how bad your skin and hair-loss are, but you have to accept that there isn't any way to fix this right now.

I don't want to sound harsh, because I know how frustrating it is and you just wish more than anything you didn't take this drug.

But you did take it and everybody here and elsewhere can empathise with you on that.

Luckily my skin isn't too dry. It's not the best, but I can deal with it.

Somehow, you're going to have to concentrate on something else.

Or else, you can ignore my advice and sink deep into severe depression meanwhile feeling all the more stressed out that nothing is helping.

Trust me on this, you're best chance of recovery is trusting in your body's own healing powers.

Eat well, exercise and all that, but without the intention of a quick-fix.

I can't promise you that you'll ever recover and be the person you want to be, but this will consume you if you let it.

Feel free to talk to me privately if you like.

I'm happy to offer advice.

The quote 'Life is what you make it' somewhat applies.

Of course, it isn't entirely true.

It should be 'Life is what you make of what you're given. Shit happens. Do your best to survive the shit'.

Sending love x

Thanks for the kind words Stef,

Ive already been deeply depressed and suicidal for over a year now, I am doing my best to cope any way I can but this has so severely impacted me to my core,i cannot function normally in my life, I spend all my spare time searching for an answer that does not exist, I am only sleeping 4 hrs a night and waking up every 2 hrs due to the anxiety. How can you function day to day with chronic pain and discomfort?

This experience has turned me into a bitter, depressed recluse recluse because the physical impact is to much to bare, I go to work and then go home and hide from the world I am so embarrassed that this is what I have become physically and have aged so much beyond my years.

I fear for the future, I fear being bald, my skin being like this forever, my stomach issues are worsening every week, my wrists and knees and shoulders ache I just cannot physically or mentally handle what this drug is capable of after discontinuing taking it.

I do not believe there is any other medication that can damage a body to the extent that roaccutane can especially after you have stopped taking it...with everything we know in the modern world how can they allow this to happen to innocent people...

I know.

If there's something this drug induces, it's Fear.

But you don't need to worry about the Future.

You only ever have to deal with the Present, and I know that the Present sucks right now, but you need to make every effort to stop Googling everything.

I remember doing the same when I used to come home from work.

This consumed my life entirely and I was so scared.

I worried about going bald too. You need to realise that some of your thoughts are irrational. You're not going to go bald.

Honestly, I doubt your hair will get worse.

I'm not able to say it'll get better, but don't worry about things until or unless you have to.

You could say that it's a lot worse for a woman to lose hair.

Probably true, although Men are a lot more self-conscious these days.

My hair gets really wirey at the sides, but I learned to accept that and get regular hair cuts every 4-6 weeks.

I'm lucky my Dad has pretty good hair. Some people my age go bald and they can't do anything about it.

What you're doing (and everyone in this Forum has done the same before, and maybe they're still trapped in the cycle) is the equivalent of a War Veteran Googling for answers as to how he'll be able to play sports again. But he doesn't have legs.

It's not to say that your problems will be permanent, but you'll likely have them for a while. There's the odd story of recovery from this, even if it's with extreme measures like fasting or going 100% Raw. To me, it doesn't mean you have to do those things, unless you think you'd find it easy. It just means it is POSSIBLE to heal from some of the damage.

Just remember that you can't possibly get better when you're stressed out.

Your body will not be able to heal during this.

You won't find the answers so the sooner you give up the battle, the better because you're energy won't be wasted and you'll have less expectations and therefore less reason to feel constantly disappointed.

You can go on about how terrible it is than this has happened.

You're right, it is very bad.

But that, again, won't make you feel better.

You'll just be fixed in Victim world.

Yeah, sleep is going to be affected if you have Anxiety.

The mind running around constantly with fear and unresolved questions will not be a good sleep-inducer.

You should see a counselor because this isn't just Physical.

You need to deal with how this has affected you emotionally.

There's nothing shameful about doing this. It's a form of acceptance and saying 'I need somebody's help'.

They won't be able to fix your problems, but I'm sure it's worth trying.

CBT, as I've mentioned, could help too.

A lot of your thoughts won't be rational.

You don't have to spend all your spare time concentrating on this.

It is a horrible trap and you need to escape it now.

I have some horrible side effects. The worst probably being really bad digestion/constipation and sexual dysfunction. It's beyond low sex drive. The guys will probably understand, if they have this problem. I would worry because when not erect (most of the time) a lot of the time my penis would be numb and look... just weird. Not what a guy wants to deal with every day! It literally shrivels up and feels like it isn't part of me, and I know a bunch of Propecia guys mention this too.

It's like something from a horror film.

BUT, I can still enjoy sex and when I do have an erection (way too much information??) it looks completely fine and I can remind myself when it is all strange looking that that's not permanent. Again, there's nothing I can do anyway apart from hope for the best.

I'm not happy all of the time but nobody else is and you'll come to realise that everybody on this earth has their own battles, fears and anxieties.

I really want to see you get better and the first step for you is to say 'Okay Stefan, I'm going to start making changes and I'm going to work at getting a normal life again'. I've felt more energetic since I've not been obsessing and worrying constantly about trying to fix all my side effects, or else worrying about 'what if' they never go away.

We weren't born to suffer for our whole life.

You gotta have the faith, the faith, the faith

xx

 

I'm on the third mounth of accutane . Just i I started using the drug i noticed that my hair is thinning noticabily in the all scalp (front, back and sides) . My dermatologist told me that the hair worsened only in quality and not in quantity . In fact not fall more hair than normal but the worsening in quality are incredible now ....My hair have always been quite thin but now are a very shit ,dry,dull and fine,fine,fine.... . I could not bear to have permanently ruined my hair......Do you think that is only a temporary worsening and should not worry because the hair does not fall or i I have to stop treatment?

Thank you so much

Well people have started loosing thier hair right after thier course. I am tell you to stop taking accutane! Thing is I nor anyone elese can tell you that you have to bear your hair issue permanently. I mean think of it this way too maybe your acne is hormonal? Have you tried diet or light therapy? Basically you have to choose acne or hair and health?

I'm only on third mounth whit a low dosage (20 mg 1 mounth , 30 mg 2 mounth) ,acne go better even if it is not resolved . I will continue another month then stop and try to fix the damage of hair . I think that the accutane's dose taken would also be relatively small and could dispose of it quickly . I'm desperate, I'm afraid I got in a street with no way out .

Andrew> Like you i was on 20mg for 3 months, i have noticed severe hair thinning on the top of the scalp. I have decided to pull the plug off Accutane. Like many have said there are no cures for acne. No point winning an acne battle and losing your health or hair. By the way i also developed IBS from taking accutane. LAstly, i was on the second round of accutane before i call it off cause the first round i did not have any side effects at all.

Wohhh.

What's going on here?

Personally, I didn't see the issue as I agree that Saw Palmetto is a big risk based on what other people have said.

At the same time, I respect that people can decide things themselves.

I wouldn't touch it myself, but my hair-loss is likely not as severe as other people's and I can manage it fairly well.

For the record though, Oli Girl has never once flirted with me or anybody else here.

I've seen her spend a lot of her time trying to help others and it's not a fair comment to say she's not serious about health.

Why are you saying that?

And I don't make YouTube videos to take 'full advantage'.

I used to make videos for fun 6 years ago.

It's only been a year or so that I've used Google Ads and I get paid about 1 a day.

I don't do it for the money.

I appreciate your subjective reading of my response to Oli Girl but I mentioned you once; and, to be perfectly frank, none of the superfluous commentary you made is pertinent to what was said. In a word: the talk of making a video does not apply to you. If you feel that I was calling into question your penchant for video making, you may be mistaking me with others who have said this thread has lost its direction and their corollary point making on that subject.

Please consider that if I had not been sufficiently rigorous with my point making vis-a-vis Oli Girl, I would have faced the same short fused, woman scorned bravado and umbrage that she so eloquently exhibited in her first attack. This fact is evidenced by her lack of retort. If the words are conspicuously lacking as it were, its because no words are needed.

Guys, let's not fight here. We are here to help each other.

This topic should be used just by Accutane Sufferers!!! And i feel that some people dont respect the topic name which is "Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane" !!!

Please dont use this topic to post some nonsense things which are not related to this topic. People who didnt take Accutane and people who dont experience bad side effects from the use of Accutane, should not write posts in this topic, unless then could help us, the accutane sufferers, in some way...

THANKS!

Robert, you are being helped by fellow accutane sufferers.

You said accutane caused you to experience severe ED and severe depression and were considering using substances to reverse your hair loss.

A few of us accutane victims have spoken directly with many guys who are suffering from severe ED and severe depression after using one of those same substances (saw palmetto) that an uninformed person here is reccomending you take.

We feel it is an obligation to warn others not to make the same mistake those guys did. Don't you wish someone would have warned you not to take accutane?

You wan't help? Then use a topical formula to reverse the hair loss. Don't take any damn anti-androgenic pills or anti-androgenic natural supplements.

If you still feel this is nonsense, then go ahead and grab a bottle of saw palmetto. You obviously didn't learn your lesson from accutane.

If your sides happen to get worse from SP just remember, I PMed you not to use anything like that and you were clearly warned by camaroZ28.
It's not worth it.

Hello all,

I am so sorry to hear of everyone's health problems. I really hope we can work together to find a cure, and at the least some symptomatic relief. I took accutane when i was 16 y/o and I am now 24. I live in the US. I have increasingly been watching my hair fall out, have an insanely itchy scalp (especially after wheat products), extreme constipation and bloating, joint pain, spine pain, bone pain, dry eyes, dry skin, you name it. I have noticed a dramatic effect in eye lubricatio nand joint lubrication since taking Hyaluronic acid on a daily basis. It makes me extra thirsty, but I find that taking whole cloves of garlic helps my body absorb the water more and I end up drinking a closer to normal amount of water per day versus like 7 gallons (exaggeration). Has anyone tried MMS or fulvic acid? I tried fulvic a while back and saw some results with regard to joint pain relief, but it did nothing for my digestion, plus there are some extreme risk with taking it when mixed with flourinated or chlorinated water, such as making carcinognic properties. I spoke with a gentleman whom I am sure some of you may have contacted call who has mentioned his success with MMS with regard to oxygenating the body, and killing off the bad bacteria in the mucosal lining. Has anyone tried this product? There is so much controversy with regard to the FDA and also the sketchy webpage for MMS which seems like a scam, but this person has stated that he has been taking it for 3 years and it has remediated his symptoms, but has not cured him. Any input would be great.

I hope you all are trying to stay positive. Fuck, I work in mental health and I literally just want to not go see my clients anymore since I just want to focus on myself. It's been next to impossible to provide counseling when I am struggling to counsel myself everyday, but to no avail since it's my brain chemistry. Anyways, trying to keep positive and trying to find new options to treat myself. I'm willing to try anything at this point!!

Cheers.

Though after all theese yrs I am sure you tried this...but have you tried a gluten free diet or a anti candida diet? I say that as you mentioned esspecially after Wheat! It might be worth a shot if you haven't. Are you saying the HA makes you extra thirsty?? As for MMS I know it has helped Nathan, however, I can't really comment too much on it. I do know that his urologist recommended it to him and I believe it might of helped thoose with abundance of bacteria as Accutane can do!

I have to say I am a female version of Nathan minus that I don't suffer from depression or sexual dysfunction.

Personally though I would try the gluten free diet many are gluten sensitive or have developed celiac after accutane.

Good Luck and Hang in there!

of those same substances (saw palmetto) that an uninformed person here is recommending you take

Robert, you are being helped by fellow accutane sufferers.

You said accutane caused you to experience severe ED and severe depression and were considering using substances to reverse your hair loss.

A few of us accutane victims have spoken directly with many guys who are suffering from severe ED and severe depression after using one of those same substances (saw palmetto) that an uninformed person here is recommending you take.

We feel it is an obligation to warn others not to make the same mistake those guys did. Don't you wish someone would have warned you not to take accutane?

You want help? Then use a topical formula to reverse the hair loss. Don't take any damn anti-androgenic pills or anti-androgenic natural supplements.

If you still feel this is nonsense, then go ahead and grab a bottle of saw palmetto. You obviously didn't learn your lesson from accutane.

If your sides happen to get worse from SP just remember, I PMed you not to use anything like that and you were clearly warned by camaroZ28.
It's not worth it.

Lets get one thing straight I NEVER recommended some take Saw Palmetto , I only stated my experience with the herb , now for what someone wants to take

or doesn't that's up to them like I said I have had NO adverse effects from this herb only POSITIVE ones . My dad has been taking saw palmetto for years

also with no BAD side effects , he takes it for his enlarged prostate and to increase urine flow ,this herb has many benefits , native americans have been using it for centuries , herbal medicine has been around for thousands of years unlike prescription drugs which have been around for around 100 years

or less and most unfortunately are TOXIC SYNTHETIC compounds ie. isotretionin.

Here is a little more info on saw palmetto , the berries of the saw palmetto pland are regarded by folk medicine as a SEXUAL STIMULANT , INCREASING MALE FERTILITY and breast size in women . Pharmacologically saw palmetto is classified as having immune stimulating and ani edema effects . However saw palmetto is most prized for it's ability to reduce enlarge prostate knows as benign prostatic hypertrophy or BHP and to alleviate the pain and inflammation associated with this condition.

According to research published in the British journal of urology , saw palmetto is a potent inhibitor of conversion of testosterone into dht , known to cause rapid multiplication of prostate cells which eventually leads to an lenolaredged prostate gland . In more technical terms , saw palmetto inhibits the enzyme testosterone 5 alpha reductase from transforming healthy testosterone hormones into unhealthy dht , saw palmetto also prevents dht from attaching to prostate cellular receptor sites and so promotes dht breakdown and excretion .

Saw palmetto also acts as an antiseptic and astringent , shrinking inflamed urinary system tissues and stimulating urine flow to expel irritants and toxins. Saw palmetto is considered by many to be the herb of choice for treating cystiis , IMPOTENCE , prostatitis , REDUCED OR ABSENT SEX DRIVE , REVERSING MALE PATTERN BALDING , testicular astrophy and urinary tract infections . Perhaps less well known is th use of saw palmetto for hirsutism excessive body hair in a masculine distribution and virilism development of secondary male sexual characteristics , also knows as pseudohermaphroditism in women.

In 1984 a double blind study was conducted on the ability of saw palmetto berries to fight the hormone imbalance which causes prostate growth . The results printed in the British journal of clinical pharmacology showed saw palmetto had a very significant effect on urine flow of men with benign prostatic hypertrophy BHP symptoms. Further , the results showed saw palmetto proved more effective than the DRUG Proscar which is commonly prescribed for prostate problems.

Due to the presence of steroidal saponins , saw palmetto is considered an anabolic agent , strengthening the building up body tissues and encouraging weight gain . Thus , saw palmetto has gained popularity with body builders and others desiring muscle size and strength , as well as those suffering from general debility , wasting diseases , or failure to thrive.

So you see Saw Palmetto has MANY BENEFITS and that's why I use it. (=

You were implying to Robert that it is completely safe. You certainly wouldn't have mentioned saw palmetto if robert didn't say he was worried about losing hair.

I don't hold it against you being a fan of SP. It obviously worked for you and there is little talk of its harmful side effects, so how would you know it could be dangerous for certain individuals?

When a guy comes along and says he is experiencing sexual problems from a drug with anti-androgenic effects like accutane has, saw palmetto is a risky drug for him to take. You just proved how powerful of an anti-androgenic substance SP is in your last post.

Some of us have very terrible adverse reactions to anything that significantly lowers DHT, and are left permanently ruined by it.

Accutane is suspected to have such an effect in different tissue types than SP or proscar does, and that has been blamed for some of its side-effects.

Also, the "natural is safe" philosophy is hogwash. Just a small example: http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/features/risky-herbal-supplements

Saying SP is a safe alternative to proscar/finasteride is the same as saying high-dose vitamin A is a safe alternative to accutane.

It's all about the method of action.

When a guy comes along and says he is experiencing sexual problems from a drug with anti-androgenic effects like accutane has, saw palmetto is a risky drug for him to take. You just proved how powerful of an anti-androgenic substance SP is in your last post.

If it were only that simple. This guy has clearly stated that he has brain fog, fatigue as well as the sexual problems (cursory background check; I'm sure there is more). He then has the gumption to argue that the saw palmetto is harmless, and in no way a mitigating factor with his preexisting ailments. There was another kid (not that this guy is a kid) a few posts back who said it was pointless to have your acne clear if you are going to suffer from hairloss. Full circle.

Okay Enough Is Enough! 1. I don't think Roberto has any intention of taking SP! In Fact if you read all 6 of his posts he asked Indigo and others regarding liver detox AFTER Gladiatoro post. In which Gladiatoro nor I told Roberto he should take SP!

I believe Roberto is a big boy and heaven forbid if anyone takes something or does some rational diet with out researching and knowing what is going on with themselves as everyone dna/genes are diffrent.

2. Camaroz28 was not exactly nice to Gladiatoro either when he asked why as it working for him, He was rude in his first post to me and he brought Indigo into for no reason. I came into the pic as he was rude to Gladiatoro!

3. Now Dubya_a I understand you have good friends on the propecia site as I have seen your posts on the ragfourm, and if Camaroz is a propecia victim great however, he doesn't need to come to accutane board and be rude, as I believe accutane suffers were banned from posting on the propecia site or asked not to.

If this does not end after my post then I will have theese posts moved to the debate thread, it's been along time since that has been used. It's bad enough to be flamed and rude to by pro accutaners, but even sadder from a accutane suffer or someone who doesn't even suffer from accutane.

On 2/1/2013 at 12:23 PM, sdro123 said:

On 1/31/2013 at 4:27 PM, IndigoRush said:

On 1/31/2013 at 2:50 AM, sdro123 said:

Hello all,

I am so sorry to hear of everyone's health problems. I really hope we can work together to find a cure, and at the least some symptomatic relief. I took accutane when i was 16 y/o and I am now 24. I live in the US. I have increasingly been watching my hair fall out, have an insanely itchy scalp (especially after wheat products), extreme constipation and bloating, joint pain, spine pain, bone pain, dry eyes, dry skin, you name it. I have noticed a dramatic effect in eye lubricatio nand joint lubrication since taking Hyaluronic acid on a daily basis. It makes me extra thirsty, but I find that taking whole cloves of garlic helps my body absorb the water more and I end up drinking a closer to normal amount of water per day versus like 7 gallons (exaggeration). Has anyone tried MMS or fulvic acid? I tried fulvic a while back and saw some results with regard to joint pain relief, but it did nothing for my digestion, plus there are some extreme risk with taking it when mixed with flourinated or chlorinated water, such as making carcinognic properties. I spoke with a gentleman whom I am sure some of you may have contacted call who has mentioned his success with MMS with regard to oxygenating the body, and killing off the bad bacteria in the mucosal lining. Has anyone tried this product? There is so much controversy with regard to the FDA and also the sketchy webpage for MMS which seems like a scam, but this person has stated that he has been taking it for 3 years and it has remediated his symptoms, but has not cured him. Any input would be great.

I hope you all are trying to stay positive. Fuck, I work in mental health and I literally just want to not go see my clients anymore since I just want to focus on myself. It's been next to impossible to provide counseling when I am struggling to counsel myself everyday, but to no avail since it's my brain chemistry. Anyways, trying to keep positive and trying to find new options to treat myself. I'm willing to try anything at this point!!

Cheers.

Hey man.

Welcome to the forum.

Ironic that you are a counselor [Edited image out]

The amount of times I told myself I'm depressed because of brain chemistry...

Clearly Accutane can and does cause depression.

Some speak of changes in the hippo-campus and brain inflammation. Or serotonin.

We're not doctors so we can't possibly conclude what's try, BUT mindfulness meditation is proven to change the brain physically for the better.

I'm sure it's not the only thing, but it's just good to point out that the brain is elastic.

What you think and your attitude are very important, even when things are pretty grim.

You can make yourself more depressed for sure.

Personally I think MMS is a bunch of shit.

I know you're referring to Nathan Carr - The same guy who claims this drug changes DNA.

I don't buy it personally. It sounds plausible because it's sciency, but Accutane isn't the only drug to leave long-term side effects and there's not people dying an early death from this drug (though you could argue it's not been around long enough).

I seriously doubt it would work, but why would he lie, right? I don't know.

I've spoken to the guy in the past and there's no way he's not an Accutane sufferer.

Mixed thoughts.

Hey there,

On 1/31/2013 at 4:27 PM, IndigoRush said:

>I thought I would clarify that I am indeed a female haha but thank you for the words of wisdom. I'm trying to stay positive. Started taking some D3 and I have noticed a difference already. I think my symptoms get worse in the winter due to lack of sunlight. Try to get out there as much as I can. I suggest you all do the same but in moderation and with sunscreen of some kind. I liked how you alluded to neuroplasticity, as that is very true. The brain is pretty amazing, and I am hoping that my brain will continue to adapt and change for the positive if I continue to think positive thoughts. I actually received the MMS in the mail today. My boyfriend has a background in biochemistry and he says it makes sense that it would work to do what it says it does, but I am going to be veryyyy careful when taking it. (He is actually making me a powerpoint to explain the mechanism of action haha cute guy). Anyways, I will let you know how the MMS goes. So far, my regimen of yoga each day, Hyaluronic acid, biotin, zinc, D3, milk thistle, garlic, B vitamins, and fresh fruits and vegetables has been paying off. BTW, invest in probiotics. That is the only thing that keeps me regular...that and the fiber and garlic (okay so three things!). I figure, hell, I'm already gassy as is, what's a little fiber gonna do to hurt me. Also, going to start my epsom salt baths back up. I work 60 hour work weeks, i'm on call 5 days of the week to provide mental health support to each of my four families on my case load....I NEED to take care of myself. If anything, I've gotten extremely good at it, but sometimes I let myself slide. I need a new job that is less stressful. It's a shame because I love the pace of the job, and everything that I am learning but it is just too much.

On 1/31/2013 at 4:27 PM, IndigoRush said:

I hope you are all staying strong. We can beat this, or at least make our lives more livable.

On 1/31/2013 at 4:27 PM, IndigoRush said:

 

On 1/31/2013 at 4:27 PM, IndigoRush said:

 

Let Me Know How The MMS Goes, If I am correct I believe Nathan had mentioned that he doesn't take the full dose of what they recommend. I am glad thoose supplements are helping you! I know they don't help everyone, but they helped me too Good Luck

On 2/1/2013 at 7:32 AM, oli girl said:

On 1/31/2013 at 2:50 AM, sdro123 said:

Hello all,

I am so sorry to hear of everyone's health problems. I really hope we can work together to find a cure, and at the least some symptomatic relief. I took accutane when i was 16 y/o and I am now 24. I live in the US. I have increasingly been watching my hair fall out, have an insanely itchy scalp (especially after wheat products), extreme constipation and bloating, joint pain, spine pain, bone pain, dry eyes, dry skin, you name it. I have noticed a dramatic effect in eye lubricatio nand joint lubrication since taking Hyaluronic acid on a daily basis. It makes me extra thirsty, but I find that taking whole cloves of garlic helps my body absorb the water more and I end up drinking a closer to normal amount of water per day versus like 7 gallons (exaggeration). Has anyone tried MMS or fulvic acid? I tried fulvic a while back and saw some results with regard to joint pain relief, but it did nothing for my digestion, plus there are some extreme risk with taking it when mixed with flourinated or chlorinated water, such as making carcinognic properties. I spoke with a gentleman whom I am sure some of you may have contacted call who has mentioned his success with MMS with regard to oxygenating the body, and killing off the bad bacteria in the mucosal lining. Has anyone tried this product? There is so much controversy with regard to the FDA and also the sketchy webpage for MMS which seems like a scam, but this person has stated that he has been taking it for 3 years and it has remediated his symptoms, but has not cured him. Any input would be great.

I hope you all are trying to stay positive. Fuck, I work in mental health and I literally just want to not go see my clients anymore since I just want to focus on myself. It's been next to impossible to provide counseling when I am struggling to counsel myself everyday, but to no avail since it's my brain chemistry. Anyways, trying to keep positive and trying to find new options to treat myself. I'm willing to try anything at this point!!

Cheers.

Though after all theese yrs I am sure you tried this...but have you tried a gluten free diet or a anti candida diet? I say that as you mentioned esspecially after Wheat! It might be worth a shot if you haven't. Are you saying the HA makes you extra thirsty?? As for MMS I know it has helped Nathan, however, I can't really comment too much on it. I do know that his urologist recommended it to him and I believe it might of helped thoose with abundance of bacteria as Accutane can do!

I have to say I am a female version of Nathan minus that I don't suffer from depression or sexual dysfunction.

Personally though I would try the gluten free diet many are gluten sensitive or have developed celiac after accutane.

Good Luck and Hang in there!

Hi Oligirl,

I tried to gluten free thing for about 3 days and just couldn't do it lol. I think it did help me, but I'm afraid I cannot sacrifice certain foods. I try to limit my intake of gluten-based porducts but I really struggle to do so. I don't really think i have sexual dysfunction, but moreso just dryness down there, which inhibits libido for obvious reasons. Staying hydrated is key. Consider yourself very lucky for the no depression! that is a HUGE huge huge things to have your mental health. I told Indigo that I will be trying the MMS. I really think the FDA hates on it because they know it works. I can't say it for sure until i try it obviously, but I will let you know how it goes!! Thanks for your advice, and I hope you are doing well. I'm so glad I found this forum!!! Bright ppl with bright advice!

On 2/1/2013 at 12:28 PM, oli girl said:

On 2/1/2013 at 12:23 PM, sdro123 said:

On 1/31/2013 at 4:27 PM, IndigoRush said:

On 1/31/2013 at 2:50 AM, sdro123 said:

Hello all,

I am so sorry to hear of everyone's health problems. I really hope we can work together to find a cure, and at the least some symptomatic relief. I took accutane when i was 16 y/o and I am now 24. I live in the US. I have increasingly been watching my hair fall out, have an insanely itchy scalp (especially after wheat products), extreme constipation and bloating, joint pain, spine pain, bone pain, dry eyes, dry skin, you name it. I have noticed a dramatic effect in eye lubricatio nand joint lubrication since taking Hyaluronic acid on a daily basis. It makes me extra thirsty, but I find that taking whole cloves of garlic helps my body absorb the water more and I end up drinking a closer to normal amount of water per day versus like 7 gallons (exaggeration). Has anyone tried MMS or fulvic acid? I tried fulvic a while back and saw some results with regard to joint pain relief, but it did nothing for my digestion, plus there are some extreme risk with taking it when mixed with flourinated or chlorinated water, such as making carcinognic properties. I spoke with a gentleman whom I am sure some of you may have contacted call who has mentioned his success with MMS with regard to oxygenating the body, and killing off the bad bacteria in the mucosal lining. Has anyone tried this product? There is so much controversy with regard to the FDA and also the sketchy webpage for MMS which seems like a scam, but this person has stated that he has been taking it for 3 years and it has remediated his symptoms, but has not cured him. Any input would be great.

I hope you all are trying to stay positive. Fuck, I work in mental health and I literally just want to not go see my clients anymore since I just want to focus on myself. It's been next to impossible to provide counseling when I am struggling to counsel myself everyday, but to no avail since it's my brain chemistry. Anyways, trying to keep positive and trying to find new options to treat myself. I'm willing to try anything at this point!!

Cheers.

Hey man.

Welcome to the forum.

Ironic that you are a counselor [Edited image out]

The amount of times I told myself I'm depressed because of brain chemistry...

Clearly Accutane can and does cause depression.

Some speak of changes in the hippo-campus and brain inflammation. Or serotonin.

We're not doctors so we can't possibly conclude what's try, BUT mindfulness meditation is proven to change the brain physically for the better.

I'm sure it's not the only thing, but it's just good to point out that the brain is elastic.

What you think and your attitude are very important, even when things are pretty grim.

You can make yourself more depressed for sure.

Personally I think MMS is a bunch of shit.

I know you're referring to Nathan Carr - The same guy who claims this drug changes DNA.

I don't buy it personally. It sounds plausible because it's sciency, but Accutane isn't the only drug to leave long-term side effects and there's not people dying an early death from this drug (though you could argue it's not been around long enough).

I seriously doubt it would work, but why would he lie, right? I don't know.

I've spoken to the guy in the past and there's no way he's not an Accutane sufferer.

Mixed thoughts.

Hey there,

On 1/31/2013 at 4:27 PM, IndigoRush said:

>>I thought I would clarify that I am indeed a female haha but thank you for the words of wisdom. I'm trying to stay positive. Started taking some D3 and I have noticed a difference already. I think my symptoms get worse in the winter due to lack of sunlight. Try to get out there as much as I can. I suggest you all do the same but in moderation and with sunscreen of some kind. I liked how you alluded to neuroplasticity, as that is very true. The brain is pretty amazing, and I am hoping that my brain will continue to adapt and change for the positive if I continue to think positive thoughts. I actually received the MMS in the mail today. My boyfriend has a background in biochemistry and he says it makes sense that it would work to do what it says it does, but I am going to be veryyyy careful when taking it. (He is actually making me a powerpoint to explain the mechanism of action haha cute guy). Anyways, I will let you know how the MMS goes. So far, my regimen of yoga each day, Hyaluronic acid, biotin, zinc, D3, milk thistle, garlic, B vitamins, and fresh fruits and vegetables has been paying off. BTW, invest in probiotics. That is the only thing that keeps me regular...that and the fiber and garlic (okay so three things!). I figure, hell, I'm already gassy as is, what's a little fiber gonna do to hurt me. Also, going to start my epsom salt baths back up. I work 60 hour work weeks, i'm on call 5 days of the week to provide mental health support to each of my four families on my case load....I NEED to take care of myself. If anything, I've gotten extremely good at it, but sometimes I let myself slide. I need a new job that is less stressful. It's a shame because I love the pace of the job, and everything that I am learning but it is just too much.

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On 1/31/2013 at 4:27 PM, IndigoRush said:

>I hope you are all staying strong. We can beat this, or at least make our lives more livable.

On 1/31/2013 at 4:27 PM, IndigoRush said:

 

On 1/31/2013 at 4:27 PM, IndigoRush said:

 

Let Me Know How The MMS Goes, If I am correct I believe Nathan had mentioned that he doesn't take the full dose of what they recommend. I am glad thoose supplements are helping you! I know they don't help everyone, but they helped me too [Edited image out] Good Luck

Will do!!! Keep me updated.

 

When a guy comes along and says he is experiencing sexual problems from a drug with anti-androgenic effects like accutane has, saw palmetto is a risky drug for him to take. You just proved how powerful of an anti-androgenic substance SP is in your last post.

If it were only that simple. This guy has clearly stated that he has brain fog, fatigue as well as the sexual problems (cursory background check; I'm sure there is more). He then has the gumption to argue that the saw palmetto is harmless, and in no way a mitigating factor with his preexisting ailments. There was another kid (not that this guy is a kid) a few posts back who said it was pointless to have your acne clear if you are going to suffer from hairloss. Full circle.

I never stated I had sexual problems it was you who instead said that saw palmetto can CAUSE sexual problems in fact I have absolutely 0 sexual problems , and never had ANY sexual problems , fatigue sometimes yes , brain fog a little but these problems have drastically improved AFTER taking saw palmetto and a few other supplements like liquid D3 , and the only reason I am taking saw palmetto is for hair loss which was CAUSED by isotretinoin ( a known side effect , one of many for this drug ), why do you think this thread is called REPAIRING THE LONG TERM DAMAGE OF ACCUTANE ??? get a reality grip , people like you shouldn't even be on this forum you have nothing positive to contribute so get lost.

I never stated I had sexual problems it was you who instead said that saw palmetto can CAUSE sexual problems in fact I have absolutely 0 sexual problems , and never had ANY sexual problems , fatigue sometimes yes , brain fog a little but these problems have drastically improved AFTER taking saw palmetto and a few other supplements like liquid D3 , and the only reason I am taking saw palmetto is for hair loss which was CAUSED by isotretinoin ( a known side effect , one of many for this drug ), why do you think this thread is called REPAIRING THE LONG TERM DAMAGE OF ACCUTANE ??? get a reality grip , people like you shouldn't even be on this forum you have nothing positive to contribute so get lost.

This is my last post; you can only reason with reasonable people I'm afraid. I may be wrong on the count of sexual side effects, but I doubt I am as they are the most common. You also deleted a thread you created which was entitled: My Accutane side effects. Do you have something to hide? What is so embarrassing about side effects induced by a pharmaceutical, if they are not of a sexual nature? I guess it doesnt help that you put your picture up and you are no longer anonymous. Given your level of fear, I don't trust anything you say.

OliGirl: If I was indeed rude for calling someone weak for openly discussing anti-androgen usage in a thread such as this, please consider that you would no doubt be on your own in making that determination about my behavior. No one at Propeciahelp would tolerate the continued usage of anti-androgens given the current predicament of so many. The fact that you defended a middle aged man who wants to keep his hair so badly that he would risk further damage speak volumes about you. Not only do you profess to side on the side of right, but a righteous right at that. You want a pity party on your own terms.

First of all, i want to appologize if i said something wrong. I never said i'm ignored here, but......... hmmm.......although Propecia or other meds have many common side effects with Accutane, we should realise its not the same drug. I know some people who took Propecia and got E.D., but within some months/few years, their sexual function got on the right track. On the other side, i never heard of people who got E.D. from Accutane, to reverse the damage. But maybe i'm wrong...

Someone suggested me here to try TOPICAL SOLUTIONS, to reverse the hair loss? Minoxidil doesnt seem to work. What's the other option?

Thanks guys, really appreciate your efforts.

First of all, i want to appologize if i said something wrong. I never said i'm ignored here, but......... hmmm.......although Propecia or other meds have many common side effects with Accutane, we should realise its not the same drug. I know some people who took Propecia and got E.D., but within some months/few years, their sexual function got on the right track. On the other side, i never heard of people who got E.D. from Accutane, to reverse the damage. But maybe i'm wrong...

Someone suggested me here to try TOPICAL SOLUTIONS, to reverse the hair loss? Minoxidil doesnt seem to work. What's the other option?

Thanks guys, really appreciate your efforts.

Practically if Accutane induces Telogen Effluvium, there is nothing much that can be done except to wait for the effects to wear off.

 

First of all, i want to appologize if i said something wrong. I never said i'm ignored here, but......... hmmm.......although Propecia or other meds have many common side effects with Accutane, we should realise its not the same drug. I know some people who took Propecia and got E.D., but within some months/few years, their sexual function got on the right track. On the other side, i never heard of people who got E.D. from Accutane, to reverse the damage. But maybe i'm wrong...

Someone suggested me here to try TOPICAL SOLUTIONS, to reverse the hair loss? Minoxidil doesnt seem to work. What's the other option?

Thanks guys, really appreciate your efforts.

Practically if Accutane induces Telogen Effluvium, there is nothing much that can be done except to wait for the effects to wear off.

Not what you want anybody wants to hear, but it's the truth!