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Lll3, I have a medicomat quantum biofeedback machine purchased from Amazon, and although it hasn't yet healed me, it has provided some clues as to what's going on. For example, chronic UTI and prostate issues has been a major issue for me, as well as gut issues. I loaded up on some organic yogurt yesterday, performed a scan of those areas last night, and the positive changes were dramatic.
Some of the top foods it recomends are laminaria, apricot, pumpkin, black currant, and banana. The foods list is longer than that, but those are toward the top. Sometimes beef liver will creep up into the top two food recommendations.
The machine also detects radiation quite often, particularly in the gut and pelvis. I believe accutane is a radioactive substance, which is why it's so hard to get rid of it. Brown seaweeds such as laminaria are rich in alginic acid, which binds to radioactive material to remove it from the body. I believe the machine detects the presence of accutane, and tries to counteract the high retinoic acid with carotenoid rich foods such as apricots and pumpkin. It recomends laminaria due to laminarias ability to detox radiation.
For a long time I tried the beef liver and laminaria and neglected the yogurt, which was a mistake. Yogurt I believe is crucial to boost the microbiome and prevent beta glucuronidase.
19 hours ago, Aaron76 said:Lll3, I have a medicomat quantum biofeedback machine purchased from Amazon, and although it hasn't yet healed me, it has provided some clues as to what's going on. For example, chronic UTI and prostate issues has been a major issue for me, as well as gut issues. I loaded up on some organic yogurt yesterday, performed a scan of those areas last night, and the positive changes were dramatic.
Some of the top foods it recomends are laminaria, apricot, pumpkin, black currant, and banana. The foods list is longer than that, but those are toward the top. Sometimes beef liver will creep up into the top two food recommendations.
The machine also detects radiation quite often, particularly in the gut and pelvis. I believe accutane is a radioactive substance, which is why it's so hard to get rid of it. Brown seaweeds such as laminaria are rich in alginic acid, which binds to radioactive material to remove it from the body. I believe the machine detects the presence of accutane, and tries to counteract the high retinoic acid with carotenoid rich foods such as apricots and pumpkin. It recomends laminaria due to laminarias ability to detox radiation.
For a long time I tried the beef liver and laminaria and neglected the yogurt, which was a mistake. Yogurt I believe is crucial to boost the microbiome and prevent beta glucuronidase.
Interesting. But have you tried aprolong water fast?
4 hours ago, LLL3 said:Interesting. But have you tried aprolong water fast?
most of us have done 48 hr plus water fasts.
Did them many times, the have a good effect in how you feel but can you be more specific in what it actually fixed for you??
My proline issue that Im currently dealing with wont be fixed by just fasting for example but if you know you fixed an issue, pls let us know what the fast fixed?
Also, the fast never fixed my gut/reflux issues. Im hoping if I fix proline issue it will help stomach lining and so that might end reflux problem in the future
Pls let us know what you fixed
I've done fasting multiple times in my life. Fasting for prolonged periods completely wipes out my hormones. I do however believe in the 16 hour daily fast. I think that can be very helpful for most people.
Right now I'm doing kyolic aged garlic before work with carrot juice, and probiotics after work with carrot juice. I've cut out milk and yogurt but still have cheese from time to time. Accutane is acidic. Milk and yogurt are acidic, but carrot juice is alkaline. Will keep the board posted.
Iron and arginine. Pretty much the only things I'm supplementing with currently. Truejustice was absolutely right that impaired circulation is a central issue for accutane people. Iron and arginine are maybe the two best supplements to improve circulation. Iron feeds cytochrome p450, which is a major detoxification enzyme. And arginine opens up the sebaceous glands, which is the exact opposite of what accutane does. Will keep the board posted.
5 hours ago, Aaron76 said:Iron and arginine. Pretty much the only things I'm supplementing with currently. Truejustice was absolutely right that impaired circulation is a central issue for accutane people. Iron and arginine are maybe the two best supplements to improve circulation. Iron feeds cytochrome p450, which is a major detoxification enzyme. And arginine opens up the sebaceous glands, which is the exact opposite of what accutane does. Will keep the board posted.
I've been taking arginine for some time now, but no improvements to skin dryness yet. My dosage has been low and I started to increase it. What's your dosage?
Hello to all. Many of you guys wasting a lot of time on useless theories. I won't apologize for dramatic entrance for now, im fed up with PAS ''community''
Someone had to say all of these.
We have found the possible cure for PAS.
I was being a lab rat for all of you, while you guys were staying in your safe corners, scared, timid, passive, playing with diet and vitamins and amino acids, hoping they will cure your epigenetic and indirect DNA damage, waiting for others to take the lead.
I was trying countless drugs on myself to eliminate the androgenic protocols for PAS over the last 3 years. It could have took me just a year if some of you guys had some balls to experiment with me together. Luckily, im damage free from all of it. And we are close to finding a possible cure.
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We have a RECOVERED PAS guy in our group. (Ronnie)
Contact with me. Please leave this useless speculations about supplements and healthy diet. They won't cure your pharma grade epigenetic damage. Stop reading this thread we already know the possible cause of PAS and methods to reverse it.
- Cooper
On 10/17/2021 at 4:28 PM, Pido said:I've been taking arginine for some time now, but no improvements to skin dryness yet. My dosage has been low and I started to increase it. What's your dosage?
Stop listening these timidpeople brother.
Supplements won't cure anyone. Itried it all.
We know 3 possible ways to fix PAS once and for all join our group above^.
On 10/10/2021 at 3:09 AM, Aaron76 said:I think guitarman is right about the importance of the microbiome in all of this. A strong healthy microbiome reduces beta glucuronidase, which prevents reabsorption of toxic chemicals such as accutane. A weak microbiome allows beta glucuronidase to flourish, allowing reabsorption of toxic chemicals.
I'm with naturecrazy YouTube video guy, who says the drug is still in us. Below is my current program. I believe the 3 keys are retinol rich beef liver, probiotic rich goodbelly juice and low-fat organic yogurt smoothies, and alginate rich seagate seaweed capsules. Will keep the board posted.
Daily supplements
Beef liver
Seagate seaweedDiet
Non GMO
Omnivore
Organic when possibleStaple beverages
Good belly juice
Organic low-fat yogurt smoothieAvoid
Soy
Gmo
Pork
Alcohol
Caffeine
Tobacco
Cannabis
Artificial sweeteners
Artificial preservatives
Same sh*t for 20 years.
You are still here. Stop it sir. A healthy mind would already grasp that this is not the cure, waste of time.
On 10/11/2021 at 3:14 AM, TrueJustice said:most of us have done 48 hr plus water fasts.
Did them many times, the have a good effect in how you feel but can you be more specific in what it actually fixed for you??
My proline issue that Im currently dealing with wont be fixed by just fasting for example but if you know you fixed an issue, pls let us know what the fast fixed?
Also, the fast never fixed my gut/reflux issues. Im hoping if I fix proline issue it will help stomach lining and so that might end reflux problem in the future
Pls let us know what you fixed
Get tested for SIBO and make a gut microbiota analysis please.
23 hours ago, SaffronAide said:Hello to all. Many of you guys wasting a lot of time on useless theories. I won't apologize for dramatic entrance for now, im fed up with PAS ''community''
Someone had to say all of these.
We have found the possible cure for PAS.
I was being a lab rat for all of you, while you guys were staying in your safe corners, scared, timid, passive, playing with diet and vitamins and amino acids, hoping they will cure your epigenetic and indirect DNA damage, waiting for others to take the lead.
I was trying countless drugs on myself to eliminate the androgenic protocols for PAS over the last 3 years. It could have took me just a year if some of you guys had some balls to experiment with me together. Luckily, im damage free from all of it. And we are close to finding a possible cure.
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We have a RECOVERED PAS guy in our group. (Ronnie)
Contact with me. Please leave this useless speculations about supplements and healthy diet. They won't cure your pharma grade epigenetic damage. Stop reading this thread we already know the possible cause of PAS and methods to reverse it.
- Cooper
Stop listening these timidpeople brother.
Supplements won't cure anyone. Itried it all.
We know 3 possible ways to fix PAS once and for all join our group above^.
Same sh*t for 20 years.
You are still here. Stop it sir. A healthy mind would already grasp that this is not the cure, waste of time.
Get tested for SIBO and make a gut microbiota analysis please.
peoplemight feel just as pissed that a new site needed to be created, how many people came here over the years all guns blazing and then just fucked off - they are the ones who you should be pissed at, they didnt go the distance, couldnt handle a littledebate here and there.
There were also those who came here saying if you dont report side effects your just as guilty as the pharma companies which was anabsolute bullshit thing to sayfor those living in misery. Yeah did all the reporting, did that Accutane survey last year, wheres the big response from all that??
mind boggling to say the least
What was wrong with just posting results here? Good, bad, what works, what doesnt work - what was the need to go somewhere else to post I ask??
No matter where you go, youll run into people who disagree with theories whilstsome will agree with you, that never concerned me because ifthe intention is good to try and find a cure and tohelp people,thats all that matters in the end
which whatsapp do we need to downloadTheres a few to choose from?
Before I go and waste more time and money with kinesiologist and more tests,isnt SIBO cured with supplements?
If you are cured, good on you for getting there in the end!!
Hello, It is important to open your heart to this medication causing sexual mental illness. Realizing it for what it is important. Donald Trump was essentially sexually mentally ill in the same way as some one who took this medication. Having self insight is the first step before doing anything about it. Personally I am taking a testosterone supplement every night as well as doing an hcg injection twice a day. It is almost entirely hormonal. I am a warrior class Muslim and see the truth behind it. In a month I will be will able to tell you everything there is to know about treating it hormonally. Do not watch pornography for any reason. It isn't affecting survival but it might take about 7 days of contemplation not working at all to know what life would really mean because of it. We have about 50% of the testosterone that is normal for our age depending on the dose. This substance needs to be banned. In fact, almost every medication that is on the drug market is essentially an intoxicant. I would recommend seeing the irrelevance of you finances and even class about it. You have to understand that life won't be normal for any reason unless you do pretty much everything in your power to change it. The affordable care act popularized blasphemous medical practices. Most critically, leydig cells have been destroyed. If you try to replace these cells, it is essentially blasphemous through surgery. Intense water fasting might have some effect, most likely negligible. Keep your cell phone off in your pocket to protect from radiation.
What are the most effective testosterone supplements that you have found?
Do not take any mind altering substances.
Try to be present and feel your heart at all times.
Be selfless, humble and compassionate.
Practice religion and spirituality.
It sounds as though saffron is still suffering the mental effects of accutane. If he had the cure he would freely share it here.
Trumps policies were fundamentally sound but he made the mistake of trusting propecia, and it damaged his personality. It's unfortunate, because it left us with retarded joe, who destroys his brain with statins. Pretty sad when one of the most powerful countries in the world is being destroyed by pharmaceutically brain damaged people.
Im still with YouTube naturecrazy guy who said the drug is trapped in the body. Currently doing iron rich beef spleen to promote cytochrome p450, broccoli sprouts for nrf2, alginate rich brown seaweed to pull radioactive retinoic acid from the body, and carrot juice to replenish true vitamin A. Will post results later.
Forgot to mention, epigenetic means on top of base DNA. Accutane does not change base DNA. I believe epigenetic changes are eliminated once the toxic foreign substance is removed from the rxr and rar receptors located inside the cell nucleus. Cytochrome p450 is located in the endoplasmic reticulum and the mitochondria, which helps to detoxify the cell nucleus.
I am thinking that the most realistic way that you can actually get some of these stem cells to replicate would be to drop down to about 120pounds for someone that is about 6 feet tall for about 3 years. This might cause a 25-50%improvement in testosterone. Also take 3 testosterone supplements a day, inject a microdose of HCG twice per day. Refrain from watching pornography, do abs and legs every day, practice submission to god or allah,do not take finasteride for any reason. The problem here is leydig cells, the supplements you are trying seem to have a neglibible affects. Yeah, our politicians are not acceptable right now. Microdosing androderm might also help. The drug isn't trapped in the body, it just kills a bunch of stem cells that can't be replaced, as far as a know these are leydig cells, there might be other types of stem cells that it kills too that are not related to Leydig stem cells. After taking this medication, you are really a man in the way that our society expects a man to be.
I ask this with all sincerity and its very important were clear on this.
Other than believing just what someone else has said, where is the report that Accutane definitely kills leydig cells???
please, legitimate question here
FYI - Im now about 8 days without having to take Pariet for reflux. This could only be due to either taking Proline, Vit B1 or Manjistha supreme supplement. I know most dont give a shit about supplements but thought Id mention it anyway
DA may have a point re stem cells. I'm open to either way. I've tried beef bone marrow (rich in stem cells) in the past and the effect on day one was incredibly good mentally. But eventually it seems to do more harm than good and i have to stop.
Accutane feminizes men, which definitely is not desirable. Women want/need/expect masculinity, not pharmaceutically induced feminization. Drugs like accutane are the reason why most modern humans are miserable. Accutane is just one of many pharmaceutical poisons being unleashed to destroy modern society.
Tj I care about supplements. Some have said that vitamin b1 is needed to detox accutane. Whenever I've tried b1 it stimulates a massive dopamine loss and I have to stop. The only b vitamin I've ever had any luck with was methyl folate, 400 mcg. Minimal benefits though.
A multivitamin and three testosterone pills is what everyone should be doing regardless. Life is never the same in a way that doesn't really make sense. Personally, I get cheated on and I can't really do anything about it to be honest. What youare probably going to have to realize is that it was initially due to the bigotry of women that you were pretty much forced to take this medication. If you have a child. They should probably be given a 300% dose of vitamin A starting at the age of about 5 years old to prevent acne from occurring. Also, the protocol for acne needs to be refined.
1. 300% vitamin A supplementation as soon as it appears in a young teenager.
2. Retinol
3. Foundation???
4. As a last resort, 10% of the dosage that is being used should be given to teenagers in terms of 13-cis-retinoic acid(Isotretinoin).
I really think trying to learn Islamic spirituality is essential for not being on the level of smeagol from the lord of the rings. If you don't become present and fully feel your heart, mind based consciousness leads to being in a lot of pain and depression. The Eugenic effect of this medication is pretty harsh and it is difficulty to happy for any reason because of it. Things like Meth, Ketamine, chemotherapy, Ecstasy, and Acid have potentially a similar eugenic effect as a medication like Isotretinoin. I tried Ecstasy once and realized that I couldn't do something like it again as a result of taking isotretinoin. If you are young, it requires remaining present and you will still likely get blown around by the wind to have a reasonable chance of having children if you have taken this medication. If you have taken a medication like this, you are going to have realize that you can't make a mistake like this again for any reason, you sexuality will not mean the same thing and that reproduction is basically reduced to what you might have once considered logistics. It's likely that you will lose things like pre-selection which makes life suck in ways that are difficult to reason about rationally. Maintaining pre-selection generally requires high libido and you might get treated like an untouchable by women in the hindu caste system. Life is better with acne, there isn't really a question here, we have been violated by doctors and drug companies, and they don't give one flying fuck about it. They will lie to you to keep you down on the subject and deny it outwardly, why? Because they don't want to take responsibility. What might piss you guys off is about 80% of medications prescribed have a negative eugenic effect on a human being in America. Antibiotics are overperscribed, children are put on amphetamines, people take anti-anxiety and antidepresants blindly. Many times people are given medications that causes compromises to a human being that have a pathologicaleugenic effect on the family even if the person continues to live.Medicine is being used in ways in America to cover up laziness about our own health, it's hiding biological flaws particularly in Europeans that are causing things like a drop in fertility, generational oppression, and general insanity. What I have come to realize about America is that 99% of the people here are actually polytheists or pagans. Monotheism doesn't really translate to most Americans. Social conditioning is sort of homosexual here in america. Homosexuality improves survival odds but is blasphemous and there is a lot of it here in America. There are forms of blasphemy in America right now that are creating extreme forms of scarcity particularly when it comes to reproduction. It isn't talked about a whole lot but lesbianic behavior from women can make it so a man doesn't really have a choice but to take isotretinoin only to realize their libido is gone for life. What males do wrong is watch pornography. What I came to realize at the age of 28 is that the reasons for this were actually religious. Christianity is inferior to Islam. Buddhism allow to preserve tellomere length but that is as far it goes, a buddhist will just tolerate something like this without getting angry but be a loser in the end. It requires monotheism and the strict practice of religion often until the age of 25 years old to not take this medication due to superficial standards of polytheists and pagans.
I dont blame women on my taking accutane. I blame my ignorant parents and my corrupt dermatologist for not knowing any better. And I blame the corrupt FDA for allowing it to be sold.
I'd never overdose any child on retinol. I'd ensure the child is getting adequate amounts of probiotic rich foods such as yogurt, plenty of omega 3 rich foods such as seafood. I believe acne starts in the gut from a bacterial imbalance.
I dont think anybody needs to convert from one religion to another. I'd say people from all religions can embrace the concept of karma and reincarnation to explain what has happened to them. I'd never advise anyone with significant health issues to have children. That's incredibly foolish.
This world needs birth control laws designed to reduce the population and ensure that only those who are healthy and can afford to raise children, have children. A lack of these types of laws is partly why our world is so miserable and degenerate.
Trump? Religion? Guys guys guys, let's stay focused. Please
Aaron you have a wealth of knowledge that you are sharing, thank you and please keep it coming
My 48 hour water fast made me feel much better for about two weeks, then everything went back to the way it was before with the extreme fatigue and extreme joint pain and brain fog.
I have been reading and watching a lot of LorenLockman Of the Tanglewood wellness center. I plan to try a 14 maybe a 21 day water fast starting January 1. I am desperate.
On 10/24/2021 at 11:51 AM, IndigoRushReturns said:Thought Id peek on this page to see what the latest talk is. I see youre still running in circles.
I dont blame you, as I still want to believe in hope too.But Accutane has fucked us all beyond repair and its silly to believe in a cure at this point.
I will never be what I would have been without isotretinoin, but I believe I can get relief.
Hello !
I found this topic and would like to share some of my experience and what worked best for me.
First of all, please excuse my english. I am from the EU.
I had 2 courses of Accutane about 10-12 years ago when I was 17 years old and 19 years old,
I experienced many side effects (dry skin, lips, hair loss, joint pain, anxiety) for about 10 years after the end of the prescription.
I didnt know these effects were Accutane related so far then I realized this.
I think most people here have identified the main cause of long term side effects. As previously discussed, it is all about the bile flow issue.
Since the drug is still in the body, the most important thing is to avoid eating high retinol foods (liver, cod liver oil, dairy products, cheese)
I was kind of desesperate and tried many thing to reduce the long term side effects. As of today, I am glad to say that 90% of the side effects I was experiencing are gone for months.
What worked best for me:
- Stop eating high retinol food ;
- Eat food that stimulate bile flow, or make your bile thin to move easily (radish, celery, beets, lemon water, leafy greens, bitters greens such as roquette)
I really insist on this, radishes and lemon water (red or black) are the food where I almost notice a very quick improvement.
- Drink lemon water (lemon juice + warm water but not too hot) on empty stomach every morning and do not eat anything else in 30min ;
- Organic grapes and grapes juice was really helping as well, consider drinking at least 50cl of grapes juice everyday at least in the beginning ;
- Cut all the sugar processed food as it seems to exacerbate the retinol effect still stored in your fat cells.
You should notice an improvement of your side effects in a few weeks, but I assume the drug might take several years to escape the body.
Hope this helps and you fellows will recover very soon from this very bad drug. Unfortunately most people are not enough informed by doctors before taking the drug.
Please do not hesitate to share your experience.
On 10/21/2021 at 12:02 PM, Pido said:@SaffronAideSo what's the cure? I removed WhatsApp this spring during the privacy backlash.
Bicalutamide. AR antagonists.
Jeez they removed my Whatsapp link, ok whatever.
Cure for PAS is to upregulate AR. I am not going to feed everyone with multiple studies, most of you guys already know what im talking about.
That's why Kevin Pezzi and 3 other people recovered taking Finasteride. Its on page 573 in this thread. https://www.pasforum.info/threads/treatment-pas-recovery-using-finasteride-possible-high-risk-option.3/
PAS is the downregulation of ARs and AR antagonists UPregulate AR gene expression. That's the whole trick. Bicalutamide (Non- Steroidal AR antagonist.) is much safer alternative than Fin, so don't take Fin and crash your neurosteroids and hormones.
Im trying to get this drug from Dr's needs prescription.
Im on TRT+ HCG+ HGHand tried Progesterone for 3.5 months. Only Progesterone gave me benefits sexually and mentally in this 7 years of journey but improvements didn't go further and stopped to work.
Prog is also an AR upregulator because it competes with ARs. Or i did have some Progesterone related issues to begin with, which some of us know Accutane affects Progesterone and therefore Allopreg. But i doubt that's the real cause.
PAS is the opposite of PFS. Our issue is AR downregulation. I am saying it, stop other protocols and vitamins and diets. AR antagonists arethe only thing that can fully fix your AR expression.