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Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

 
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(@thomas76)

Posted : 09/23/2021 1:19 pm

Synthetic isolates like arginine and uroxatral might be ok for short term use, but they're simply no good for long term. Arginine seems to drain energy reserves over time.

Just switched to whole organic ginkgo combined with burdock root. Burdock is known for cleansing the skin, lymph, and liver. Burdock is also known to regulate the sebaceous glands. Also doing vitamin c gummies. Will see how it goes.

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(@jorgeantoniocalderon40)

Posted : 09/24/2021 4:43 am

well something else I wanted to add; At the time of seeing my homework, these were light brown, in fact I had never happened before the poison, only sometimes. Well, when I did a liver cleanse that left me with many dizziness and vomiting, they returned to be a normal color, I know it sounds disgusting but maybe there was a communication between the liver and the pills for this to happen.

 

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Posted : 09/24/2021 12:30 pm

George, the liver formula pills you took helped increase bile flow, resulting in darker stools. Burdock root has a similar effect, improving fat absorption and improving bile flow. My stools are darker after starting burdock.

But guess what happens if I take burdock root without brown seaweed? MASSIVE dopamine loss. Why? Because accutane has displaced true vitamin A in my brain, and too little vitamin A results in dopamine dysfunction. Brown seaweed helps preserve dopamine and absorb radioactive retinoic acid in the gut while burdock helps the lymphatic system to flush out accutane.

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(@lll3)

Posted : 09/24/2021 10:37 pm

Hey everyone, are used to post on here pretty often during and shortly after my Accutane course in 2010. Like all of you, I have been struggling with many problems since Accutane. I will list the big problems, what I've been trying to remedy them, and how it has been working out (or not working out)

- gut/digestion issues. This became an issue starting four years ago, and what I would call severe last year. However I am happy to report that I found a supplement that has been working wonders. It's called puraliyf by Puradyme. It's expensive, but it's the highest quality probiotics and enzymes there anyone in the world can get their hands on I believe. I also switched to eating 95% organic and a ton more fruits and vegetables in my diet and just eating less in general. It's a big change, but at this point I'm willing to do absolutely anything just to feel better. I'm far from cured but it's been about a month I've taking this probiotic enzyme supplement and eating 95% organic it definitely helped. I lost 15 pounds

 

- hairloss. Oh boy. This I would say has been the most difficult thing to cope with. I could see the hair loss changing the way I look on a monthly basis. I have no idea what to do about it.

 

- joint and muscle pain. I study to be a personal trainer two summers ago, one of the best things I ever did for myself. Discovered that I have overactive hip flexors and by stretching them intensely a few times a day it dramatically helped myrestless leg syndrome. Also strength and endurance training in the gym three days a week has got to be helping. Still I get very stiff very quickly even after a full body intensive stretch. I wake up every single morning with pain everywhere almost especially in my lower back

 

- fatigue. This is tied with hair loss in terms of the most difficult thing to deal with. I'm always so freaking tired it's unreal. Before Accutane I was always so filled with energy and so unbelievably focused. I know it was 10 years ago and people change naturally as they get older, but this is different I felt this the year after I finished my course.

- dry eyes. I had Lasik I surgery a few months ago, and now after being awake for about 14 hours my eyes get so unbelievably dry it's terrible

- for the past few months I've been randomly feeling a tight pressure on the left side of my chest where my heart is. This has me very worried and I plan to see a doctor about it very soon

 

question. Although I feel like I already know the answer. Have there been any successful lawsuits against Accutane pharmaceuticals? This is insane the amount of suffering that we are going through from this poison. My quality of life went from 10 down to a 2. I am a fighter, always will be, but this just flat out sucks

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Posted : 09/25/2021 6:56 am

8 hours ago, LLL3 said:

Hey everyone, are used to post on here pretty often during and shortly after my Accutane course in 2010. Like all of you, I have been struggling with many problems since Accutane. I will list the big problems, what I've been trying to remedy them, and how it has been working out (or not working out)

- gut/digestion issues. This became an issue starting four years ago, and what I would call severe last year. However I am happy to report that I found a supplement that has been working wonders. It's called puraliyf by Puradyme. It's expensive, but it's the highest quality probiotics and enzymes there anyone in the world can get their hands on I believe. I also switched to eating 95% organic and a ton more fruits and vegetables in my diet and just eating less in general. It's a big change, but at this point I'm willing to do absolutely anything just to feel better. I'm far from cured but it's been about a month I've taking this probiotic enzyme supplement and eating 95% organic it definitely helped. I lost 15 pounds

 

- hairloss. Oh boy. This I would say has been the most difficult thing to cope with. I could see the hair loss changing the way I look on a monthly basis. I have no idea what to do about it.

 

- joint and muscle pain. I study to be a personal trainer two summers ago, one of the best things I ever did for myself. Discovered that I have overactive hip flexors and by stretching them intensely a few times a day it dramatically helped myrestless leg syndrome. Also strength and endurance training in the gym three days a week has got to be helping. Still I get very stiff very quickly even after a full body intensive stretch. I wake up every single morning with pain everywhere almost especially in my lower back

 

- fatigue. This is tied with hair loss in terms of the most difficult thing to deal with. I'm always so freaking tired it's unreal. Before Accutane I was always so filled with energy and so unbelievably focused. I know it was 10 years ago and people change naturally as they get older, but this is different I felt this the year after I finished my course.

- dry eyes. I had Lasik I surgery a few months ago, and now after being awake for about 14 hours my eyes get so unbelievably dry it's terrible

- for the past few months I've been randomly feeling a tight pressure on the left side of my chest where my heart is. This has me very worried and I plan to see a doctor about it very soon

 

question. Although I feel like I already know the answer. Have there been any successful lawsuits against Accutane pharmaceuticals? This is insane the amount of suffering that we are going through from this poison. My quality of life went from 10 down to a 2. I am a fighter, always will be, but this just flat out sucks

Jesus Christ... make me wonder why i continue to fight and wait for my body to recover...

Have not that level of disconfort in my daily life (except for fatigue and a bit of eye dryness).
But living with pelvic pain (geeting beeter since the beginning 8 years ago) and zero libido/anhedonia is the worst thing that could have happen to me..
Trying some probiotic since this morning, wish me good luck...

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Posted : 09/25/2021 6:57 pm

Lll3, there have been a number of successful lawsuits against Roche pharmaceuticals for accutane damage. I live in Michigan usa, and the statute of limitations in my area is two years. I believe different states and or countries have different statutes.

Calcified made an interesting comment a while back about the use of alcohol to help with recovery. Conventional thought is that we should avoid alcohol due to our damaged livers. When I scan my body, and I start doing microscanning, ie scanning smaller segments of the body, when I get to the mitochondria, it's almost all alcoholic beverages that are recommended. Hoegaarden wheat beer seems to be the most highly recommended beverage.

I also notice that my machine consistently indicates radiation presence, especially in my gut. I believe accutane is radioactive, which would give it an extremely long half life. The Russians used brown seaweed to help Chernobyl victims recover.

As of tonight I'm doing giant kelp capsules and hoegaarden beer daily. Will keep the board posted.

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Posted : 09/25/2021 9:00 pm

Can you please elaborate on why and how alcohol can you help? This blows my mind. And what is kelp?

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Posted : 09/25/2021 9:32 pm

Alcohol is classified as a solvent. My machine indicates atherosclerosis. Alcohol is good for anyone dealing with cardiovascular issues. I believe it dissolves arterial plaque. cardio issues seems quite common for all accutane people. My brain did feel a little better after two bottles of hoegaarden. Hoegaarden is also rich in probiotics. Two other alcoholic drinks that have come up often with my machine are red wine and baileys liquor.

I can name four brands of brown seaweed. Modifilan, biofilam, terravita Kombu, and Seagate seaweed. I believe they're all available on amazon. Theres probably more brands out there. The key is avoiding brands that have iodine added to it. There's a ton of companies who label their product as kelp, but add extra iodine to it, and show iodine amount on the back of the label. These brands are junk.

Is it possible my biofeedback machine is wrong about radiation? Sure. But it's been more helpful to me than any doctor ever has, mainstream or naturopathic. I need to stick with it.

Ps--My machine never recommended burdock root. Burdock is something I tried on my own, and i found it just doesn't help me. Ginkgo comes up on the supplement list quite often, but brown seaweed and the 3 alcoholic beverages always shows up much higher priority than ginkgo. Brown seaweed also eliminates the pain in my throat. My machine indicates chronic hypothyroidism.

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Posted : 09/25/2021 10:28 pm

Cauliflower is another food that comes in toward the top of the food list. Between the alcoholic beverages, brown seaweed, and cauliflower, I think the cauliflower and brown seaweed are the most important. Bought some riced cauliflower and blending it with organic milk and brown sugar. Will see how it goes.

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(@lll3)

Posted : 09/26/2021 9:34 am

What is this machine you have?

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(@calcified)

Posted : 09/26/2021 10:09 am

@Aaron76

@LLL3

I think I read a study regarding alcohol is that it increases retinoic acid if used on occasion.

BUT apon frequent consumption retinoic acid depletion occurs.

So I gather an occasional drink is OK,but frequent consumption would be a very bad idea.

 

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Posted : 09/26/2021 12:02 pm

1 hour ago, Calcified said:

@Aaron76

@LLL3

I think I read a study regarding alcohol is that it increases retinoic acid if used on occasion.

BUT apon frequent consumption retinoic acid depletion occurs.

So I gather an occasional drink is OK,but frequent consumption would be a very bad idea.

 

Maybe the reason i crashed in March... drank alcohol every day of a week and violently crash just after ...

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Posted : 09/26/2021 4:45 pm

 

From my last post, this is what that test looks like. Ive emailed them a few times now and have gotten pretty prompt responses.

Its a blood sample and can be shipped to them even from the US.

It looks at microbes or their activity from the small intestine which is unique as this is not from a stool sample or bacteria from the large intestine or colon.

Whats in red in this sample are considered true commensals.

The small intestine is probably whats more rapidly modifiable through diet, drugs, probiotics etc. 

I was surprised to see bifido have such a large presence here, and also p.acnes and p. freudenreichii having different metabolic signatures even though they are closely related. 

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(@jorgeantoniocalderon40)

Posted : 09/26/2021 8:10 pm

3 hours ago, guitarman01 said:

 

From my last post, this is what that test looks like. Ive emailed them a few times now and have gotten pretty prompt responses.

Its a blood sample and can be shipped to them even from the US.

It looks at microbes or their activity from the small intestine which is unique as this is not from a stool sample or bacteria from the large intestine or colon.

Whats in red in this sample are considered true commensals.

The small intestine is probably whats more rapidly modifiable through diet, drugs, probiotics etc. 

I was surprised to see bifido have such a large presence here, and also p.acnes and p. freudenreichii having different metabolic signatures even though they are closely related. 

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What madness, guitarman01, what are your intestinal problems? I have seen that you are very interested in the intestinal epileteal microbiota and this lets me know that this junk pill made this disorder in your intestines. It doesn't surprise me that the microbiota is involved in more problems than perhaps many of us think are unrelated. some problems persist from the last time or continue of the same intensity. I am not looking for answers to support me in my symptoms, on the contrary, I want to know the ability of this pill to destroy microbes and damage the intestinal epithelium in people who are susceptible to this damage. thank you.

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Posted : 09/26/2021 8:35 pm

Anyone got a good idea on how to replenish bacteria when dysbiosis isat play??

All the good bacteria must just pass thru system and cant take hold, or at least has minimal effect, butwho would know

Shame considering all the good probiotics on the market these days. Just tested Securil with kinesiologist, the body likesit, big problem though if it doesnt hold in stomach or intestine - tane just nuked everything unfortunately so it wont be surprising if it has only minor effect on things

Lets see if supplement 5987 works or not

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Posted : 09/26/2021 10:49 pm

2 hours ago, george20 said:

What madness, guitarman01, what are your intestinal problems? I have seen that you are very interested in the intestinal epileteal microbiota and this lets me know that this junk pill made this disorder in your intestines. It doesn't surprise me that the microbiota is involved in more problems than perhaps many of us think are unrelated. some problems persist from the last time or continue of the same intensity. I am not looking for answers to support me in my symptoms, on the contrary, I want to know the ability of this pill to destroy microbes and damage the intestinal epithelium in people who are susceptible to this damage. thank you.

Just keep in mind that isnt my test, that is a sample test.

Im pretty sure im going to order it soon though.

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(@jorgeantoniocalderon40)

Posted : 09/27/2021 2:35 am

3 hours ago, guitarman01 said:

Just keep in mind that isnt my test, that is a sample test.

Im pretty sure im going to order it soon though.

I know, there really is a reason to do it, right?

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Posted : 09/27/2021 1:51 pm

11 hours ago, george20 said:

I know, there really is a reason to do it, right?

I ordered the test. it was only 70 us dollars. They are paying for shipping, I will pay for return shipping.

You just prick your finger, its a dry blood test. I have no idea on the timeframe because I think the actual lab is in Slovenia.

They might have more local shipping and receiving.

I will post when I get the kit, see how long it takes.

Seems pretty accredited.

https://chromatest.si/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/CHROMATEST-ENGLISH-PUB-Q3-2020-1.pdf

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Posted : 09/27/2021 4:46 pm

That sounds great, I could say in advance that maybe the bacteria are spoiled, I know that in theory and experience, the intestinal problems were strong after this poison, as time this has alleviated too much ... it is like I was recovering part of a lost intestinal flora that makes my intestines start working well, this is my point; damage to intestinal bacteria. I hope your analysis goes well and without a doubt it would be great if you share your experiences, greetings.

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(@lll3)

Posted : 10/01/2021 5:51 pm

Hey everyone. Has anyone tried water fasting? If so, how long did you do it for and did it make you feel better?

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Posted : 10/01/2021 7:35 pm

Interesting session today with kinesiologist 

We finally got to look at my bad varicose veins. Part of the work today aside from improving blood flow was to look at anything that might be lacking in terms of collagen formation 

Turns out I™m lacking œProline in particular which is an amino acid. I™m all good with Vit C and Zinc and Iron which we also tested 

I™ll start supplementing in a few weeks when it comes in from UK. What™s also interesting about Proline is it helps protect stomach lining - I™m hoping it will also help my reflux issue, this could be a major breakthrough for me I™m hoping!!! :)
 

Also proline is good for cartilage and joint protection amongst other things.

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Posted : 10/03/2021 9:01 pm

I just did a 48 hour water fast and i feel the best i have in years. Not kidding. Ive been eating little carbs and dairy as well as eatingless in general and 95% organic along with taking probiotics and enzymes and a colon cleans supplement for a month prior leading up to the fast. Mentally sharp, physically more energized, legs and body not nearly as achy as before. I lost nearly 10 lbs in the past month. Please do yourself a huge favor and try this!!! I plan to do it once a month. Wow

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Posted : 10/04/2021 8:16 am

Have you started your water fast yet? What are you waiting for? Read my post above.

It's honestly been years since I felt this mentally clear and physically energized. I almost feel like a normal person LOL. I plan to do this 48 hour water fast once a month. Please please please try this!!!

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Posted : 10/08/2021 6:35 pm

Just another reminder to EVERYONE to try the 48 hour water fast and cut carbs, sugar, and all junk out as much as possible!!! It's been a week since I did my fast and i still feel great!!! Heck try a 72 hour fast!!!! I hope pray wish it works for you as it did for me. Please report back here let us know how it went!!!

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Posted : 10/09/2021 4:09 pm

I think guitarman is right about the importance of the microbiome in all of this. A strong healthy microbiome reduces beta glucuronidase, which prevents reabsorption of toxic chemicals such as accutane. A weak microbiome allows beta glucuronidase to flourish, allowing reabsorption of toxic chemicals.

I'm with naturecrazy YouTube video guy, who says the drug is still in us. Below is my current program. I believe the 3 keys are retinol rich beef liver, probiotic rich goodbelly juice and low-fat organic yogurt smoothies, and alginate rich seagate seaweed capsules. Will keep the board posted.

Daily supplements

Beef liver
Seagate seaweed

Diet
Non GMO
Omnivore
Organic when possible

Staple beverages
Good belly juice
Organic low-fat yogurt smoothie

Avoid
Soy
Gmo
Pork
Alcohol
Caffeine
Tobacco
Cannabis
Artificial sweeteners
Artificial preservatives

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