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Simple carbs can be a problem. Complex carbs are good. With the Ginkgo gotu kola combo, I simply eat whatever my body wants. Raw veggies are bad. Raw organic fruit is good. Saturated fat is good. Tuna salad is good. Non GMO low fat whole grain snacks are good. Whole organic milk and cheese are good. Starbucks mocha is good. Roasted organic peanuts are good.
Nobody is going to beat accutane with diet alone. The drug is trapped inside your body, and it's put your body and mind in fight or flight mode. Biofeedback based herbal intervention is a must. Biofeedback eliminates the guessing game. When you zero in on the pituitary and hypothalamus, the machine tells you exactly which herbs are right for you.
I'm experiencing tons and tons of gurgling in my mid section with this herbal combo. Metabolic activities that were silenced for ages are reactivating. Best I've been mentally in ages.
Im not expecting to beat accutane with diet alone, just think carbs are not doing me any favours.
In regards to not using vitamin A properly now, I get the feeling even the anti A community believes this too, due to ideas of reduction and refill. So I think maybe there's some common ground there.
As you may know, the body relies on two things other than water for hydration. Hydrogen rich Saturated fat and/or carbs. When I wasn't using the gbgk herbal combo, I relied heavily on keto. With the gbgk combo, fruit and whole grains are more appealing and helpful. keto is no longer appealing to me.
When the lymphatic system is clogged, fat transport is blocked. When you unclog the lymph with gotu kola, fat transport returns. I'd still be dead in the water without gbgk.
My goal is to move 13 cis retinoic acid from tissue to toilet via systemic lymphatic drainage.
Supplements
Organic gotu kola
Organic cordyceps
Fruits
Raw
Organic when possible
Beverages
Spring water
Organic whole milk
Organic carrot juice
Starbucks mocha 4 pack
Oj not from concentrate with pulp
Meats
Beef burgers
Starkist tuna salad
Non GMO Whole grains
Popcorn
Quaker rice crisps
Sun chips non original
Other
Organic smooth peanut butter
I've never been able to find a straight whole herb ginkgo product and probably never will. Had to give up the ginkgo but still going with gotu kola. Standardized herb extracts will never work for me. Can only do straight whole herbs. Cordyceps was added tonight. Both appear high on the biofeedback list. Will report good or bad soon.
On 4/6/2020 at 10:42 AM, Roland1968 said:
It sounds like a good idea to contact some her post Accutane patients. Please keep us posted on results. I am sure many here would appreciate it.
She will not allow me to contact any of the patients she just assured me that they are doing very well consuming Liver on what they call the Paleolithic Ketogenic Diet (PKD)
10 hours ago, Aaron76 said:I've never been able to find a straight whole herb ginkgo product and probably never will. Had to give up the ginkgo but still going with gotu kola. Standardized herb extracts will never work for me. Can only do straight whole herbs. Cordyceps was added tonight. Both appear high on the biofeedback list. Will report good or bad soon.
Do you have any idea why one might suffer with sinus issues/inflammation, increased post nasal drip which sometimesresultsin blockages and dry eyes (obvious one) post accutane? Symptoms kinda like hayfever or allergies. Leads to brain fog sensation and fatigue.
I've tried absolutely everything and can't shake it. Antihistamines do nothing. Got a nasal irrigation machine.
Seen countless doctors for post accutane symptoms, even had faecal microbiota transplantation which cost a fortune,
Only things that help me now are fasting and exercise. They seem to reset my system and I feel great for a while but it never lasts.
I've definitely seen a gradual improvement over the years with the things i've done but these last few issues are driving me crazy!
I feel like my detox pathway's arecompromised in some way. But i've done Quicksilver Scientific's liver flush. Im done absolutely everything I can think of.
Any thoughts much appreciated,
Thanks
Lee
Hey lee, I had the exact same sinus issues post accutane, and those issues are now gone thanks to the gotu kola. I believe it's a clogged lymphatic issue. The biofeedback machine would always show sinus issues with virtually every scan. Now the machine shows a much improved sinus area. I can definitely feel the difference gotu kola has made also. My current brand of gotu kola is organic India, but there's a few other decent brands out there also.
Ignore the California prop 65 warning. The amount of lead in the product is far below the WHO and us fda safety guidelines. California prop 65 has been widely debunked as a litigation avenue for corrupt lawyers looking to make money on innocent food and supplement companies. Californians have learned to ignore this bullshit, baseless warning. Organic India and banyan botanicals are both highly regarded companies.
The organic gotu kola/cordyceps combo is significantly better than the ginko combo. Mentally I'm the best I've ever been post accutane. Physically I have a ways to go.
It's all biofeedback based from my medicomat machine. For a long time I paid too much attention to the liver, gut, and whole brain, and got nowhere. I finally ignored all of that and focused exclusively on the nuclea of hypothalamus, which in reality is the hypo pituitary region. Ignored the food recommendations and focused on the supplements section. That is how I arrived at gotu kola and cordyceps.
I may or may not fully recover, but I believe this daily combination gives me the best shot.
On 4/19/2020 at 4:42 PM, Aaron76 said:Hey lee, I had the exact same sinus issues post accutane, and those issues are now gone thanks to the gotu kola. I believe it's a clogged lymphatic issue. The biofeedback machine would always show sinus issues with virtually every scan. Now the machine shows a much improved sinus area. I can definitely feel the difference gotu kola has made also. My current brand of gotu kola is organic India, but there's a few other decent brands out there also.
Ignore the California prop 65 warning. The amount of lead in the product is far below the WHO and us fda safety guidelines. California prop 65 has been widely debunked as a litigation avenue for corrupt lawyers looking to make money on innocent food and supplement companies. Californians have learned to ignore this bullshit, baseless warning. Organic India and banyan botanicals are both highly regarded companies.
Thanks for the reply.
I feel like i've tried everything but never heard of gotu kola. What brought it to your attention?
Do you have any links to any studies or literature that might indicate this supplement is useful post accutane or to assist lymphatic drainage?
The fact you had very similar symptoms to mine and they have cleared up is very encouraging to me.
I guess if it's safe I have nothing to lose by giving it a try.
Thanks again,
Lee
Hey lee, my medicomat machine is what prompted me to use it. I avoided it for a long time due to some baseless reports online about liver damage, but no liver damage here, per my recent machine liver scans. I believe the reports of liver damage was actually the gotu kola pushing toxins out of the lymph system and into the liver, which was temporarily overwhelmed with lymphatic based toxins. Had those people given it more time the liver issues would've likely cleared up with continued gotu kola use.
Google search gotu kola lymphatic and you'll see multiple positive reports. You can cross reference gotu kola with all kinds of health issues and for many you'll find a benefit. I'm also using organic cordyceps capsules and it is another keeper. One of the many benefits of cordyceps is that it boosts dht, which is the exact opposite of accutane.
5 hours ago, Aaron76 said:Hey lee, my medicomat machine is what prompted me to use it. I avoided it for a long time due to some baseless reports online about liver damage, but no liver damage here, per my recent machine liver scans. I believe the reports of liver damage was actually the gotu kola pushing toxins out of the lymph system and into the liver, which was temporarily overwhelmed with lymphatic based toxins. Had those people given it more time the liver issues would've likely cleared up with continued gotu kola use.
Google search gotu kola lymphatic and you'll see multiple positive reports. You can cross reference gotu kola with all kinds of health issues and for many you'll find a benefit. I'm also using organic cordyceps capsules and it is another keeper. One of the many benefits of cordyceps is that it boosts dht, which is the exact opposite of accutane.
I am VERY curious about your herbal combo. My son has been sick. I assuming/hoping it is just a regular ole virus-although WHO would he get it from, he is isolated due to COVID. His Dad is not sick and the only one he is around!! He went to a Dr today and they said it was pressure in ears. It is cedar and oak season in Austin, so I think he snotted himself into a blockage.
Oh, his allergies got FAR worse after this crap.
He told me today that his Erectile Dysfunction is worse this week/today as well. Lovely..hoping that is just general unwell/anxiety.
I also wonder what you all think of having fats in your diet or vitamins. I suggested he start on Omega's for joint pain and skin.
I almost wish I was dead, as the stress of my son is killing. All I see if before/after and it is too much to bear.
On 4/11/2020 at 9:27 AM, Aaron76 said:Current daily protocol is whole herb gotu kola, full spectrum ginkgo, and whole beef liver. I believe accutane creates a vitamin A deficiency. Consuming significant amounts of retinol with clogged detox pathways is a recipe for disaster. Consuming retinol with opened up detox pathways should produce positive results. Ginkgo opens up sebaceous glands, and gotu kola opens up the lymphatic detox pathways. Will keep the board posted.
Can you explain this more, and maybe I missed a post. How do sebaceous glands have retinol in it. I hear a lot about detox pathways, what does that mean?
On 4/11/2020 at 8:23 PM, Owen2000 said:Is this what you're talking about?
https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Paradise-Herbs-Ginkgo-Biloba-60-Veggie-Caps/5466
Hey,
I was placed on accutane 30mg April 2019, within 3 weeks I had to stop treatment for the same thing, but my hairline also receded - 1 year on, my hairline has still not grown back and my hair is still thinning out.
Although I can say is the hair thinning does slow down after stopping, but I still continue to lose long strands of hair, as of yet the hair thinning is not noticeable.
What really tops it off for me is after I stopped accutane, I used Epiduo (Benzoyl Peroxide and Adapalene) and this cleared my whole skin from acne within 3 months, I still need to use Epiduo every other day to keep my skin clear.
I can't help on your question, but wow, if it is "just" your hair, thank your lucky stars.
On 4/8/2020 at 12:16 PM, Aaron76 said:It's ok to be angry at accutane, and at mainstream modern medicine in general. Denying true feelings is never helpful. For you accutane is gone, but for many of us it's still trapped inside the clogged lymph system.
The lymphatic system is a greatly underestimated detox system that can become clogged up by toxic emotions and toxic chemicals such as accutane. Stimulating lymphatic flow is key to healing. For you, exercise was the answer. For others, it simply isn't, especially now with a global mandated lockdown. I believe low intensity, low impact daily exercise after the lockdown ends would be helpful for anyone.
My biofeedback machine has always recommended the ginkgo gotu kola combo as the #1 top supplement. The key was finding an American product that duplicates the European brands included in my machines product library that I didn't have access to. nature's way ginkgo is the American equivolant.
Gotu kola is proven to stimulate lymphatic flow, and it's excellent for removing toxic trapped chemicals and emotions. Full spectrum ginkgo I'm finding is not nearly as effective as ginkgo standardized extract. And if gotu kola is taken without ginkgo extract, it can do more harm than good. Together is key for these two herbs.
Sorry to blow up your posts, what do you think about Lymphatic Massage?
Anna I dont agree with the mass global lockdown. I believe it's making normally healthy people sick by shutting them in and forbidding outdoor exercise. We should be keeping older people with preexisting health conditions indoors with paid sick leave from work and grocery delivery to their door. Everyone else should be working and partying like normal. It's a deliberate attempt by corrupt anti Trump globalists to crash the global economy and instill mass fear to increase vaccine sales.
The lymphatic system is the bodys garbage disposal, and accutane has locked it up. Gotu kola unlocks it, and cordyceps lends a helping hand in the process.
I want your son on organic gotu kola and organic cordyceps capsules every morning. Max daily dose of each. Amazon sells both. I also want him loading up on citrus fruits and or juice. I also want him to boost his intake of seafood. Not a big fan of seafood here but I love albacore tuna salad and breaded shrimp. I also want him to consume whole organic dairy in the form of milk cheese and or yogurt. I want him to avoid isolated omega fatty acid supplements. They are all junk.
Anticipate a detox reaction in the form of loose stools. This will pass eventually. The drug is trapped inside his body. It's up to you to get it out with the above program. Godspeed.
51 minutes ago, Aaron76 said:Anna I dont agree with the mass global lockdown. I believe it's making normally healthy people sick by shutting them in and forbidding outdoor exercise. We should be keeping older people with preexisting health conditions indoors with paid sick leave from work and grocery delivery to their door. Everyone else should be working and partying like normal. It's a deliberate attempt by corrupt anti Trump globalists to crash the global economy and instill mass fear to increase vaccine sales.
The lymphatic system is the bodys garbage disposal, and accutane has locked it up. Gotu kola unlocks it, and cordyceps lends a helping hand in the process.
I want your son on organic gotu kola and organic cordyceps capsules every morning. Max daily dose of each. Amazon sells both. I also want him loading up on citrus fruits and or juice. I also want him to boost his intake of seafood. Not a big fan of seafood here but I love albacore tuna salad and breaded shrimp. I also want him to consume whole organic dairy in the form of milk cheese and or yogurt. I want him to avoid isolated omega fatty acid supplements. They are all junk.
Anticipate a detox reaction in the form of loose stools. This will pass eventually. The drug is trapped inside his body. It's up to you to get it out with the above program. Godspeed.
Regarding COVID, I am certain there are major political games afoot. Big ones. So many games and money and power schemes I can't figure it all out. His school is out, and as we was going with me to my school (which is also out), he doesn't have friends in our apartment ( 
) My mother has Stage 4 cancer, so I had to send him back home while I stayed here with her when he went super stir crazy. He has joint aches, and sinus/ear crap. I'd normally say sinus, but the body ache and the increased ED issue?
You will find this interesting. Today at the ER (he and his father decided to go b/c of his ear pain). The Dr recommended he get tested for COVID, but sent him away..like um, are we not at a hospital? One testing center's online info stated he was not a candidate for testing (online screening). Like, oh, the ER recommended it, but could not do it and a testing center just couldn't do it? I call BS all the way around.
I am gong to look into your suggestions. I bought a really good Omega3, but maybe fish instead would be better.
I want your stage four mom on the same herbal program as your son. No chemo or radiation. And if the testing center said he's not a candidate then i wouldn't bother with corona testing. This herbal combo is better than any pharmaceutical bs for strengthening the immune system and fighting viruses. If he develops lung issues then go back then. he would need to sleep on his stomach to improve breathing until the lung issues resolve.
Not really. Externally visual Lymphedema happens when one or more lymph nodes have been physically removed. Watch Dr. Robert Morse on YouTube. He talks a lot about the importance of lymphatic detox, and the concept of acid vs alkaline chemistry. This is in perfect alignment with accutane people, who are highly acidic from retinoic acid.
My current herbal combo is producing the best sleep I've had in ages. Ending the lockdown should help speed up the healing process.
2 hours ago, Aaron76 said:Not really. Externally visual Lymphedema happens when one or more lymph nodes have been physically removed. Watch Dr. Robert Morse on YouTube. He talks a lot about the importance of lymphatic detox, and the concept of acid vs alkaline chemistry. This is in perfect alignment with accutane people, who are highly acidic from retinoic acid.
My current herbal combo is producing the best sleep I've had in ages. Ending the lockdown should help speed up the healing process.
Have you considered under_tows theory regarding aldehyde dehydrogenase blunting, will you herbal combo unblunt this?
1 hour ago, Calcified said:Have you considered under_tows theory regarding aldehyde dehydrogenase blunting, will you herbal combo unblunt this?
@Calcified gotu kola is high in carotenoids, which will add to the amount of retinol to detox. I suspect the reported liver damage from gotu kola is caused by the vitamin A content. gotu kola also effects alcohol consumption, inline with VA damage on the liver.
When it comes to healing, there's looking at the big picture, and there's trying to pinpoint specific enzymes or processes, the latter being quite annoying. I've gone the latter route in the past, looking at things like Lrat, cytochrome p450, nrf2, gnmt, glucuronidation, etc. Ive long since realized how incredibly stupid and ignorant it is to try to manipulate this enzyme or that process with this vitamin or that mineral. The body simply doesn't work that way.
I consider the pituitary and hypothalamus to be the master relay switch, or the cpu, of the human body. Biofeedback between the brain and the rest of the body occurs in your cpu. When I was observing my gut, my liver, and other parts of the body with the machine, I was wasting my time. Nothing but inconclusive info. Once I decided to focus exclusively on the supplements section of the nuclea of hypothalamus and ignore everything else, the picture became much more clear. Gotu kola. Cordyceps. These herbs act on far more than just the brain. They act on the entire body. Healing the body is much more time consuming than the brain, simply because of the difference in size.
Gotu kola is a leafy green vegetable. Elephants eat tons of it and live long lives with incredibly sharp memories. But we better avoid leafy greens like spinach because it will damage our liver. Doesn't sound too intelligent, does it? Gotu kola's carotenoid content helps to replenish true vitamin A as it detoxifies 13 cis retinoic acid out of the skin and lymph. We've gone over it a million times. The body will not utilize carotenoids for vitamin A formation unless it is necessary. Multiple studies have shown this. Ut i don't know why you can't grasp that simple concept. Whole food beta carotene does NOT contribute to retinoic acid toxicity. It only contributes to vitamin A formation when vitamin A is truly needed.
Will this herbal combo heal my body completely? I truly don't know. Is it producing major benefits for my brain? Absolutely it is. If that's all it ever does, the effects are good enough I'd stick with it for life. But I believe that with time the body will follow what's happening in my brain.
Anyone is welcome to purchase a biofeedback machine from Amazon or other websites if they wish. I'm trying to save everyone that significant financial cost by reporting my findings here. I will report periodically how things go with this combo.
I'll refute the vitamin A toxicity theory once and for all. A damaged liver causes vitamin a, d, and e toxicity, even if someone has never touched beef liver or cod liver oil or accutane. A malfunctioning liver can cause fat soluble vitamins to build up over time. Eliminating beneficial foods like dairy, sweet potatoes, carrot juice is NOT the answer. Fixing the liver and lymph is the answer. Gotu kola regulates collagen formation. It builds collagen in your joints, and eliminates unwanted collagen in your liver. Eliminate liver collagen and you eliminate liver damage, and you eliminate fat soluble vitamin toxicity. Case closed.