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Current daily protocol is whole herb gotu kola, full spectrum ginkgo, and whole beef liver. I believe accutane creates a vitamin A deficiency. Consuming significant amounts of retinol with clogged detox pathways is a recipe for disaster. Consuming retinol with opened up detox pathways should produce positive results. Ginkgo opens up sebaceous glands, and gotu kola opens up the lymphatic detox pathways. Will keep the board posted.
16 hours ago, Roland1968 said:When you say that your dryness and headache were gone a long time ago. Does this mean they were gone already before you started the zero vitamin a diet? Or is it a result of the diet?
Thanks
Roland
As a result. They sometimes come back when I accidentally eat Vitamin A or Dairyalthough not as bad as they used to.
On 4/11/2020 at 8:30 PM, Aaron76 said:It comes from all over the web. Google search ginkgo, sebaceous. The gingko brand I'm currently using is Paradise herbs.
Is this what you're talking about?
https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Paradise-Herbs-Ginkgo-Biloba-60-Veggie-Caps/5466
https://www.healthessentialsdirect.co.uk/products/buy-gotu-kola-powder
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On 4/9/2020 at 7:05 PM, Rohit@123 said:Hii guys...sry for this weird intervention...I was trying to enter in this sub but everyone I got an error and now I sorted out that it was coz I am not registered on this site ..lol...
Hii...I am an Indian guy...17 yo...I took accutane an year ago. 20mg..and after 2 month it made my hair fell out...so I stopped taking it...but now the hairfall hasn't stopped..it's like 10-15 hairs per day...and my hair got thin and a bit wirey...idk what to do...
There's no receding hairline or what so ever...I still have a straight juveline hairline.. but the hair at the middle of my hairline looks thin... Idk..what made my hair like this....please any help would be really helpful...none of my family member is bald ..all have great hairs
I think the cause is excess vit A that's being stored in our liver..as our body also produces accutane naturally but in very low amount..so maybe coz of excess of Vit A ...it caused these symptoms...just like But A toxicity..I also have dry/flaky skin....and a bit bad eye...
Has anybody tried detox or but A low diet?...
Any advice would be really helpful guys...I'll send you my pics ...before and after accutane:(
Any advice would be really helpful!!!
Hey,
I was placed on accutane 30mg April 2019, within 3 weeks I had to stop treatment for the same thing, but my hairline also receded - 1 year on, my hairline has still not grown back and my hair is still thinning out.
Although I can say is the hair thinning does slow down after stopping, but I still continue to lose long strands of hair, as of yet the hair thinning is not noticeable.
What really tops it off for me is after I stopped accutane, I used Epiduo (Benzoyl Peroxide and Adapalene) and this cleared my whole skin from acne within 3 months, I still need to use Epiduo every other day to keep my skin clear.
7 hours ago, cnb30 said:As a result. They sometimes come back when I accidentally eat Vitamin A or Dairyalthough not as bad as they used to.
Thank you. Sounds very promising. One more question. My skin is very sun sensitive post Accutane. Did you also experience sun sensitivity?And if yes did you see any improvements with your diet?
Owen, that's the ginkgo brand I'm currently using. Swanson health makes a decent full spectrum ginkgo product also. That looks like a decent gotu kola product you posted, but I'm taking organic India brand gotu kola capsules. Another good gotu kola brand would be pure mountain botanicals.
I have been to my GP and all my blood tests have came back normal, from vitamin A to Vitamin B12 etc. Everything is normal, so the doctors can't do anymore.
Alopecia is also a listed side affect on the drug too, not just hair thinning. Something which I was not told before starting this drug. I've kind of stopped caring now, there's nothing we can do - although try and find ways to get body back to normal such as hair growth etc. I have also noticed my hair has stopped growing as quickly too.
Other than the hair loss side affects, I have suffered no other side effects such as loss of sex drive, which I am happy about
"There's nothing we can do." Too many modern men have this stupid attitude, and it's a big reason why so many modern women are so fed up with modern men. Too many men just accept the crimes committed against them, and do nothing to fight back.
How many times have you been tested for retinoic acid toxicity? Never, probably because such a test doesn't even exist, even though criminal doctors have retinoic acid in their arsenal against modern men. Well, if you were tested for retinoic acid, the test would reveal that your levels are off the charts.
Full spectrum ginkgo restores blood flow to sebaceous glands, gotu kola detoxifies your congested lymphatic system. Lots of modern men have a normal sex drive with abnormal performance.
Do not accept the bullshit the doctor did to you. Fight back.
4 hours ago, Aaron76 said:"There's nothing we can do." Too many modern men have this stupid attitude, and it's a big reason why so many modern women are so fed up with modern men. Too many men just accept the crimes committed against them, and do nothing to fight back.
How many times have you been tested for retinoic acid toxicity? Never, probably because such a test doesn't even exist, even though criminal doctors have retinoic acid in their arsenal against modern men. Well, if you were tested for retinoic acid, the test would reveal that your levels are off the charts.
Full spectrum ginkgo restores blood flow to sebaceous glands, gotu kola detoxifies your congested lymphatic system, and undefatted beef liver restores your damaged liver back to health. Lots of modern men have a normal sex drive with abnormal performance.
Do not accept the bullshit the doctor did to you. Fight back.
I wouldn't blame the doctors for our problems, there is a reason why doctors ALWAYS refer you to the Dermatologist as a very last resort, as they know what the next steps will be.
My doctor fully agrees with me, but there is nothing she can do to help me - as nothing shows anything is abnormal.
Famous Youtuber Tanner Fox also taken Accutane, done the full course - I am still following him, but as of yet he has not complained of any side affects post treatment. He may just have been one of those lucky people.
I will buy the products which you have mentioned and give them ago.
The side affects I got from this drug are
- Hair Thinning (Still continuing 1 year after treatment)
- Receding hairline (not grown back)
- Thinning of eyebrows and eye lashes
- Eye floaters
- Brain Fog (which seemed to have gone away now)
In my opinion this drug should be REMOVED from the market, doesn't matter whether some people complete the course with ZERO side affects.
1 hour ago, Owen2000 said:I wouldn't blame the doctors for our problems, there is a reason why doctors ALWAYS refer you to the Dermatologist as a very last resort, as they know what the next steps will be.
My doctor fully agrees with me, but there is nothing she can do to help me - as nothing shows anything is abnormal.
Famous Youtuber Tanner Fox also taken Accutane, done the full course - I am still following him, but as of yet he has not complained of any side affects post treatment. He may just have been one of those lucky people.
I will buy the products which you have mentioned and give them ago.
The side affects I got from this drug are
- Hair Thinning (Still continuing 1 year after treatment)
- Receding hairline (not grown back)
- Thinning of eyebrows and eye lashes
- Eye floaters
- Brain Fog (which seemed to have gone away now)
In my opinion this drug should be REMOVED from the market, doesn't matter whether some people complete the course with ZERO side affects.
I think I've heard that Accutane disrupts our Thyroid hormones too....which causes thinning!!
And it's reversible!!
Imo accutane does any of the 2 things
1. Vit A toxicity
2. Hypothyroidism (cause of excess of Vit A)
And both are curable....I was a noob that I was following western meds for trreating the sides of accutane...
But Vit A toxicity is all that we need to manage......We need to detox our body and Don't consume Vit A in any form!!...and just try natural approach!!
Edit: I've found that Gotu kola is bad for liver?.....
And check this video on YT about Hypothyroidism caused by accutane... pretty much the same thing told by you all guys and there's a solution too
Video is a bit vague, cant we test thyroid and know for sure we have hypothyroidism??
not just something that mimics it....
To defend the doctors which Im loathe to do, they test us and it doesnt conclude anything for majority of people - if only it was that easy!!
Also, guy in video isnt saying to completely avoid Vit A, he just encourages you to get it from one source over another.
Current protocol is Paradise Ginkgo and organic India Gotu kola daily in the morning. I've seen the liver warning for gotu kola before. I'm monitoring stools and observing liver function via biofeedback machine. Will report good or bad soon.
Li ching yuen lived to be 256 yrs old, and gotu kola was a daily staple herb for him. Not sure how he could achieve 256 yrs if gotu kola truly damages the liver. I've been back and forth with beef liver, and currently I agree with avoiding preformed retinol. I believe whole food beta Carotene is beneficial.
One caveat is that when I first bought the machine, it would automatically zero in on my eyes on every scan and feedback was bornholm eye disease. I then started beef liver on and off. After a while of beef liver on and off, no more bornholm eye disease detected. The machine completely stopped paying attention to my eyes after supplementing with beef liver.
I believe the drug is still in us, and like undertow says, that it shares the same detox pathways as retinol. The beef liver improved my eye health, but my liver struggles after a while of it. I've never experienced anything but good things from sweet potatoes. Sweet potatoes were not widely available in Russia when the machine was made. Apricots and pumpkin are/were, and apricot and pumpkin are some of the top recommended foods consistently from the machine.
Interestingly, a holistic dentist that I used to go to had an American made biofeedback machine, and sweet potatoes was a food that was strongly recommended to me by his machine. I eat sweet potatoes about once a week and get nothing bad from them. I'd never be able to stand eating them every day though.
I took 4 of the organic India Gotu kola and 3 of the Paradise Ginkgo when I got up this morning, and just did a biofeedback scan at 220pm eastern USA. The machine indicates perfectly normal liver functioning. Also scanned the pituitary hypothalamus region and it's the best that area has ever looked.
Mentally it feels stress free, calm, relaxed. Physically I haven't really noticed anything good yet. Nothing bad to report physically. I'll be doing 4 and 3 again tomorrow morning, with a scan tomorrow afternoon, and so on.
Pretty angry with myself right now for putting so much stock into the scare stories online about gotu kola and liver damage, which is what kept me from trying it for so long. Will continue reporting here.
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On 4/12/2020 at 11:04 PM, Rohit@123 said:I think I've heard that Accutane disrupts our Thyroid hormones too....which causes thinning!!
And it's reversible!!
Imo accutane does any of the 2 things
1. Vit A toxicity
2. Hypothyroidism (cause of excess of Vit A)
And both are curable....I was a noob that I was following western meds for trreating the sides of accutane...
But Vit A toxicity is all that we need to manage......We need to detox our body and Don't consume Vit A in any form!!...and just try natural approach!!
Edit: I've found that Gotu kola is bad for liver?.....
And check this video on YT about Hypothyroidism caused by accutane... pretty much the same thing told by you all guys and there's a solution too
I got my thyroid levels checked too, came back normal.
I'm getting tons better results mentally with the Paradise Ginkgo / organic India Gotu kola combo than what I was getting from nature's way ginkgo. Why? Because the Paradise Ginkgo is full spectrum, whereas the nature's way ginko is fractionated. Including lots of tuna salad to replenish the dha levels also. Pain that I've had in my left shoulder from a fall earlier this year seems to be disappearing as well. Studies show gotu kola regulates collagen, dissolving it where it's not supposed to be (liver), and building it where it is supposed to be (joints, shoulder, etc).
Unlike the usual, bowel movement today was dark and well formed. Loose and light colored stools hopefully are a thing of the past. Urination is increased, likely from gotu kolas diuretic action. Seems to be excess belly water that's coming out.
On 4/12/2020 at 10:57 PM, Owen2000 said:I wouldn't blame the doctors for our problems, there is a reason why doctors ALWAYS refer you to the Dermatologist as a very last resort, as they know what the next steps will be.
My doctor fully agrees with me, but there is nothing she can do to help me - as nothing shows anything is abnormal.
Famous Youtuber Tanner Fox also taken Accutane, done the full course - I am still following him, but as of yet he has not complained of any side affects post treatment. He may just have been one of those lucky people.
I will buy the products which you have mentioned and give them ago.
The side affects I got from this drug are
- Hair Thinning (Still continuing 1 year after treatment)
- Receding hairline (not grown back)
- Thinning of eyebrows and eye lashes
- Eye floaters
- Brain Fog (which seemed to have gone away now)
In my opinion this drug should be REMOVED from the market, doesn't matter whether some people complete the course with ZERO side affects.
Good to hear that you think the drug should be banned. Without doubt the Isotretinoin should not be prescribed to teenagers.
Is everyone aware of the review which is taking place and is anyone willing to participate in the MHRA survey(Incsexual dysfunction)which should be available on the MHRA website by the end of April early May?
18 hours ago, Fighback said:Good to hear that you think the drug should be banned. Without doubt the Isotretinoin should not be prescribed to teenagers.
Is everyone aware of the review which is taking place and is anyone willing to participate in the MHRA survey(Incsexual dysfunction)which should be available on the MHRA website by the end of April early May?
Hey, we should all WRITE the MHRA survey a personal letter *and* the survey. I have written regarding my son's issues (sexual sides, hair, eyes, etc). I have written, they have written back and I have posted those letters here and on the FB groups.
We should try to message everyone who has ever been on this thread and try to get them to fill out the survey and write a letter.
While the MHRA can only do so much, it may be able to snowball..More visibility is key.
Beyond that, I am despondent every moment of everyday over my son's issues, my only child and the part I played by giving him this drug.
Anna I want you to try a combination of full spectrum Ginkgo and whole herb gotu kola daily every morning. My brands are Paradise Ginkgo and organic India gotu kola. Accutane is trapped in the sebaceous glands and lymphatic system. Ginkgo opens up the sebaceous glands and gotu kola opens up and detoxes the lymphatic system. This combo taken every day should flush accutane out once and for all.
Had some serious lymphatic drainage coming from my belly button today. Quantum biofeedback is how I arrived at this herbal combo. I strongly believe this is the cure.
17 hours ago, Aaron76 said:Anna I want you to try a combination of full spectrum Ginkgo and whole herb gotu kola daily every morning. My brands are Paradise Ginkgo and organic India gotu kola. Accutane is trapped in the sebaceous glands and lymphatic system. Ginkgo opens up the sebaceous glands and gotu kola opens up and detoxes the lymphatic system. This combo taken every day should flush accutane out once and for all.
Had some serious lymphatic drainage coming from my belly button today. Quantum biofeedback is how I arrived at this herbal combo. I strongly believe this is the cure.
Oh...I really hope that it is help you!! I just wanna make sure that it works...as I have found /read that Gotu kola is not good for liver..I mean not for long term....how long you've been taking these meds..
I just searched for their prices...in India they are available at 2$-3 $ ...each bottle ...
Hey Rohit. The stories of liver damage I believe are garbage. I'm having zero liver issues so far after maybe a week of use. I'm experiencing massive amounts of fluid drainage coming from the belly button, which indicates the lymph drainage is happening from the gotu kola use. Li ching yuen used gotu kola daily for over 200 years with no liver problems. It's probably why he lived to be 256 yrs old.
Your homeland produces maybe the best herb on the planet in gotu kola, which is probably why the price is so low for east Indians. I would combine it with full spectrum Ginkgo to release stored accutane from the sebaceous glands also. Happy healing.