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On 2/25/2020 at 11:41 AM, Aaron76 said:I've always had a major issue with isolated zinc due to it being a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor. Same thing with selenium. I think we get plenty of zinc and selenium from the food we eat. I consider those two minerals to be sissifying minerals. If I ever came across a guy who wanted to convert to being a woman, I'd reccomend he supplement with zinc and selenium.
The only mineral isolates that have ever done me any good are boron, manganese, iron, magnesium.
Feminizing fats would be anything polyunsaturated. A feminizing amino acid would be lysine. Some feminizing vitamins would include B2, b5, b6, biotin, and vitamin e. This is why I hate multivitamins.
I've been taking zinc bisglycinate in the last 5 months. Every single day, 7 mg. Also zinc picolinate. There are days I take 15 mg from the latter. Never had any issue (RDA is 11 mg). Maybe it's the type of ZINC you tookor the dose fromall these vitamins? I find that most bottles sold in the U.S. and Europe exaggerate a lot, not to mention the crap they put as additives and fillers in them (like soybean oil in vitamin D-3...),if that's the case you can always go to a compounding pharmacy.
This link explains that some interactions can decrease the absorption of zinc: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222317/
I bought a multivitamin recently just to see how my body will react. My daily intake of zinc during this experiment (probably for 6 months)will increase from at least 7 mg to 15 mg max to 14-22 mg. I'll check if your theory holds, since it also has all others you mentioned (selenium, vitamin E, all B vitamins, and a few more).
I'll never understand why some men feel the need to supplement with zinc. Is it because they've been sold the lie that it boosts testosterone? It doesn't. It boosts estrogen. Why? Because it wipes out dht. Dht inhibits estrogen. Any simple Google search confirms that zinc wipes out 5 alpha reductase. Which is what accutane does.
I guarantee that if you put away the feminizing zinc and multivitamin, and start loading up on hydrogen rich saturated fat, particularly beef, whole organic dairy, and roasted cashews, you'll start feeling a little better. No, a high fat diet won't cure accutane syndrome, but it will help some. Anytime I've ever tried supplemental zinc I felt tons worse. Whenever I follow my instincts and pig out on beef burgers from McDonald's, burger king, Wendy's, etc, I actually feel a little better.
My biofeedback machine recommends chamomilla homeopathic, and all it does is more harm than good due to its feminizing apigenin content. I believe it recommends chamomilla due to chamomillas carotenoid content, which to me indicates the drug is still trapped in the body. The biofeedback machine senses accutane's presence, and is attempting to balance out the excess retinoic acid with carotenoid rich chamomilla.
I'm trying a new combination of two specific detox superfoods and will report if any success.
Also, zinc is a trace mineral. You don't need much of it, and you get plenty of it from food. Potassium is a macro mineral. You need tons of it. If you're going to be supplementing with a mineral then it should be a macromineral such as potassium, which most ppl are deficient in thanks to living in the sodium overloaded modern world.
On 3/2/2020 at 10:36 AM, Aaron76 said:I'll never understand why some men feel the need to supplement with zinc. Is it because they've been sold the lie that it boosts testosterone? It doesn't. It boosts estrogen. Why? Because it wipes out dht. Dht inhibits estrogen. Any simple Google search confirms that zinc wipes out 5 alpha reductase. Which is what accutane does.
I guarantee that if you put away the feminizing zinc and multivitamin, and start loading up on hydrogen rich saturated fat, particularly beef, whole organic dairy, and roasted cashews, you'll start feeling a little better. No, a high fat diet won't cure accutane syndrome, but it will help some. Anytime I've ever tried supplemental zinc I felt tons worse. Whenever I follow my instincts and pig out on beef burgers from McDonald's, burger king, Wendy's, etc, I actually feel a little better.
I think in vivo, zinc was has not been shown to lower DHT.
https://examine.com/supplements/zinc/research/#interactions-wth-hormones_dehydrotestosterone-dht
With in vitro studies, it also appeared to mainly inhibit onlytype I 5A-R (skin), and not type II.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3207614/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8279712/
2 research studies prove my point about zinc. Enough about the zinc guys. If you want to further feminize yourselves with zinc, have at it. I'm focused on curing accutane syndrome, not making the problem worse.
Thanks for the reply. : )
Thats an in vitro study , and only mentions type I/ skin. The second link deals with injection into the prostate in rats.
This is an interesting study done on humans with oral supplementation. They saw that DHT levels actually rose.
It doesn't matter if it's in vitro or in Vivo! Who cares if it's only skin!!! Skin is the largest organ in the body!!! Hello!!!
It doesn't matter if it was injected or if it was consumed orally!!! It wipes out dht regardless of intake method! Wow!
I don't need these studies to prove my point. I know what zinc pills do to me, and it's anything but good. Im a man, the rest of you are men. Like I said, if you choose not to believe the word of a fellow man and want to feminize yourself, be my guest. I'll stick with healthy masculizing stuff like beef and dairy, while I try to pull the shit out with organic whole food detox supplements.
Thank you tj for having the good sense that some others here lack. The reason you have an issue with zinc even though you don't even supplement with it is because zinc is included in the original accutane pill. There's a chemical database online that goes into the components of oral accutane, and zinc is one of the components. The drug's still in you. If my current program works, I will share it here later.
8 hours ago, Aaron76 said:Thank you tj for having the good sense that some others here lack. The reason you have an issue with zinc even though you don't even supplement with it is because zinc is included in the original accutane pill. There's a chemical database online that goes into the components of oral accutane, and zinc is one of the components. The drug's still in you. If my current program works, I will share it here later.
I don't understand it, did you even read the science I posted? You have the good sense to warn others about overdoing supplementary zinc, but still mislead them into believing Accutane is still in their body because the effects of its imprint linger?
Where is this database that says zinc is a component in the Accutane formulation?
Iron is the only metal in the pill:
https://www.nps.org.au/medicine-finder/roaccutane-capsules
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Ingredients
Active ingredient - isotretinoin
Each Roaccutane 20 mg capsule contains 20 mg isotretinoin.
Inactive ingredients -
The capsules also contain:
- soya oil
- yellow beeswax
- partially hydrogenated soya oil
- hydrogenated soya oil.
Soya oil may contain traces of arachidic acid (a component of peanut oil).
The capsule shell contains:
- gelatin
- glycerol
- sorbitol
- mannitol
- maize starch product
- titanium dioxide
- iron oxide, red
The printing ink contains:
- shellac
- iron oxide, black.
Roaccutane does not contain sucrose or gluten.
Zinc must be used in the manufacturing process as a catalyst! The water-memory imprint left by zinc on the ingredients is what makes Accutane an inhibitor of the type I 5A-R!
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Isotretinoin
https://www.drugbank.ca/drugs/DB00982
I misspoke. do a page search for zinc for both links. At any rate, accutane and zinc both inhibit dht, so it would be pretty stupid to supplement with zinc. And you don't know that it's simply a memory imprint. You're guessing at it, just as I'm guessing it's still there.
One of the major issues with accutane is that it blocks potassium channels. I've got a biofeedback machine. The machine doesn't want to solve the problem with supplements. It wants to solve the problem with food. Some of the top recommended foods listed every scan include bananas, apricots and black currants. What do these all have in common? Potassium. I could eat 30 bananas in a day and guess which food would still be there at the top of the recommended foods list at the end of the day. You guessed it, bananas. Why? Because accutane has blocked the body's ability to absorb and utilize potassium. So how do you fix this? With organic cilantro capsules daily. Cilantro opens up these potassium channels, allowing potassium in, which regenerates the potassium pump, which gets the lymphatic system flowing again, which pushes stored accutane out and into circulation.
Now that cilantro has brought accutane out of storage and into circulation, you need organic chlorella tabs to bind to accutane and help flush it out and into the toilet. Potassium chloride tablets help replenish your body's depleted potassium levels. The machine's food and supplement database does not include cilantro or chlorella. If it did, theyd likely show up at the top of the recommended supplements list every scan.
6 organic cilantro capsules, 6 organic chlorella tablets, and 1 potassium chloride tablet daily. Will update here periodically.
A biofeedback machine is only as good as it's food and supplement database. If it has the foods and or supplements a person needs to heal, the machine is GOLD. If it doesn't contain the foods or supplements a person needs to heal in its database, then it can only provide vague clues, which is the situation with my machine.
LOL, better buy a better machine then. You talk about zinc being a 5AR inhibitor, then tell people a 5AR inhibitor like cilantro is going to help them.
There's even a patent filed for using cilantro extract for acne and balding because it is such a strong 5AR inhibitor:
https://patents.google.com/patent/JP3633699B2/en
Trolls can have fun stuffing feminizing cilantro up their b-holes for the rest of their lives trying to get rid of Accutane that doesn't exist! Hope it doesn't make ED worse 
7 hours ago, Yedek said:Bioenergy therapy is a solution ?
Yeah. I always feel better after a scan like I'm hitting a frequency that disturbs the imprinting left by Accutane. Something that can do powerful rife therapy is needed for a complete cure. These light-duty biofeedback machines used for scanning are too weak to make the effects permanent.
Aaron: if it does then it would be interesting to see my next blood tests, because prior to taking zinc my estrogen levels were low. And this is what happens when a man has low estradiol:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/11/estrogen-aging-men/2794243/
https://www.medpagetoday.org/endocrinology/generalendocrinology/41551?vpass=1
You dont want your levels to plummet. Contrary to what many think, this is as bad as having low testosterone.
Perhaps you can already ingestenough zinc from foods, but judging from whatwe have today, theres always a chance weare not receivingenough.
10 hours ago, Calcified said:Curious if anyone here thinks we need copper now, if we have too much zinc in us, as accutane may still be in us?
Dr voodoo, the link you provided is basically worthless. Any Joe blow can make claims and put it on the web. Ever heard of something called pubmed? It's where REAL scientists publish REAL scientific research. There's nothing there relating cilantro to dht. Nice try, dipshit.
Google search cilantro testes lead and you'll find real research of cilantros ability to reverse testicular damage caused by lead poisoning.
I think you're simply furious with me because you recently dropped thousands of dollars on a worthless biofeedback machine that can only produce insignificant and temporary results, you got all hyped up about it, thinking it was the answer you've been desperately looking for, and I come along and tell people the truth about it. That angers you, bigtime, and so you felt the need to go on the attack against me.
Guys, take it from me, someone whos actually owned a biofeedback machine for a significant amount of time. if you want to blow thousands of dollars on a worthless piece of shit machine, buy a biofeedback machine. Seriously.
I'm dropping the cilantro for now, not from anything from this forum, but simply because I don't like how I feel with it, but am keeping the chlorella, and am also adding in garlic. Im also utilizing something called the 23 hour daily fast, which allows for one meal per day at night after work. Intermittent fasting is a proven science, proven to improve overall health in many ways.
Perene, if you're dealing with low estrogen, then maybe zinc would be beneficial for you. You may also want to try saw palmetto to bring estrogen up.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19902160/
There u go voodoo. Real science.
Yes, I have varicose veins, mentioned on here years ago
The bigger question is how did thiscome about after taking Accutane??
not so much how to treat - you can easily just google that. I mean, its a blood flow issue that could be underlying many issues post tane, in particular the chronic tiredness many of us have to deal with....but why, what exactly has happened??
So he believes doing juice fasts first was critical before doing a water fast
maybe thats just his experience and opinion but there was talk on forum way back about jumping into fasting to cure tane sides.Sounds like you really need to know what youre doing right ( I dont, Ive done like a 3 day one at best ) If you dont know what youre doing you could do more harm than good yeah
how to you hold down a full on job and do a 16 day water fast!?