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2 hours ago, Justdry said:People have done the depleted vitamin A thing - but i don't think people have done it for as long as people like Grant have done it for and the people active on his forum. We're talking years of depleted vitamin A for recovery. I've been doing it since Mid December, noticing some changes but they're back and forth. Some days my hands and knuckles aren't anywhere near as dry as they have been, but some days it comes back a little. The skin around my chin/mouth is becoming active with whiteheads, which doesn't feel like a good thing, but it does mean there's some sebum production i guess.
Seeing as vitamin A effects thyroid in different ways in different theories.
Are you losing or gaining weight on this diet?
1 hour ago, Calcified said:Seeing as vitamin A effects thyroid in different ways in different theories.
Are you losing or gaining weight on this diet?
I've always been really lean, even since before accutane. Nothing has changed in regards to my weight.
After accutane I was eating and drinking around 4,000 carories a day and managed to put a bit of weight on but i don't maintain it unless im eating loads and lifting heavy. I'm back down to my natural weight. I'll stay around the same even on depleted vitamin A, mainly because i'm still learning how to get enough calories on the diet.
But yeah, nothings ever changed with my weight. I'm the same as I was pre-tane. I have always had a crazy fast metabolism.
On 2/27/2019 at 5:43 AM, guitarman01 said:Not that I disagree with all your thoughts, but that canadian that wrote that book and has that blog you mention, kind of loses me when he declares vitamin a, isnt even a vitamin, its poison.
Cool I just want to keep pushing this discussion.
Grant doesn't call vitamin A a poison, he believes that we are being poisoned by a diet that has way too much A in it. Dairy, pork, eggs, greens, fruit, veggies, fortified fats and processed foods(synthetic palmitate) and all the sunscreens and creams that people use on skin full of retinol. Plus that fact that Roundup(glyphosphate) is unavoidable now, its in the water chain, all foods, beer/alcohol, and it is very good at blocking the breakdown on A. Too much iron is a poisoning, same for A.
For the road that people have been down depleting A, never head of it, can you post the youtube link or any links. For someone who hasn't even been on accutane the time to get vit A to zero baseline is ~300-600 days, there are studies showing this, they were testing vit A zero diets, to then test repletion rates. Being on accutane probably means at least 2 year solid on a zero A diet to achieve this. So I don't believe this is common and chasing a ghost. Studies on length of time getting vit A out from a normal western diet(no Tane): [removed]
Under_tow & justdry -
by the sounds of things you both have fast metabolisms and may have need for depletion. 4000 cals after Tane and while on it would have amounted to alot of liver stores of A.
If there are conversion issues, maybe liver would be stressed, are your liver function tests ok?
24 minutes ago, Calcified said:Under_tow & justdry -
by the sounds of things you both have fast metabolisms and may have need for depletion. 4000 cals after Tane and while on it would have amounted to alot of liver stores of A.
If there are conversion issues, maybe liver would be stressed, are your liver function tests ok?
Hairtests show me in slow oxidation - slow metabolism, I have trouble burning fat and sugar.
This is what I was referring to @under_tow.
Top 8 Tips For Reversing Accutane Side Effects
Copy and paste that Im not trying to link the whole video.
As far as fortify some foods with vitamin a, they actually thought we were not getting enough vitamin a in our diet. id also say anything from leafy greens or fruits is handled differently as beta carotene.
Also where did this guy's interest in vitamin A come from? did he take Accutane?
9 hours ago, under_tow said:Hairtests show me in slow oxidation - slow metabolism, I have trouble burning fat and sugar.
My mistake, I thought you were naturally lean. I do find it harder to gain weight on palmitate. It's been hot here but I do wonder if it raises body temperature.
11 hours ago, Calcified said:My mistake, I thought you were naturally lean. I do find it harder to gain weight on palmitate. It's been hot here but I do wonder if it raises body temperature.
I am quite lean, but its usually fast oxidizers that are extremely lean.
Palmitate is lab synthetic vitamin A. Vitamin A is fat soluble, palmitate is water soluble, but with a fatty palmitic acid attachment, so it allows palmitate to bypass all the retinol pathway safety features. It allows cells that normally wouldn't uptake, suck it right in. Its the worst vitamin A in my opinion, and its added to pretty much all dairy and fortified foods. Its a recipe for long term disaster. I know you say its helping you, but I would really rec getting off it, its a bandaid, I don't think its the cure.
On 2/28/2019 at 6:53 AM, guitarman01 said:This is what I was referring to @under_tow.
Top 8 Tips For Reversing Accutane Side Effects
Copy and paste that Im not trying to link the whole video.
As far as fortify some foods with vitamin a, they actually thought we were not getting enough vitamin a in our diet. id also say anything from leafy greens or fruits is handled differently as beta carotene.
Also where did this guy's interest in vitamin A come from? did he take Accutane?
Thanks, yes seen that video, and some good stuff for sure, with regards to bile(lack of NADPH), vit C is good, because we know retinoic acid affects cartilage. But only suggests reducing skin care and intake of retinol, not total depletion. Depletion is the key.
Grant was diagnosed with eczema and kidney disease, he starting researching eczema, as he was told like all of us, its autoimmune, there is no cure, and the only thing you can do is block your immune response. He was then diagnosed with stage 4 kidney disease(protein in the urine), given like a ~1yr to live. This was all caused by regular dietary vitamin A intake, you don't even need accutane to get messed up. Researched, went on zero vitamin A diet, reversed all symptoms.
Quick read, story is here : [removed]
More stuff on roundup. The core protein in roundup is glycine(hence glyphosphate), and it mimics glycine well. Guess what glycine is core part of, yep retinol binding protein. This makes it harder to get vitamin A out, because our RBP is being mangled. Roundup is in everything you eat, drink, and touch these days, it is absolutely UNavoidable.
There is a hypothesis from Stephanie Seneff that Roundup is being substituted for glycine in protein synthesis, this bad for vitamin A overload, and a disaster for accutane users "glyphosate being inserted into the retinoid binding-proteins as theyre being made and subsequently messing up their ability to bind retinoids, by altering the structural geometry (folds), and thus the functions of those proteins."
58 minutes ago, under_tow said:I am quite lean, but its usually fast oxidizers that are extremely lean.
Palmitate is lab synthetic vitamin A. Vitamin A is fat soluble, palmitate is water soluble, but with a fatty palmitic acid attachment, so it allows palmitate to bypass all the retinol pathway safety features. It allows cells that normally wouldn't uptake, suck it right in. Its the worst vitamin A in my opinion, and its added to pretty much all dairy and fortified foods. Its a recipe for long term disaster. I know you say its helping you, but I would really rec getting off it, its a bandaid, I don't think its the cure.
I don't think its a cure, just making sure I'm not deficient. I tried eating liver but it taste pretty horrible. I might try cod liver oil.
2 hours ago, Calcified said:I don't think its a cure, just making sure I'm not deficient. I tried eating liver but it taste pretty horrible. I might try cod liver oil.
No one is deficient eating western diet, vit A is practically impossible to avoid. I would not use CLO or any vitamin A supplement.
Can you remember roughly which ones. I wonder how to create a backup of this thread? I could imagine one day it wont be here suddenly
I told about cod liver oil. I said that it increased my colesterol and my mood. I sugested the reason was that cod liver oil is made of vit a and vit d. I atribuyed vit a to the rise of my colesterol and vit d to the rise of my good mood. I also recomended a med called Cysteel which is only vit d mixed with lactobacilus and something else.
I also sugested that some people here could be paid for roche to misslead people...
Anyway I'm just moving to the vit Ablog
I have researched and tried so many things and only one thing Ive come across has helped reverse effects. What Ive noticed from what i found is this-i get darker hair growing back, less fogginess in the head, better oil production for skin and hair, anxiety minimized and even gone. The one thing I believe has caused this is tanning. Inthe sun seems best but in a level 3 tanning bed also works. it Takes a week or 2 before I notice the reversal taking effect. If I stop tanning for about that time or more I also notice the issues coming back again until I get back to tanning regularly. I try to tan almost every day at first until I notice things getting better then cut down to just a few times a week. Im positive its this. Its the only thing that changes each time it goes one way or the other with the issues. I assume the vitamin d created in the skin from the UV rays iswhat is helping. I hope this helps someone. If so please email me at [removed]
thanks for reading
On 3/2/2019 at 12:55 PM, Jmil3655 said:I have researched and tried so many things and only one thing Ive come across has helped reverse effects. What Ive noticed from what i found is this-i get darker hair growing back, less fogginess in the head, better oil production for skin and hair, anxiety minimized and even gone. The one thing I believe has caused this is tanning. Inthe sun seems best but in a level 3 tanning bed also works. it Takes a week or 2 before I notice the reversal taking effect. If I stop tanning for about that time or more I also notice the issues coming back again until I get back to tanning regularly. I try to tan almost every day at first until I notice things getting better then cut down to just a few times a week. Im positive its this. Its the only thing that changes each time it goes one way or the other with the issues. I assume the vitamin d created in the skin from the UV rays iswhat is helping. I hope this helps someone. If so please email me at [removed]
thanks for reading
Full body sun exposure actively breakdowns vitamin A to then transport for excretion.
On 3/1/2018 at 8:28 PM, IhateAccutane said:4 years passed since my last pill. I took 40mg/day for two months in 2014 Jan/Feb.
Stopped after I realised that I could not achieve an erection.
Other symptoms started after I stopped Accutane.
This is the list of my problems since:
-ED: Still no connection between penis and brain.
I can not move it in flaccid, it is just attached to my body.
I do have morning woods, sometimes hard rock, sometimes weak.
The top of my penis is not full, the blood can not circulate till top when erected also in flaccid state.
There is a small dent in penis muscle at the bottom (between testicles and penis area) in flaccid, dissappears when erected.
I dont have prostate tingle feeling.
I dont have libido.
The flaccid state get worse after urinate or shit, used to be the opposite.
There are some times where I get horny or flaccid state gets bigger but does not last long,
The changes are so rapid, overall ED status changes in hours.
Update: I lost the pleasure of ejaculation. It is dull.
- Tinnitus: still there, biggest concern after ED.
- Vision problems: floaters are gone by 99%. But I am still night blinded and have some visual snow and double vision.
- Tremors: Gone
- Weak urine: still there sometimes. Definitely the prostate is involved in all this.
- Hair: I lost lots of hair. But the thickness improved somehow after 4 years. I can say I dont have menopause hair anymore.
- Dry eyes, nose, mouth: I never had these.
- Panic attacks, anxiety, suicidal state: Gone
- Energy: Better, just as pre accutane.
- Flexibility: Improved, %80
I tried estrogen blockers but they gave me gyno. I tried testogel but it gave me anxiety.
I have a twin brother and my body looks older than him. This medicine aged me fast forward for 25 years I think.
I feel lucky that mentaly I am ok and have no gastro issues. I eat what I want.
I cut sugar for 6 months but it helped nothing.
5 years passed since my last pill.
I took 40mg/day for two months in 2014 Jan/Feb.
Stopped after I realised that I could not achieve erection.
Other symptoms started after I stopped Accutane.
This is the list of my problems ever since:
- ED: Still no connection between penis and brain.
- Shrunken genitals
- No Libido
- Dead flaccid
- No pleasure during ejaculation.
- Tinnitus: still there, biggest concern after ED.
- Vision problems: Floaters are gone by 99%. But I am still night blinded and have some visual snow and double vision.
- Tremors: Gone
- Weak urine: Still there
- Hair condition: I dont have menopause hair anymore.
- Dry eyes, nose, mouth: I never had these.
- Panic attacks, anxiety, suicidal state: Gone
- Energy: Better, just as pre accutane.
- Flexibility: Improved, %80