On 8/7/2012 at 2:11 AM, Teh Pwn said:

On 8/7/2012 at 1:11 AM, TheGateKeeper said:

Has anyone faced constant lethargy after taking accutane? Or memory problems?

Does anyone know if these will go away? I just feel so bad everyday I just want to die.

Yes. Lethargy and memory problems are common with accutane. During my senior year in high school I slept in almost all my classes and my memory will wishy washy.

Just stay positive my man. Eat healthy and do some exercise everyday and these problems will go away.

Don't stress about how long it will take, because great things take time. Rome wasn't built in a day!!

Turn a negative into a positive.

Here is a little quote I love, from a drum and bass tune. It is awesome.

"We may encounter many defeats, but we must not be defeated. That in fact, it may necessary to encounter to defeats. So we can know who the hell we are, what can we overcome, what makes us stumble and fall, and some how miraculously rise, and go on."

[Edited video out]

So you had the same problems as I did? Did they go away? How long did they last after accutane?

I am not a negative person but all you find on the internet is how Accutane is evil and ruins you forever. Kinda makes me feel negative just reading that.

I did.

They do go away. If you live a healthy lifestyle, things naturally get better. Don't focus on the time because it is highly subjective.

You have to work to become what you want. If you want to be a healthy person, do what it takes. You can become very strong if you work at it. I worked my butt off the last 3 years to get where I am today.

So get pumped and make the changes you want! [Edited image out]

Okay, a post on supplements and other stuff.

In my opinion, those of you focusing on supplements to fix your problems are wasting your time and money.

I believe these supplements are not going to give you the results you want. When I think of someone where a supplement would be useful, I think of athletes, body builders, etc. They use these supplements to push the limits of the human body and see how strong one can become. These people are healthy when they start supplementing.

There is no point in supplementing your body if you don't have a strong foundation of health in the first place. To earn a foundation of health, focus should be on diet and exercise. Not supplements.

And the strongest diet you can have consists of fruits, veggies, nuts, fish, and meat. And only these. If you eat things with sugar (which is so many 'food' products, also goes by the name of corn syrup, dehydrated cane sugar), cheeses, and other shit, it is going to hamper progress and sidetrack you from health. So don't do it!!

The list above is the strongest and best nutrition you can consume. And it contains the best vitamins available. Complex vitamins.

But that is only part of the equation. So say now you are eating right. But your eyes are still dry, skin still dry, mucous production is low, joints crack, etc. Well you have to have to move your body and work those areas, making them hard, heating them up, making them wet.

I'm going to bed now, leave any questions if you have them.

On 8/7/2012 at 4:46 AM, *Connor said:

I did.

They do go away. If you live a healthy lifestyle, things naturally get better. Don't focus on the time because it is highly subjective.

You have to work to become what you want. If you want to be a healthy person, do what it takes. You can become very strong if you work at it. I worked my butt off the last 3 years to get where I am today.

So get pumped and make the changes you want! [Edited out image]

Thanks a lot man, you have given me hope. I do live a healthy life style but I also have a lot of stress and worry a lot. I will follow in your footsteps and hope for the best. I am so glad I never got any of the IBS or related diseases from accutane.

Do you have skype? I would love to talk to you about this. Message me if you have it.

On 8/7/2012 at 1:29 AM, IndigoRush said:

That's good man. I'm happy for you [Edited image out]

You deserve some positives after all your years of suffering.

Hyperthyroid, which Oli Girl has, relates to bulging eyes.

Most sufferers, including myself, have Hypothyroid (meaning underactive).

But I'll add my kelp back in and see if it helps at all.

I guess that'd be a good enough source of iodine. That's why I bought it in the first place.

I just don't think a deficiency in iodine is causing all of this.

As far as the kelp goes, I would try a liquid iodine version. I was eating kelp for a while and didn't feel much effect. As to the hypo/hyper debate, actually for some reason taking iodine helps those with either condition in most cases. In fact, I have had symptoms of both which would be consistent with the idea that Accutane throws the whole system of hormones out of wack. I was definitely more on the hypo end if anything, and I didn't mean bulging like you see in photos of hyper-patients...more like everyone who takes Accutane has this wierd anxious intesity in their eyes. If you compare before/after photos you'll see what I mean. My eyes always looked like that. Now my eyes are much more normal looking and I FEEL calmer and more focussed. I was napping at least 2 hours a day in addition to a full night's sleep and still felt exausted at all times. Now I sleep 6 or seven hours a night and maybe take a half hour nap and I feel wonderful all day generally. The puffiness associated with hypo is definitely something I had which immediately clears up when I take iodine. The burst of energy is the best part though. I only take the recommended dose on the bottle. I am not going overboard, just the daily rec. amount seems to be enough. As to your concerns about being Hashimotos immune or something because Accutane messes with our immune function, I wouldn't worry. But if you want to play it safe, that's your perogative. I'm not bullshitting you, this stuff is working for me. My digestion has improved greatly as well which is big 4 me. If the small amount I am taking is doing damage to my thyroid while drastically improving my symptoms at the same time, then fuck it. I feel so much better, it is worth it!

[Edited link out]

Reading this book. It's good and costs close to nothing. I'm going to really put it's ideas into practice, because I believe in it.

Although I had a crap day at work, I'm feeling fairly good.

Watching the Olympics makes me realise how amazing we, humans, are... or how amazing we can be if we put our minds to something.

I know all of this has been really hard.

Probably one of the biggest tests possible for growing teenagers, but in a way I'm grateful.

Sure, I'd do nearly anything to rid myself of these health problems, but I feel lucky to have learned so much.

About the mind, health and a bunch of stuff.

I feel so wise.

And I do believe I will make it to the other side.

Maybe not yet, or for a while, but I don't see the rest of my life being this way.

It's just my current reality.

Connor - I'm really proud of you, and thank you for coming back to give us the good news.

I'm still split on the supplement thing.

I agree, it is common opinion that athletes take supplements.

I'm unsure about whether our diets provide all the nutrition we need...

In health books I've read before, it says that our soils are depleted so now everyone should be taking supplements.

I think that could be a bunch of bollocks, because many of those authors sell their own supplements.

And I still don't know how supplements are made.

Generally, I do believe that diet should be the main source of nutrients.

I totally believe that there needs to be a holistic approach.

I agree that exercise is important, as well as being outside, resting and eating mainly from nature.

I think it's proven useless in the past - Taking liver supplements/herbs and the rest of it.

Still, there are the odd rumours and hints - towards Hyaluronic Acid for example - and it makes me think that if Accutane did deplete these, we do need to supplement.

But it's got/getting to the point where I will completely stop wasting money.

Because nothing has worked so far.

I have some hope for the following:

Baxyl - The Hyaluronic Acid Liquid supplement. A guy suffering for 18 years messaged me. He discovered this two years ago and says it's helped massively. Dry eyes/joints/skin are no longer a problem. He still takes the supplement.

Baking Soda - Yeah, just the regular stuff (a.k.a. Bicarbonate of Soda). I think pH balance is very important. I got this through on my last iHerb.com order. (So cheap, haha). Someone messaged me on YouTube and said about taking half a teaspoon morning and night to balance out pH. Looked it up, and found confirmation of this, so thought why not. Only started taking today. I'm not stupid enough to believe it's enough by itself. My diet has been a bit shit lately. Crisps, chocolate etc. Mainly because I haven't got the money to buy healthy foods so just eat what my Mum's bought. Like I said though, I'll stop wasting money on supplements and instead buy the occasional fruits and veg, just for me.

Sam-e - Mentioned already. May be able to help with depression, as well as other things.

Borage Oil - Just to try really, but you never know it might be good (for flaky skin and whatever else)

Hyaluronic Acid Moisturising cream - Mentioned before. The mention of Accutane makes it seem very, very hopeful.

I suppose that's it.

But I'm trying not to get too caught up in the present.

Just because I feel like absolute shit sometimes, doesn't mean it'll be forever.

Sometimes life likes to surprise you when you think you know what's going to happen.

I spent the whole afternoon at work folding letters and packing them into envelopes..

I had a headache.

The whole time I thought 'What the fuck a life is this?' and 'This sucks'.

No positive thinking could have changed that.

Just felt utterly fed up.

I'm only human.

I think anyone would get at least a bit bored with that.

However, I only have to do this job for another month.. so who gives a fuck, right?

Office work just is not for me.

Roughly three months until the documentary.

That doesn't seem to far away now.

I can't wait to see how it goes down.

I barely remember what I said, apart from speaking about all my problems and moaning.

I'm nervous as heck about how I come across, because I don't want people to shout at me in the streets, but I really don't think it'll be a bad thing.

Sure, I'd much rather be known for something other than 'low sex drive and dry eyes' (or whatever) but hopefully it'll do us all some good.

About time, after 30 years, that this got some real attention in the media.

Indy

On 8/8/2012 at 4:41 AM, CHIRON said:

On 8/7/2012 at 1:29 AM, IndigoRush said:

That's good man. I'm happy for you [Edited image out]

You deserve some positives after all your years of suffering.

Hyperthyroid, which Oli Girl has, relates to bulging eyes.

Most sufferers, including myself, have Hypothyroid (meaning underactive).

But I'll add my kelp back in and see if it helps at all.

I guess that'd be a good enough source of iodine. That's why I bought it in the first place.

I just don't think a deficiency in iodine is causing all of this.

As far as the kelp goes, I would try a liquid iodine version. I was eating kelp for a while and didn't feel much effect. As to the hypo/hyper debate, actually for some reason taking iodine helps those with either condition in most cases. In fact, I have had symptoms of both which would be consistent with the idea that Accutane throws the whole system of hormones out of wack. I was definitely more on the hypo end if anything, and I didn't mean bulging like you see in photos of hyper-patients...more like everyone who takes Accutane has this wierd anxious intesity in their eyes. If you compare before/after photos you'll see what I mean. My eyes always looked like that. Now my eyes are much more normal looking and I FEEL calmer and more focussed. I was napping at least 2 hours a day in addition to a full night's sleep and still felt exausted at all times. Now I sleep 6 or seven hours a night and maybe take a half hour nap and I feel wonderful all day generally. The puffiness associated with hypo is definitely something I had which immediately clears up when I take iodine. The burst of energy is the best part though. I only take the recommended dose on the bottle. I am not going overboard, just the daily rec. amount seems to be enough. As to your concerns about being Hashimotos immune or something because Accutane messes with our immune function, I wouldn't worry. But if you want to play it safe, that's your perogative. I'm not bullshitting you, this stuff is working for me. My digestion has improved greatly as well which is big 4 me. If the small amount I am taking is doing damage to my thyroid while drastically improving my symptoms at the same time, then fuck it. I feel so much better, it is worth it!

That's great to hear

What brand can you recommend?

I definitely can agree that I have the intense eye issue thing.

My eyes rarely feel focused.

I'm surprised that Iodine in helping that.

I just thought it was related to dry eyes.

Here's the baking soda I'm using by the way:

[Edited link out]

Maybe this is standard price in the States, but it's hard to get this cheap in the UK.

Things have to get better, you guys

Thank 4 the link, actually I use baking soda 4 everything from toothpaste to deodorant to an antacid along w/ apple cider vinegar. Didn't know bobs redmill made it too. As far as the iodine, I am using "world organic liqui-kelp". But Lugol's has been around 4 ever and is trusted. A side note about dosage. I am taking 150 micrograms and doctors allow up to 1 milligram so it's a low dose that is helping! Safe.

TheGateKeeper - You are welcome. My skype is connor.mcelvain

Indigo - Thanks for the kind words. It is obvious to me from your post you have made great progress! That is wonderful. Your mindset appears much more positive.

I believe you should not eat any 'crisps and chocolates', or anything junk like that. It is very bad for you, which I'm sure you know. I had/have to consistently remind my family of the importance of the food we buy and eat. Now me and me dad buy 95% fresh produce, the other 5% being a bag of chips and sugary cereal (my dad eats it, not me).

Other than that all looks well.

You are making a documentary?

My hair mineral analysis came back yesterday. Ive got Arsenic poisoning aswell.. That is not one of the ingredients of accutane right? i see it beieng mentioned about other chemo drugs when i google it. The arsenic level will be double checked for free by pubic hair for a more exact analysis.

Other things of the chart was Iron, and i was glad to see this because it increases the thrust i have in the analysis. I supplemented a lot of iron for a while after finding out i had been bleeding a bit internally, without checking my levels first, so iron was high even if this was a while ago.

Low magnesium, low sodium, low potassium,my potassium is too high compared to sodium and calcium too high compared to magnesium. And some other things that did not look so majorly wrong.

selenium/mercury level was also too low, i did not have that much mercury, but too much for my selenium level.

The test also says im almost burned out.Tendencies of fast metabolism but reduced thyroid activity and reduced adrenal activity. Ill be damned, i wanted to rule this out.

Also says that based on the mineral status i also probably lack vitamin b6. Especially the high calsium to low magnesium ratio points to low b6.

Oh, and also something about my insulin because of those glands. The "natural doc" recommended low-carb diet.

On 8/3/2012 at 2:48 PM, IndigoRush said:

Think this is the first time I've seen that guy.

What a legend.

I wondered why you were linking at first - Was it just to help us who still get acne? - But yeah, he mentions Accutane.

A lot of people here have tried very clean diets for a long time.

I think stress is still a big factor that stands in our way.

Plus, it's hard to say how long it'd take to get Accutane out of our body (if that's possible), especially as some people (like yourself) only took it for a very short time, and still have side effects 6 years later.

I've had the side effects for 6 and a half years too.

I used to get headaches a lot, but not so much now.

Yeah this guy is amazing. The main thing he really tries to drum into his viewers heads is that Fruit and Vegatables are the Earth's true medicine. Eating dead foods create dead emotions, dead thoughs and dead feeling, where as living foods like apples, oranges, watermelon, celery, herbs and every other fruit and veg you can imagine will make us feel alive.

I know we've all heard it before, but the truth is that we are what we put into out bodies. That is the main reason we're all here anyway, right?...becasue we put something harmful into our bodies. The fact is that the power of the mind, body and soul isn't understood by us these days. Our body is able to regenerate itself and heal itself from poisonous shit like Roaccutane. I'm starting to feel alot better in general health and emotionally since practicing what this guy promotes.

I really think the only option for us all is too completely cleanse and rinse our bodies to get rid of any chance of this drug being in us. Remember that we all have excess fat and acidic wastes stored in our bodies from childhood from eating animal flesh and junk food, whether you're skinny or overweight. Accutane may be stored anywhere. Remember that once there has been damage done to the body, it CAN heal itself. It's up to our mind to let it happen. Juicing and fasting may be the answer for us.

This guy might not be for everyone, but I think we could all take a page from his book and use his inspiration to better our lives for sure. Here's another vid, check out his channel and find clips that may help you, he's got fuckin heaps

[Edited link out]

I absolutely love this guy.

He's great.

Pity I can't watch the whole video.

Need to leave for work in 15 minutes.

I so want a job where I can be outside in Nature, but I'm not sure how that'd happen.

I'm motivated to start cutting out the junk food again.

On 8/8/2012 at 4:41 AM, CHIRON said:

On 8/7/2012 at 1:29 AM, IndigoRush said:

That's good man. I'm happy for you [Edited image out]

You deserve some positives after all your years of suffering.

Hyperthyroid, which Oli Girl has, relates to bulging eyes.

Most sufferers, including myself, have Hypothyroid (meaning underactive).

But I'll add my kelp back in and see if it helps at all.

I guess that'd be a good enough source of iodine. That's why I bought it in the first place.

I just don't think a deficiency in iodine is causing all of this.

As far as the kelp goes, I would try a liquid iodine version. I was eating kelp for a while and didn't feel much effect. As to the hypo/hyper debate, actually for some reason taking iodine helps those with either condition in most cases. In fact, I have had symptoms of both which would be consistent with the idea that Accutane throws the whole system of hormones out of wack. I was definitely more on the hypo end if anything, and I didn't mean bulging like you see in photos of hyper-patients...more like everyone who takes Accutane has this wierd anxious intesity in their eyes. If you compare before/after photos you'll see what I mean. My eyes always looked like that. Now my eyes are much more normal looking and I FEEL calmer and more focussed. I was napping at least 2 hours a day in addition to a full night's sleep and still felt exausted at all times. Now I sleep 6 or seven hours a night and maybe take a half hour nap and I feel wonderful all day generally. The puffiness associated with hypo is definitely something I had which immediately clears up when I take iodine. The burst of energy is the best part though. I only take the recommended dose on the bottle. I am not going overboard, just the daily rec. amount seems to be enough. As to your concerns about being Hashimotos immune or something because Accutane messes with our immune function, I wouldn't worry. But if you want to play it safe, that's your perogative. I'm not bullshitting you, this stuff is working for me. My digestion has improved greatly as well which is big 4 me. If the small amount I am taking is doing damage to my thyroid while drastically improving my symptoms at the same time, then fuck it. I feel so much better, it is worth it!

You said you had symptoms of both hyper/hypo????? People with Hasimoto's (autoimmune hypothyroid) go through bouts of hyper and hypo till the thyroid is destroyed...

On 8/10/2012 at 10:57 AM, oli girl said:

On 8/8/2012 at 2:41 AM, CHIRON said:

On 8/6/2012 at 11:29 PM, IndigoRush said:

That's good man. I'm happy for you [Edited image out]

You deserve some positives after all your years of suffering.

Hyperthyroid, which Oli Girl has, relates to bulging eyes.

Most sufferers, including myself, have Hypothyroid (meaning underactive).

But I'll add my kelp back in and see if it helps at all.

I guess that'd be a good enough source of iodine. That's why I bought it in the first place.

I just don't think a deficiency in iodine is causing all of this.

As far as the kelp goes, I would try a liquid iodine version. I was eating kelp for a while and didn't feel much effect. As to the hypo/hyper debate, actually for some reason taking iodine helps those with either condition in most cases. In fact, I have had symptoms of both which would be consistent with the idea that Accutane throws the whole system of hormones out of wack. I was definitely more on the hypo end if anything, and I didn't mean bulging like you see in photos of hyper-patients...more like everyone who takes Accutane has this wierd anxious intesity in their eyes. If you compare before/after photos you'll see what I mean. My eyes always looked like that. Now my eyes are much more normal looking and I FEEL calmer and more focussed. I was napping at least 2 hours a day in addition to a full night's sleep and still felt exausted at all times. Now I sleep 6 or seven hours a night and maybe take a half hour nap and I feel wonderful all day generally. The puffiness associated with hypo is definitely something I had which immediately clears up when I take iodine. The burst of energy is the best part though. I only take the recommended dose on the bottle. I am not going overboard, just the daily rec. amount seems to be enough. As to your concerns about being Hashimotos immune or something because Accutane messes with our immune function, I wouldn't worry. But if you want to play it safe, that's your perogative. I'm not bullshitting you, this stuff is working for me. My digestion has improved greatly as well which is big 4 me. If the small amount I am taking is doing damage to my thyroid while drastically improving my symptoms at the same time, then fuck it. I feel so much better, it is worth it!

You said you had symptoms of both hyper/hypo????? People with Hasimoto's (autoimmune hypothyroid) go through bouts of hyper and hypo till the thyroid is destroyed...

It could be. All of this conflicting and vague medical information is overwhelming sometimes. The fact though is that I have tried a lot of things from gluten/sugar/dairy-free diet to various vitamins, aminos, hyaloronic acid, etc. which all have helped to varying degrees. And of everything I have tried, iodine has cleared up the most symptoms (including the gastro stuff like gas/bloating), most effectively so as far as I am concerned, there is something here that warrants further research. Even in Hashimotos, some doctors/research indicates that adding selenium to the iodine supplementation eliminates any ill-effects for Hashimotos sufferers who supplement with iodine alone. For example, read this: [Edited link out] or this : http://chriskresser....oline-on-a-fire . Again, as a disclaimer which should be obvious to all please consult a practitioner, but I must again reiterate that I feel pretty freakin' great!

WHOOO guys what's up.

I gotta tell you, UDCA is the most amazing stuff ever!

That iodine sounds cool too, I will try it.

But man... UDCA is like life in a pill for me. I just take a gram and bam... energy levels start rising within hours. It's nuts. It kills gut inflammation, fixes the liver. It's like the magic bullet that's not supposed to exist. Forget anything I ever said and just take a gram of UDCA. If I keep talking about it I'm going to start comparing it to crack and speed and other drugs I've never tried. Which would be ridiculous.

It's the most safe thing ever, there's no known toxic dose. You can ramp it up 2-3x the dose I mentioned, studies full of people have done it. That's the therapeutic, not the prophylactic dose. If you can't get UDCA, try TUDCA, same stuff. Although it's tough to find online cuz it's getting locked up by Big Pharma. I'm in China so I can get UDCA dirt cheap from the pharmacy without a prescription... heheh.

Check out pubmed, it's crazy how many different things it's useful for. Every single person should be taking UDCA with Accutane, it's nuts not to. All the bodybuilders take it when they're doing their liver-dangerous stacks. If I keep talking about that I'm going to start cursing about medical incompetence.

WHOOOO take UDCA.

Hmmm tell you what if you can't get any I will ship it to you from China for cost plus shipping. Although I just found a site that sells it, which I can't vouch for: [Edited link out]

In China it's $2 for 30 pills, or 1.5 grams, lol. No idea how that stacks up with the above link, since the quantity isn't listed.

I had a shite day, but things are looking positive on here.

Now there are four things that I really hope can work for me:

1 - SAM-e

2 - BAXYL (Hyaluronic acid)

3 - Liquid Kelp/Iodine

4 - UDCA

UDCA will prove the hardest to obtain.

I wouldn't mind taking you up on your offer to ship me some UDCA from China, Joe, if you can give me the price of shipping.

How would I pay you - Paypal?

That stuff is expensive as hell on eBay

Joe... I remember you said you used TUDCA (liver longer) before.

Did that not have a brilliant effect?

Do you guys ever worry when you hear people getting Acne years after Accutane?

Like 10 years later, some people mention it comes back worse than ever.

Let's hope that never happens!!!

Connor - I forgot to reply when I saw your comment earlier this week.

I am not making a documentary. I don't have the contacts or the money to do so.

But there will be a documentary in a 3 months.

I forget where you're from - I think America or Canada (?) but it'll be in the UK, in November.

I don't have further info than that at the mo.

It'll be shown on BBC3 (though it could potentially move to BBC1) and the suspected name for it will be 'Dying for Clear Skin'.

I'm in the documentary and suspect I'll get about 5 minutes of footage, in which I talk about my side effects.

The documentary will be an hour long and will show various views on the drug, including reported suicides (including the director's - who I met, and who filmed me 0-Son) and positive experiences.

A while back I met a guy called Will.

He's just turned 15 recently.

He watched my original Accutane video and messaged me.

I ended up telling him about my side effects and luckily he decided to believe me and didn't take the drug.

Shortly after I talked to him, I was contacted by the TV company who are working with the BBC.

They asked me if I knew anyone with Acne who would want to be on the show.

Will lives in Yorkshire in the UK. I live in Norwich. Most of you American's won't have heard of those places, but they're several hours apart.

I've never met Will.

However, they contacted him and he's in the show.

They've given him an alternative treatment to Accutane and I see (from his Facebook pictures) that his skin looks much better.

That makes me so happy.

Would kinda make the show crappy if the treatment didn't work!

But yeah, there are lots of aspects to it.

I know pretty much as little as you, so I can't wait to see it.

I know the time will pass quickly.

I'm fearful about it too.

People in the streets will recognise me.

Some might laugh about my problems, or call me a hypochondriac.

But I'm more excited than scared.

Finally, some fucking exposure about this drug.

Maybe things are clicking into place.

I don't know about the law of attraction, but about a year before I was contacted about the show, I kept visualising myself on TV talking about Accutane.

I just hope it gets viewed by as many people as possible.

Derek, who is the director, is like the nicest guy.

Knowing he lost his Son, who he loved, because of this drug makes me want to do more than I'm doing to protect other people.

I was contacted in February, I believe, and for a long time I was told the BBC might not approve it.

Thank GOD they did.

Most would back down from talking about bad drug companies.

Let's get some fucking justice.

The UCDA stuff seems to be great, in Germany it is a prescription drug. It is basically liverflush in a bottle, but the product I want to point out to yall below is quite effective as well, although my expectations are that UCDA is probably a more powerful product, the product below is basically a liver and gallbladder flush in a bottle as well...

I have bought and tried several supps recently I am not fully through testing them all, but one that stood out so far is artichoke extract. It improved my digestion, energy, vision and skin, still I had those floaters, they did not go away. You take 3 capsules 3 times a day, thats what I did I know the packaging says different, but I assumed I need more of a medicinal dose. After having gone through natures way product within a few days I am using now the following:

[Edited link out]

I combine artichoke with milk thistle.

Another product I tried is peppermint oil. It seems to strongly stimulate the inner juices and is supposed to help with IBS and indeed it did. I took capsules from natural factors which also included oregano oil, but I am goign to try now foods next because they are cheaper. Peppermint oil will stimulate the gall bladder as well...

There are a lot of really great things you can try, unfortunately I can tolerate almost nothing without the help of UDCA.

I'm slowing down to a crawl now, didn't buy enough the first time. It's a 3-4 day wait until more arrived. Got about 24 hours to go. I really hate this part.

Indigo yeah I had great effects from TUDCA as well, but I then tried to add in new foods which wasn't possible ultimately. I will probably need doctor assistance to become truly normal. Also I think the UDCA is a lot more powerful. Bodybuilders take UDCA differently than TUDCA because of this.

1.5 grams is $2, one gram per day, how many days of it do you want? I'll look into shipping but prepare for something between $50 and $100. Anyway I have no energy to pursue this now. I'm hungry but too tired to cook.

You guys have to try heal yourself that is your liver and gallbladder primarily which again are directly connected to your lymphatic system, etc. How can you let your system heal by using this wonderful new drug which apparently is a very natural supplement from my point of view and then try to eat all kinds of shit that would do quite the opposite of what you are trying to achieve in the first place?

Give your body some time to find its new equilibrium.

Are you talking about me?

I'll probably have to leave the UDCA for now.

Money wise, it's an issue.

Plus, if I started working and I relied on it, and then couldn't get it - ouch!

I've tried taking Milk Thistle and stuff for a long time in the past.

If our liver's are an issue, I don't get why they're not better.

They're meant to be amazing at recovering.

Alcoholics take some milk thistle and they get better.

And yet NOTHING.

But one of the reviews on artichoke says about lowing bilirubin levels.

Myself and others have had this in the 'high' zone before, so I do believe the liver is part of the problem.

Just how to fix it is the question.

Some people here have been crazy sensible with diet and still haven't recovered.

What the fuck?

Indigo that documentary sounds like it will be good. Hopefully it is uploaded online so I can watch it.

Josesh I have a question. What do you eat? What have you consumed in the last 7 days?

It's really interesting what Joseph has been saying about UDCA / TUDCA, are you only noticing benefit when your taking yoghurt in conjunction with the UDCA? has your bile flow returned whilst taking it?

I believe and have for some time that accutane is a liver damaging drug as we all know. In the people that develop side effects long term it's caused the bile to stop flowing. The severity of the side effects in an individual is based on this factor as well as how much accutane they took.

The accutane cant be removed, because there's no bile flow, so it is stored in the fat cells (because it's fat soluble and cant be stored in the liver).

Then people get the seb derm, ezcema, cracking joints, joint pain, vision problems, light sensitivity (cant go out in sunlight, eyes hurt too much), skin burns easier in the sun, spontanous scarring, terrible wound healing and all the other symptoms of hypervitaminosis A.

The body is using the accutane as it's vitamin A source....it's a vicious cycle. No bile, cant absorb fat, if you cant absorb fat you cant absorb fat soluble vitamins. If you cant absorb natural retinol, you cant replace the retinoic acid (accutane) in the cell. So the body is essentially running off the accutane.

People think that toxins in the fat cells are dormant, a fat cell is still a cell. It contains vitamin A receptors and the accutane binds to those vitamin A receptors in the cell and causes all these problems. I think to start making headway on your side effects you have to A. replace the accutane and B.get the bile flow back to normal.

It's symbiotic by returning the bile flow you can absorb fat, by absorbing fat you can absorb fat soluble vitamins, by absorbing fat soluble vitamins the body can replace the accutane over a continual period of time.

Things like UDCA and TUDCA can bring your bile back, forget milk thistle it's garbage and is like going into a boxing match with both hands tied behind your back. It wont work, and is a waste of your time and money.....something like udca can help the bile flow return, but it's symbiotic with diet also.

You cant replace accutane with synthetic vitamins, it's dangerous and foolish. If your going to replace accutane with healthy vitamin A it has to be natural undenatured vitamin A from healthy animals.

Skimmed milk, sour cream, anchor butter, supermarket eggs, double cream, cadburys dairy milk.......these things will not work, going down to your local tesco and buying this kind of stuff is the absolutle wrong way to go about it. Buying eniva vibe (synthetic lab derived vitamin liquid) is an even worse way to go about it, and will not give you the results your after (learnt from experience)

Heres what you need- Raw milk, Raw butter, Raw Cream, Raw organic free range eggs, Coconut cream, Raw honey, Healthy fatty meats, Wild Fish, Shellfish, bone broths......i'm undecided about fermented cod liver oil and organ meats because i think they have well to much vitamin A, it's best to start slow and see how your body feels and take it slowly one step at a time. Saturated fats will work better than monounsaturated like avocado or soaked nuts.....although they are very healthy and fine to eat, the other fats mentioned will contain more natural fat soluble vitamins to replace the accutane.

I'm personally on this kind of diet whilst taking TUDCA at the same time, but the key is to heal the bile flow and replace the synthetic vitamin A (accutane) with natural abundent healthy vitamin A from fresh raw foods. It's also to replace the toxic fats with healthy raw fats. Basic theory is by eating these raw fats with natural fat soluble vitamins in them, they will displace the synthetic accutane in the cell, the bile is flowing so the synthetic retinoic acid will be purged in the bile, out of the body in your stools.

Maybe taking 2 or more tablespoons of psylium husk per day will help increase transit time....by increasing transit time it may be removed quicker.

Just a suggestion guys, don't shoot the messenger, this is just my thoughts out loud........if theres any part of this that may help you or make you think about things any differently, that was all that was meant. Good luck to all of you

UDCA seems to have crazy system wide anti-inflammatory and beneficial effects. So it might not just be the liver, although I think with fat malabsorbtion the liver must be involved.

I think it's nuts not to try UDCA, can't you get it from a doctor? I have been just getting tireder every day I've been off it. Finally got some today and took a gram, now I'm perking up. And I know that tomorrow I'm gonna wake up AWESOME, and never run out of the stuff again. Having a life again! Sweet!

Connor: I eat yoghurt, and/or a meal of lean chicken/pork steamed to drain fat, rice, scallops, and shrimp. The tireder I get, the less I cook for myself, and just eat yoghurt instead.

Chico, I think something in the TUDCA pills was rough on my stomach, that may not be there in these UDCA pills. It was LiverLonger brand, nad had bright red dye and some weird powder binder. Also people seem to agree that UDCA is a lot stronger. I haven't noticed any issues with taking my generic white UDCA pills.

I don't really know if my bile flow has returned or not. I know my life gets better and my stomach pain goes away. Whether I can add more food to my diet or not, that's good enough for me.

Huh, that's interesting what you're doing Chico. I don't really remember the TUDCA being as crazy powerful as the UDCA, but I was drinking sugary Yakult for the first time then. I'd encourage you to try UDCA, there are good reasons to suspect it packs way more punch. I don't see anyone who has serious liver damage taking TUDCA for example. (Am I wrong there?)

Wow, I took a gram an hour or two ago and every ten minutes I notice I have more energy. I could get used to this! Keep in mind today I was literally too tired to cook for myself and ate nothing but yoghurt all day.

My stomach will probably hurt for a day or so because I spent some time off it, and then I'll be scot free.