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On 10/14/2017 at 4:54 PM, tanedout said:Great to hear! All this just from one cycle of finasteride, how much per day for how long? There are a few other recoveries following the same Dr Pezzi method earlier on this thread when the focus was on DHT inhibitors (this thread just goes in circles)
I was reading about another PFS guy who was doing well after taking licorice root extract for a while (also a DHT inhibitor), and there is the guy who was cycling this too and improved his libido.
In the past I've tried drinking 6-8 cups of green tea per day, and this definitely helped things a bit, but it's never stuck, but maybe the answer is to keep cycling to increase baseline.
The CDNuts method actually includes some herbs which are DHT inhibitors such as He Shou Wu etc, so the benefits may come actually cycling these without realising it.
Some guy on here last year was cycling Saw Palmetto, not sure if he got any lasting benefits.
Other recoveries following the Dr Pezzi method;
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I took a half pill 10 days then 10 days a full pill and for 5 days a quarter. I wanted to take the 5 mg longer but felt extremly weird so I decided to taper of and stop it. Dr Pezzi himself only did one cycle but did it for 2 years I think
On 10/14/2017 at 9:12 PM, idontknow1993 said:On 10/14/2017 at 4:54 PM, tanedout said:Great to hear! All this just from one cycle of finasteride, how much per day for how long? There are a few other recoveries following the same Dr Pezzi method earlier on this thread when the focus was on DHT inhibitors (this thread just goes in circles)I was reading about another PFS guy who was doing well after taking licorice root extract for a while (also a DHT inhibitor), and there is the guy who was cycling this too and improved his libido.
In the past I've tried drinking 6-8 cups of green tea per day, and this definitely helped things a bit, but it's never stuck, but maybe the answer is to keep cycling to increase baseline.
The CDNuts method actually includes some herbs which are DHT inhibitors such as He Shou Wu etc, so the benefits may come actually cycling these without realising it.
Some guy on here last year was cycling Saw Palmetto, not sure if he got any lasting benefits.
Other recoveries following the Dr Pezzi method;
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I took a half pill 10 days then 10 days a full pill and for 5 days a quarter. I wanted to take the 5 mg longer but felt extremly weird so I decided to taper of and stop it. Dr Pezzi himself only did one cycle but did it for 2 years I think
Well great to hear you've had good results! Keep us posted!
On 10/8/2017 at 8:12 PM, idontknow1993 said:Hey guys,
today I stopped taking finasteride and now I want to see what happens. After 25 days I think it is better for me to stop. Some very weird things are going on and I have the same feeling I had when was on Accutane. These disgusting drugs are causing hell on earth and I hope they take them of the market soon. I have acne on my back from fin! How can this happen as I have got no changes in Libido ED problems? I will now wait and see if I get improvement. If not I will maybe do another cycle or if anyone has pther theorys that might be risky just tell me and I try. Cant get any worse at this point and I dont care
But at this point when you were actually on fin, it appeared you felt worse. So much so you didnt feel it was a good idea to continue taking it.
You had a acne flare up. Ive seen your not the only one, googling this real quick.
That happens with accutane too. There is a Initial acne flair up. acne becomes worse before it gets better.
Did you have any hormone testing before taking fin?
id just be sure your sure about things and really let us know if your not or something changes, because your going to have multiple people going off your recovery story now.
3 hours ago, draci said:4 hours ago, tanedout said:But look at the testimonials, they are fixing all their issues, not just sexual sides. It's like you fix the root cause (which is likely re-sensitising/normalising receptors which have been left out of whack) and the body then is able to restore to it's normal homeostasis, and all 'side effects' go away.Yes, some claim they have fixed all their issues, others say finasteride cured them temporarily and then they got even worse. It is very risky.
Yes its important to keep big picture in mind. For every case that did recover, who didnt recover? who was made worse?
you want to be sure your looking for these as well, just as hard as your looking for recovery cases.
I've started cycling Licorice Root Extract like this [Edited link out]guy did and I feel big improvement after just 2 cycles. So if you're considering going on Propecia or some other powerful drug try Licorice first and see if it works.
I'm dosing 1 gram of powdered Extract twice daily every Saturday and Sunday.
Thanks @tanedout for a great find.
7 hours ago, TrueJustice said:Propecia - well I guess that counts me out from trying it, I forgot that you guys experimenting do so with repairing sexual issues, I'm not in that situation though.
Im not hearing of anyone taking it to restore energy, to lose Chronic fatigue or to just reboot brain, it's always to do with sexual issues.....That's fine, I sincerely wish everyone the best with it.
The rest of us without sexual issues will have to look at something else I gather?
Or just get on the avocados
You have no erectile dysfunction problems at all?
6 hours ago, tanedout said:But look at the testimonials, they are fixing all their issues, not just sexual sides. It's like you fix the root cause (which is likely re-sensitising/normalising receptors which have been left out of whack) and the body then is able to restore to it's normal homeostasis, and all 'side effects' go away.
I would prefer avocados vs some crazy chemical drug .
2 hours ago, Gladiatoro said:8 hours ago, tanedout said:But look at the testimonials, they are fixing all their issues, not just sexual sides. It's like you fix the root cause (which is likely re-sensitising/normalising receptors which have been left out of whack) and the body then is able to restore to it's normal homeostasis, and all 'side effects' go away.I would prefer avocados vs some crazy chemical drug .
But unfortunately avocados are unlikely to have any meaningful effect. I eat these every day because I like them and it's a healthy fat, I can't say they've had any positive benefit with regards my sides. If something so simple, and so commonly eaten could cure this condition I think we'd know about it.
But there has been people claiming to have cured themselves largely threw diet. Anony and Connor McElvain were people who did that in this thread alone. And beta-sitosterol does have some significant 5ar inhibition effects, enough to warrant success in treatment of bph like the drug finasteride (1) (2). It is even comparable to the 5ar inhibitory effects of finasteride at the proper dosage as this study involving weighing hamster prostates before and after treatment shows (3). Maybe dosage is the problem? A lot of foods contain b-sitosterol, I've read the average American consumes about 135mg a day. Treatment for BPH with b-sitosterol I have also read is a supplemental doasage of 150mg 2 times a day, roughly 2 avocados a day, which is why I have been eating 2 a day (0). I also have coincidently been consuming cbd oil as a sleep aid, which I beleive also has high amounts of b-sitosterol. This [Edited link out]pdf states the phytosterol content of hemp seed oil (which I know is slightly different than cbd oil) to be about 100g a liter, with b-sitosterol being the predominant phytosterol, so another route to test this theory could be consuming a couple tablespoons of hemps seed oil a day. The stuff is pretty abundant on amazon.
I'll continue to put this to the test, I feel better everyday and I don't know what else to attribute this to.
On 10/14/2017 at 3:20 PM, idontknow1993 said:Hey guys, time for an update.
I'm still feeling very good and healthy. I can't say if the effect is permanent but I know at this moment right now that for me all my symptoms are gone. I don't have depression,pain in my stomach or at my back and sex feels great. I think its even more intensive than ever before. So as side effect from propecia I know got acne at my back and I hope it stays forever haha;). Seriosly, its 100% clear for me that all my sides were related to hormonal dysbalance. I was in the gym yesterday for the first time in 2 years and after it I felt like my workout wasn't hard enough. Can't believe it
Holy shoot I did not know someone was currently trying finasteride. Well congratulations! I would love to hear more as time goes on, hopefully it is permanent
6 hours ago, Colinboko said:13 hours ago, TrueJustice said:Propecia - well I guess that counts me out from trying it, I forgot that you guys experimenting do so with repairing sexual issues, I'm not in that situation though.
Im not hearing of anyone taking it to restore energy, to lose Chronic fatigue or to just reboot brain, it's always to do with sexual issues.....That's fine, I sincerely wish everyone the best with it.
The rest of us without sexual issues will have to look at something else I gather?
Or just get on the avocados
You have no erectile dysfunction problems at all?
No no issues, the only thing I suffer from sexually is the fatigue- my body is exhausted.
plus my brain fog is chronic - I don't know what worse, having these issues or having impotence.
Like I say my brain fog seems to be getting worse these last few years, I feel so distant when talking to people!!
35 minutes ago, TrueJustice said:No no issues, the only thing I suffer from sexually is the fatigue- my body is exhausted.plus my brain fog is chronic - I don't know what worse, having these issues or having impotence.
Like I say my brain fog seems to be getting worse these last few years, I feel so distant when talking to people!!
Thats a typical chemotherapy side effect. Roche denies these effects on the brain but like I have often said mris Dont lie derms do. We have roughly 20% brain damage.
42 minutes ago, Togg said:But there has been people claiming to have cured themselves largely threw diet. Anony and Connor McElvain were people who did that in this thread alone. And beta-sitosterol does have some significant 5ar inhibition effects
There arebeta-sitosterol supplements aswell. Would be cheaper than avocados and easier to play around with the dosage.
3 hours ago, draci said:There are beta-sitosterol supplements aswell. Would be cheaper than avocados and easier to play around with the dosage.
2 hours ago, Gladiatoro said:3 hours ago, draci said:There are beta-sitosterol supplements aswell. Would be cheaper than avocados and easier to play around with the dosage.Moducare is one of them sold at health food stores
1 hour ago, TrueJustice said:Good find!!supplement number 3001 here we come
Although I haven't mentioned it, the reason I didn't just go and get a supplement is because I have become skeptical of the contents of these supplements. For example, in this study looking to explore the fatty acid and phytosterol content of different companies saw palmetto extracts to try and form a conjecture about its method of action, it was found that these extracts do not generally have high amounts of phytosterols. Except for two brands that had up to 30 times the b-sitosterol content of the other brands. What I am assuming is that those companies added b-sitosterol to these bph medications without labeling it. Otherwise, I don't know why a study exploring what makes up saw pallmetto would have tested these extracts with added phytosterols. That or maybe it was just ac coincidence.
What I am worried about is the opposite happening, getting a b-sitosterol supplement that, unknown to me, has saw pallmetto extract in it. As I understand this combination can be a terrific thing for bph. But I really don't want to touch saw p.
I don't know if I am aloud to post links to products here, but there are many hemps seed products on amazon that would be cheaper and easier than eating avocados.
So.. edit: checked out that moducare brand, and it seems like a supplement not marketed for bph or hair loss where saw p may come into play. I also may be being overly skeptical. I am very skeptical now a day.
On 10/14/2017 at 11:07 PM, TPaks said:I've started cycling Licorice Root Extract like this [Edited link out]guy did and I feel big improvement after just 2 cycles. So if you're considering going on Propecia or some other powerful drug try Licorice first and see if it works.
I'm dosing 1 gram of powdered Extract twice daily every Saturday and Sunday.
Thanks @tanedout for a great find.
I looked through this thread a little bit. it sounds like licorice root suppresses 5br but increases 5ar.
Also I wouldn't be so sure to say that licorice root is a 5AR inhibitor. For instance this study indicates that the active compound in licorice root, glycyrrhetinic acid, increases 5ar:
On the contrary, 5 alpha-reductase was markedly increased though its meachnism remains to be clarified.
This study was from the late 70s though.
Regardless. it looks like positive effects come after stopping the 5ar inhibitor. Hence cycling.
There is maybe a rebound effect from this hormone suppression.
Taking a 5AR inhibitor may have positive effects in the beginning. It is not good -in my opinion- for the long run for us.
1 hour ago, mariovitali said:@guitarman01Taking a 5AR inhibitor may have positive effects in the beginning. It is not good -in my opinion- for the long run for us.
Keen to know if you still think it's absolutely the liver that's the biggest issue at play? Do you think it's more to do with Pituitary or hypothalamus??
Thats not to say the liver isn't compromised, I would love to know what happened to us when taking Accutane, more than anything I'd love to know - I'm someone who got the bad side effects whilst on it, not after the fact!!
19 minutes ago, Kokodu said:Togg how many days had you been waiting for first results during avocado diet?
Well what I first noticed was that I was no longer getting worse, this by day 2-3. This alone was very important to me at the time because I had progressively been getting more and more serious side effects since discontinuation of the drug, to the point where I did not know how much more I could take. It continued like this for a couple of weeks I believe. I remember thinking each new day I woke up something like 'I feel like this day is no worse than yesterday, maybe a bit better even, I'll go on one more day'. I know by one month on the diet I was having subtle, bordering on good, improvements in my side effects. Enough improvement that then I started to really believe eating avocados was benefiting me.
I continue to see improvements. Last night I slept without a sleep aid for the first time in months. And today I even got a nap in. I haven't been able to do that since I came off the drug six months ago.
Hello all,
today I would like to get your input on a question, that is more and more bringing me down.
I have a 7 year old daughter. Ever since she has problems with her skin. Already as a baby her skin was very sensitive and she had extreme reactions to all kind of irritations like mosquito bites, certain soaps, suncream and so on. Over the years it was getting worse and worse. Some weeks ago she was diagnosed withLichen sclerosus. At the beginning I did not make any connections with my accutane therapy 17 years ago. But over the last months I have growing concerns, that there is a connection between my accutane therapy and the health problems of my daughter.
It is difficult enough to live with the accutane side effects years later. But to have ruined the health of my daughter, that would probably kill me. Do you think, there could be any connection?
Thanks for your feedback.
Roland
21 hours ago, guitarman01 said:But at this point when you were actually on fin, it appeared you felt worse. So much so you didnt feel it was a good idea to continue taking it.
You had a acne flare up. Ive seen your not the only one, googling this real quick.
That happens with accutane too. There is a Initial acne flair up. acne becomes worse before it gets better.Did you have any hormone testing before taking fin?
id just be sure your sure about things and really let us know if your not or something changes, because your going to have multiple people going off your recovery story now. Yes its important to keep big picture in mind. For every case that did recover, who didnt recover? who was made worse?
you want to be sure your looking for these as well, just as hard as your looking for recovery cases.
When I started took the regular dose I started feeling just like when I was on accutane. I was very emotional like I heard a sad song on the radio and started crying and 10 minutes later feel very aggressive for no reason. It must be hormonal as I know that behavior from my girlfriend when she's on her period. Fucking weird! You got an interesting point on why do acne get worse before getting better on accutane? Has anyone explained that before ?
2 hours ago, Roland1968 said:Hello all,
today I would like to get your input on a question, that is more and more bringing me down.
I have a 7 year old daughter. Ever since she has problems with her skin. Already as a baby her skin was very sensitive and she had extreme reactions to all kind of irritations like mosquito bites, certain soaps, suncream and so on. Over the years it was getting worse and worse. Some weeks ago she was diagnosed with Lichen sclerosus. At the beginning I did not make any connections with my accutane therapy 17 years ago. But over the last months I have growing concerns, that there is a connection between my accutane therapy and the health problems of my daughter.
It is difficult enough to live with the accutane side effects years later. But to have ruined the health of my daughter, that would probably kill me. Do you think, there could be any connection?
Thanks for your feedback.
Roland
sorry to hear bro. Do you have any long-term side effects from accutane? If yes I would guess its possible that there is a connection. Epigenetics is a real thing. If you didn't notice any changes after accutane I would guess it didn't effect your organism and hence didn't effect your child.
Skin problems are increasing due to environmental factors. Try to only give her organic food, don't use bpa plastic etc... and avoid milk and sugar as soon as possible. Go on a holiday with her to the black sea... sorry, cant be of any more help. 
3 hours ago, Roland1968 said:Hello all,
today I would like to get your input on a question, that is more and more bringing me down.
I have a 7 year old daughter. Ever since she has problems with her skin. Already as a baby her skin was very sensitive and she had extreme reactions to all kind of irritations like mosquito bites, certain soaps, suncream and so on. Over the years it was getting worse and worse. Some weeks ago she was diagnosed withLichen sclerosus. At the beginning I did not make any connections with my accutane therapy 17 years ago. But over the last months I have growing concerns, that there is a connection between my accutane therapy and the health problems of my daughter.
It is difficult enough to live with the accutane side effects years later. But to have ruined the health of my daughter, that would probably kill me. Do you think, there could be any connection?
Thanks for your feedback.
Roland
You'll never know for sure, but either way there's nothing you can do now. Beating yourself up about it mentally won't do any favours for either of you, so just use your experience to ensure she never makes the same mistakes with dangerous pharmaceuticals. Epigenetics is going to be massive in medicine, so there's a good chance she'll have the opportunity to correct any defects in the not-too-distant future anyway.
An overview of Antiandrogens (Chemical and plant based). So 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors are also called Antiandrogens?