1 hour ago, IntimateHemp said:

All I can say is get on T, and get workin out. accutane is literally a lesson we didnt deserve or get the chance to recover from but as Stephan said at one point, "I just want to move on from accutane" I mean I keep following this thread in hope and always will but its tough because i dont think we can localize or find one antedote that is going to fix or mask all the areas accutane dried up. thats why i say maybe Testosterone is the closest thing.

T and maybe a mood stabalizer if you really need it lol. or just T and  eat fruit and get ur body fat down to 0000000

I keep seeing people bringing up the idea of testosterone injections as a last resort, but I don't recall reading many anecdotes of post-Accutane users recovering by using testosterone. And it's the same deal with ex-Propecia sufferers. Like any other run-of-the-mill supplement, testosterone works for a while and then stops working.

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10475
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9952 (Big thread.)

My testosterone was in the pits a year after Accutane and went up a bit after adapting a high red meat & eggs diet. Wondering where I'm at now. But I have had ED problems my whole life and have no idea how Accutane plays into it. Actually, the issue has only improved post-Accutane. However, Accutane certainly messed up my digestion and mental state, as TrueJustice was alluding to.

Edit: I'm glad to hear TRT is helping you personally. Hopefully it lasts!

9 minutes ago, TrueJustice said:

Many of you guys are moving into regions I'm unable to keep up with, injecting this & that ( Peptides ) in the hope of finding a cure. There are literally hundreds of supplements and drugs mentioned in these 400 pages, we all like to mention what we think is the latest and best thing to take and I'm as guilty as anyone with this approach but we make very little mention of what to drop along the way?? I mean, whilst taking these peptides are you still taking things like Tudca, biotin, zinc??.......who would know?

Many of you are very brave for injecting stuff but I can't go there, too risky and would much rather take the natural approach with diet changes and supplements - is this a cure? No but I'm not willing to fuck myself up even more with an unknown peptide or breast cancer drug, just can't do it.

About the only thing I'll consider is Cannibas oil - it's in the media a lot and seems to relieve/cure many people with a wide range of health problems.

The other point is, half of us are on the path to fixing sexual issues, the other half don't even have these problems but instead have more mental issues to deal with. Those saying it's all about fixing Testosterone - I'm not sure that would mean much to those who got Bowel disease from Accutane, the point being that tane effects much more than just hormones yeah......

I just happen to be having a compooper night here but figured that i should reply because i have crohns too from accutane and that in fact my stools have looked more normal then ever since being on trt. I've had a lot more oil production and back acne since trt too. Skip the AI's, crashing estrogen is stupid.

Yeah i mean its up to you guys, and im not saying its right or wrong but accutane is a powerful drug

1 hour ago, IntimateHemp said:

I just happen to be having a compooper night here but figured that i should reply because i have crohns too from accutane and that in fact my stools have looked more normal then ever since being on trt. I've had a lot more oil production and back acne since trt too. Skip the AI's, crashing estrogen is stupid.

Yeah i mean its up to you guys, and im not saying its right or wrong but accutane is a powerful drug

So you're doing TRT - testosterone replacement therapy. This suggests you went to a Dr and they've put you on a course to boost testosterone, is that right?

How long are you doing it for?

I ask this because this isn't the same as going to your local supplement store and buying a Testosterone supplement right??

TRT suggest that there's more of a plan involved, you're not just hitting the "Tribulus" and hoping for the best, is that right??

2 hours ago, ACCUiTy_drANE said:

I keep seeing people bringing up the idea of testosterone injections as a last resort, but I don't recall reading many anecdotes of post-Accutane users recovering by using testosterone. And it's the same deal with ex-Propecia sufferers. Like any other run-of-the-mill supplement, testosterone works for a while and then stops working.

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10475
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9952 (Big thread.)

My testosterone was in the pits a year after Accutane and went up a bit after adapting a high red meat & eggs diet. Wondering where I'm at now. But I have had ED problems my whole life and have no idea how Accutane plays into it. Actually, the issue has only improved post-Accutane. However, Accutane certainly messed up my digestion and mental state, as TrueJustice was alluding to.

Edit: I'm glad to hear TRT is helping you personally. Hopefully it lasts!

Your point about any run of the mill supplement working for a bit then stopping similar to any drug rings true and suggests to me we are dealing with RECEPTOR DAMAGE - whether in the gut or brain it would seem we need to deal with the source of the problem.

Just the other day I came back to taking MSM supplement, amazing results for like 3 days then nothing after that. This has happened on so many supplements I've taken and suggests I have a receptor issue. What to take to fix them, I don't know??

1 hour ago, TrueJustice said:

So you're doing TRT - testosterone replacement therapy. This suggests you went to a Dr and they've put you on a course to boost testosterone, is that right?

How long are you doing it for?

I ask this because this isn't the same as going to your local supplement store and buying a Testosterone supplement right??

TRT suggest that there's more of a plan involved, you're not just hitting the "Tribulus" and hoping for the best, is that right??

TRT is testosterone, not some booster or pro hormone. It's literally synthetic testosterone.

1 hour ago, ehohel said:

2 hours ago, TrueJustice said:

So you're doing TRT - testosterone replacement therapy. This suggests you went to a Dr and they've put you on a course to boost testosterone, is that right?

How long are you doing it for?

I ask this because this isn't the same as going to your local supplement store and buying a Testosterone supplement right??

TRT suggest that there's more of a plan involved, you're not just hitting the "Tribulus" and hoping for the best, is that right??

TRT is testosterone, not some booster or pro hormone. It's literally synthetic testosterone.

Is that a good thing? or does TRT come with it's own list of side effects?? i.e messing up other hormones?

My doc checked my T levels and it came back at 300.. pathetic. Explains a lot..fatigue, depression, memory problems. It's within range so he wont treat..

I think the problem is confounded by a varicole i have. I got it operated last year and now its back with a vengeance. I think im really for TRT if I can find a doc to do it.

44 minutes ago, MonsterDiesel said:

My doc checked my T levels and it came back at 300.. pathetic. Explains a lot..fatigue, depression, memory problems. It's within range so he wont treat..

I think the problem is confounded by a varicole i have. I got it operated last year and now its back with a vengeance. I think im really for TRT if I can find a doc to do it.

So like all of us who get blood tests including those done for testosterone and it comes back within range, albeit sometimes low.

Why then TRT?? Could it be a receptor issue that we need to address instead??

3 hours ago, TrueJustice said:

So like all of us who get blood tests including those done for testosterone and it comes back within range, albeit sometimes low.

Why then TRT?? Could it be a receptor issue that we need to address instead??

I have no idea really but im tired of not making progress. Ive been at this for more than 10 years. I hear people here posting about trying this and that..i've done it all. Toremifene, clomid, hcg, anavar, AI's, supplements..jesus. nothing works and if it does its temporary.

51 minutes ago, MonsterDiesel said:

I have no idea really but im tired of not making progress. Ive been at this for more than 10 years. I hear people here posting about trying this and that..i've done it all. Toremifene, clomid, hcg, anavar, AI's, supplements..jesus. nothing works and if it does its temporary.

Have you tried the Dr Pezzi method of cycling another DHT inhibitor like finasteride to re-sensitise receptors?

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3310
http://www.erbook.net/accutane.htm

Someone was trying this with Saw Palmetto? Any improvements?

Hmm dunno how I feel about going on finasteride to try and cure sexual sides.

8 minutes ago, mikez said:

Hmm dunno how I feel about going on finasteride to try and cure sexual sides.

No I don't either, but I'd consider trying other DHT inhibitors if there is a chance of getting some improvements. I forget who was cycling saw palmetto, but interested to hear if he got any gains.

8 hours ago, MonsterDiesel said:

My doc checked my T levels and it came back at 300.. pathetic. Explains a lot..fatigue, depression, memory problems. It's within range so he wont treat..

I think the problem is confounded by a varicole i have. I got it operated last year and now its back with a vengeance. I think im really for TRT if I can find a doc to do it.

If you are a young man you should be looking to try clomid and HCG. The reason doctors don't like TRT is because it is usually considers a life long commitment and in actuality they don't really understand yet how T effects you longterm - heart, cancers etc. It also causes infertility.
300 is right at the bottom of the range I I would agree that it is way to low.

Have you had all other sex hormones tested?
What is your E?
You really should have extensive testing before embarking on any treatments.

3 minutes ago, hatetane said:

If you are a young man you should be looking to try clomid and HCG. The reason doctors don't like TRT is because it is usually considers a life long commitment and in actuality they don't really understand yet how T effects you longterm - heart, cancers etc. It also causes infertility.
300 is right at the bottom of the range I I would agree that it is way to low.

Have you had all other sex hormones tested?
What is your E?
You really should have extensive testing before embarking on any treatments.

Sorry, responded to you early post without seeing your subsequent posts.

So clomid and HCG had no effect?

28 minutes ago, hatetane said:

If you are a young man you should be looking to try clomid and HCG. The reason doctors don't like TRT is because it is usually considers a life long commitment and in actuality they don't really understand yet how T effects you longterm - heart, cancers etc. It also causes infertility.
300 is right at the bottom of the range I I would agree that it is way to low.

Have you had all other sex hormones tested?
What is your E?
You really should have extensive testing before embarking on any treatments.

Sorry, responded to you early post without seeing your subsequent posts.

So clomid and HCG had no effect?

I used hcg for weight loss..cant remember how it affected my T levels. Clomid on the other hand had a huge effect. I even put on some decent muscle mass. I did experience the mood problems, sensitivity, wanting to cry etc.

There is a probiotic that also increases testosterone..biogaia gastrus or something. That also had a positive effect on me but it came with mood issues as well though not as severe as clomid. I still have some around and might give it another go.

My E levels sometimes test low, sometimes normal since im always messing with supplements. Gave myself gyno which im not sure how. Im taking vitamin E for it and its reducing it. Unsure mechanism..by lowering prolactin maybe?

I used saw palmetto in the past but dont want to risk sides.

My brother used finasteride for hairloss and developed sexual sides and that whole post finasteride syndrome. I wont go near that stuff...

My life is on hold. This depression is winning plus the lack of motivation, cognitive problems..im not a young guy anymore and I need results.

I have become really sensitive to aromarase inhibitors. They immediately cause muscle aches all over and joint pain. I dont mean AI drugs, even a cup of green tea or two apples..anything rich in polyphenols. I avoid it now ofcourse but its a shame since medicinally,they can be very beneficial.

I think we should start a separate threat for supplments we have used..what helps and what sides did you experience, current stack, etc..

1 hour ago, hatetane said:

If you are a young man you should be looking to try clomid and HCG. The reason doctors don't like TRT is because it is usually considers a life long commitment and in actuality they don't really understand yet how T effects you longterm - heart, cancers etc. It also causes infertility.
300 is right at the bottom of the range I I would agree that it is way to low.

Have you had all other sex hormones tested?
What is your E?
You really should have extensive testing before embarking on any treatments.

Sorry, responded to you early post without seeing your subsequent posts.

So clomid and HCG had no effect?

I looked into HCG and I don't think that's a smart thing to do with PCT so I'm gonna hold off that.

Also MonsterDiesel I'm curious what kind of protocol you did. Did you do a nice long full term PCT or like 2 weeks of clomid and said fuck this. Cause I believe long term is what's necessary.

On 1/21/2017 at 11:45 AM, ehohel said:

OK so GHK-Cu is weird. This morning I injected 4mg subQ and like all my inflammation disappeared. This 4mg was stronger than the highest ibuprofen dose I've ever taken regarding inflammation reduction. (like 1.2grams ibuprofen). About an hour later I worked out and I've had the strongest pump/soreness I've ever had regarding lifting. Also I'm in a ridiculously good mood and don't feel sluggish mentally (probably because of CNS inflammation reduction?)

I'm curious weather these effects will last after the full vial or if this is only while it's in my blood stream. Cause if it's only while it's in my blood stream I think that price tag isn't too bad cause I feel fan-fucking-tastic.

Here's a good list of info on GHK-Cu that I stumbled upon.
https://mega.nz/#F!hMJ1xZYK!IWmVcpJdImKzQwy_16vpAg

very very intersted in this.. what is the exact procedure.. what type of needles, syringe etc. i think the doses will be cumulative. i even think the cream might work by itself at a slower pace.

1 hour ago, ehohel said:

Also MonsterDiesel I'm curious what kind of protocol you did. Did you do a nice long full term PCT or like 2 weeks of clomid and said fuck this. Cause I believe long term is what's necessary.

From my notes:

4/26/14
-started clomid 25 mg every other day.
-weight ~195
10/1/14
-Stopped clomid
-Weight 210.5 lbs.

-cut clomid in half sept 17,. 2014.
*experienced low libido, mood swings and weight gain.

30 minutes ago, MonsterDiesel said:

From my notes:

4/26/14
-started clomid 25 mg every other day.
-weight ~195
10/1/14
-Stopped clomid
-Weight 210.5 lbs.

-cut clomid in half sept 17,. 2014.
*experienced low libido, mood swings and weight gain.

That does seem to be sorta low dose, sorry it didn't work for you, hopefully I get better results.

57 minutes ago, tryingtohelp2014 said:

very very intersted in this.. what is the exact procedure.. what type of needles, syringe etc. i think the doses will be cumulative. i even think the cream might work by itself at a slower pace.

Just look up on youtube how to do subcutaneous injections. I use 30 gauge 1cc 1/2 inch needles. ExactlyTHESEand usually inject into my thigh, stomach injections always sting for me (probably the alcohol content from BAC water)

Dose will certainly be cumulative, I tried doing 6mg today and had no issues. I've read some people tried cream, but I rather not run the risk of not getting full absorption. SubQ gives me ease of mind that I get 100% absorption.

2 hours ago, ehohel said:

That does seem to be sorta low dose, sorry it didn't work for you, hopefully I get better results. Just look up on youtube how to do subcutaneous injections. I use 30 gauge 1cc 1/2 inch needles. ExactlyTHESEand usually inject into my thigh, stomach injections always sting for me (probably the alcohol content from BAC water)

Dose will certainly be cumulative, I tried doing 6mg today and had no issues. I've read some people tried cream, but I rather not run the risk of not getting full absorption. SubQ gives me ease of mind that I get 100% absorption.

10. Therapeutic Administration of GHK-Cu It is possible that administration of GHK-Cu could be used as a preventive and regenerative therapy for senescent or damaged brain tissue. Using GHK-Cu has an advantage over using just GHK, since it alleviates copper deficiency without the risk of oxidative damage. Even though it is yet not clear whether or not the GHK-Cu peptide can pass the bloodbrain barrier, there is a high possibility that it will do so, since GHK-Cu has a very high uptake into human skin, easily passing through the lipids of the epidermal barrier [66, 67]. The peptide could be administered intravenously or orally when encapsulated into liposomes. Strong systemic wound healing was induced in pigs at about 1.1 mg GHKCu per kilogram body weight which would correspond to about 75 mgs in humans. This is about 300-fold below GHKCus toxic action (lowering of blood pressure). Much lower dosages may also be effective since GHK-Cus actions on cells generally occur at a 1 nanomolar concentration [68].

Biochemical analysis of the wound chambers conrmed that GHK-Cu injections increased GAG and collagen deposition. Interestingly, we noticed that glucuronic acid deposition occurred rapidly in the wound, whereas collagen deposition, appreciated by its hydroxyproline content, was slower. This suggests that GAG may play an important part in the initial phases of the wound tissue formation

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3016279/
Acute and chronic inflammation are characterized by changes in the metabolism of copper and by a pronounced responsiveness to therapy with copper compounds [1,2]. The copper content and ceruloplasmin activity of serum are significantly elevated above normal values in inflammatory diseases in man and laboratory animals, and copper in widely different chemical forms is used as therapeutic agent in therapy for chronic and acute inflammation [2]. The rise in total serum copper measured in inflammation is held to represent the natural anti-inflammatory (AI) response of the organism itself. The responsiveness of inflammatory disorders to copper supplementation noted suggests that the control exerted by endogenous copper on inflammation is susceptible to enhancement by exogenous sources. When copper complexes were administered subcutaneously, the reduction in inflammation was proportional to total amount of copper injected [3].

does anyone losing hair? did it stopped or reduced to anyone? thanks

8 hours ago, MonsterDiesel said:

I have no idea really but im tired of not making progress. Ive been at this for more than 10 years. I hear people here posting about trying this and that..i've done it all. Toremifene, clomid, hcg, anavar, AI's, supplements..jesus. nothing works and if it does its temporary.

I hear you man - 20 years of this mess for me now.

I don't want to go on to say nothing works but I should just accept that this systemic dryness is here to stay, there's certainly been no let up since getting off tane in 97.

That could be why, just can't relieve the dryness. How do you expect organs and glands to work properly in such a dried out state? Wish I had the answer!!

34 minutes ago, TrueJustice said:

I hear you man - 20 years of this mess for me now.

I don't want to go on to say nothing works but I should just accept that this systemic dryness is here to stay, there's certainly been no let up since getting off tane in 97.

That could be why, just can't relieve the dryness. How do you expect organs and glands to work properly in such a dried out state? Wish I had the answer!!

Getting my T levels up via AI gave me massive acne and oily face/skin.

4 hours ago, MonsterDiesel said:

From my notes:

4/26/14
-started clomid 25 mg every other day.
-weight ~195
10/1/14
-Stopped clomid
-Weight 210.5 lbs.

-cut clomid in half sept 17,. 2014.
*experienced low libido, mood swings and weight gain.

Very helpful, thanks. Are you saying clomid did not help with sexual sides - made then worse?

1 hour ago, ehohel said:

1 hour ago, TrueJustice said:

I hear you man - 20 years of this mess for me now.

I don't want to go on to say nothing works but I should just accept that this systemic dryness is here to stay, there's certainly been no let up since getting off tane in 97.

That could be why, just can't relieve the dryness. How do you expect organs and glands to work properly in such a dried out state? Wish I had the answer!!

Getting my T levels up via AI gave me massive acne and oily face/skin.

Excuse my ignorance, what does A1 stand for again?

TRT - lifelong therapy huh!!??
Breaks my fucking heart that this is what we are reduced to.

Take Accutane at your own risk - possible lifelong side effects!!
Thats all they had to write on the side of the box.....criminals.

6 minutes ago, TrueJustice said:

Excuse my ignorance, what does A1 stand for again?

aromatase inhibitor