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(@aharon)

Posted : 04/27/2012 7:05 pm

Yesterday did NOT go as predicted.

 

Yet that it wouldn't go as predicted WAS predicted. You're right on time!

 

Re: Adrenal/Thryoid. Accutane is a whole system smash fest on you. It is now known to compromise:

  • Androgenic receptors
  • Thryoid receptors
  • Vit D3 receptors
  • The gut and therefore gut-brain axis

 

With that kind of shockwave assault you will find the body severely stressed, which by definition means an adrenal compromise and likely thyroidal as well.

 

Just remember these adrenal/thryoid conditions are not a cause. You are only treating symptoms.

 

Regardless, adrenals are worth treating in my view. I've done it on and off for years and it's one of the mildly useful coping mechanisms, like a gluten free diet. So is MSM for the intestines, and creatine monohydrate for both energy and potentially balancing DHT levels.

 

HOWEVER, do not kid yourself that this particularly restorative. That doesn't mean it's not worth doing - adrenal support is worth taking something for, rhodiola, ginseng, whatever works for you. Just keep it in perspective.

 

Indigo, re diet I'd say 70% if you think ice cream and chocolate is bad. I don't see them as such bad foods. Chocolate in moderation is fine - cocoa has lots of health properties. I'd be more concerned about the estrogenic overload in things like chocolate than some sugar.

 

In terms of gluten free I'm pretty damn strict. Still doesn't create enough difference though. Diet only does so much, as we can all see with Joseph, who appears to be the most obsessive with the dietary approach humanly possible and you can see where it gets him.

 

Food for thought.

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Posted : 04/28/2012 5:25 am

That IBD cure site looks like a load of old tosh to be honest.

Not even going to consider paying some guy on the internet $500 and then loads of money on supplements that may or may not work.

I don't think I have IBD anyway, so it's not going to fix all this.

Worthless - You are not worthless, and thinking so will not help you to deal with this. A friend of mine - someone who talks on here occasionally - tried a fast recently. Got to 8 days and said it was too hard. I can't imagine going 30 days without eating. Sure, if there were plenty of evidence that it were going to work, I'd go for it. However, I don't see starving myself as a way out. I've had enough torture because of this. I don't deserve to not eat. For us with thyroid/adrenal problems it's not a good idea either. I've never tried vegetable juicing either, but that seems more plausible if anything. Chico's post makes some sense.

I'm still using my sauna, but nothing to report there.

I'm trying to be happy now. It does always seem like a persuit of happiness, but it's better than feeling like I have no control.

I have some good stuff going on really.

Got a place on the music course yesterday. My audition could have gone better because my voice was shaky and I've never sang infront of a stranger before, but hey - I'm going to be able to do something I love instead of office work. I do think we have to take advantage of the things we can still enjoy. Many people become depressed because they feel their live has no meaning. Of course this health business is enough to ruin anybody's level of enjoyment, but a lot of people deal with terrible things in life. You cannot avoid bad things.

I'm really looking forward to doing the TV stuff. Should be good for us and finally I'll be able to expose this drug for what it is: dangerous and life-altering. 1-3 million people are estimated to watch this show. As soon as it airs and people hear that an acne drug causes sexual dysfunction and suicidal thoughts, word will spread and people will go 'Oh, not Roaccutane... Don't take that drug'. Hopefully anyway. The show will not be completely biased. There will be an interview with someone who had a good experience, without side effects.

Hoping to get a job asap.

What's funny is, I left my job partly because it was a miserable environment to be in. The manager's were awful and should not be in the position they were in. My colleague felt the same and wanted to leave but was too lacking in confidence to go to interviews. They're stuck their now. She said someone had done my job for a day and never came back, and multiple times people had left within months. I got a call the other day and the agency who employed me said the person who replaced me has left already haha. Hilarious frankly. Makes me feel good because I know it wasn't just me thinking 'this is shit'. It just was.

Hopefully I can land myself in a decent part-time job with people who are nice.

Stef

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God, I'm funny.

Half the time I re-watch my videos, I cringe, but this one is hilarious.

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Posted : 04/28/2012 11:10 am

Lol, ok, Lukez, fair enough. Anyway the IBS cycle petered out today by 11 am, and I had an incredibly awesome day. Socially and work-wise, and of course energy. So the method is working. Just a 1-day delayed effect from Circadian stress... I already knew that happens.

 

I'll let you guys know when I hit a week, but there's no need to continue daily logging. I've got 2 days of travel coming up, so it might be like 9 days until I hit that milestone. If there's anything of interest in the meantime I'll post it, of course. But basically, yeah, I think this regimine takes me to above 100% of my pre-Accutane baseline, and with a 1.5 day recovery time from infractions. Not bad at all. Not bad at all.

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Posted : 04/28/2012 7:47 pm

Liver flushing is a waste of time, believe me, i've been there, done loads of liver flushesnever helped.

 

Every time i eat retinol containing foods / supplements it exemplifies the side effects. Stay away from liver, eggs, milk, butter, fatty fish etc .also saturated fats are bad for my side effects.

 

Juice fasting will push the accutane back into the circulation, from therethere has to be something to bind to itremoving it from the bloodstream harmlessly.

 

Seaweeds contain detoxing properties as does chlorella and other algaes. Miso has a protective effect on radiation poisoningit's unrelated but radiation is a fat soluble chemical..often damaging thyroid, hormone function and is stored in body fat. Fermented foods like unpasturized miso, unpasturized natto, unpasturized sauerkraut & Kimchi may have beneficial affects on regulating bowel movements, immunity and auto immune conditions as well as being part of a diet conducive to healing.

 

Things like liquid zeolite i'm unsure of, i have no experience with it and part of me thinks it's a scam, but it's meant to bind to fat soluble toxins..if it was to work (i'm sceptical) it would work much better during a juice fast than during normal diet as thats when the toxin is in circulation. If anybody knows of anything else that binds to fat soluble toxins i'd love to know?

 

Hormones and thyroid are always affected in the case of fat soluble toxicity.

 

Thyroidseaweeds and algaes will help that, Adrenals have to be paid attention too if thyroid is a problem, nutritionally speaking Vitamin D3 may be something people might want to consider also, as is a natural fermented source of K2 like miso or natto. I'm sure the constipation is linked to the thyroid...

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Posted : 04/28/2012 8:16 pm

Indigo great vid by the way.... chemo is a bad as accutane, cancer is a modern disease in terms of prominence. I ask you this question how many lions in africa die of cancer? it's a human and domesticated animal disease....caused by a complete disconnect with nature. Just think a normal person wakes up, brushes there teeth with toothpaste, washes their face with a cleanser / soap, puts on moisturizer or shaving foam if your a man....women put on their make up, spray deoderant, go downstairs take out a bowl (washed in fairy liquid or with a dishwasher using chemical tablets).....pours some cereal and eats breakfast. Thats about 2000 man made chemicals before the days even started. It's the man made chemicals...but cancers big business and so's acne unfortunately.

 

In the future they'll look back at chemo and radiotherapy in the same way as they now look at transorbital lobotomy's. Roche would sell accutane to babies if it would make them more money.

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Posted : 04/28/2012 9:03 pm

Chico, sounds like our knowledge base is pretty overlapping, but if you want to look deeper into the fat solubiility angle, "chelation" is a good key word I didn't see you use. And I think TUDCA might help with detoxing.

 

I'm not so sure about the whole "Accutane still in the body" thesis. I think we just have weakened ability to tolerate stress. Anyway, everything's still going good.

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Posted : 04/29/2012 4:29 am

Liver flushing is a waste of time, believe me, i've been there, done loads of liver flushesnever helped.

 

Every time i eat retinol containing foods / supplements it exemplifies the side effects. Stay away from liver, eggs, milk, butter, fatty fish etc .also saturated fats are bad for my side effects.

 

Juice fasting will push the accutane back into the circulation, from therethere has to be something to bind to itremoving it from the bloodstream harmlessly.

 

Seaweeds contain detoxing properties as does chlorella and other algaes. Miso has a protective effect on radiation poisoningit's unrelated but radiation is a fat soluble chemical..often damaging thyroid, hormone function and is stored in body fat. Fermented foods like unpasturized miso, unpasturized natto, unpasturized sauerkraut & Kimchi may have beneficial affects on regulating bowel movements, immunity and auto immune conditions as well as being part of a diet conducive to healing.

 

Things like liquid zeolite i'm unsure of, i have no experience with it and part of me thinks it's a scam, but it's meant to bind to fat soluble toxins..if it was to work (i'm sceptical) it would work much better during a juice fast than during normal diet as thats when the toxin is in circulation. If anybody knows of anything else that binds to fat soluble toxins i'd love to know?

 

Hormones and thyroid are always affected in the case of fat soluble toxicity.

 

Thyroidseaweeds and algaes will help that, Adrenals have to be paid attention too if thyroid is a problem, nutritionally speaking Vitamin D3 may be something people might want to consider also, as is a natural fermented source of K2 like miso or natto. I'm sure the constipation is linked to the thyroid...

 

 

For me it is not the same. Saturated fat is not evil in all cases. I started eating tons of eggs about 2 years ago. On average I eat 4 very soft boiled eggs a day, sometimes much more and they improved my IBS and energy. They are a good source of vitamins and contain immunoglobulins as well.

 

Something I want to recommend to you guys is the following book:

 

http://www.amazon.co...ader_0965877752

 

This book presents details on conventional and alternative treatment protocolls for many different diseases as well as relevant current research. It has helped me a great deal in my recovery from accutane, because it helps understand the parallels between different diseases such as the IBS, leaky gut, the "Gulf War Syndrome", autism, liver degeneration, heavy metal toxicity just to name a few. Many of these diseases share the same symptoms - we are all too familiar with - and unsurprisingly have a lot of commonalities in terms of their treatment, which in turn gave me guidance on how to treat myself and what to look at. Check the book out, you can order it at amazon, if you don't like it just send it back free of charge.

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Posted : 04/29/2012 5:03 am

Indigo great vid by the way.... chemo is a bad as accutane, cancer is a modern disease in terms of prominence. I ask you this question how many lions in africa die of cancer? it's a human and domesticated animal disease....caused by a complete disconnect with nature. Just think a normal person wakes up, brushes there teeth with toothpaste, washes their face with a cleanser / soap, puts on moisturizer or shaving foam if your a man....women put on their make up, spray deoderant, go downstairs take out a bowl (washed in fairy liquid or with a dishwasher using chemical tablets).....pours some cereal and eats breakfast. Thats about 2000 man made chemicals before the days even started. It's the man made chemicals...but cancers big business and so's acne unfortunately.

 

In the future they'll look back at chemo and radiotherapy in the same way as they now look at transorbital lobotomy's. Roche would sell accutane to babies if it would make them more money.

 

 

Thanks man.

Absolutely.

This video was made in December, last year.

I've found out more about cancer since. I believe chemo is useless, and the book 'Never fear cancer again' proves how they delude people into thinking it's amazing.

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Posted : 04/29/2012 9:39 am

Chico, sounds like our knowledge base is pretty overlapping, but if you want to look deeper into the fat solubiility angle, "chelation" is a good key word I didn't see you use. And I think TUDCA might help with detoxing.

 

I'm not so sure about the whole "Accutane still in the body" thesis. I think we just have weakened ability to tolerate stress. Anyway, everything's still going good.

 

 

 

I like this analogy - say you fill a bath half and half with equal amounts of mud and water.....when you pull the plug do you expect it to all flush away or will the mud clog the plughole at some point before it's all gone? I think it's better to clean the mud out of the bath first then pull the plug....chances are it will flush much easier. Thats my belief on how to deal with accutane........the liver is the plughole and the mud is the accutane.

 

Yes your absolutely right "chelation" may be something to explore although i fear things like NAC, ALA will have no benefit on accutane induced side effects because glutathione helps remove heavy metals, but will have little to no effect on accutane which is removed primarily through the glucuronidation pathway. Of course unbound accutane is removed via neither and needs retinol binding protein to be transported. I want to get away from the liver i'm looking more into the thyroid / adrenal glands and how the affect people post accutane and how they need to be addressed to bring back metabolism, a series of chelation herbs and supplements in conjunction with short juice fasts could remove the accutane from the body and lessen symptoms.

 

Basically a protocol involving highly iodine rich foods- seaweeds / algaes for healing of the thyroid, addressing the adrenal glands directly, juice fasting with chelation based techniques to bind the accutane and excrete it harmlessly, fermented foods to bring about gut health and increase immunity....but the main crux is the removal of the toxin out of the body.....looking at increasing bile flow should happen when symptoms subside. Of course in your case it's based around your inability to digest fat...so rice and low fat meats take the burden off your weak liver / pancreas and give you relief. Your own intuition on healing yourself is stellar and a joy to read, you really listen to your body and you'll find what works for you on an individual basis.

 

People with the outward signs of Vitamin A toxicity from accutane....people with rosecea, psoriasis, cracked lips, severely dry eyes, brittle joints and bones, hairloss....these people usually react badly to eating Retinol containing foods. The only conclussion for that is their body already has too much retinol (in the form of retinoic acid) stored already. For some it might of been cholestasis that was the root cause, the body's inability to remove the drug caused it to be stored in the body fat. But by storing it there the condition become chronic and the symptoms never go away. Regardless of how many supplements they take it doesn't lessen the side effects and they seem to be in a perpetual state of suffering. Toxins can be stored in fat cells forever theoretically unless you get them out. Likewise an underlaying thyroid condition causes a very slow metabolism, often fat soluble toxins affect other fat soluble hormones in the body because they bind to the same receptors...so the adrenals and thyroid may be of some concern to some people that have long term side effects. The body then struggles to gain any weight whatsoever...no fat is burnt for energy and the toxins lay dormant in the fat cells continuing this cycle of vitamin A mimicing toxicity.

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Posted : 04/29/2012 12:30 pm

I took a look at scallops and indeed they are a real superfood and "supplement" exactly those nutrients that I have helped in my recovery, take a look for yourself:

 

http://whfoods.org/g...dspice&dbid=105

 

However, eversince Fukushima I try to avoid seafood. By the way, not only the pacific but also the atlantic ocean is full of nuclear waste dumped in the 70s and then there is the problem of mercury in seafood. Search for Dr . Jane Hightower, she wrote a book on it, you will also find videos of her on youtube.

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Posted : 04/30/2012 11:11 am

"Your own intuition on healing yourself is stellar and a joy to read"

 

Lol, oh I wish. I feel more like a monkey at a typewriter, brute forcing combinations because he can't read the numbers on the damn masterlock. If you guys think you're tired of me now, imagine if I joined this forum 8 years ago!

 

I think the whole "still circulating" hypothesis is interesting, but where's the disconfirmable prediction? Has anyone actually succeeded via this route? Granted those are tough questions to ask in this domain.

 

"The only conclussion for that is their body already has too much retinol (in the form of retinoic acid) stored already."

 

Maybe... or maybe it's residual damage at the endpoints of those pathways, not residual accutane, that causes the sensitivity.

 

Can't we just like take a core sample and test for Vit-A levels? They have drill bits for that right? Any volunteers? Donate your lard... it's for science!

 

Anyway, things continue to go swimmingly. Powered through my little travel jaunt. Good to be alive, finally. Grrrah, I wants teh money!

 

@Believe Yes indeedy they are, everything but Vit K2 is there. I'm not worried about seawater pollution because bivalves are the bottom of the food chain, ergo zero biomagnification.

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Posted : 04/30/2012 12:42 pm

Joseph, did you do the MTHFR gene test yet?

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Posted : 04/30/2012 2:05 pm

"I think the whole "still circulating" hypothesis is interesting, but where's the disconfirmable prediction? Has anyone actually succeeded via this route? Granted those are tough questions to ask in this domain."

If accutane is still circulating or stored in fatty cell membranes losing body fat might probably help?

Has anybody lost weight and saw sides disappearing?

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Posted : 04/30/2012 6:30 pm

 

@Believe Yes indeedy they are, everything but Vit K2 is there. I'm not worried about seawater pollution because bivalves are the bottom of the food chain, ergo zero biomagnification.

 

 

This is what Dr. Hightower recommends as well: eat at the bottom of the food chain if you want to consume seafood

 

Regarding chelation:

 

I have tried ALA, it gives me bad acne right away within 24 hours. Maybe it is a detox effect or a allergic reaction. Has anyone tried it here?

 

I am currently trying DMPS, but it is too early to tell you guys anything. I am taking it because I have had too much copper in my body and because I want to find out if I got a mercury problem.

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Posted : 04/30/2012 9:13 pm

@Lukez, no I haven't, it's not a high priority at the moment. My focus has shifted to career stuff now.

 

I don't think there's anything genetically wrong with me. I do believe I have strong neanderthal expression, which requires a different diet. I participate in another forum where neanderthal genetics are the subject of much discussion. A quote (not from me):

 

 

The most Neanderthal-esque people that I know (I have a very interesting family) do not get sick as long as they stick to a simple diet of meat, cheese, water, and the occasional starchy tuber. No colds, no flus, no infections, nothing. They do have digestive problems, however, when they stray from this diet. In fact, most of their obituaries say things like, "he died in his sleep of old age, having never been sick a day in his life."

 

So a combination of a neanderthal and shoreline dweller diet seems to be optimal for me.

 

I do believe being in the genetic minority probably made me more susceptible to rare side effects from prescription drugs, and maybe the MTHFR gene is a part of that.

 

Also, the above quote fits my experience, too - basically the only sickness I've experienced since switching to this diet is IBS, whereas I used to get sick often. I think I caught a cold once or twice from my girlfriend when I was already stressed and weak - so one or two viruses over several years.

 

@Accux weight loss would remove accutane from fat cells and put it back into bloodstream circulation, causing a flareup. Sedentary weight gain should be the lowest symptom state.

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Posted : 05/01/2012 12:11 am

accux i tried levothyroxine(t4) for about 5 months and noticed great improvement on my symptoms.During that period yes i lost weight.The strange thing is that after stopping t4 the symptoms continued to be gone(not completely) at the same degree as when i was taking t4.So thats why i also think that retinoic acid could still be there.You can join also our discussion here:

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we discuss many different theories.

If retinoic acid still remains in our brain,fat cells it would be beneficial to try some retinoid receptor antagonist.That could prove instantly if this theory is correct

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Posted : 05/01/2012 2:25 am

Levianthan good to hear T4 worked for you.

 

I will try to lose weight (exercise, paleo diet etc.) and see if that helps with my sides (BMI 25 now).

 

I am trying to avoid taking any further medication/hormones etc. after the accutane experience.

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Posted : 05/01/2012 8:06 am

Hey guys,

 

been a while since I last posted - my main problems are crushing brain fog and very low libido, plus hair loss.

 

Over the last couple of months, tried a couple of new things that I thought i would update with:

 

Piracetam: Tried this to help my brain fog. Surprisingly, i did see some improvement - my speech was definently improved and my thoughts seemed to flow much easier. But, it completely tanked the tiny amount of libido I have left so i had to stop taking it. This reaction is quite unusual - I've scoured the internet and only seem a few anecdotal stories of Piracetam (or any of the 'nootropic' type drugs) impacting libido, so i could be an isolated case. I would recommend anyone who suffers from poor cognition post roaccutane to look into nootropic type drugs, as they could be of some help.

 

8 Day Water fast: Indigo mentioned above that he had a friend who had tried an 8-day water fast- thats me. After hearing a couple of stories of 'taners that have improved via water fasting, I started what was supposed to be a 21 day water fast. Problem is, I attempted to do this at home and i underestimated the grief I was going to get from my family for doing the fast and caved in on day 8 - in hindsight i didnt have enough weight on me going into the fast so I was never going to make it to 21 days. I did see some mild improvements in libido/brain fog during the fast, but it is too early to say if there has been any long term benefit (only started eating a couple of days ago), but I dont think there has. Saying that, 8 days simply isn't long enough though to enact any deep healing - so this doesnt rule out water fasting as a treatment option for me. I would consider doing another water fast in the future, but next time it will have to be for a lot longer.

 

Going to get back on zinc/copper as i think this helps libido a little marginally, will also take B12 as I am on the lower side for that - B vitamins are pretty important. Switched from the raw food diet to the paleo(ish) diet as i was losing too much weight by going raw. The raw food diet is the best diet I have tried so far in terms of mitigating tane, side effects - so whilst i am eating meat again 70% of my diet is fruit and veg (with as much of that as raw as possible). Also started doing heavy weightlifting again as i think this could help the libido in the long run.

 

I took my body temperature every day whilst fasting and it is chronically low - this along with hair loss, fatigue, low sex drive etc could indicate thyroid problems so im going to get those checked. Very interested to hear any experiences/treatments people have used for thyroid problems.

 

Hope everyone is holding up, this is all incredibly tough.

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Posted : 05/01/2012 10:11 am

Hey guys,

 

been a while since I last posted - my main problems are crushing brain fog and very low libido, plus hair loss.

 

Over the last couple of months, tried a couple of new things that I thought i would update with:

 

Piracetam: Tried this to help my brain fog. Surprisingly, i did see some improvement - my speech was definently improved and my thoughts seemed to flow much easier. But, it completely tanked the tiny amount of libido I have left so i had to stop taking it. This reaction is quite unusual - I've scoured the internet and only seem a few anecdotal stories of Piracetam (or any of the 'nootropic' type drugs) impacting libido, so i could be an isolated case. I would recommend anyone who suffers from poor cognition post roaccutane to look into nootropic type drugs, as they could be of some help.

 

8 Day Water fast: Indigo mentioned above that he had a friend who had tried an 8-day water fast- thats me. After hearing a couple of stories of 'taners that have improved via water fasting, I started what was supposed to be a 21 day water fast. Problem is, I attempted to do this at home and i underestimated the grief I was going to get from my family for doing the fast and caved in on day 8 - in hindsight i didnt have enough weight on me going into the fast so I was never going to make it to 21 days. I did see some mild improvements in libido/brain fog during the fast, but it is too early to say if there has been any long term benefit (only started eating a couple of days ago), but I dont think there has. Saying that, 8 days simply isn't long enough though to enact any deep healing - so this doesnt rule out water fasting as a treatment option for me. I would consider doing another water fast in the future, but next time it will have to be for a lot longer.

 

Going to get back on zinc/copper as i think this helps libido a little marginally, will also take B12 as I am on the lower side for that - B vitamins are pretty important. Switched from the raw food diet to the paleo(ish) diet as i was losing too much weight by going raw. The raw food diet is the best diet I have tried so far in terms of mitigating tane, side effects - so whilst i am eating meat again 70% of my diet is fruit and veg (with as much of that as raw as possible). Also started doing heavy weightlifting again as i think this could help the libido in the long run.

 

I took my body temperature every day whilst fasting and it is chronically low - this along with hair loss, fatigue, low sex drive etc could indicate thyroid problems so im going to get those checked. Very interested to hear any experiences/treatments people have used for thyroid problems.

 

Hope everyone is holding up, this is all incredibly tough.

 

 

Thanks for sharing all this! I would defintly have your thyroid checked. I am not sure where you live, but if it comes back you are low thyroid and you choose to go the natural route then there is a long protocol on how to go about it, Some have sucess, though you have to be very dilegent and there is a long list of supplements.

 

accux i tried levothyroxine(t4) for about 5 months and noticed great improvement on my symptoms.During that period yes i lost weight.The strange thing is that after stopping t4 the symptoms continued to be gone(not completely) at the same degree as when i was taking t4.So thats why i also think that retinoic acid could still be there.You can join also our discussion here:

 

 

http://www.musclecha...Accutane-Thread

 

we discuss many different theories.

 

If retinoic acid still remains in our brain,fat cells it would be beneficial to try some retinoid receptor antagonist.That could prove instantly if this theory is correct

 

 

Some people who develop hypothyroid either drug induced etc... only have to take synthyroid or levothyroxine for a short time and their thyroid gets back to functioning on its own. That is if it is caught in time. I would still suggest though having it retested every 4-6 months for about a yr or 2.

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Posted : 05/01/2012 11:56 am

accux i tried levothyroxine(t4) for about 5 months and noticed great improvement on my symptoms.During that period yes i lost weight.The strange thing is that after stopping t4 the symptoms continued to be gone(not completely) at the same degree as when i was taking t4.So thats why i also think that retinoic acid could still be there.You can join also our discussion here:

 

 

http://www.musclecha...Accutane-Thread

 

we discuss many different theories.

 

If retinoic acid still remains in our brain,fat cells it would be beneficial to try some retinoid receptor antagonist.That could prove instantly if this theory is correct

 

 

I think thats a really powerful testimonial. Theres alot of space for this to be focused on.....the thyroid / adrenals, Vitamin D3, fermented foods (sauerkraut, natto, miso). Seaweeds, algaes and detoxification protocols like green juice fasting as a means to push the toxins stored in the fat out into the bloodstream. Then there will have be the use of things that bind and excrete the accutane while it's there (chlorella, sauna, zeolites). But may i ask what your thyroid test showed before you went on the thyroid drugs?

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Posted : 05/01/2012 12:24 pm

I've gained and lost weight post-accutane and didn't experience any change.

 

If someone loses weight from T4, it's more likely the regulation of the thyroid that is creating the benefits.

 

The thyroid can stay regulated until another stressor knocks it out of balance. The accutane shock stresses the body, so also the thyroid.

 

I still haven't seen anyone do this supposed cleanse model successfully. I'm not into that model.

 

Sauna has been tried by numerous people here. Glucoradation detox pathways are, if supplement makers are to be trusted, easily available. No results on either front.

 

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Re: previous question re ALA. I've tried that and got a headache. No acne from it though. There is a debate in supplement world about ALA: R+ is the good kind supposedly, otherwise you're taking in an oxidating anti-oxidant. That may be a factor. I wouldn't expect ALA to do anything on its own.

 

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I do believe being in the genetic minority probably made me more susceptible to rare side effects from prescription drugs, and maybe the MTHFR gene is a part of that

 

Yes, I agree. I'm wondering what is the nature of the genetic subset and what are its effects. Magnesium stearate susceptibility, for example, being a bigger problem for those with MTHFR.

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Posted : 05/01/2012 1:41 pm

 

accux i tried levothyroxine(t4) for about 5 months and noticed great improvement on my symptoms.During that period yes i lost weight.The strange thing is that after stopping t4 the symptoms continued to be gone(not completely) at the same degree as when i was taking t4.So thats why i also think that retinoic acid could still be there.You can join also our discussion here:

 

 

http://www.musclecha...Accutane-Thread

 

we discuss many different theories.

 

If retinoic acid still remains in our brain,fat cells it would be beneficial to try some retinoid receptor antagonist.That could prove instantly if this theory is correct

 

 

I think thats a really powerful testimonial. Theres alot of space for this to be focused on.....the thyroid / adrenals, Vitamin D3, fermented foods (sauerkraut, natto, miso). Seaweeds, algaes and detoxification protocols like green juice fasting as a means to push the toxins stored in the fat out into the bloodstream. Then there will have be the use of things that bind and excrete the accutane while it's there (chlorella, sauna, zeolites). But may i ask what your thyroid test showed before you went on the thyroid drugs?

 

 

i had high TSH (but within the normal limits).t3 and t4 were in the mid range so normal again.

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(@humanstate)

Posted : 05/01/2012 5:41 pm

For anyone wanting some info on Dr. snow (the guy with the "cure") here is a forum I found: [Edited link out]

There's actually a lot of good info in that forum. Check it out

Also found this today http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/healing-the-gut-after-accutane/

Has colostrum been mentioned on this thread? I was reading the reviews on iherb and it seems like it can help lots of things.

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Posted : 05/01/2012 8:39 pm

"Yes, I agree. I'm wondering what is the nature of the genetic subset and what are its effects. Magnesium stearate susceptibility, for example, being a bigger problem for those with MTHFR.

 

Yes. Are you asking about neanderthal genetics or MTHFR. The ONLY quality info I have on MTHFR is the link I gave earlier.

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Posted : 05/01/2012 11:40 pm

I checked your link. I was asking about MTHFR.

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