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No offense taken, guitarman. Would've been more believable if the Dr. had given his full name. Regarding skirting the legalities, though, I'm finding that there are traditional doctors who've lost faith in traditional medicine, much like many of us have. My family has now been severely damaged by side effects of two prescriptions that were sold to us as completely safe. Surprisingly, in my outspoken anger, I've found a few allies. I think that's where the medical cannabis doctors are coming from.
Speaking of cannabis, I've been trying to understand why anyone has had success with it, and all the brochures say that CBD is an anti-inflammatory. Yet, no one has had success with CBD alone? Seems like the success stories with RSO all involved 60 grams or so in 30 days. My son B has not been able to tolerate 1/3 of that amount (taking it only in the evening) because of the THC content. He has still had some success with it, though. Enough that I see the potential, but I wonder if the THC really has anything beneficial to offer. Has anyone here tried large amounts of CBD? Like 40 mg or more per day?
We're getting ready to attempt a liver flush, so I have another question. Moritz says to do a colon cleanse before and after the liver cleanse. Is it really necessary if he doesn't have any of the digestive symptoms that some here have?
13 minutes ago, Justmom said:No offense taken, guitarman. Would've been more believable if the Dr. had given his full name. Regarding skirting the legalities, though, I'm finding that there are traditional doctors who've lost faith in traditional medicine, much like many of us have. My family has now been severely damaged by side effects of two prescriptions that were sold to us as completely safe. Surprisingly, in my outspoken anger, I've found a few allies. I think that's where the medical cannabis doctors are coming from.
Speaking of cannabis, I've been trying to understand why anyone has had success with it, and all the brochures say that CBD is an anti-inflammatory. Yet, no one has had success with CBD alone? Seems like the success stories with RSO all involved 60 grams or so in 30 days. My son B has not been able to tolerate 1/3 of that amount (taking it only in the evening) because of the THC content. He has still had some success with it, though. Enough that I see the potential, but I wonder if the THC really has anything beneficial to offer. Has anyone here tried large amounts of CBD? Like 40 mg or more per day?
We're getting ready to attempt a liver flush, so I have another question. Moritz says to do a colon cleanse before and after the liver cleanse. Is it really necessary if he doesn't have any of the digestive symptoms that some here have?
I've asked that question myself about Moritz flush but had little response. I do them by the book meaning Yes I go to Colonic irrigation place twice within a week for 2 X 45 min sessions around the time of the actual Liver cleanse!!
Thats why I'm keen to learn how to do enama's at home, nothing will clean you like going to the clinic but it's very time consuming plus costs a lot of money.
Havent done anything with Cannibas thing yet, I mean is that oil etc easy to obtain legally??
I'm only at 4 flushes, I plan to do more but it'll take me about another year to hit 10 or more. In the meantime do I start a whole other regime to try and get relief from this bullshit or do I think it's going to come from the liver flushes alone?? I just can't say.....
Who would fucken know? - It's a complete maze of torment. Did my blood tests for copper this morning so will post results soon .
On 7/1/2016 at 4:19 AM, Justmom said:Regarding antihistamines - brings to mind this comment from someone who at least had a temporary cure from Loratadine - an allergy medication antihistamine -
Forgot to copy the link for the Loratidine success -
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Very Interesting! Not sure if I brought this up before, but I had a very odd reaction a few years ago with Motrin PM. I had taken 2 to fall asleep and the next day I woke up feeling great, like the trees and sun were vivid like they were once before accutane, my anxiety was gone, brain fog as well. Key ingredient in motrin PM: Dipenhydramine ... An antihistamine. Now were definitely getting somewhere.
How interesting would it be to find a link between H1 histamine receptors and accutane. Histamine receptors known to play a pivotal role in serotonin uptake. Roche denies the mechanisms of action, but if they knew, and if the families of deceased ones caught wind. We could potentially see a big time lawsuit.
Did you continue to take them or was it a one off??
I would've get taking them if you had an incredible reaction like you mentioned!?
Not sure it's a long-term solution though, it is interesting that Histamine comes up again, as I mentioned in a post earlier this week Histamine is also linked to reflux issues, which I'm currently dealing with.
so i've got interesting results:
ceruleoplasmin 0.18 g/L (range 0.15 - 0.30)
copper 9.6 mol/L (12.4 - 31.7)
zinc 31.4mol/L (8.4 - 14.1)
so i believe i kinda took too much zinc after the copper (which caused me some bad effects) and did the test too soon.. apparently zinchas a 8days half life in blood, and i took 300mg total of it the next 5 days, and did the blood test day 8 (after the copper). so since the ceruloplasmin is good i believe the low copper is only a symptom of the high zinc which i took for that purpose anyway.
anonyy you'd be the person to ask. I know taking Zinc is good for male hormone levels umongst other things but that Dr Morses glandular supplement, should that have a positive effect on Pituitary Gland??
I'm so sick of the brain fog and light sensitivity but don't know if I'm wasting my time buying glandular supplements in the hope to improve this condition?
Sounds like Iike your hitting the Zinc hard, you'd be also acquiring it from your diet too correct!?
Glandular's will help yes, but you need to detox at the same time, if not it will be useless. Zinc i don't believe it will help, only detox can, for any condition.
I took the zinc only because i took the copper, i didn't used that zinc bottle since 4 month, and when i take it i only take it once, then no more, that time i took a lot x)
From diet maybe but little, the supplement made that spike.
11 hours ago, TrueJustice said:Havent done anything with Cannibas thing yet, I mean is that oil etc easy to obtain legally??
It may be worth a try. But buying Cannabidiol IS difficult for a few reasons. Often, products do not have enough cannabidiol in them to be effective unless they also contain fairly abundant amounts of THC (the psychoactive component in weed). This makes it illegal to buy in most places.
Some growers have found a way to engineer weed that is LOW THC (below .3%) and HIGH cannabidiol, which makes it legal to sell in most areas. But good luck finding a vendor. Such a product is TECHNICALLY sold as hemp (legal/branding purposes), although you will NOT get the same effects from store-bought hemp oil or seeds as you would from genuine cannabidiol. Again, the difference is in the MAKEUP of the product, NOT the name. Therefore, you must get to know your vendor. You should also ask for tests they have conducted on their product to ensure they have accurately represented what they are selling.
Long story short, cannabidiol is a sketchy market. There are lots of inauthentic vendors out there who take advantage of the complexity of this product. But it is possible to buy legally in all 50 states. 
Very expensive though.
10 hours ago, anonyy said:so i've got interesting results:
ceruleoplasmin 0.18 g/L (range 0.15 - 0.30)
copper 9.6 mol/L (12.4 - 31.7)
zinc 31.4mol/L (8.4 - 14.1)so i believe i kinda took too much zinc after the copper (which caused me some bad effects) and did the test too soon.. apparently zinchas a 8days half life in blood, and i took 300mg total of it the next 5 days, and did the blood test day 8 (after the copper). so since the ceruloplasmin is good i believe the low copper is only a symptom of the high zinc which i took for that purpose anyway.
lol another guy trying to treat a non existent "toxic" copper condition. good God you people. people with a true problem like Wilsons take 100mg of zinc a day EVERY DAY for years.
you dont have it.
13 hours ago, anonyy said:so i've got interesting results:
ceruleoplasmin 0.18 g/L (range 0.15 - 0.30)
copper 9.6 mol/L (12.4 - 31.7)
zinc 31.4mol/L (8.4 - 14.1)so i believe i kinda took too much zinc after the copper (which caused me some bad effects) and did the test too soon.. apparently zinchas a 8days half life in blood, and i took 300mg total of it the next 5 days, and did the blood test day 8 (after the copper). so since the ceruloplasmin is good i believe the low copper is only a symptom of the high zinc which i took for that purpose anyway.
your free copper might be 55.6. your units of measure are different then in the US.
this correlates differently then US reference ranges.
i'd have to due some digging to see whats normal.
though the trend looks to be the same, any numbers that look to come back low in copper actually show elevated free copper.
I have no idea what TTH is doing, its a little sick and twisted.
3 hours ago, tryingtohelp2014 said:100mg of zinc a day EVERY DAY for years.
So basically your saying the zinc he took had zero effect on his copper levels. I agree.
Why dont you take a break for a bit and at least let people look into this.
That would be the rational thing to do.
On 7/2/2016 at 1:47 AM, tryingtohelp2014 said:lol another guy trying to treat a non existent "toxic" copper condition. good God you people. people with a true problem like Wilsons take 100mg of zinc a day EVERY DAY for years.
you dont have it.
I never took zinc for copper (except this one time i tried it). I never cared once about the copper, and never heard of wilson disease before. I just told you that in the past i took lot of multiple copper chelators for several months (or years), without knowing it. And still after that, and a overdose of zinc, i still have more ceruloplasmin than you and your copper supplement, only my copper is little low but i'm sure it's only because of the zinc massive level. Anyway i found no benefit from the copper supplement, on the contrary, and anyway you won't recover by only taking copper.
on this calculator [Edited link out]it gives me 7 non-ceruloplasmin copper.
My WBC, neutrophil and red blood cells numbersare perfect, even on the high range if i remember correctly. I believe the WBC was little low (or high not sure anymore)5 years ago, but since my detox, every test went back perfect.
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white cells 5240 (range 4000 - 10000)
neutrophils: 2562 (1800 - 7500)
red blood cells: 5.60 (4.5 - 5.8)
hemoglobin 16.4 (13.5 - 17.5)
platelets 294 (150 - 400)
On 7/2/2016 at 6:16 AM, tryingtohelp2014 said:guitarman... you add like you read.... poorly. and my free copper actually went down after two months... add it again.
to convert umol to ug/dl you divide the number by .157
9 x .157 = 57 ug/dl
18 CP x 3 = 54
free copper of 3.
annoy what are your WBC and neutrophil counts?
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I wasnt the one doing the adding. there is a professional calculator right here.
your numbers are dead wrong.
and why are you just bringing this up now?
where do you think ive been getting all these numbers?
ug and mcg are the same
your at 21.3 big guy. again reference per medscape 10-15 to keep it in perspective
and annoys numbers are the second set of calculations on the calculator, his numbers are in line with bobby d
you were never copper deficient, the only thing thats been out of range this whole time is your elevated free copper levels, which you managed to increase by taking more copper
Annoy your at 55.6 i just double checked your numbers. your units of measure you plug into the second calculator on that list. thats what matches your blood test. (scratch this comment, this number is wrong)
I cant believe this is what im doing with my friday night.
yes i used the second set:
serum copper 9.6 mol/L
and ceruloplasmin 0.18 g/L converted to mg/L = 180
result = 7.008 non-ceruloplasmin (free) copper.
It's little low according to: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/2087780-overview (range 10-15)
10 minutes ago, anonyy said:It's little low according to: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/2087780-overview (range 10-15)
that range is for a different unit of measure i believe then what yours is
btw just to clarify that was a serum/plasma blood test for copper correct?
i mean what did they call the actual test?
just to make sure this is accurate
22 minutes ago, anonyy said:and ceruloplasmin 0.18 g/L converted to mg/L = 180
Free serum copper: 1.6-2.4 mol/L or 10-15g/dL thats from medscape for range
the question is are they converting it in that final number the calculator spits out? it doesn't tell us that. because their range falls in line with US numbers.
So are they converting your numbers to US numbers in the final calculation?
or units of measure i mean
44 minutes ago, anonyy said:i converted them into the right numbers in the calculator, only result matter, and that calculator apparently gives it in g/dL.
don't get what you don't understand xD your calculation was almost good, you just put 18 instead of 180.
yea i guess 7 in umol/l would be the highest we've seen yet. well shit
anything above 30 is not impossible though, yetanotheraccutane victim had a 31 in ug/dl plugged into that calculator, and he's got a long list of sides
what if they didnt convert that last calculation though? i mean the calculator did the math plus converted the final number into a different unit of measure?
im going to confirm this with them just to be sure. Because we got multiple people outside the states getting these test.
How many years has it been since you took accutane?
actually why would they convert that calculation into a different unit of measure?
I dont think they did
il email them just to check, and give them a list of these free copper numbers to get a outside opinion
52 minutes ago, anonyy said:i converted them into the right numbers in the calculator, only result matter, and that calculator apparently gives it in ¼g/dL.
don't get what you don't understand xD your calculation was almost good, you just put 18 instead of 180.
Again, what are we going to do with Copper info???
Over,Under, In Balance - You said it yourself that best thing to do to combat problems is to detox - I'm just not sure on your reasons why for looking at Copper?
I'm just not sure where we are going with all this Copper info?
Will post my results soon just to keep all the scientists happy