Excuse my ignorance but what's involved with a water enama??

what equipment do I need?
Also does it eliminate any residual stones after liver cleanse. The whole idea of doing a colon cleanse is:

Before - cleans everything out so the actual liver flush works and passes the unwanted stones!

After - Ensures that any residual stones leave the body as if they are trapped they can be reabdorbed which can leave you very sick!!!

Am I the only one whose done the Andreas Moritz cleanse by the book each time?? Everyone else I've corresponded with seems to take shortcuts!?

On 8.6.2016 at 6:25 PM, tanedout said:

yetanotheraccutanevictim, I forgot to request a print out of the results unfortunately, but I will do so and post up when I have them.

Roland1968, if you google for chunks of that post it goes back to 2004, possibly earlier. I can't find the original source (looks like it was seemingly now defunct 'Accutane Active group'), but it's let to some interesting debate on a few threads/forums (the one below seems to include additional responses to the person who posted whats above, and some studies referenced);

http://www.acnearchives.com/1940

It's also been posted a number of times on acne.org, earliest in 2005, but surprisingly never in this thread.

Thanks for the further explanation. I will be seeing Prof. Melnik in 2 weeks. Melnik is author of the Iso Fox01 research paper: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3219165/

I am hoping to get some further insights, what leads to the long term impact of accutane.

Roland,
Ask what he thinks about copper and lithium in regards to accutane.
And where does he think the drug primarily would reside within the body

15 hours ago, MovingOnMusicGal said:

Great post. My responses in bold. Sorry for the hard to read formatting. The forum is being clunky right now..

Hi TrueJustice,
I don't adhere to the colon hydrotherapy before and after, other than making sure I'm moving my bowels/magnesium/oxypowder, etc. before the flush and then after the flush. I will at times do a water enema to ensure it is clear. I cannot afford colon hydrotherapy. I don't believe this is best practice, but it has worked for me. Also, I had candida prior to doing the liver flushes, so it's not causing that thankfully.

Yeah, magnesium oxide from products like oxypowder are good to use but ideally, everyone should do water enemas before and after. Essential to prevent hypertoxemia. There have been a few times where I did enemas a day after the flush and got out stones that were stuck in the colon muscle folds. Purelifeenema sells glass enema kits. I personally have acolema board which is amazing. It's almost as good as colon hydrotherapy at a clinic.
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Side note: on the copper route though, I do feel worse after copper supplementation (I've only done this sporadically to experiment, not taking it now). My joints clearly snap more, I have insomnia, and horrible joint pain. I have candida and I did read this in the article that someone posted:

"TMA studies have shown that chronic candidiasis is frequently associated with copper excess. Therefore, minerals and vitamins antagonistic to copper can be considered to have anti-fungal and anti-yeast properties".

I've found the opposite to be true. Copper is used by macrophages to defend against pathogens such as fungi. I think all the hair tissue mineral analysis practitioners see high amounts of copper coming out in high amounts in the hair of people who have fungal infections because their bodies have oxidized and used up tremendous amounts of copper and that's a safe way of excreting it. The same can be said for any other condition like Lyme infections. They are typically copper deficient but high amounts of copper come out in the hair.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3712485/
Copper deficiency impacts innate and acquired immune responses, suggesting that copper is likely to regulate the functions of multiple immune cell types [109]. As with the zinc literature, several studies have demonstrated that copper regulates macrophage antimicrobial functions. Macrophages from copper-deficient rats were unimpaired in their ability to phagocytose erythrocytes, but had a defective respiratory burst and were compromised in their ability to kill C. albicans [105]. In vitro studies also show that copper regulates macrophage antimicrobial pathways. Some of the first evidence for this again came from elemental analysis of macrophage phagosomes; the macrophage activating cytokines IFN and TNF promoted the accumulation of copper within the phagosomes of M. avium-infected macrophages [50], suggesting that this metal ion may have some role in macrophage antimicrobial responses. Consistent with this, exogenous copper promoted the bactericidal activity of IFN-treated RAW264.7 mouse macrophages against E. coli, and this effect was inhibited by the anti-oxidant ebselen [110]. This suggests that copper may contribute to ROS-dependent killing in macrophages, in keeping with the well-known capacity of Cu(I) to catalyse the generation of hydroxyl radical from H2O2. This study also showed that both IFN and LPS regulated copper-trafficking pathways in macrophages. Studies on the intramacrophage pathogen S. Typhimurium also provide functional evidence for a role in macrophage antimicrobial pathways. Infection of mouse macrophages with S.Typhimurium, as well as treatment with LPS, promoted the accumulation of copper within intracellular vesicles. This response peaked at about 14 h post-stimulation. Furthermore, a cell impermeable copper chelator (bathocuproinedisulfonic acid) reduced vesicular copper accumulation in macrophages, and this impaired the ability of primary mouse macrophages to kill S. Typhimurium [111]. The use of a Salmonellacopper-responsive promoter reporter strain also provided evidence that S. Typhimurium within macrophage phagosomes were subjected to an increase in copper levels [112]. Collectively, these studies suggest that copper may regulate both immediate and delayed macrophage antimicrobial pathways. Notably, whereas phagocytosis-induced ROS is an immediate response occurring within the first 30 min of particle uptake, TLR signalling also promotes a slower accumulation of ROS, which is derived from the mitochondria [113]. Hence, it is conceivable that the delayed vesicular accumulation of copper within macrophages in response to LPS could also contribute to this pathway of oxidative stress. It is also possible that inducible copper redistribution contributes to macrophage-mediated host defence by promoting the export of iron (discussed below). The potential mechanisms by which copper could contribute to pathogen clearance by macrophages are outlined in Figure 3.

Also, " Other conditions commonly observed with excessive tissue copper accumulation via TMA studies include chronic E.B.V. and C.M.V. infections, emotional disturbances (depressive disorders), hypoglycemia, fatigue, fibroid tumors, low blood pressure, transient high blood pressure, anorexia, PMS, AIDS, dermatosis, endometriosis, infertility, hair loss, type II insomnia, and frontal headaches"
....I experience almost all of these symptoms..and I recently showed signs of EBV on a blood test. I'm not adhering strongly to one side or the other, I honestly just don't know. But the few people that did have the hair mineral analysis done that I spoke to had copper in excess and when they minimized this over time they felt better. I really wants more answers.

I agree that excessive tissue copper accumulations can cause some of these issues but high tissue levels of copper are the result of something going awry in the first place. Copper toxicity isn't what caused our issues. It was something else (like high intakes of isolated retinoic acid). The same statement from above applies here: copper is being used up to attack the infections. It then deposits into the extracellular matrix and in the tissues where it's toxic. I personally have a cytomegalovirus (CMV) IgG level 4 times higher than normal indicating an active infection and my hair shows moderately high amounts of copper excretion. My hair analysis: http://bit.do/b5Aet.

I have emotional disturbances, fatigue, low blood pressure, hair loss, and frontal headaches. Is copper toxicity causing a lot of my issues? Very likely. Do I believe I need to avoid copper? No. I think my body needs more copper to offset the massive copper loss indicated by the hair test. Is supplementing with copper potentially dangerous? Possibly, if the ceruloplasmin cannot be synthesized by the liver for whatever reason. That's why experimentation is key.

I'm waiting for my test results on the copper. I want to believe that we all have copper deficiency and what has been discussed has made sense, butttt, I don't like playing Russian Roulette long-term now that I am feeling a little bit better.

Good choice to test before doing anything. It'd be wise to keep retesting CP levels while supplementing with copper. Ingesting copper without adequate CP levels COULD cause more oxidative damage. This is why I want people to try out homeopathic copper before supplementing with it.

I do believe that someone was trying to explain that the excess shows up in the hair analysis but that this may be due to a deficiency, as the body is not actively utilizing the copper. But I don't think I fully understood the explanation.

mercola:
"Amazingly, the most depleted minerals in our Lyme patients are often copper, magnesium, manganese (in Lyme) and iron (in Babesiosis).

Bb and Bartonella need magnesium to duplicate and deplete the hosts body rapidly. Copper and iron have all but disappeared from most of our supplements based on faulty interpretation of hair analysis. Your immune system uses those two metals in the process of phagocytosis. They are the main constituent of the enzymes (or bullets) your immune cells use in the battle against the invaders.

Oxidized used-up iron and copper get displaced into the extracellular compartment and body fluids, and appears in your hair and skin as thats your bodys most efficient way of excreting toxins without damaging your kidneys.

This has led to the dangerous, and in its consequence, catastrophic assumption that these metals are the enemy and need to be restricted.

It is true that oxidized metals pose a danger and have to be reduced (=substitution of electrons) or eliminated. However, when copper and iron are needed and substituted appropriately, major improvements have been observed. Appropriate antioxidant treatment can reduce these metals.

Homeopathic copper and iron leads to beneficial redistribution of these metals and makes them bio-available again."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23061404
Supplementation of the medium with iron or copper rendered the spirochaete more susceptible to peroxide killing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19870102
The addition of copper alone for a period of 2 months prior to and 1 month subsequent to splenectomy protected 63 per cent of the rats against Bartonella muris anemia.

Would love to hear what others have to say about my thoughts on copper. Disagree? Let's start up a dialogue.

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I am also taking molybdenum chelate by seeking health to help excrete free unbound copper.
Helps the transsulfuration pathway as well. I have problems with sulfur metabolism. I think I may have built up loads of sulfites in my system dueto poor SUOX functioning from sulfa drug usage (Bactrim) in the past.

33 minutes ago, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:

I am also taking molybdenum chelate by seeking health to help excrete free unbound copper.
Helps the transsulfuration pathway as well. I have problems with sulfur metabolism. I think I may have built up loads of sulfites in my system dueto poor SUOX functioning from sulfa drug usage (Bactrim) in the past.

you should really seek out a doctors opinion on your copper levels. you dont even need to mention accutane(actually dont, it seems like we all get discredited when we bring up the word) you could post something online to a ask a doctor website if you dont have the means to visit a doctor right now. I think we all need a outside opinion at this point. just say something along the effects that you had these blood test done and mention your serum copper, ceruloplasmin and free copper numbers and ask if any of these numbers are something to be concerned about. you could really speed up the whole process for us. hell maybe il just use your numbers and start asking around.

i just got another ceruloplasmin and serum copper test yesterday. prob be about a week until i get results .

heres something i found. The main source of copper for a unborn fetus in a mothers womb is free copper. We really need to find out what direction these copper numbers are going in since accutane.

Sorry, but I think that many user arereally hypochondriacs and very....lucky!

I do not understand people that lamentof small effects after a few weeks of use .

I think that the number 1 side effect of isotretinoin is totalmental and physical castration like my sistuation after many cycles,Who is not got to this effectstill has hopes for recovery. BUT when you become sexually dead by accutane you not have hopes, forever.

Guess what I just found by closely examining my facial hair? Copper! (I think) This would confirm my suspicions that I've lost incredible amounts of copper. However, now that I'm thinking about it, I have always had this sort of color in my hair even as a child. But it pretty much looks like copper to me.
I have Lyme by the way.

"Klinghardt also points out that usually people have enough internal copper stores for about 4-5 months but zinc knocks out copper. Copper is involved in Dopamine synthesis. There is a myth in American nutritional medicine that we are all copper toxic which is completely in conflict with the scientific literature. We need between 3-4 milligrams of copper per day, and what we have been getting is about .5 milligrams. When we have lyme disease the enzymes needed to fight lyme disease are all copper dependent enzymes. And when the immune system shoots off its ammunition, there is a lot of displaced copper which shows up in the hair analysis, but on a deep level we are depleted in it. Vitamin C and homeopathic copper helps recycle the oxidized copper and bring it back into the tissues where it is needed. The company which makes Klinghardts core protocol to address the Pyroluria issue is called Biopure PyroluriaPyroluriaPyro"

Pictures of my hair (with copper?): [Edited link out]
My hair is brown btw.
Why buy a hair tissue mineral analysis when you can just examine it with the naked eye, haha
Thoughts?

On 6/11/2016 at 3:33 AM, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:

Guess what I just found by closely examining my facial hair? Copper! I will post a pic soon. This would confirm my suspicions that I've lost incredible amounts of copper. However, now that I'm thinking about it, I have always had this sort of color in my hair even as a child. But it pretty much looks like copper to me.
I have Lyme by the way.

"Klinghardt also points out that usually people have enough internal copper stores for about 4-5 months but zinc knocks out copper. Copper is involved in Dopamine synthesis. There is a myth in American nutritional medicine that we are all copper toxic which is completely in conflict with the scientific literature. We need between 3-4 milligrams of copper per day, and what we have been getting is about .5 milligrams. When we have lyme disease the enzymes needed to fight lyme disease are all copper dependent enzymes. And when the immune system shoots off its ammunition, there is a lot of displaced copper which shows up in the hair analysis, but on a deep level we are depleted in it. Vitamin C and homeopathic copper helps recycle the oxidized copper and bring it back into the tissues where it is needed. The company which makes Klinghardts core protocol to address the Pyroluria issue is called Biopure PyroluriaPyroluriaPyro"

Pictures: [Edited link out]
Why buy a hair tissue mineral analysis when you can just examine in with the naked eye, haha
What do you guys/girls think?

I think we are going down the road to crazy train. refer back to my post 392

guitarman01,
You don't think I've mentioned it to my doctor? They don't know anything about copper dysregulation.
And I know it's hard to see in pictures compared to being up close in person but try to zoom in on the threads of hair that have the luster and color that exactly matches copper imo .

And what are you expecting a doctor to be able to tell me? Of course I have high amounts of unbound copper. I have all the signs. (symptoms & blood results).

On 6/11/2016 at 3:33 AM, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:

Guess what I just found by closely examining my facial hair? Copper! (I think) This would confirm my suspicions that I've lost incredible amounts of copper. However, now that I'm thinking about it, I have always had this sort of color in my hair even as a child. But it pretty much looks like copper to me.
I have Lyme by the way.

"Klinghardt also points out that usually people have enough internal copper stores for about 4-5 months but zinc knocks out copper. Copper is involved in Dopamine synthesis. There is a myth in American nutritional medicine that we are all copper toxic which is completely in conflict with the scientific literature. We need between 3-4 milligrams of copper per day, and what we have been getting is about .5 milligrams. When we have lyme disease the enzymes needed to fight lyme disease are all copper dependent enzymes. And when the immune system shoots off its ammunition, there is a lot of displaced copper which shows up in the hair analysis, but on a deep level we are depleted in it. Vitamin C and homeopathic copper helps recycle the oxidized copper and bring it back into the tissues where it is needed. The company which makes Klinghardts core protocol to address the Pyroluria issue is called Biopure PyroluriaPyroluriaPyro"

Pictures of my hair (with copper?): [Edited links out]
My hair is brown btw.
Why buy a hair tissue mineral analysis when you can just examine it with the naked eye, haha
Thoughts?

you are actually a nutjob.

marlin15,
Appreciate the constructive response.

[Edited link out]

Unlike you, I'm actually trying to uncover why we're all messed up. I'm not sure if copper is a part of this but there's definitely some imbalance in all of us when it comes to certain minerals. It could be that I've had copper dysregulation as a young child and accutane just amplified it ten-fold.

53 minutes ago, Ruvik said:

Sorry, but I think that many user arereally hypochondriacs and very....lucky!

I do not understand people that lamentof small effects after a few weeks of use .

I think that the number 1 side effect of isotretinoin is totalmental and physical castration like my sistuation after many cycles,Who is not got to this effectstill has hopes for recovery. BUT when you become sexually dead by accutane you not have hopes, forever.

I hear that. This place isn't for people who got hit with side effects like we did. Total bizzaro land when you are perfectly fine physically , but your mind and sex life are ruined and you have people telling you it is all because your liver has been clogged for over a decade. Get real, freaks!

I'm going to ask again:
Who here has NOT had low ceruloplasmin levels?
When one comes into high amounts of copper and becomes toxic with it, ceruloplasmin rises.

Our issue is a lack of production of ceruloplasmin resulting in too much unbound copper.
We need to find out why we cannot synthesize it.
Is it from a lack of cofactors like:
whole vitamin C (not ascorbic acid)
magnesium
riboflavin
copper
retinol
boron
biotin

http://heatherdane.com/myths-and-truths-about-minerals/
"To build ceruloplasmin:

• How much wholefood vitamin C to take aim for 500 mg to 800 mg."

On 6/11/2016 at 3:55 AM, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:

marlin15,
Appreciate the constructive response.

[Edited link out]

Unlike you, I'm actually trying to uncover why we're all messed up. I'm not sure if copper is a part of this but there's definitely some imbalance in all of us when it comes to certain minerals. It could be that I've had copper dysregulation as a young child and accutane just amplified it ten-fold.

It's funny you quote Schopenhauer as he is a man who possesses realist views on math and science, something that is severely lacking in this thread for the past 3 years, and is only hindered by the bullshit quackery of "field control therapy" and everything else you propose. Schopenhauer would have a nice laugh at that.

marlin15,
Ahh. I see where you're coming from. Didn't know you were one ofthosepeople.
I figured you had a lack of understanding of energy medicine. That's unfortunate. Go study your Merck manual and take some ibuprofen. You don't deserve to feel the healing effects of homeopathy.

3 minutes ago, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:

marlin15,
Ahh. I see where you're coming from. Didn't know you were one ofthosepeople.
I figured you had a lack of understanding of energy medicine. That's unfortunate. Go study your Merck manual and take some ibuprofen. You don't deserve to feel the healing effects of homeopathy.

Yep. I lack the understanding of energy medicine along with 99% of the scientific community. how do you figure.

Just wanted to provide more motivation for people to perform the liver & gallbladder flush:

Intrahepatic cholestasis (bile duct congestion of the liver) caused by vitamin A overdose:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19944093
The use of over-the-counter supplements is commonplace in today's health conscious society. We present an unusual case of intrahepaticcholestasiscaused by vitamin A intoxication. The patient consumed one Herbalife shake with two multivitamin tablets of the same brand for 12 years. When calculated this equated to more than the recommended daily allowance for vitamin A consumption. Deranged liver function tests were consistent with a cholestatic process. Liver biopsy was obtained and revealed features pathognomonic of vitamin A toxicity, without the usual fibrosis. When the supplements were ceased, his jaundice and alkaline phosphatase completely normalized. This case highlights the importance of health care providers documenting non-prescribed dietary supplements and considering them in the etiology of cholestatic liver disease.

Cholestasis and liver damage caused by accutane:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14978883
On routine light microscopy no abnormality was recognized. Electron microscopic examination revealed changes characteristic of vitamin A toxicity: hyperplasia of the perisinusoidal (Ito) cells with evidence of their activation and transformation, increased storage of lipids and vitamin A, perisinusoidal fibrosis, damage of the sinusoidal wall, partial necrosis in hepatocytes and an increased number of lysosomes, megalysosomes and smooth endoplasmic reticulum (SER), the signs of cholestasis as well as an increased number of Kupffer cells in the lobules etc. Histochemical examination showed a high content of vitamin A in the transitional (Ito) cells and in hepatocytes. These data led to further questioning of the patient who disclosed that he had acne conglobata which had been treated with Isotretionin, 20 mg/day, for more than half a year.

Been a while since I've been on here. Seems like the copper is still a big debate.

My functional medicine doctor who originally asked me to get my cooper levels tested diagnosed me with excess copper stored in my organs after the following testing:

RBC, 24 hour urine, Ceruloplasmin levels came back - Low

24 urine after DMSA - High 

Study from the British Journal of Medicine on the legitimacy of DMSA testing

[Edired link out[
So I've been chelating copper for 2 months. I haven't noticed any big improvements although I feel like I get less wandering thoughts. Nothing huge though. The biggest thing is I defienlty don't feel worse. He doesn't want to me to go any longer than 2 months as he doesn't think it's that big huge of an issue. 

I've started supplementing VSL #3 over the past month but haven't noticed a big difference. Probitocis usually take a few months to really start working. 

Another thing is I've been taking this liver detox supplement called DT Matrix. 

[Edited link out]

I've noticed an big increase in dry mouth throughout the day and eye dryness/blurry vision upon waking up in the morning. I wonder if it's pushing Accutane out of my liver and into my blood stream? As soon as I come off this supplement the dry mouth goes way and the eye dryness/ blurry vision improves dramatically.  

Also I've had some blood work thats came back recently with quite a few things flagged:

: 
My white blood cell count have been chronically low since Accutane. Which it seems like alot of us have. My ANA has came back at 1:80 almost consistently now for the last few years. I've seen a rhumetologist about it in December of 2014 and after further testing I wasn't diagnosed with anything. 

I'm seeing my functional medicine doctor for a follow up in a week. Get his thoughts on some of these tests and some of the new things that have been brought up here like that video from YouTube. Seems promising. If anyone else wants to send me anything to ask (research papers,theories etc) just send it my way. 

Lastly what was the conclusion as to why heavy drinking sometimes clears our symptoms for a bit? I'm still really interested in this. Thanks. 
 

marlin15,
Lift the veil.
https://www.youtube.com/user/homeopathyresearch/videos

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18575720 CancerpatientstreatedwiththeBanerjiprotocolsutilisinghomoeopathicmedicine:aBestCaseSeriesProgramoftheNationalCancerInstituteUSA.BanerjiP1,CampbellDR,BanerjiP.AuthorinformationAbstractAlthoughmanystudieshavebeenconductedontheroleofalternativemedicineinthetreatmentofcancer,onlyafewreportshavebeenpublishedregardingthetotalregressionofmalignanttumors.AtthePBHResearchFoundation(PBHRF),twooftheauthorshaveusedhomoeopathictherapytotreatmanypatientswithvariousmalignanttumors.TheobjectiveofthepresentstudywastohavetheirtreatmentproceduresevaluatedandvalidatedbytheUnitedStates(US)NationalCancerInstitute(NCI)BestCaseSeries(BCS)Program.LungandoesophagealcarcinomapatientsweretreatedwithhomoeopathicremediesatthePBHRFaccordingtoBanerji'sprotocoluntiltherewascompleteregressionofthetumors.Caserecordsincludingpathologyandradiologyreportsfor14patientsweresubmittedforreviewbytheUSNCIBCSProgram.FourofthesecaseshadanindependentconfirmationofthediagnosisandradiographicresponseandwereacceptedassufficientinformationfortheNCItoinitiatefurtherinvestigation.Thesefourcasesarepresentedindetailinthisreportalongwithfollow-upandoutcomeinformation.ThisstudydescribestheprocessandoutcomeofaselectedcaseseriesreviewthroughtheNCIBCSProgram.TheresultsofthereviewweredeemedtobesufficienttowarrantNCI-initiatedprospectiveresearchfollow-upintheformofanobservationalstudy.PMID:18575720[PubMed-indexedforMEDLINE]

Gerald Pollack gives a great overview of the politics involved with homeopathy and science:
https://www.bulletproofexec.com/gerald-pollack-its-not-liquid-its-water-304/

Bobby.Digital,
Thanks for sharing all that info. Great stuff!

The weird immune system markers indicate infectious agents are present or there's a major mineral problem.
Your blood work looks like mine.
Neutropenia can be caused from copper deficiency. Be careful with the DMSA as it can pull out functional minerals.
Lithium deficiency can cause low WBCs, platelets, and neutrophils as well
I'm assuming you don't remember your dreams at all. This would relate to infections as well. Prevents you from having the building blocks for serotonin and melatonin.

Regarding your accutane and alcohol ingestion question:
[Edited link out]

On 6/11/2016 at 4:58 AM, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:

Bobby.Digital,
Thanks for sharing all that info. Great stuff!

The weird immune system markers indicate infectious agents are present or there's a major mineral problem.
Your blood work looks like mine.
Neutropenia can be caused from copper deficiency. Be careful with the DMSA as it can pull out functional minerals.
Lithium deficiency can cause low WBCs, platelets, and neutrophils as well
I'm assuming you don't remember your dreams at all. This would relate to infections as well. Prevents you from having the building blocks for serotonin and melatonin.

Regarding your accutane and alcohol ingestion question:
[Edited link out]

Cool thanks for sending.

As for the DMSA I've only used it once for the test. Im using Tetrathiomolybdate to chelate the copper. It doesn't touch any other minerals.

I've always felt I've had some type if low grade infection.

Also does anyone here suffer from large amounts food intolerances? I can only eat a few foods. If I eat a food that I'm sensitive too I get a mass amount of headpressure and bloating. The headpressure is absolute hell. Eating has become to boring to me I'm actually starting to get sick of eating the same things.

YetAnother were you the one saying you cured alot of your food intolerances by liver flushing? I'm defienlty going to start soon.

1 hour ago, Bobby.Digital said:

Im using Tetrathiomolybdate to chelate the copper.

isnt this actually considered a pretty potent prescription drug that requires monitoring? have you had your copper levels retested since you have been on this for 2 months?

1 hour ago, Bobby.Digital said:

Cool thanks for sending.

As for the DMSA I've only used it once for the test. Im using Tetrathiomolybdate to chelate the copper. It doesn't touch any other minerals.

I've always felt I've had some type if low grade infection.

Also does anyone here suffer from large amounts food intolerances? I can only eat a few foods. If I eat a food that I'm sensitive too I get a mass amount of headpressure and bloating. The headpressure is absolute hell. Eating has become to boring to me I'm actually starting to get sick of eating the same things.

YetAnother were you the one saying you cured alot of your food intolerances by liver flushing? I'm defienlty going to start soon.

Yes, liver flushing helped eliminate many of my extremely severe food intolerances. I still can't eat crap like wheat but I'm not writhing in pain from a single gluten protein. Once the liver is decongested, many foods become tolerable again. This is backed up by MANY testimonials. Also, parasites are known to induce gluten sensitivity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1885068
There were no changes in the jejunal mucosa of BALB/c mice fed a gluten containing diet after having been parenterally immunized. When, however, mice were parenterally immunised with gliadin, fed a gluten containing diet, rendered hypersensitive to helminth antigen by infection with the nematode parasite Nippostrongylus brasiliensis, and challenged intravenously to produce intestinal anaphylaxis crypt cell production rate was significantly higher than in ovalbumin immunized controls at 12 days after parasite challenge.

Head pressure can come from too much sulfur not being properly metabolized. It can also be from vitamin A toxicity.

I would prefer you use molybdenum (like a glycinate chelate) instead of the thing you're using. It's still highly effective for getting rid of copper.

More on copper:
Dr John R.J. Sorenson at theUniversityofArkansashas done most of the pioneering research work on copper complexes. In one of his publications he states that with the exception of Wilson's disease, there are no chronic degenerative diseases in man known to result from non-industrial exposure to copper.

I suggest everyone questioning copper intake look over the links posted below:
http://www.unveilingthem.com/CopperTheMalignedMineral.ht m" rel="external nofollow"> https://web.archive.org/web/20080217235121/http://www.unveilingthem.com/CopperTheMalignedMineral.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_depopu24.htm

Copper deficiency causes "variant" malformed, missing, damaged DNA/proteins, and is responsible for virtually EVERY "disease" and symptom manifesting now, accelerating aging and death.

• Parkinsons

• Alzheimers

• MS

• mental depression

• diabetes

• autism

• other neurological diseases

• ADD, ADHD

• pancreatic & digestive problems

• vision problems

• hemophilia

• bleeding disorders

• anemia

• low hormone production

• Cystic Fibrosis

• many other birth defects

• cancer

• bone & muscle degenerative conditions

• shortened lifespan

• heart/cardiovascular disease

• heart attack

• stroke

• allergies

• respiratory illness

• kidney disease,

...and the list goes on.

39 minutes ago, guitarman01 said:

2 hours ago, Bobby.Digital said:

Im using Tetrathiomolybdate to chelate the copper.

isnt this actually considered a pretty potent prescription drug that requires monitoring? have you had your copper levels retested since you have been on this for 2 months?

Its actuslly really safe. But yeah I had my blood drawn last week and I'm still waiting on the results.

8 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said:

Its actuslly really safe. But yeah I had my blood drawn last week and I'm still waiting on the results.

Well let us know man. Thanks