I believe that the Andreas Moritz liver cleanse is real and that the stones aren't just clumps of oil/fat etc. The question on whether the stones are real or not is addressed in the Q & A section at the back of the book. I've only done two cleanses thus far..... the stones in the picture on previous page are EXACTLY what comes out, however I did not pass any stones on my second cleanse....is my liver now free of stones?.....I won't know the answer till I do my third cleanse. ( I want to do Kidney cleanse next before another Liver cleanse )

To those thinking of doing the cleanse, as Moritz say's - you've got to follow the guidelines to the letter. For me the first one was a bit daunting, the whole idea of being hooked up to a machine having my bowel cleansed for 45 min twice within a week was scary.Having now done over 6 Hydrotherapy sessions, I'm much more confident and relaxed during the process. Drinking the oil and epsom salt and going hungry for a few days was not an issue. Even if you read his book and decided not to do the cleanse, I'm sure you'll find the information he offers to be pretty accurate in terms of rejuvenating the body and minimising stress in your life.

I'm by no means there yet but i do find his teachings to ring true. To those who've made big dietary changes i.e becoming a vegetarian, I tip my hat to you. I find it really hard to cut meat out of my diet, I'm doing my best to minimise it and plan on making 2015 a more disciplined year in terms of what I choose to eat.

The other thing I wanted to say is, I think our stomachs are in need of repair post Accutane. I mean if it can in extreme cases result in people having to remove their Colon, what do you think it did to the lining of our stomachs when we ingested it??

I can go another year spending thousands of dollars on supplements etc but if my stomach is an "Intestinal Apocalypse" am I really absorbing and receiving any benefit ( same applies when eating healthy food )

The "Leaky Gut" syndrome might still need addressing, candida overgrowth might only be part of it. I'm beginning to think that in destroying my gut lining I exposed myself to some sort of virus that I haven't healed from. The aching muscles/joints and the fatigue I get sure feel virus like to me??!!

Might see a Gastroenterologist next year, although I'll preempt and say they'll probably only give me antibiotics which will further destroy the gut?. Getting out of this mess sure is hard - I hope that next year brings some major healing to all of us damaged from

the evil that is Accutane.....best of luck to all in 2015.

Note: To those in this world still selling this poison to innocent people knowing full well the damage it does....I give you my middle finger......enjoy the inescapable KARMA coming your way!!

Not to be rude, but the stones aren't, by scientific proof, real regardless of your uneducated belief in the matter. You can't really tell me that I should look in the back of the book of the guy who invented this cleanse to know that it is real. Of course he'll tell you that it is real since he is endorsing it to begin with.

I don't think anyone of us (in our state of mind) should read a book about a guy that says horses get their protein by breathing. Please don't think that every doctor is evil and will only give you antibiotics. This is a common mistake once you start reading all this 'holistic' literature. Understand, that both side are trying to make money, and both sides have bad people who practice it. If you find a 'bad' doctor, you might also find a 'bad' holistic quack. However, you can also find great doctors, and good holistic practitioners. The gastro expert will go through every possible venue, he will work with real methods to understand what ails you. I really do recommend you go, even if you want to continue doing all of these cleanses, you can still get additional help.

All I see when you talk about this is that you are deeply agitated and scared. Try not to believe everything you hear it will literally drive you crazy. I get psychological help, and it has helped immensely and you might consider that too.

All medicine have side effects, unfortunately, and although it is not excuse to what you are going through I don't know if you can just stop taking medicin altogether. My aunts husband's brother has cancer currently, and he is the only one the doctor has seen with so few, if any, side effects. Why? The only thing different about him is the fact that he just doesn't care that he is undergoing chemo. He just shrugs his shoulders and says 'yeah' haha. He keeps eating super unhealthy and only lies in his couch watching TV. So yeah, what is going on here?

I do believe this frantically searching, and all these cleanses if anything makes us more agitated, scared and frustrated at the system (Western medicin). We become more isolated. We stop believing real people instead go online or read a book by this 'Mortiz' guy who takes advantage of this fact.

 

>>I have many dollars to spend. I will find a solution.

awesome haha

bravo.

it seems everyone is skipping from one potential cure to another... trying 20 different things at once.

Listen , it goes without saying, if liver and kidney flushes even remotely worked... this wouldve been solved 15 years ago. it doesnt , and it wont.

there is a cure... and i think for myself, im on the correct path... IT WILL JUST TAKE SOME TIME!!! it took fourth + months for accutane to ruin you, it will take at least that long for any substance to have a potential effect on you.

my advice to everyone on here... stick to ONE protocol and see it thru and rule it out.

I agree about seeing the protocol through and not moving onto different protocols one after the other. I do think that it will take time to have an effect. However, I prefer to take a pleiotropic approach to healing. I think it is the combination of everything that will get us the results. Perfect diet, lifestyle, stress management, detoxification, sleep, hormonal balance, manganese protocol, liver flushes, colon cleanses etc...

But if it's too stressful on someone to do everything at once, they should just stick to one thing. I've slowly built up the list of things I'm trying. I didn't just jump into everything all at once. That wouldn't be sustainable.

What does everyone think about the theory of accutane storing in our colons? I just can't see how we could still be affected years later if it wasn't inside of us.

post from here

If anyone has any input on this, do share.

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I'm really worried that I won't be able to get through this. If I can't heal, I can't go through life like this..

 

I hate to even hear about some people's stories where accutane backfired like some i've read in this thread. I wish it worked well for all!

NO side effects??!?!?!

I definitely have/had side effects. But some of the things I read in this thread were how people were struggling with a lot more than just dry skin after taking accutane and that sucks, which is all I was trying to say.

Activated Charcoal will bind any toxins in your small intestine and colon.

Uses of Charcoal

- Hospitals commonly use it as an emergency decontaminant in the gastrointestinal (GI) tract, which includes the stomach and intestines. Activated charcoal is considered to be the most effective single agent available. It is used after a person swallows or absorbs almost any toxic drug or chemical.
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If people believe in frequency regeneration look toward:

Pulsed electromagnetic field therapy

Today my Dr recommended Accutane for my treatment since what I have been using for the last 2 years has lost it's effectiveness. I am not a person who uses OTC or Prescription drugs so I wanted to research the side effects before I commit to it. The only prescription I use is for my acne and do not even take Tylenol. After reading the threads I am 95% sure I have decided NOT to go on Accutane but as I was reading through the thread I notice a lot of holistic/herbal items being used. Has anyone used essential oils for help? I currently use them for my everyday needs and I would like to look into or get insight if you have used to help with the Accutane side effects. I will be doing the liver cleanse next month and wonder if the use of EO (Especially the Nigxia Red daily drink) while taking Accutane would help combat any side effects if I did choose to take this route. Also, when you had the hair loss... was it like a cancer treatment hair loss or was it an increase in the daily shed? I want to make an informed decision and after reading all of this, I am terrified of the drug. But I am so miserable with this painful adult onset cycstic acne. TIA

Today my Dr recommended Accutane for my treatment since what I have been using for the last 2 years has lost it's effectiveness. I am not a person who uses OTC or Prescription drugs so I wanted to research the side effects before I commit to it. The only prescription I use is for my acne and do not even take Tylenol. After reading the threads I am 95% sure I have decided NOT to go on Accutane but as I was reading through the thread I notice a lot of holistic/herbal items being used. Has anyone used essential oils for help? I currently use them for my everyday needs and I would like to look into or get insight if you have used to help with the Accutane side effects. I will be doing the liver cleanse next month and wonder if the use of EO (Especially the Nigxia Red daily drink) while taking Accutane would help combat any side effects if I did choose to take this route. Also, when you had the hair loss... was it like a cancer treatment hair loss or was it an increase in the daily shed? I want to make an informed decision and after reading all of this, I am terrified of the drug. But I am so miserable with this painful adult onset cycstic acne. TIA

Is that profile picture your real face? If so, stay the hell away from accutane.

What acne?

I finally found some supplements that have completely eliminated some of my accutane symptoms and greatly reduced the severity and frequency of all my other symptoms. I've been hesitant to post anything until I've been sure these supplements have improved my symptoms in the long-term.

I've had continued improvement for the past 5 months, since August 8th 2014. I began taking Hyaluronic acid, liquid supplement, in recommended doses back in early July for the joint relief. It worked very well and my skin and eyes became more and more hydrated. August 1st I began taking a B-Vitamin Complex supplement that includes all the major B-Vitamins. This hydrated my body and allowed me to retain water for the first time since I started having severe Accutane side effects back in October 2012. I then began sunbathing as much as my skin could handle to get as much Vitamin D as possible. The first 2 days my symptoms seemed to worsen but after reading a recent study on chickens and how Vitamin D countered acted Vitamin A overdose in them and caused the chickens to excrete Vitamin A from their liver stores, I was not worried. The article stated the the chickens exhibited more severe symptoms of Vitamin A overdose first before their symptoms subsided and they began to excrete the Vitamin A.

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-on-trial-does-vitamin-a-cause-osteoporosis/#ainterfered

 

After sunbathing for about 1hr every other day for one week then 1hr and 30min for another 4 days every day I noticed huge improvement in all my symptoms Brainfog cleared, joint pain greatly decreased to where I could weight lift like I used to before the accutane. Face produced natural oil again and my sex drive came back in full swing. The brainfog began to lift after the second day of sunbathing. After 2 weeks my side effects slowly began to return. I went to my local health food store and got lanolin-based gel caps of Vitamin D3. I continued to sunbathe and took about 25,000 IU - 35,000 IU per day after reviewing the Vitamin D Counsel's recommended daily intake suggestions. My symptoms improved ridiculously after I started taking the Vitamin D3 in large dosages, I continued the regimen of Hyaluronic acid and B-Vitamins. I also began taking Zinc, selenium, Vitamin K (liquid gel caps K2). By September 5th, my 4th week of Vitamin D doses, I upped my daily intake to 100,000 IU for about 10 days. I took a break from the supplements for about 4 weeks and my symptoms did not return until early October. Brainfog and vision problems occurred occasionally ( once per week, sometimes absent for 2 whole weeks at a time).

I'm one week why of 5 months and my symptoms have continued to improve. I believe the Hyaluronic acid and B-vitamins helped to greatly hydrate my body resulting in small intestinal mucosal lining improving and hydrating as well. I believe this allowed me to absorb the Vitamin D3 (lanolin based) causing my liver to expel the Accutane (cis-13 retinoic acid). Vitamin D and A compete for cell receptors all over the body. The article I posted the link to explains this.

This is what im talking about! somebody sticks to something and reports what works and what doesnt!

Be careful with the vitamin D ... and im glad you mentioned Vitamin K2. There was an old accutane forum, thats gone now, with others trying Vitamin D with great initial success, only to have worse pains later. I think what they missed was the vitamin K2. Without the K2 telling your body where to put the calcium after taking Vitamin D, i think some wound up in their joints. Accutane alters vitamin K2 levels, thats been proven.

There is no doubt we have a collagen problem.... that is the "dried" out feeling we all have. All of you know by now, im going about that a different way with manganese. i think this is the cofactor for the GAG Hyaluronic acid thats missing. I believe some of us suffer from fatty livers, where the drug can be stored for years, hence the Mn and choline. I think hyaluronic acid supplementation is a positive thing...but is a temporary mask to the problem. Think about it, we didnt have to take HA for our joints before the drug...our bodies should be producing this naturally! So then the $64,000 question is... what is the rate limiting factor stopping our body from staying hydrated?

and then why did your symptoms return? if you expelled the accutane by taking vitamin D , it shouldnt have. if you alltered the gene expression, it shouldnt have reverted back to the side effects without taking accutane again.

theres a reason Mn is in all of the joint formulas. http://www.google.com/patents/US5364845

"Finally, the composition includes manganese ascorbate which acts as a catalyst in absorption and in the production of both proteoglycans and collagens.

The provision of manganese ascorbate along with chondroitin sulfate in the composition of the present invention provides synergistic effects in that the manganese acts as a cofactor for catalyzing the conversion of the glucosamine into hyaluronic acid. The manganese further acts as a cofactor which, in combination with the sulfate (SO₄), provides synergistic effects in converting the glucosamine into GAG's necessary for cartilage."

Today my Dr recommended Accutane for my treatment since what I have been using for the last 2 years has lost it's effectiveness. I am not a person who uses OTC or Prescription drugs so I wanted to research the side effects before I commit to it. The only prescription I use is for my acne and do not even take Tylenol. After reading the threads I am 95% sure I have decided NOT to go on Accutane but as I was reading through the thread I notice a lot of holistic/herbal items being used. Has anyone used essential oils for help? I currently use them for my everyday needs and I would like to look into or get insight if you have used to help with the Accutane side effects. I will be doing the liver cleanse next month and wonder if the use of EO (Especially the Nigxia Red daily drink) while taking Accutane would help combat any side effects if I did choose to take this route. Also, when you had the hair loss... was it like a cancer treatment hair loss or was it an increase in the daily shed? I want to make an informed decision and after reading all of this, I am terrified of the drug. But I am so miserable with this painful adult onset cycstic acne. TIA

please, dont take it.

take a good probiotic (NOW brand 25 bil 10 strain) and a balanced zinc supplement ( 10:1 Zn/cu and a little Mn) if i had it to do over again, i wouldve stuck with this. you will see results

Hey guys I was wondering if I could get some clarification regarding the Manganese/choline supplements.

It has been about 2 weeks since I started at 12.5mg/day, 250mg choline/day. My joint popping has significantly improved although is still not perfect, my skin is still very dry all over although has reduced slightly, and I am getting bloody boogers (same as on accutane).

Is the idea that the manganese has taken the accutane out of "storage" and caused it to flow throughout my body again? Do you think the accutane like symptoms will eventually stop on the manganese supplements? Would the stopping of the symptoms be an indicator that accutane is being expelled from my body?

Hey guys I was wondering if I could get some clarification regarding the Manganese/choline supplements.

It has been about 2 weeks since I started at 12.5mg/day, 250mg choline/day. My joint popping has significantly improved although is still not perfect, my skin is still very dry all over although has reduced slightly, and I am getting bloody boogers (same as on accutane).

Is the idea that the manganese has taken the accutane out of "storage" and caused it to flow throughout my body again? Do you think the accutane like symptoms will eventually stop on the manganese supplements? Would the stopping of the symptoms be an indicator that accutane is being expelled from my body?

yeah this is where it could get worse. I think anything that will truly make us better, will make us worse first by mobilizing the drug out of our system. Theoretically, Mn should produce more of the enzyme to bind the metabolites out. Choline should start to mobilize the fat in the liver.

i would try this... skip a day on Mn.... and then come back with 20mg for a day... and see how it feels...skip 3 days , and come back with 30mg. we might have to take a lot more than 30mg. a lot of studies show only 5% of whatever Mn you take in gets absorbed.

With regard to the "miracle cleanse", I want to say again, I don't think it's an absolute cure for an Accutane victim. All I'm wanting to do is have a clean liver and I'm open to following Andreas' way of doing it. If someone could prove to me that his way is somehow damaging or harmful I'd stop doing them. And yes it's true I'm probably lacking the education that other people have on the subject, infact I probably know about as much as the people who've successfully completed the cleanses and regained their health from all sorts of debiltating conditions!!? I'm just open to the idea of even being 10% better off from doing them at this stage.

At the end of the day after 16 years of this crap I just want a clean liver and yes, there are other ways of doing it that others might suggest - That's great, if it works for you go for it!!. With regard to the Western system of medicine, it would be ignorant of me to say it's all crap. Both sides have good and bad practicioners, my frustration like many have stated on this board is the lack of acknowledment from doctors ( western system ) that Accutane has any side effects etc. Isn't it just great when you go to your GP about your problems and thier solution is:

Liver Problem - Take Milk Thistle

Fatigue - Take more vitamin C

Eye Floaters - Just an age thing, take Vitamin E

How brilliant of them, thanks so much for all the wisdom.....it's just mindless!

For me personally my psychological problems might be eased if there was just a tad more acknowledgement that Accutane might have messed me up a bit ( any GP will do!! ) Untill then, I will continue to do the things I have control over i.e eating, exercise, yoga, meditation, also trying to be grateful for the things I have in life.

I do my best and yes I do get very agitated.On this matter,does anyone know about treating depression etc outside of taking any form of drugs or supplements. What else might be available that people know is effective??

Liver Problem - Take Milk Thistle

Fatigue - Take more vitamin C

Eye Floaters - Just an age thing, take Vitamin E

How brilliant of them, thanks so much for all the wisdom.....it's just mindless!

its funny, there is a grain of truth in everything they recommended.

Milk thistle = High Mn and Choline content

C and E need this to work

The only supplement that has the ability to help us is UDCA. The methylation / manganese thing isn't the answer. It's a condition of toxicity the more vitamin A you eat the more it accumulates. The best advice for those that have a problem with consuming vitamin A, is staying away from all retinol in food. Thats the only universal truth. For some reason accutane destroys the bowels and it destroys the livers ability to produce bile. Any retinol taken past this point will accumulate, thats why you have posters saying they feel their brain rewiring when they take cod liver oil, it's not a good thing, your literally poisoning yourself, your body is sending you signs to stop.

 

For some reason accutane destroys the bowels and it destroys the livers ability to produce bile.

"For some reason" being the operative words. This is where you dont have an answer. You have no idea what the answer is, or ISN'T. So to say anything isnt the answer, without anything to refute it... is ridiculous. This is what we're all trying to fix.. and until you can give me an answer, i will continue with my theory. i wont produce all of the studies over and over and over showing why i think im right, but i will admit, bile is a secondary part of the problem. UDCA is just another way to try and treat cholestasis, a band-aid. what im trying to do, is use the cofactors your body naturally uses to do the same thing, and also bind the metabolite as its mobilized. We produce bile...if we didnt, we would be long dead by now. Staying away from the retinol in food the rest of your life simply isnt the answer. ive tried it. its another band-aid. its not natural, its not right....it just isnt.

actually, i think it mightve hurt us. for (20) years, i wouldnt eat the yolks of any eggs.... only egg whites, trying to avoid the vitamin A. By doing this, I also avoided the natural Choline from the yolks (also probably producing a vitamin B imbalance from the avidin.) Many theories are out there saying fatty livers are increasing because we've been taught to fear the cholesterol and fat from egg yolks and raw butter... the two biggest suppliers of choline in our diet.

BTW , ive taken several bottles of TUDCA (taurine conjugated UDCA) in the past... no effect whatsoever. unless you have the actual cofactor to produce the UGT enzyme to bind the metabolite... mobilizing the bile, will just get it recycled again. Even if liver flushes worked, you would run into the same problem.

I keep picturing the liver as a giant kitchen sink...and accutane is a cement that has filled up our Vitamin A bin, without our bodies realizing/recognizing this...and by eating anything with vitamin A in it, will cause this bin to overflow much more easily, causing side effects. Vitamin A isnt the true problem....we need to jackhammer the cement out.

again.... bile/mn/choline.

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/tmj-disorder-temporomandibular-joint/570179-how-i-fixed-my-tmj-fatigue.html

Manganese (with the other recommended vitamins) has increased my hair shedding, skin shedding, increased head pressure, and made me have a bloody nose. Lovely. I may need to take a break from this regimen.

What about Rick Simpson Oil????

I thought some people cured their side effects using it.

We need to come to a conclusion.

So have any of the finastride people linked up with scientists who studied the drug? We have all the studies into accutane by the scientific community, yet steps are not taken or people are not recognized as a direct link with the drug, although there is science to prove its adverse affects. For the people who wish to spend money and time trying to heal, why not put that energy into getting into a room with someone that has conducted studies on the drug? I'm just sayin-if you're gunna spend the energy, go to the source. If all these studies show up downregulated this and that. . Yadi yadi fuckin yadi, why can't they listen to the people who experience the same problems they discover in their trials and give a probable reason-perhaps method of cure? There's no money in it-I get it, but there are some saints left and I have to believe someone, just one, might help.

I am willing to look at this as a problem that can't be fixed like illnesses that don't result due to drugs but god damnit were not gunna do it on our own. That's been my opinion from day 1 14 years ago so it's easier than having hope that I'll cure it. My hope is that it won't progress to the point I cannot handle it anymore.

So have any of the finastride people linked up with scientists who studied the drug? We have all the studies into accutane by the scientific community, yet steps are not taken or people are not recognized as a direct link with the drug, although there is science to prove its adverse affects. For the people who wish to spend money and time trying to heal, why not put that energy into getting into a room with someone that has conducted studies on the drug? I'm just sayin-if you're gunna spend the energy, go to the source. If all these studies show up downregulated this and that. . Yadi yadi fuckin yadi, why can't they listen to the people who experience the same problems they discover in their trials and give a probable reason-perhaps method of cure? There's no money in it-I get it, but there are some saints left and I have to believe someone, just one, might help.

 

I am willing to look at this as a problem that can't be fixed like illnesses that don't result due to drugs but god damnit were not gunna do it on our own. That's been my opinion from day 1 14 years ago so it's easier than having hope that I'll cure it. My hope is that it won't progress to the point I cannot handle it anymore.

I agree. It's time to take this further.

Scientists, Studies, and a CURE.

I don't care what the cure is, let's just find one.

It should be illegal to sell ANY DRUG without the antidote or how to reverse the side effects.

Andreas Moritz is pretty out there.

Taken from an archived post about testosterone accutane.

Accutane reduces the levels of testosterone receptors in your body. The article below applies this to the skin - which must account for a lot of testosterone reception as the skin is a large area of the human body - but what's to say that this doesn't occur for all testosterone receptors in the body?

You will test normal on testosterone level and DHT after taking Accutane. However, the message is going around, but no-one is there to receive it: the receptors for the testosterone in your body are decreased 2.6 fold by Accutane, as proved below. And this is just after 3 months. Rather than the removal of your balls from the outside of your body, your ability to receive the testosterone is removed from the inside of your body.

Effect of oral isotretinoin treatment on skin androgen receptor levels in male acneic patients

P Boudou, H Soliman, M Chivot, JM Villette, P Vexiau, A Belanger and J Fiet

Department of Hormonal Biology, St. Louis University Hospital, Paris, France.

'Androgen receptor status was investigated in back skin biopsies obtained in acne areas before and after 3 months of isotretinoin treatment. The treatment did not modify the binding affinity constant of skin androgen receptor (0.44 vs. 0.32 nmol/L), but it did induce a 2.6-fold decrease in its binding capacity constant (62 vs. 24 fmol/mg cytosolic protein), as assessed by Scatchard plot and confirmed immunologically by Western blot analysis. These data clearly showed that skin androgen receptor was sensitive to oral isotretinoin administration in acneic patients. The decrease in skin androgen receptor levels (this study) and the recently reported suppression of skin 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone production by isotretinoin treatment appeared consistent with the involvement of androgen receptor and 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone in the pathogenesis of acne. Indeed, sebum production is under androgen control, and an abnormal response of the pilosebaceous unit to androgens appears to be implicated in the pathogenesis of acne. These observations were consistent with the absence of sebum in complete androgen-insensitive patients and normal sebum production in male pseudohermaphrodites.'

Rick Simpsons Oil / Phoenix Tears Oil / Hash Oil

-Going to call them later today

http://www.phoenixtearsfoundation.com/cannabis-chart/

Also:

https://www.google.com/search?q=13+cis+retinoic+acid&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&q=13+cis+retinoic+acid+epigenetics

Look at all those studies geeez.

Manganese (with the other recommended vitamins) has increased my hair shedding, skin shedding, increased head pressure, and made me have a bloody nose. Lovely. I may need to take a break from this regimen.

what exactly are you taking? how much, and when?

sounds like youre moving something around.

 

Manganese (with the other recommended vitamins) has increased my hair shedding, skin shedding, increased head pressure, and made me have a bloody nose. Lovely. I may need to take a break from this regimen.

what exactly are you taking? how much, and when?

sounds like youre moving something around.

I'm also very interested in this. Does seem like something is being stirred up in you. I hope you are definitely sure the symptoms are newly caused from the recent introduction of manganese (along with the other vitamins). I've been taking about 15mg manganese/day and B vitamins with loads of egg yolks lately and don't really notice a difference. Maybe go a couple weeks without taking the supps and then reintroduce them heavily and see what happens.

- Everyone go pick up Terry Wahl's book (just came out with updated paperback yesterday). It's the most nutrient dense diet you could possibly eat. Would definitely help us if we could follow that eating strategy.

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Just wanted to ask again:

**Who here has MAJOR debilitating symptoms from the accutane that DID NOT take antibiotics around the time of it?

I'm just wondering if a lot of my symptoms might not be from the accutane but instead from the antibiotics causing some sort of chronic infection.

Perhaps the accutane ruined our gut healing potential which ruined our immune system opening the gates to chronic infections..

There are a lot of things I haven't tested accurately for yet like mycoplasmas, lyme (and co-infections such as bartonella, babesia, ehrlichia, etc), HHV-6, epstein-barr, and so on... These things can cause things similar to the accutane.

I know during the treatment my appetite completely went away. It was horrible. Seems like that would be more caused by the antibiotics and not the accutane. Unless someone else here experienced the same thing who did not take antibiotics. I took Bactrim btw.

Sidenote: I wonder why my platelet count continuously got lowered throughout my accutane treatment and now stays low. You can check it out in my signature.

 

Manganese (with the other recommended vitamins) has increased my hair shedding, skin shedding, increased head pressure, and made me have a bloody nose. Lovely. I may need to take a break from this regimen.

what exactly are you taking? how much, and when?

sounds like youre moving something around.

Moving stuff around is never a good thing, zinc moves stuff around, eating vitamin A moves stuff around they are both detrimental in my experience. The problem is how is it going to move out when the bile acid transporters have been down regulated due to the toxic effect of the drug?

 

Manganese (with the other recommended vitamins) has increased my hair shedding, skin shedding, increased head pressure, and made me have a bloody nose. Lovely. I may need to take a break from this regimen.

what exactly are you taking? how much, and when?

sounds like youre moving something around.

Moving stuff around is never a good thing, zinc moves stuff around, eating vitamin A moves stuff around they are both detrimental in my experience. The problem is how is it going to move out when the bile acid transporters have been down regulated due to the toxic effect of the drug?

bile acid transporters? you mean like the ability to secrete bile? I secrete loads of bile. My diet is like +60% fat and I don't have any fat malabsorption. Also, the liver flush excreted a lot of bile into my stool. Read tryingtohelp2014's post #6045. He knows what he's talking about

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I want to add something. Maybe that is a key to another step to find a solution or it is just a fortuity.

One year after end accutane treatment I had another but it was a treatment caused by long stomach problems - not related with accutane.

This treatment had been lasted for one year and at least one medicine caused fast libido decrease.

I suppose that this medicine could react with the rest of accutane in my organism.

The list of substances (in medicines) I took that time:

- sucralfatum,

- famotidinum,

- trimebutinum,

- lansoprazolum,

- pankreatinum,

- alprazolamum,

- trimebutini maleas,

- metoclopramidum hydrochloridum,

- pantoprazolum,

- omeoprazolum,

- mebeverini hydrochloridum,

- acidum ursodeoxycholicum,

- metronidazolum,

- inulin,

- lactobacillus acidophilus.