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Posted : 12/28/2014 9:19 pm

I have been saying this for a couple of posts.

The stress is more harmful to our bodies now. i don't really believe accutane is still inside of us.

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Posted : 12/29/2014 4:57 am

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/819426-treatment

Vitamin A

Symptoms of vitamin A toxicity usually resolve after stopping vitamin A and instituting supportive therapy. The pigmentation of carotenemia usually disappears with the omission of carrots from the diet.

Patients with increased intracranial pressure may need therapeutic lumbar punctures or further treatment with medications such as diuretics and mannitol.

Patients with symptomatic hypercalcemia require the following:

  • Close monitoring
  • Treatment with intravenous fluids and diuretics
  • Additional therapy, including pamidronate, calcitonin, corticosteroids, or mithramycin
  • Discontinuation of vitamin A
Plicamycin
Corticosteroid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corticosteroid

(chemical structure is that of finasteride.)

Calcitonin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcitonin

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Posted : 12/29/2014 5:46 am

Just FYI, Andreas Mortiz died of cancer. Why it might be silenced is because the whole program would be useless if that was the case, not because 'big pharma' is keeping him hidden. I have never heard of a doctor endorsing his methods, some are quite dangerous. And, from what we now know, very much useless. Unfortunately.

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Posted : 12/29/2014 11:29 am

I will not do some liver cleanse... You do know that the spokesperson (Andreas Moritz) died of cancer. A bit ironic right as he said that these colon and liver cleanses would cure you of cancer? It is scary what people will do for 'health.' It killed him eventually (he was only 58 yrs old).

Andreas Moritz was eating an extremely horrible diet. He believed animal protein to be harmful. In a lot of ways he's quacky I admit. For instance, he believed that horses get their protein through breathing.. However, it just so happens to be (from my research) that the ones who know the most about detoxing and cleansing the body are the vegans and vegetarians. I don't know why that is but I've seen it to be true. Just because someone is misinformed about one subject (diet), doesn't mean they are wrong about everything they preach.

I'm going to continue liver flushing, kidney cleanses, and colon hydrotherapy. It may not work but at least I'm trying.

Here's a picture of my stones from my first flush:

*if I cut them open, they are bright green inside. My bowels were empty of all fecal matter when I excreted these

EDIT: video I think everyone here will find amusing. It's about doctors. The vid will only be up for a few days: LINK (you may need to download it and use something like VLC player to play it. Another vid for Christmas: LINK

post-439093-0-68628500-1419870498.jpg

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Posted : 12/29/2014 4:14 pm

Hey, I didn't order the poo-poo platter!

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Posted : 12/29/2014 4:21 pm

So you're saying it is all about diet, since he died even though he did all these cleanses? So, vegetarianism or being vegan is what kills us? Then why are you doing it? These are nothing more than semi-solid balls made up of oil and acid. In other words, theyre nothing but a mixture of the olive oil and lemon juice that you drank the night before. These stones will melt if left out in the heat. True calcified stones from your body will not melt. This is why many people keep their stones from a liver flush in the freezer. Although why you would want to keep them at all is lost on me. Also, if they float they are not real gallstones. Real ones will sink.

Please check this out:

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673605663738/fulltext

Why don't you just try to make some broth, or homemade yogurt, exercise and other things? I guess it is not my business though, but from what I have heard people are doing them for years before they notice any difference, if even that. It just seems pointless, and kind of taxing on the system.

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Posted : 12/29/2014 5:29 pm

IGF-1 LR3 Benefits, Peptide Injections:

Mod Edit

So many people are asking me about IGF-1 lr3 and why I like it so much, so I thought I would make a quick fact list of the benefits of taking some form of an IGF. Of course, if you have never taken IGF I really suggest you do so! Feel free to ask about any of these, all of which I can support with a medical study or two..or three...of 10!

And yes.... Did I mention it's my favorite... smile.gif

-T

Get some lr3 for yourself!

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Benefits of IGF-1

  • Can be used on cycle, off cycle, or in PCT... whenever
  • No rebound effect... you keep what you gain/cut
  • Helps restore and maintain muscle, bone, tendon, and joint mass
  • Improves energy and endurance
  • Protects brain neurons and stimulates new neuron production
  • A very intense "pump" while lifting
  • Promotes the growth of new tissue
  • Promotes adipose fat-loss (in relation to the extent that GH does)
  • Supports healthy joints and tendons
  • Supports repair and rebuilding of muscle, joints, bones, tendons...everything!
  • One of your best compounds for a torn muscle rehab
  • Boost the immune system (increases immune system surveillance)
  • Makes you have a HUGE cock ( ok this one is a joke. )
  • Improves collagen formation
  • Aids in cartilage repair
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Posted : 12/29/2014 6:02 pm

 

I will not do some liver cleanse... You do know that the spokesperson (Andreas Moritz) died of cancer. A bit ironic right as he said that these colon and liver cleanses would cure you of cancer? It is scary what people will do for 'health.' It killed him eventually (he was only 58 yrs old).

Andreas Moritz was eating an extremely horrible diet. He believed animal protein to be harmful. In a lot of ways he's quacky I admit. For instance, he believed that horses get their protein through breathing.. However, it just so happens to be (from my research) that the ones who know the most about detoxing and cleansing the body are the vegans and vegetarians. I don't know why that is but I've seen it to be true. Just because someone is misinformed about one subject (diet), doesn't mean they are wrong about everything they preach.

I'm going to continue liver flushing, kidney cleanses, and colon hydrotherapy. It may not work but at least I'm trying.

Here's a picture of my stones from my first flush:

*if I cut them open, they are bright green inside. My bowels were empty of all fecal matter when I excreted these

EDIT: video I think everyone here will find amusing. It's about doctors. The vid will only be up for a few days: LINK (you may need to download it and use something like VLC player to play it. Another vid for Christmas: LINK

Hey, could you tell me what you use for liver flush and the colon cleanse please?

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Posted : 12/29/2014 6:37 pm

On 12/30/2014 at 6:29 AM, Duul said:

IGF-1 LR3 Benefits, Peptide Injections:

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/threads/120150-IGF-1-Lr3-T-s-Favorite-Peptide-Much-more-anabolic-than-HGH!

So many people are asking me about IGF-1 lr3 and why I like it so much, so I thought I would make a quick fact list of the benefits of taking some form of an IGF. Of course, if you have never taken IGF I really suggest you do so! Feel free to ask about any of these, all of which I can support with a medical study or two..or three...of 10!

And yes.... Did I mention it's my favorite... smile.gif

-T

Get some lr3 for yourself here!

IGF-1 Lr3 1mg

Benefits of IGF-1

  • Can be used on cycle, off cycle, or in PCT... whenever
  • No rebound effect... you keep what you gain/cut
  • Helps restore and maintain muscle, bone, tendon, and joint mass
  • Improves energy and endurance
  • Protects brain neurons and stimulates new neuron production
  • A very intense "pump" while lifting
  • Promotes the growth of new tissue
  • Promotes adipose fat-loss (in relation to the extent that GH does)
  • Supports healthy joints and tendons
  • Supports repair and rebuilding of muscle, joints, bones, tendons...everything!
  • One of your best compounds for a torn muscle rehab
  • Boost the immune system (increases immune system surveillance)
  • Makes you have a HUGE cock ( ok this one is a joke. )
  • Improves collagen formation
  • Aids in cartilage repair

LOL first thing they offer on that website link is

 
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"LR3 IGF-1 has almost no valid human data other than those of us that have used it and reported first hand observations. The patent holder states in no uncertain terms that it was engineered specifically for cell cultures and was never intended for human use. While some posturing of this sort would be expected to cover their tale, the long-term ramifications of extended use are still somewhat of a question mark."

DO NOT TAKE HORMONES!

you can make natural IGF 1 by lifting heavy weights.

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Posted : 12/29/2014 7:16 pm

 

Hey, could you tell me what you use for liver flush and the colon cleanse please?

colema board (fantastic. almost the equivalent of getting a $50-100 colon hydrotherapy session)

book that lays out the instructions on how to do it. I follow them exactly.

Check your inbox for a basic guide

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Posted : 12/29/2014 7:40 pm

On 12/30/2014 at 5:21 AM, il90 said:

So you're saying it is all about diet, since he died even though he did all these cleanses? So, vegetarianism or being vegan is what kills us? Then why are you doing it? These are nothing more than semi-solid balls made up of oil and acid. In other words, theyre nothing but a mixture of the olive oil and lemon juice that you drank the night before. These stones will melt if left out in the heat. True calcified stones from your body will not melt. This is why many people keep their stones from a liver flush in the freezer. Although why you would want to keep them at all is lost on me. Also, if they float they are not real gallstones. Real ones will sink.

Please check this out:

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673605663738/fulltext

What about the people who expel the same stones when doing coffee enemas? Does the coffee transform inside the body to turn green? Also, some people don't use olive oil for the flush. They use other oils such as almond oil. The stones are still green inside. I do believe that the stones are real. It may just be a bunch of bile that has remnants of fecal matter on the outside but it definitely comes from the liver/gallbladder area. Bile is what carries fat-soluble toxins out of the body, like accutane. So if the accutane was in the liver still and we excreted it, we would just reabsorb it in the small intestine. The cleanse allows the bile to be washed out of the body and not reabsorbed. Great way for getting rid of accutane imo. Plus, perhaps the tane could be on the walls of the intestines or in the diverticuli.. Those colon cleanses might help with that. What do you have to lose by trying it
You could also try to make those balls yourself using olive oil and acid. I don't think I could do it.
post from someone about their experience with flushing: link Also, these people don't have any $ incentive. They aren't trying to sell anything. Why would they lie?
On 12/30/2014 at 5:21 AM, il90 said:

Why don't you just try to make some broth, or homemade yogurt, exercise and other things? I guess it is not my business though, but from what I have heard people are doing them for years before they notice any difference, if even that. It just seems pointless, and kind of taxing on the system.

I do all of those things, kefir instead of yogurt though (except exercise; joints and muscles hurt too bad to lift weights. I just walk in the grass instead) I have to do more than lifestyle, diet, stress management etc to be healed. I'm starting to look into stealth infections like mycoplasma or lyme. My muscles hurt soo much... nobody else here seems to have extremely painful muscles like me

EDIT: here's a

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I'm sure most have seen but just in case you haven't.. Even if the stones aren't real, the liver flush happened to cure him of his accutane related symptoms. Unless he's lying haha.. I just don't see how he would benefit by making that up. His username on this forum is ManitobaMountain btw. He has a few posts about his healing journey

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Posted : 12/29/2014 8:32 pm

I'm sorry for you. It is truly awful what you are going through, but has it actually helped? I mean these cleanses? I have done colon cleanses so I won't lie, I have tried but it hasn't done anything more than make my problems worse, since the fact is that I am terrified of doing them.

I have never heard of someone passing stones while doing an coffee enema. I have talked to loads of people who have done them and no one has every passed a green stone.

It isn't real. I really wanted to believe it at first. It would be great! But, also I know letting go off all of this stuff might help too. I sometimes have really bad stomach pains that conveniently only shows up when my anxiety starts to kick in. People on these forums have been trying to convince me that it is this huge fungus (candida) that is creating the anxiety and then the anxiety is creating the stomach problems, also while the fungus grows. As, I have anxiety I will of course be crazy scared regardless of how stupid this sounds.

My dads girlfriend told me today that she and her family always took antibiotics for their whole lives without any problems arising. I have taken it for 6 month, and have been convinced that my gut flora is shot to hell ever since (I also had bad anxiety at this time probably the cause of all my problems to be honest). I have been taking countless candida cleanses, I took out sugar, all processed foods etc, all carbs, for more than 8 months without any real difference. And, when I say this, people go you haven't been doing it enough, or you didn't try this candida supplement or other... Seriously? How long should we be at it? Forever? I haven't heard of anyone doing a 'quick' candida cleanse, gets completely better, and goes off these chat rooms. People keep going at it, like addicts. No one, get better. Maybe a bit, but it is only in the 'I think I have an inch of a less of a rash on my hand, progress!"

I guess I just wonder...

I am sorry for you I really am it is terrible what you are going through, but I am talking to all those like me. Those that have anxiety and is usually googling to find 'chaos' that is part of the disease. Go for a run. Google anxiety whenever you start up again, you'll see that you'll identify more with that than some quack diagnosis.

Of course, I might be wrong and we should all keep frantically searching the web and sit at home and push coffee up our buts. I really do hope not, because it is just awful.

Also, I would rather not see the stones.

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Posted : 12/29/2014 9:41 pm

"Question: How come there is no Accutane recovery website, or a foundation? I mean we are going to need a team of scientists to figure out what is going on."

There is no way to sugarcoat this, unfortunately, but I may be able to encrust it with wasabi powder. The naive people who believe those wasabi-encrusted, green peas are actually liver stones are the reason why this community is stagnant. It is rampant arrogance and egotism that impels them to spend untold sums at Iherb for the perceived on-the-way glory, that is sadly, something that will never arrive. Has the penny dropped?

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Posted : 12/29/2014 9:53 pm

I hate to even hear about some people's stories where accutane backfired like some i've read in this thread. I wish it worked well for all!

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Posted : 12/29/2014 11:48 pm

You could certainly try HGH peptides. Its inexpensive. Make sure the quality is good. You guys should def do more research on it though. I tried it but stopped BC it gave me carpal tunnel.

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Posted : 12/30/2014 12:04 am

Okay, so just to debunk the debunking. Liver flushing is real. The stones that come out are not stones in the traditional sense. What they are all bile-laden balls full of BACTERIA that the body needs to get out. They are easily softened typically from the malic acid in apple juice (if people are doing that one) or citric acid taken to help with passing them. I have done the flush 6 times, and each time the size and shape was different. I've passed thousands of stones. They started off in the first flush super tiny like grains of quinoa, and progressively got larger on the 3rd and 4th. 5th nothing came out...6th, massive stones came out. Each time, felt a huge purging that was physical and mental in nature. My inflammation subsided for a few weeks and my collagen production increased. Smooth skin, hair, epic joint mobiility, no need for yoga. I believe I am about halfway there. What can happen though is the bacteria release from the bile that's been trapped in those organs is so major it floods the system, so it is best to take breaks. It is also not helpful to do cleanses in the winter since the body is biologically prepared for rest/hibernation. Best to do them in the spring. Cannot emphasie breaks enough. It is the only thing that has drastically impacted my body in a positive way, including the naltrexone, but who wants to take meds. Just clogs the liver more. What do you think all of those balls of bacteria trapped in the blood vessels and capillary system in the liver do? Back up the liver, gallbladder, kidneys, lymphs, and you have a really shitty functioning body. This creates sysytemic inflammation in and of itself. Liver also plays a huge role in digestion. So if we cannot fix digestion through intensive measures it makes sense to look elsewhere...especially the liver, where accutane is renowned for corrupting. I agree, that the dietary recommendations by Andreas are ridiculous. But it's true about eating TOO many animal fats before the cleanse. I did that once and it was the last time. If it makes certain people feel better symptomatically, and you have not tried it because you too, read some "quackwatch" articles, don't judge others. Hey, I also read some articles that accutane has no long term side effects. Weird.

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Posted : 12/30/2014 12:17 am

Okay, so just to debunk the debunking. Liver flushing is real. The stones that come out are not stones in the traditional sense. What they are all bile-laden balls full of BACTERIA that the body needs to get out. They are easily softened typically from the malic acid in apple juice (if people are doing that one) or citric acid taken to help with passing them. I have done the flush 6 times, and each time the size and shape was different. I've passed thousands of stones. They started off in the first flush super tiny like grains of quinoa, and progressively got larger on the 3rd and 4th. 5th nothing came out...6th, massive stones came out. Each time, felt a huge purging that was physical and mental in nature. My inflammation subsided for a few weeks and my collagen production increased. Smooth skin, hair, epic joint mobiility, no need for yoga. I believe I am about halfway there. What can happen though is the bacteria release from the bile that's been trapped in those organs is so major it floods the system, so it is best to take breaks. It is also not helpful to do cleanses in the winter since the body is biologically prepared for rest/hibernation. Best to do them in the spring. Cannot emphasie breaks enough. It is the only thing that has drastically impacted my body in a positive way, including the naltrexone, but who wants to take meds. Just clogs the liver more. What do you think all of those balls of bacteria trapped in the blood vessels and capillary system in the liver do? Back up the liver, gallbladder, kidneys, lymphs, and you have a really shitty functioning body. This creates sysytemic inflammation in and of itself. Liver also plays a huge role in digestion. So if we cannot fix digestion through intensive measures it makes sense to look elsewhere...especially the liver, where accutane is renowned for corrupting. I agree, that the dietary recommendations by Andreas are ridiculous. But it's true about eating TOO many animal fats before the cleanse. I did that once and it was the last time. If it makes certain people feel better symptomatically, and you have not tried it because you too, read some "quackwatch" articles, don't judge others. Hey, I also read some articles that accutane has no long term side effects. Weird.

nice man

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Posted : 12/30/2014 12:22 am

 

Okay, so just to debunk the debunking. Liver flushing is real. The stones that come out are not stones in the traditional sense. What they are all bile-laden balls full of BACTERIA that the body needs to get out. They are easily softened typically from the malic acid in apple juice (if people are doing that one) or citric acid taken to help with passing them. I have done the flush 6 times, and each time the size and shape was different. I've passed thousands of stones. They started off in the first flush super tiny like grains of quinoa, and progressively got larger on the 3rd and 4th. 5th nothing came out...6th, massive stones came out. Each time, felt a huge purging that was physical and mental in nature. My inflammation subsided for a few weeks and my collagen production increased. Smooth skin, hair, epic joint mobiility, no need for yoga. I believe I am about halfway there. What can happen though is the bacteria release from the bile that's been trapped in those organs is so major it floods the system, so it is best to take breaks. It is also not helpful to do cleanses in the winter since the body is biologically prepared for rest/hibernation. Best to do them in the spring. Cannot emphasie breaks enough. It is the only thing that has drastically impacted my body in a positive way, including the naltrexone, but who wants to take meds. Just clogs the liver more. What do you think all of those balls of bacteria trapped in the blood vessels and capillary system in the liver do? Back up the liver, gallbladder, kidneys, lymphs, and you have a really shitty functioning body. This creates sysytemic inflammation in and of itself. Liver also plays a huge role in digestion. So if we cannot fix digestion through intensive measures it makes sense to look elsewhere...especially the liver, where accutane is renowned for corrupting. I agree, that the dietary recommendations by Andreas are ridiculous. But it's true about eating TOO many animal fats before the cleanse. I did that once and it was the last time. If it makes certain people feel better symptomatically, and you have not tried it because you too, read some "quackwatch" articles, don't judge others. Hey, I also read some articles that accutane has no long term side effects. Weird.

nice man

 

Okay, so just to debunk the debunking. Liver flushing is real. The stones that come out are not stones in the traditional sense. What they are all bile-laden balls full of BACTERIA that the body needs to get out. They are easily softened typically from the malic acid in apple juice (if people are doing that one) or citric acid taken to help with passing them. I have done the flush 6 times, and each time the size and shape was different. I've passed thousands of stones. They started off in the first flush super tiny like grains of quinoa, and progressively got larger on the 3rd and 4th. 5th nothing came out...6th, massive stones came out. Each time, felt a huge purging that was physical and mental in nature. My inflammation subsided for a few weeks and my collagen production increased. Smooth skin, hair, epic joint mobiility, no need for yoga. I believe I am about halfway there. What can happen though is the bacteria release from the bile that's been trapped in those organs is so major it floods the system, so it is best to take breaks. It is also not helpful to do cleanses in the winter since the body is biologically prepared for rest/hibernation. Best to do them in the spring. Cannot emphasie breaks enough. It is the only thing that has drastically impacted my body in a positive way, including the naltrexone, but who wants to take meds. Just clogs the liver more. What do you think all of those balls of bacteria trapped in the blood vessels and capillary system in the liver do? Back up the liver, gallbladder, kidneys, lymphs, and you have a really shitty functioning body. This creates sysytemic inflammation in and of itself. Liver also plays a huge role in digestion. So if we cannot fix digestion through intensive measures it makes sense to look elsewhere...especially the liver, where accutane is renowned for corrupting. I agree, that the dietary recommendations by Andreas are ridiculous. But it's true about eating TOO many animal fats before the cleanse. I did that once and it was the last time. If it makes certain people feel better symptomatically, and you have not tried it because you too, read some "quackwatch" articles, don't judge others. Hey, I also read some articles that accutane has no long term side effects. Weird.

nice man

Everyone thinks I'm a dude! haha I'm just tired of hearing it from people that havn't tried it, have read a few conventional/quackwatch articles, maybe did try it once, thought it was too hard, etc. Let people do their thing. If only people knew the connection between candida and congested livers!

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Posted : 12/30/2014 12:31 am

I hate to even hear about some people's stories where accutane backfired like some i've read in this thread. I wish it worked well for all!

NO side effects??!?!?!

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Posted : 12/30/2014 1:29 am

I believe that the Andreas Moritz liver cleanse is real and that the stones aren't just clumps of oil/fat etc. The question on whether the stones are real or not is addressed in the Q & A section at the back of the book. I've only done two cleanses thus far..... the stones in the picture on previous page are EXACTLY what comes out, however I did not pass any stones on my second cleanse....is my liver now free of stones?.....I won't know the answer till I do my third cleanse. ( I want to do Kidney cleanse next before another Liver cleanse )

To those thinking of doing the cleanse, as Moritz say's - you've got to follow the guidelines to the letter. For me the first one was a bit daunting, the whole idea of being hooked up to a machine having my bowel cleansed for 45 min twice within a week was scary.Having now done over 6 Hydrotherapy sessions, I'm much more confident and relaxed during the process. Drinking the oil and epsom salt and going hungry for a few days was not an issue. Even if you read his book and decided not to do the cleanse, I'm sure you'll find the information he offers to be pretty accurate in terms of rejuvenating the body and minimising stress in your life.

I'm by no means there yet but i do find his teachings to ring true. To those who've made big dietary changes i.e becoming a vegetarian, I tip my hat to you. I find it really hard to cut meat out of my diet, I'm doing my best to minimise it and plan on making 2015 a more disciplined year in terms of what I choose to eat.

The other thing I wanted to say is, I think our stomachs are in need of repair post Accutane. I mean if it can in extreme cases result in people having to remove their Colon, what do you think it did to the lining of our stomachs when we ingested it??

I can go another year spending thousands of dollars on supplements etc but if my stomach is an "Intestinal Apocalypse" am I really absorbing and receiving any benefit ( same applies when eating healthy food )

The "Leaky Gut" syndrome might still need addressing, candida overgrowth might only be part of it. I'm beginning to think that in destroying my gut lining I exposed myself to some sort of virus that I haven't healed from. The aching muscles/joints and the fatigue I get sure feel virus like to me??!!

Might see a Gastroenterologist next year, although I'll preempt and say they'll probably only give me antibiotics which will further destroy the gut?. Getting out of this mess sure is hard - I hope that next year brings some major healing to all of us damaged from

the evil that is Accutane.....best of luck to all in 2015.

Note: To those in this world still selling this poison to innocent people knowing full well the damage it does....I give you my middle finger......enjoy the inescapable KARMA coming your way!!

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Posted : 12/30/2014 3:21 am

"The most surprising claim is that laxatives expel gall stones. These liver-cleansing treatments result in the excretion of soft, stone-like structures in the faeces which may been seen as gall stones by patients. Such 'liver stones' have been described in the literature and it is understood that they develop from the olive oil that is taken with the course of laxatives. That passing such stones is not associated with a reduction in gall stones is hardly surprising."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21211072

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Posted : 12/30/2014 4:18 am

Also, if you had taken UDCA like our forefather had prescribed, that alone would have been tantamount to nipping it in the bud, with reference to those possibilities. If you truly had all those mechanical obstructions inside you, you would have a pretty severe case of cholestasis; and, we put that to rest long ago.

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Posted : 12/30/2014 7:03 am

I believe that the Andreas Moritz liver cleanse is real and that the stones aren't just clumps of oil/fat etc. The question on whether the stones are real or not is addressed in the Q & A section at the back of the book. I've only done two cleanses thus far..... the stones in the picture on previous page are EXACTLY what comes out, however I did not pass any stones on my second cleanse....is my liver now free of stones?.....I won't know the answer till I do my third cleanse. ( I want to do Kidney cleanse next before another Liver cleanse )

To those thinking of doing the cleanse, as Moritz say's - you've got to follow the guidelines to the letter. For me the first one was a bit daunting, the whole idea of being hooked up to a machine having my bowel cleansed for 45 min twice within a week was scary.Having now done over 6 Hydrotherapy sessions, I'm much more confident and relaxed during the process. Drinking the oil and epsom salt and going hungry for a few days was not an issue. Even if you read his book and decided not to do the cleanse, I'm sure you'll find the information he offers to be pretty accurate in terms of rejuvenating the body and minimising stress in your life.

I'm by no means there yet but i do find his teachings to ring true. To those who've made big dietary changes i.e becoming a vegetarian, I tip my hat to you. I find it really hard to cut meat out of my diet, I'm doing my best to minimise it and plan on making 2015 a more disciplined year in terms of what I choose to eat.

The other thing I wanted to say is, I think our stomachs are in need of repair post Accutane. I mean if it can in extreme cases result in people having to remove their Colon, what do you think it did to the lining of our stomachs when we ingested it??

I can go another year spending thousands of dollars on supplements etc but if my stomach is an "Intestinal Apocalypse" am I really absorbing and receiving any benefit ( same applies when eating healthy food )

The "Leaky Gut" syndrome might still need addressing, candida overgrowth might only be part of it. I'm beginning to think that in destroying my gut lining I exposed myself to some sort of virus that I haven't healed from. The aching muscles/joints and the fatigue I get sure feel virus like to me??!!

Might see a Gastroenterologist next year, although I'll preempt and say they'll probably only give me antibiotics which will further destroy the gut?. Getting out of this mess sure is hard - I hope that next year brings some major healing to all of us damaged from

the evil that is Accutane.....best of luck to all in 2015.

Note: To those in this world still selling this poison to innocent people knowing full well the damage it does....I give you my middle finger......enjoy the inescapable KARMA coming your way!!

Not to be rude, but the stones aren't, by scientific proof, real regardless of your uneducated belief in the matter. You can't really tell me that I should look in the back of the book of the guy who invented this cleanse to know that it is real. Of course he'll tell you that it is real since he is endorsing it to begin with.

I don't think anyone of us (in our state of mind) should read a book about a guy that says horses get their protein by breathing. Please don't think that every doctor is evil and will only give you antibiotics. This is a common mistake once you start reading all this 'holistic' literature. Understand, that both side are trying to make money, and both sides have bad people who practice it. If you find a 'bad' doctor, you might also find a 'bad' holistic quack. However, you can also find great doctors, and good holistic practitioners. The gastro expert will go through every possible venue, he will work with real methods to understand what ails you. I really do recommend you go, even if you want to continue doing all of these cleanses, you can still get additional help.

All I see when you talk about this is that you are deeply agitated and scared. Try not to believe everything you hear it will literally drive you crazy. I get psychological help, and it has helped immensely and you might consider that too.

All medicine have side effects, unfortunately, and although it is not excuse to what you are going through I don't know if you can just stop taking medicin altogether. My aunts husband's brother has cancer currently, and he is the only one the doctor has seen with so few, if any, side effects. Why? The only thing different about him is the fact that he just doesn't care that he is undergoing chemo. He just shrugs his shoulders and says 'yeah' haha. He keeps eating super unhealthy and only lies in his couch watching TV. So yeah, what is going on here?

I do believe this frantically searching, and all these cleanses if anything makes us more agitated, scared and frustrated at the system (Western medicin). We become more isolated. We stop believing real people instead go online or read a book by this 'Mortiz' guy who takes advantage of this fact.

 

I have many dollars to spend. I will find a solution.

awesome haha

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Posted : 12/30/2014 9:43 am

I finally found some supplements that have completely eliminated some of my accutane symptoms and greatly reduced the severity and frequency of all my other symptoms. I've been hesitant to post anything until I've been sure these supplements have improved my symptoms in the long-term.

I've had continued improvement for the past 5 months, since August 8th 2014. I began taking Hyaluronic acid, liquid supplement, in recommended doses back in early July for the joint relief. It worked very well and my skin and eyes became more and more hydrated. August 1st I began taking a B-Vitamin Complex supplement that includes all the major B-Vitamins. This hydrated my body and allowed me to retain water for the first time since I started having severe Accutane side effects back in October 2012. I then began sunbathing as much as my skin could handle to get as much Vitamin D as possible. The first 2 days my symptoms seemed to worsen but after reading a recent study on chickens and how Vitamin D countered acted Vitamin A overdose in them and caused the chickens to excrete Vitamin A from their liver stores, I was not worried. The article stated the the chickens exhibited more severe symptoms of Vitamin A overdose first before their symptoms subsided and they began to excrete the Vitamin A.

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-on-trial-does-vitamin-a-cause-osteoporosis/#ainterfered

 

After sunbathing for about 1hr every other day for one week then 1hr and 30min for another 4 days every day I noticed huge improvement in all my symptoms Brainfog cleared, joint pain greatly decreased to where I could weight lift like I used to before the accutane. Face produced natural oil again and my sex drive came back in full swing. The brainfog began to lift after the second day of sunbathing. After 2 weeks my side effects slowly began to return. I went to my local health food store and got lanolin-based gel caps of Vitamin D3. I continued to sunbathe and took about 25,000 IU - 35,000 IU per day after reviewing the Vitamin D Counsel's recommended daily intake suggestions. My symptoms improved ridiculously after I started taking the Vitamin D3 in large dosages, I continued the regimen of Hyaluronic acid and B-Vitamins. I also began taking Zinc, selenium, Vitamin K (liquid gel caps K2). By September 5th, my 4th week of Vitamin D doses, I upped my daily intake to 100,000 IU for about 10 days. I took a break from the supplements for about 4 weeks and my symptoms did not return until early October. Brainfog and vision problems occurred occasionally ( once per week, sometimes absent for 2 whole weeks at a time).

I'm one week why of 5 months and my symptoms have continued to improve. I believe the Hyaluronic acid and B-vitamins helped to greatly hydrate my body resulting in small intestinal mucosal lining improving and hydrating as well. I believe this allowed me to absorb the Vitamin D3 (lanolin based) causing my liver to expel the Accutane (cis-13 retinoic acid). Vitamin D and A compete for cell receptors all over the body. The article I posted the link to explains this.

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