I have already been taking it for about two weeks. I feel it detoxing me, it's quite amazing.

I found it at my local health food store, cheaper online.

I might do Hulda Clarks liver flush.

I also have Andreas Moritz' book.

 

 

NOTE: Planning a trip to Colorado for next month, going to find the Rick Simpson Oil. Will post results when taking it.

-DMT-

I am not a doctor and...

I am not recommending doing DMT but it could prove to beneficial for us.

Since DMT is naturally occuring in the brain. It will not harm you. It could help our neurotransmitters, depression and prevent suicide.

Also not recommending mushrooms but....Yeah it could help depression.

I generally wanted to avoid talking about these drugs (to avoid people thinking I was some sort of delusional drug addict).. I don't think you sound like one btw.

I have a consistent experience on some drugs that I feel relates to some sort of pain in my body.

I have done a considerable amount of mushrooms and i get this one consistent body high experience every time. It feels as if my shoulders are lifting out of my body, and my back finally feels like one sturdy pain free unit. Anyways I tried a juice fast a while back and hit ketosis in 12 hours. During the fast, I had the same feeling in my shoulders as I do on mushrooms. This feeling is so unique to me that I am absolutely confident I am not mixing it up with any other feelings. I ended the fast due to real life commitments and the lack of energy I had, but I found it incredibly odd. Maybe I was just tripping....pun intended. haha. I am getting more drawn towards fasting/liver cleansing to fix my digestive system. I'm not sure why I keep procrastinating. I am going to try a liver cleanse after the holidays.

Not trying to derail the thread, but just posting this in case you find it interesting.

Also.... Stating the obvious but,

Mushrooms may help depression, but they can also make it worse. You need to be in very comfortable calm environments when taking them. If not, they can bring out your biggest anxieties. Never done DMT but I assume it requires a similar environment.

Do you grow your own mushrooms???

Where can I start with Mushroom taking. I am a complete noob with this.

manganese/connective tisue / Hyaluronan/joints

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/91/4/447.full.pdf

Manganese deficiency fits very well to the picture and I've been taking it, but I'm still suspicious will this help us. You're supposed to get enough MN from food, so it feels weird that we would still be deficient of it after years of taking Accutane. Maybe our bodies can't absorb it or something else, but then supplementing it wouldn't help I guess. Should we also worry about MN overdose? Sorry if these questions have already been answered, but I was just too stupid to understand.

if you worry about that just make sure you have mn in normal/optimal range which is about 3.5 mg and a bioavailable form.food sources like whole grains or nuts is not very bioavailable . phytic acid has very much effect on it. best sources are tea and pineapple juice.

vitamin c is a big cofactor for mn . just in normal dose

also make sure you hav enough carbohydrate which is important for glycoprotein synthese

you body can make crabs from fats and protein in some degree but thats not optimal and is not good for liver too , so having good amount of carbs in diet can help to mn to work

(im agree with that taking mn supplement for a long period of time is not a god idea,that may cause an imbalance with other nutrients , but having 10-30 mg for 3 months is good i think)

 

This paper shows accutane might work by basically killing the sebocytes ...and they made a correlation to another synthetic retinoid, Fenretinide, which does the same thing by elevating ROS. We know accutane elevates ROS. We know mnSOD is a main cell protector against ROS

could we arrest the effects of accutane by upregulating mnSOD(taking manganese), thereby protecting the sebocyte from ROS induced cell death? would this get our oil glands to work again?

The 4-oxo metabolites of retinoids have

been shown to be functionally active in human keratinocytes and fibroblasts by their ability to

induce changes in gene expression (Baron, et al., 2005). Our data show that RAR panantagonist

AGN 193109 sufficiently blocks RAR activation in the presence of 13-cis RA as

measured by a significant decrease in TIG1 gene expression, yet does not block apoptosis

induced by 13-cis RA in SEB-1 sebocytes, thus supporting the hypothesis that apoptosis

induction via 13-cis RA is independent of RAR activation. Alternatively, apoptosis maybe 58

mediated through RXR nuclear receptor activation (Zhao et al, 2004). Using RXR pan-agonist,

CD 3254, at a concentration of 50 M, a significant increase in the percentage of TUNELpositive

SEB-1 was noted at 72 hours. Although our HPLC data indicate very low levels of 9-cis

RA (a maximum of 12 ng/mL at 72 hours), RXR activation by 9-cis RA is possible (Allenby, et

al., 1993) or 13-cis RA may be metabolized to another as yet unidentified metabolite that is

capable of RXR activation.

Alternatively, 13-cis RA may have effects that are independent of retinoid receptors.

Interestingly, we showed that fenretinide; a synthetic retinoid known to induce apoptosis by

primarily, RAR- and RXR-independent means is able to induce significant apoptosis in our SEB-

1 sebocytes. In fact, the degree of apoptosis induced by fenretinide at 48 hours is very similar to

that observed with 13-cis RA treatment at 72 hours. Fenretinide induces apoptosis by elevating

reactive oxygen species (ROS), and increases in activation of ceramide and caspases (Wu, et al.,

2001). In addition, a retinoid-related molecule, AGN 193198 induces apoptosis without

activation of the classical retinoid receptors (Balasubramanian et al, 2005; Keedwell, et al.,

2004). It is possible that 13-cis RA acts similarly to fenretinide or AGN 193198 via receptorindependent

mechanisms;

there is some studies that shows taking more mn doesnt help to upregulate mnSOD . body needs just small amount of mn for that usage

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3572809/

but here is different outcome , maybe it helps

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1550052

Another update. My current supplements are:

Manganese 12.5mg/day (a 25mg split in half)

Biotin 3000 mcg? a day... perhaps more would be beneficial.

Milk Thistle - 500mg a day

THe dryness is now over my entire body. Redness around my temples is reducing. The red patch on my right cheek still remains (not sure if rosescea or eczima). Walking feels easier. I feel like I am actually using my muscles to walk instead of putting pressureon my joints. Shoulders still feel like a bunch of rocks rolling around in the drier. Lower back pain sstill feels reduced.

Question, do you guys think the choline in milk thistle is sufficient?

I was also considering starting zinc supplements along with the manganese. Before the zinc didn't really work. Im also trying to increase my vitamin C now that I have manganese in my system...lots of oranges .

dont take Milk Thistle for long time, that makes minerals to go out of your body, i mean the ones that body excert via bile like manganese , iron , copper, etc.

its not natral to take that as a everyday supplement,thats just a medicine

However, I had a micronutrient test done (spectracell labs) 1 year and 2 months post accutane when my health was at its worst (before I changed my diet away from the SAD). Here is what the results showed:

Patient Results (% Control) Reference Range (greater than)

DEFICIENCIES

Folate 31 >32%

Vitamin A (Retinol) 68 >70%

Coenzyme Q-10 86 >86%

Alpha Lipoic Acid 81 >81

BORDERLINE DEFICIENCIES

B3 Niacinamide 83 >80%

B5 Pantothenate 10 >07%

B6 Pyridoxine 58 >54%

B7 Biotin 38 >34%

Inositol 62 >58%

Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol) 54 >50%

Antioxidant Function 45 >40%

-----

Manganese 64 >50%

Not sure how accurate the test is but according to the results, I wasn't deficient in manganese.

blood/serum manganese levels is not that accurate i guess, but thats interesting.you dont have exact measurements/units?

Hope everyone has a good christmas. Thinking of you all and praying for a cure someday soon.

 

blood/serum manganese levels is not that accurate i guess, but thats interesting.you dont have exact measurements/units?

It wasn't the serum Mn. They look inside of the cell.

Also I had a hair analysis which said my Mn levels were good.

Not to say manganese wouldn't help but I don't think it is the absolute cure to all of our problems (for mine at least)

EDIT: and no, I don't have the exact units. They only showed reference ranges according to the general population

I hope all of you are doing well and hopefully find joy,peace and love!

Merry Christmas

Do you grow your own mushrooms???

Where can I start with Mushroom taking. I am a complete noob with this.

A close friend provides them.

If you want to do them with other people, I suggest camping, or a spacious basement with little things that can distract you or bring out some sort of anxiety. Fresh air is a good thing. You will find (almost a guarantee) some sort of attraction to nature. Trees are definitely awesome to have near by. I would start with 2 grams, that won't bring up any serious mind bending realizations, but your body will feel mellow and you may see some slight visuals. You can always start with less though.

I have had friends discover really important things about themselves while on mushrooms. ADD, Diabetes etc... Every time I take it, I feel as if in order to feel healthy, I must fix my posture (the shoulder feelings hehe). I have a bad lumbar curve, and some rounded shoulders.. probably due to excessive PC gaming but I can never seem to kick the habbit. Although high, I seem to get some sort of clarity in what I must do to feel healthy. There isn't any science to back any of this up, but there are many that believe certain drugs reveal flaws that our unconscious mind hides. If you are interested in the subject, reddit always has great discussions in the drugs sub reddit.

 

Do you grow your own mushrooms???

Where can I start with Mushroom taking. I am a complete noob with this.

A close friend provides them.

If you want to do them with other people, I suggest camping, or a spacious basement with little things that can distract you or bring out some sort of anxiety. Fresh air is a good thing. You will find (almost a guarantee) some sort of attraction to nature. Trees are definitely awesome to have near by. I would start with 2 grams, that won't bring up any serious mind bending realizations, but your body will feel mellow and you may see some slight visuals. You can always start with less though.

I have had friends discover really important things about themselves while on mushrooms. ADD, Diabetes etc... Every time I take it, I feel as if in order to feel healthy, I must fix my posture (the shoulder feelings hehe). I have a bad lumbar curve, and some rounded shoulders.. probably due to excessive PC gaming but I can never seem to kick the habbit. Although high, I seem to get some sort of clarity in what I must do to feel healthy. There isn't any science to back any of this up, but there are many that believe certain drugs reveal flaws that our unconscious mind hides. If you are interested in the subject, reddit always has great discussions in the drugs sub reddit.

When I first did cannabis recently at 25 years old. It really made me think about where my life is going from different perspective. I agree with you and Thanks.

Start setting those new years resolutions.

Personally I will be wrapping up this "accutane journey" in 2015.

I said what I had to say.

I will be testing some final methods in 2015:

1. Additional Hormone Tests I haven't took yet....Measuring gobulin and androgen count.

2. Liver Flush

3. Gallbladder Flush

4. Kidney Flush

5. Probiotic Enema

6. Coffee Enema

7. Parasite Cleanse, Bowel Cleanse (Salt water purging)

8. Fraxel Laser face resurfacing (might help lips??)

9. Cleaner diet, high vitamins, high protein, high minerals, high fiber, high BCAA, cutting out coffee and drinking Green Tea Matcha and Kombucha instead.

10. Blue light laser for back of neck / acne.

11. Injecting IGF-1 peptides Intramuscular for cell repair / muscle building / oil producing.

12. Injecting B12 Vitamin Intramuscular for DNA repair / anti aging.

13. Injecting HGH for Cell Repair / Oil producing (If I can find some.)

14. Mushrooms for neurotransmitters

15. ayahuasca tea

16. Rick Simpson Oil / Phoenix Tears oil - Said to cure 90% of peoples Accutane Dryness.

17. Yoga for joint rehab.

18. Losing Weight.

19. NoFap. No more masturbating for a WHOLE YEAR.

20. MRI Left Knee.

21. Neuro-linguistic programming (dealing with my past)

22. Hypnotism (forget I ever took accutane)

23. Dry Needling Acupuncture

24. Plenty of Sleep, getting back on a good circadian rhythm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm

25. Alpha Lipoic, Vitamin C, Glutathione, Tumeric Therapy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intravenous_therapy

26. Cayenne Eye Wash: http://www.amazon.com/Dr-CHRISTOPHERS-Nourish-Eyebright-Extract/dp/B000TQ4D4Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419588921&sr=8-1&keywords=cayenne+eye+wash

26. I might do HCG for hormones, already did this once. Possible no.

27. I might do TRT but risks of hair loss don't sound good. Possible no.

Long list, but I have done already most hollistic solutions on cleansing.

The choline, magnaese, moly seem to be helping. Along with magnesium daily.

After these are done, I am done with this "journey" the outcome will be revealed to you all.

NOTE: Anyone with serious digestive disorders should probably do a FECAL TRANSPLANT (ENEMA) it cures IBD and IBS. This is only if you have some very serious problem like ulcerative colitis or Crohn's disease. It is a cure and a solution.

Kinda gross but if your in pain...I would go for it.

[Edited video out]

Question: How come there is no Accutane recovery website? Or a foundation? I mean were going to need a TEAM OF SCIENTISTS to figure out what's going on.

Look at

Post-Finasteride Syndrome Foundation

http://www.pfsfoundation.org/

Question: How come there is no Accutane recovery website? Or a foundation? I mean were going to need a TEAM OF SCIENTISTS to figure out what's going on.

Look at

Post-Finasteride Syndrome Foundation

http://www.pfsfoundation.org/

I follow propeciahelp.com because I have very very similar symptoms and if they find a cure or treatment I am sure I will benefit from their protocol.

My symptoms are exact the same PFS symptoms (except mental issues, zombie state).

Start setting those new years resolutions.

Personally I will be wrapping up this "accutane journey" in 2015.

I said what I had to say.

I will be testing some final methods in 2015:

Great post, looking forward to your results. Do keep us updated. If you could email me that would be even better as I might miss some of your posts on here.

Doing my first liver/gallbladder flush in 2 hours

Duul - Have you considered stem cells?

 

Start setting those new years resolutions.

Personally I will be wrapping up this "accutane journey" in 2015.

I said what I had to say.

I will be testing some final methods in 2015:

Great post, looking forward to your results. Do keep us updated. If you could email me that would be even better as I might miss some of your posts on here.

Doing my first liver/gallbladder flush in 2 hours

I think your on the right track. Attitude is everything. I'm interested in your new years results. Please keep us posted.

Did you stop taking the cod liver oil? I'm curious about this, as this is something that is ridiculously confusing on this thread.

Has anyone tested high or low for calcium and has this been a common thread?

Cod liver oil made me feel really odd.

I might try it again. My brain felt like it was having shock therapy.

Duul - Have you considered stem cells?

How do you take?

stem cells you go to a clinic for.

they take stem cells from your fat and give it to you IV

im not saying this is a cure in any way. you may obtain 0 benefit. i have not tried it. stem cell use in humans is still in its infancy. looking at your other thread, you seem to be exploring all avenues. stem cells is just another avenue.

im a finasteride guy btw. i have most of your symptoms + more

stem cells are delivered IV and through injections in problem areas. the effect is who knows. hopefully stem cells make it to the damaged areas and repair. a propecia guy did it and made fantastic progress.it helped with his mental sides and also experienced some physical improvements. this however is only a sample size of 1. one can only guess if it actually help accutane or propecia sufferers. the damage we have may be too deep.

stem cells are delivered IV and through injections in problem areas.

stem cells can also be mobilized by undergoing hyperbaric oxygen chamber therapy.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1873506114000208

if I had the money, I would def be purchasing one of these

did the liver flush last night everyone. passed more than 40 small stones, a few (somewhere around ~10) medium sized stones, and a few long strands of mucus. I don't feel any different but it's only my first time and it's been only 1 day. does feel good to get all those stones out though.

I'm going to keep doing this every 4 weeks until I get somewhere. Also doing colemas twice a week with a few kefir, coffee, garlic, or apple cider vinegar enemas thrown into the mix. will update everyone when/if I actually get somewhere with this stuff

 

stem cells are delivered IV and through injections in problem areas.

stem cells can also be mobilized by undergoing hyperbaric oxygen chamber therapy.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1873506114000208

if I had the money, I would def be purchasing one of these

did the liver flush last night everyone. passed more than 40 small stones, a few (somewhere around ~10) medium sized stones, and a few long strands of mucus. I don't feel any different but it's only my first time and it's been only 1 day. does feel good to get all those stones out though.

I'm going to keep doing this every 4 weeks until I get somewhere. Also doing colemas twice a week with a few kefir, coffee, garlic, or apple cider vinegar enemas thrown into the mix. will update everyone when/if I actually get somewhere with this stuff

Take pictures of the stones!

Things seem to have stalled here lately. Where did we get with the methylation issue? I think under methylation and or gut issues causing auto immune issues throughout the body. This is not new, but what happened? Phoenix Rising thread had info on the methylation, but I can't find results. Has anyone at least tested their methylation?

Any one tested for these things and done a protocol? It's highly unlikely the drug is still there. Something is stuck and we need to find the piece.

Things to help for my new year:

Probiotic

autoimmune Paleo diet

yoga

possible protocol for under methylation

SamE

anti oxidants

Happy new years everyone! To progress and a happy healthy year

 

After eating really 'healthy', taking a hundred different supplements/herbs and everything else, I ended up.... WORSE.

Why?

For two reasons, I believe.

You're best chance of recovery is rest.

A lot of my symptoms (and that means nearly all of them) could be caused by mere anxiety and stress build up.

Open your minds for a moment - I bet you spend A LOT of time, if you've not in the past, trying to find answers on Google and in forums like this one.

Always feeling like you need to keep looking, because surely the answer is out there somewhere.

Maybe it's a liver cleanse, maybe it's cannabis oil... maybe it's all a bunch of old bollocks.

Without going on and on, I want to hit home with this message: Stop living an abnormal life in the shadows, trying all these ideas that are based on theory.

You don't need to cleanse Accutane out of you. You don't need to have an enema.

You need to let it all go. Just forget about trying to cure yourself.

A lot of ignorance here. Sad that you think you have enough knowledge and experience to tell people they should not change their diet and do nothing except "manage stress", you should learn some physiology before posting full of crap posts (sorry but that make me mad). Keep your deceptions for yourself.

Yo...

Might I point out that I started this forum topic and have been suffering from the side effects for 8 years?

Might I also point out that over those 8 years I have tried A LOT of things. All of which have not helped.

I'm not trying to deceive, as you suggest.

My intentions were good.

To me, the blindfold has been lifted and I can see a lot of you poor sods are wasting even more months of your life over what is most likely anxiety. Anxiety after all the self-diagnosing and horror stories.

Tiredness ... Do you expect to be energetic when you batter your mind with worry, likely miss out on getting enough sleep and have an eating disorder?

Some may consider it ridiculous of me to suggest you have an eating disorder... I would have too, until recently.

Worrying about everything being organic and natural is bordering on a mental illness.

Maybe it's made it's way past the border.

I'm not suggesting diet isn't important...

What I'm saying is, I was eating organic fruits and vegetables... spending over 100 on food a week myself (and I still live at home).

Surely if the solution was diet, I'd of at least improved?

But that didn't happen.

Because although, obviously, eating natural unprocessed foods is a good thing, there lies a problem with it... especially if you have metabolic issues...

I.e. the symptoms of Hypothyroidism and Adrenal Fatigue.

It only recently occured to me that I'd been undereating for a while.

I'd estimate I was having around 1500 calories a day. That's not nearly enough.

Fasting, diets and all those things are not good for the body.

Fasting is a terrible idea. When your body is screaming 'eat.... eat' and you ignore it because you're on a juice fast or something equally stupid, well... you're just going to end up worse.

I'm not ignorant to the topic of health. Not by a long-shot.

But if you're cold a lot of the time, have a low sex drive, are prone to anxiety/depression... you're nervous system is in sympathetic mode.

That's not a good thing. You're body is stressed out.

Food is a way of de-stressing. A way of comfort.

The World is fucking god-awful at times... We're supposed to enjoy food and listen to our bodies wants and needs.

If you enjoy salty foods, you likely need more of them.

Drinking too much fluids and eating too many fruits/veg (mainly water) will flush and dilute your body... worsening things.

It's well known that when you have adrenal fatigue, you need more salt because sodium isn't easily retained.

I could go on...

Going back to some examples of being cured... Joseph came up. Rice and shrimp.

That's not fucking cured. That's absolute retarded madness. Wake up.

Avoiding all but two foods is not normal, or healthy. I don't care who says differently.

Dude who said avoiding Milk helped clear your acne..

That's great, but I doubt it has anything to do with retinol content.

Much more likely, you just are better off without milk, as are many people.

You're not the first to say their acne cleared from cutting the dairy.

And I want to re-iterate that stress and mental well-being is far more important that anything else.

If you've been to the doctors and the blood tests don't point out anything worrying... you need to work on your problem with health anxiety.

I was trying to help, not ridicule you guys.

But I don't come on here anymore, and when I (every few months or so) check in to see what you're talking about, I think 'Fucking hell. They're still at it.'

Smoke your cannabis if it makes you feel good.

Put cannabis oil on your wrist if it helps.

I'm just saying - CHILL THE FUCK OUT.

Life is too short to waste chasing answers that aren't there.

You can get better for sure, and I'm sure we all have different variations of health issues to heal, but brain fog, depression, low sex-drive... They're explainable as anxiety and exhaustion of body and mind.

And for sure as fucking Jesus, you can exhaust your body and mind with stress and false-beliefs.

Stop throwing away your hard earned cash on another supplement, that may or may not (likely not) help you.

I look forward to telling you that I'm all better in a few months, but I've only just started this new journey.

A journey of freedom.

It doesn't mean eating junk shit all the time.

But it means I'm no longer afraid of a single cookie causing diabetes.

It means, if I want fried chips ... I'll have them and enjoy them.

Once again... two most important things: EAT ENOUGH (I suspect some of you are fucking up your metabolic rate, especially if you've noticed cold hands and feed) and DEAL WITH ANXIETY. The books I recommended will help you greatly.

Or, you can ignore my advice, get angry and moan at me.

It really makes no difference to me.

Peace.

Accutane affects other people differently than it does others. Basically what you're suggesting is to get over it and enjoy life. I get what you are saying and agree with you, but keep in mind that other people have had far worse experiences on accutane to the point of being contantly in pain.

Brain fog and low sex drive and depression aren't necessarily all caused by the exhaustion of the mind and body. Usually it is and the drugs amplify these issues, but not always. At least that is what I have found with me. Cutting out the unnecessary annoyances in life wherever I could has helped as has finding hobbies and interests that I enjoy doing.

I firmly believe diet greatly impacts the symptoms that one may have, so yeah what you eat is important. For instance, I've become FAR more sensitive to refined sugar, dairy, wheat and anything with a lot of carbs basically. When I cut those out I felt FAR better than I have ever been since shortly after ending my accutanne treatment 12 years ago. I still have chronic dry skin and dry eyes. No amount of water helps so perhaps I simply can't store water very well (let's just say I go to the bathroom after drinking a small amoutn of water).

Now I can live with my symptoms...I imagine things will get worse for me later on though since things have slowly been getting worse over the last 4-5 years. I'm thankful that I don't have ulcerative colitis and that I only have IBS...THAT is something you can't really enjoy life with if you have it (unless you enjoy blowing money on surgeries and spending tons of time out of work).

All of this stuff can be explained away by saying that "it hasn't been proven" or that "not everyone that took Accutane has it", but you gotta really wonder with all the reports that people have about it if it is just a coincidence or not.

At any rate, some people aren't able to enjoy life because of constant pain, multiple trips to the hospital, and just the time and money being spent trying to get back to having a "normal" life. If a person loses too many things at once, then it is nearly impossible to truly enjoy life. Luckily for me, it has been a slow progression and I personally find joy in volunteer work and writing poetry. That is all I need and want and although my joints do bother me at times, I can still write so I am happy.

Just try to be careful what you say because some people could very well take offense to what you are suggesting, especially if they have some of the more "severe" side effects of Accutane. Generalization is a VERY bad thing which will only tick others off which from what I am reading in your post is exactly what you are doing. Again I get what you are saying and I agree with pretty much all of it...just keep in mind though that any medication has a chance of messing you up pretty badly and that sleep and rest won't always cure or even help those that are experiencing side effects from medication in general.

Thanks for the reply.

I agree a lot with what you've said.

Although I definitely suffered very badly with the effects of this drug, everyone is different and some many have more issues that me.

I suppose my message was aimed at those who can relate to it.

It's an odd scenario because it's very easy to start blaming every problem in your life on 'that sodding drug I took ____ months/years ago'.

For me personally, the eye floaters and sexual dysfunction began a few years after coming off the drug.

If Accutane caused those problems, I'd like to know how...

My main point isn't in ignoring problems and just accepting them, because I think that would be very hard to do for anyone... for the rest of their lives.

However, I realised that back when I was at college (age 17-18) I didn't struggle to get out of bed and think clearly like I do now.

Things like dry eyes ... Annoying as hell, but I tried so many things for that alone and realised I was fighting a losing battle.

I think Life is too short to waste away searching over and over for an answer to something like that.

Now... I don't use any eye drops or anything. My eyes are dry upon wakening and can feel bad at times, but overall... I'm better than when I used drops etc.

I believe the reason I'm so tired now is pure anxiety and stress. A lot, un-intendedly, self-inflicted.

Bad things happen to everyone. Y'all have likely realised nobody really has it easy.

I mean, look at us. We had acne and then we end up with all these problems...

A bit of perspective can be healthy though.

I watched embarrassing bodies on TV last night (a show in the UK). I'll tell ya... that show will make you feel lucky.

The only goal in all of this, though, is to be happy and content. At peace...

I understand many people on this forum will state that's impossible. I was one of them.

If you look back at some of my posts, I'm sure you can see what kind of state I was in.

But I look back at the years of my life with some regret.

I've lost friends... partly because I was so lost in my own world with it's problems. Partly because those friends didn't make an effort...

But I think 'Wow... All the things I could have done... I've not really done much'.

Anxiety and low mood have held me back for so long.

Without going on and repeating myself my only points are these:

- You have to know when it's time to stop waiting around for a pill/supplement/diet to cure you. Don't put your life on hold and say you'll do things when 'you're better'.

- Stress can cause pretty much any problem. You've taken the drug now and there's nothing you can do to change that. Be reasonable. Sure... it's a fucking terrible drug (for some) and I'd never touch it again.... but is it really the cause of every problem in your life now?

- Anxiety could have been triggered by this drug. I've read of people who's anxiety came on after using drugs (like Marijuana). The answer is the same. You have to heal it mentally and over time. The key is to accept that you're anxious and will be for a while, because it's been going on a long time. Instead of fighting, you face the things that make you anxious and practice acceptance. For me, walking up the road past strangers on my own, or having my space invaded can put me on edge. Instead of adding more tension, worry and stress (which will exhaust you and cause physical symptoms), you tell yourself 'It's okay. I don't need to figure out why I'm like this. I've been so stressed and worried for such a long time. My body is in a heightened state and worrying makes me worse.' If you accept as best you can, how you are feeling, you will get better. Some degree of anxiety is normal anyway.

(Once again, I don't know how many of you this anxiety stuff will relate to, but I'd guess the majority, if not all).

- Depersonalization is where you feel un-real. Like you're in a bubble. Like you're friends and family could be shot in front of you and you'd feel nothing. It's just another symptom of anxiety. This used to scare me more than anything. The complete numbness.

- Get the fuck out of your comfort zone. I'm only trying to help you... because lately I've realised some things. Staying in your room, rarely leaving it... going on your laptop all night... It's just got bad news written all over it. When you're depressed and anxious, being alone will lead you to dwell on the past... fear the future and try to fix everything at once (which can't possibly happen). Get outside, so that four walls aren't surrounding you. It'll feel weird at first, but you need to change if you want your situation to improve. I used to walk round the same field every day. Rarely was anybody else ever on it. Now, I'm walking up the streets so I have to walk past people. I sit on a bench for a while... and .... nothing bad happens. You are merely afraid of feelings. Over time, you can realise you need not fear feelings.... and, ironically, those feelings will smooth out.

- Don't expect to get better over night. I sometimes prayed before bed (I don't believe in God, I was just desperate) that I'd wake up better. That's an impossible dream and will only lead to you waking up disappointed. Instead, go to bed (at a reasonable time) hoping for the courage to handle things as they are. You can psyche yourself up at any time to have courage. It's better to be angry than afraid. Get pissed off that you're life has flashed before you... Get pissed off that you've become a shadow of your former self. Fuck those people who let you down, gave up on you or walked away. Show them you're better than they thought.

Once again, I want to reiterate... The reason I won't be going on google is because I realise nearly all of my symptoms are down to stress and anxiety only. Some of you may have bowel problems, I dunno... Find what works best I guess, and stick to it.

I used to cut out foods (like gluten) because I thought 'Maybe I have a gluten intolerance'... all because I'd read how bad gluten is. Yet, I had no real reason to believe I had an issue with gluten and millions eat it every day and are healthier than me... Sure, they didn't take a drug... But I was changing my diet and becoming bored at times with what I was 'allowed' to eat. Yet, over months... nothing I did was making a difference. Lifestyle and stress are very important. You can eat as healthy as you want but if you're putting yourself in a constant state of panic about your health, or anything else, you're body won't function right. Constipation and all sorts can be caused just from the thoughts you have.

If you think I'm full of shit, feel free to write this off as a bunch of rubbish.

For those that may read and think 'Yeah... this guy actually speaks some sense' ... I'm glad to of helped.

Have a good day.

Stefan

This. I once heard a naturopath tell someone that he believe a piece of toast could cause a tooth to fall out. Yes he said those words. He also commented that because he had been practicing yoga for years and had some naturopathic training he knew his stuff. Dentists, with years of actually education, are morons apparently. He is actually a recognized figure here on the web. So yeah. I do believe that eating less carbs is good for teeth, but your tooth will not fall out if you eat a piece of toast.

Please. Now that I recognize that a lot of my symptoms are anxiety I also see how fuck up this all is. That is not to say that I eat a shitty diet. I juice, and I make homemade yogurt and bone broth which has helped but dealing with my anxiety has helped the most. This is key.

I will not do some liver cleanse... You do know that the spokesperson (Andreas Moritz) died of cancer. A bit ironic right as he said that these colon and liver cleanses would cure you of cancer? It is scary what people will do for 'health.' It killed him eventually (he was only 58 yrs old). He probably wanted to believe it so much, that other people believed him too. He didn't want to scam anyone, he really wanted it to be true. They now say that he was murdered by big pharma, and that they are trying to keep it secret.

I think the best shot we have is to go out and live, and if we need a drug to help us with that then so be it (like accutane for severe acne, or anti-depressants when it is getting really bad). I don't even have acne, I have some mild IBS but I also have severe anxiety (probably moderate now) that could def be the cause of that. I keep thinking that things will become worse and that I need to do this and that so I can 'brace the storm,' but I'm probably creating the storm myself.

That is not to say that we can't try things, maybe try making homemade yogurt for stomach problems, or exercising more. (not supplements please) But, most of your life should be out there living.

I get it now, that all of this 'googling' and frantically searching the web for something that will 'cure me' is manifestation of my anxiety.

Just try, get off the computer, read books, go out, go hang with friends or family. Relax with your diet, supplements, or whatever else. Go live. See if it helps. If not then you can come back and sit here and cry in front of the computer while people tell you of their horror stories.

I realize that not many will actually hear what I am saying, you probably aren't ready. I think this was for myself mostly. haha.

I think Stefan has brought up a good point. It is very true that constantly seeking answers over and over to the point of redundancy is anxiety manifesting itself, in a neurotic way. I think I have definitely used it to "cope", but find the more I do it, the worse I feel and the more I continue to do it (ironically). When I get out and "live" to the best of my ability, my problems start to pale in comparison. Despite my severe joint pain, other problems become less significant. This is the case for me, but I would also say i'm on the moderate to severe end. I luckily do not have ulcerative colitis or any acute severe diagnosis. THANKFULLY.

I do think the focus still needs to be on healing though. I don't mean incessantly searching for answers online (sometimes can be the blind leading the blind, so to speak; especially on forums), but trusting your own instincts, and learning new things about your health along the way. Pick up a book on biochemistry, impact of food on health, accupuncture, benefits of massage, etc. and read it leisurely, but don't obsess if possible. Easier said than done for most, including myself.

I trust my own treatment plan which happens to work for ME:

Diet: homemade kefir, 100 billion probiotic, GF diet, modified candida diet, low to no refined sugar, no milk, lots of veggies, meat, and soups (homemade), occasional treats

Exercise: Walking, yoga, some weights here and there

Fun: music, hiking (when joints permit), yoga, walking

Spiritual: making music, singing, nature, spending time with others

Therapeutic: all of the above, journaling, someday medical fun stuff

Andreas Moritz reportedly was silenced by big pharma, not killed and is alive and well. but who really knows. I think it's so random that there are no specifics about his death...that I could consistently find. Seems super fishy to me either way. I did like his cleanse though. I ran it by a few doctors and they said it likely wouldn't be harmful, and would likely be helpful. Go figure. He did look a little cadaverous.

I actually get more depressed when I go on this forum when I read intense stories and read about people wanting to give up, but hey, we've all been there. I cannot judge. It's just hard since I work in mental health and deal with comofrting people all day, and then need time for myself. I'm also grateful for the people I have met on here as well, as I have gotten great tips for living a healthier life.

I think supplements can sometimes do more harm than good. Whenever I begin taking supplements my hair begins shedding more, and I don't feel any better, I usually feel worse. Either way, I do what works for me. I encourage everyone on here to do what works for them regardless of what others are recommending. Sometimes it can hurt to try things recommended on here, I found that out firsthand, so do your research.

Thank you guys for all of your support and feedback. You all rock!

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