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Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

 
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Posted : 12/22/2014 7:24 am

We have a lot of symptoms similar to this. these people complain about side effects YEARS after stopping fluoroquinolone treatment. A lot of this is exactly like listening to our stories. altering of the p450 enzymes. these drugs use the same detox pathways as accutane.
Floxing is the term used to
describe the condition in which a person suffers a severe disabling reaction of many toxic side
effects after taking a fluoroquinolone antibiotic (cipro, levaquin, floxin, tequin, noroxin, etc), This
reaction may occur during drug therapy or many months after last ingestion of the drug.
a few symptoms that mimic ours (page 132):
JOINT NOISES/"POPS"/PAIN: All over my body, but especially in shoulders and collarbone and
rotator cuff area, this has only intensified. Started with just big joints. Now occurs even in tiny joints
(fingers, toes). Shoulders, when 'rotated' produce gross gristly noise, and much discomfort. My jaw
joint is possibly the worst of all. It has developed clicks/pops on both sides and the tension around it is
unbelievable...sometimes it goes beyond popping and it sounds like something is cracking violently in
there when I yawn; sometimes it feels like it's gonna dislocate... seriously. Could be stress-related
TMJ syndrome; could be joint has changed like so many others in my body seem to have changed.
DRY EYES: This persists, sometimes waking me up as my eyelids feel like sandpaper. The worst,
though, is dry mouth. (this wakes me up too, and is very uncomfortable. When it's bad, nothing makes
it go away.). Also have developed dry nose/sinuses, which just sucks. Used to have really, really waxy
ears too. Now Q-tips come up empty, as wax is drying up. This general dehydration seems tied in to
more frequent headaches.
Eyes became very sensitive to light. Ears began to ring (tinnitus) loudly and became very
sensitive to normal sounds, let alone loud sounds like traffic or a loud ambulance siren. My mind
began to experience extreme anxiety, depersonalization, and depression. floaters
My God this just screams of the same collagen problem!!!!
Its funny reading this huge report...they mention ACETYL-L-CARNITINE and Manganese, yet they dont make any of the connections.
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Posted : 12/22/2014 7:36 am

The attached here is of my colon, throat and stomach.

The white raised growths are hemorrhoids.

I believe the lower portion is my Endoscopy, stomach and throat.

The upper portion is my colon.

The yellow is bile in the stomach.

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Posted : 12/22/2014 8:13 am

I got my results back for my shoulder and knee MRI's

Both shoulders and both knees are fine. X-rays too, all good.

Still Popping and crunching like crazy. Sore as shit.

Bone marrow density perfect.

For anyone reading this.

Please tell me what your

1.accutane dosage was

2. how long you were taking it

3. your weight at that time

4. your height at that time

5. your age at that time.

6. what are your side effects.

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Posted : 12/22/2014 8:35 am

I got my results back for my shoulder and knee MRI's

Both shoulders and both knees are fine. X-rays too, all good.

Still Popping and crunching like crazy. Sore as shit.

Bone marrow density perfect.

 

 

For anyone reading this.

Please tell me what your

1.accutane dosage was

2. how long you were taking it

3. your weight at that time

4. your height at that time

5. your age at that time.

6. what are your side effects.

your xrays are going to be fine, like everyone elses!!! its your tendons and ligaments that are crunching and popping. Xrays wont show the problem. man you have every picture except of you liver!

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Posted : 12/22/2014 8:49 am

I had an ultrasound done over the liver, kidneys, gall bladder, colon, stomach

No bile obstructions, nothing inflammed or enlarged.

What tests are you suggesting to be done for the liver.

Also I took the Manganese, every joint is cracking like crazy.

Is that normal?

Dude I went to a Gastro doc, he isn't just going to BIOPSY my liver cause I said so.

Someone else do it. Looks a bit rough!!!

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Posted : 12/22/2014 8:56 am

I had an ultrasound done over the liver, kidneys, gall bladder.

No bile obstructions, nothing inflammed or enlarged.

What tests are you suggesting to be done for the liver.

 

 

Also I took the Manganese, every joint is cracking like crazy.

Is that normal?

 

 

Dude I went to a Gastro doc, he isn't just going to BIOPSY my liver cause I said so.

 

 

Someone else do it. Looks a bit rough!!!

 

 

Someone else do it. Looks a bit rough!!!

 

 

Someone else do it. Looks a bit rough!!!

manganese isnt going to cure the popping and crunching overnight! It will take a minimum of 100-120 days for collagen to be repaired/replaced.

what did you tell the doctor after you had the xrays done and he said everything was normal?!! Did you have him put his stethoscope on your shoulder as you moved it around to hear the crunching noise? i remember going to a joint specialist 15 years ago for my "cracking and thudding" shoulders, only to have a negative xray.... you know what he said to do? "oh just hang some dumbells in your hands for 10 min a day and try to stretch the tendons" !!!!

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Posted : 12/22/2014 8:59 am

 

Oh look someone took steroids and they are all better now.

I think I will give the IGF-1 a go.

https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/proviron/

Once again... HARD CORE is the only way to FIX things now.

No turning back.

Steroids, HGH, IGF-1 OPEN THE GLANDS!!!!

WHO CARES ANYMORE??!!?! Better than say I dunno..... SUICIDE?!?!

 

I had an ultrasound done over the liver, kidneys, gall bladder.

No bile obstructions, nothing inflammed or enlarged.

What tests are you suggesting to be done for the liver.

Also I took the Manganese, every joint is cracking like crazy.

Is that normal?

Dude I went to a Gastro doc, he isn't just going to BIOPSY my liver cause I said so.

Someone else do it. Looks a bit rough!!!

Someone else do it. Looks a bit rough!!!

Someone else do it. Looks a bit rough!!!

manganese isnt going to cure the popping and crunching overnight! It take a minimum of 100-120 days for collagen to be repaired/replaced.

what did you tell the doctor after you had the xrays done and he said everything was normal?!! Did you have him put his stethoscope on your shoulder as you moved it around to hear the crunching noise? i remember going to a joint specialist 15 years ago for my "cracking and thudding" shoulders, and a negative xray.... you know what he said to do? "oh just hang some dumbells in your hands for 10 min a day and try to stretch the tendons" !!!!

Well that is what my doc said to.

Modern Medicine is a joke.

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Posted : 12/22/2014 9:04 am

 

Oh look someone took steroids and they are all better now.

I think I will give the IGF-1 a go.

https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/proviron/

Once again... HARD CORE is the only way to FIX things now.

No turning back.

Steroids, HGH, IGF-1 OPEN THE GLANDS!!!!

If you people LIKE ME are suffering then WHO CARES ANYMORE??!!?! Better than say I dunno..... SUICIDE?!?!

 

I had an ultrasound done over the liver, kidneys, gall bladder.

No bile obstructions, nothing inflammed or enlarged.

What tests are you suggesting to be done for the liver.

 

 

Also I took the Manganese, every joint is cracking like crazy.

Is that normal?

 

 

Dude I went to a Gastro doc, he isn't just going to BIOPSY my liver cause I said so.

 

 

Someone else do it. Looks a bit rough!!!

 

 

Someone else do it. Looks a bit rough!!!

 

 

Someone else do it. Looks a bit rough!!!

manganese isnt going to cure the popping and crunching overnight! It take a minimum of 100-120 days for collagen to be repaired/replaced.

what did you tell the doctor after you had the xrays done and he said everything was normal?!! Did you have him put his stethoscope on your shoulder as you moved it around to hear the crunching noise? i remember going to a joint specialist 15 years ago for my "cracking and thudding" shoulders, and a negative xray.... you know what he said to do? "oh just hang some dumbells in your hands for 10 min a day and try to stretch the tendons" !!!!

Well that is what my doc said to.

Modern Medicine is a joke.

if you want to naturally increase IGf-1.... continue the Mn and just lift heavy weights. be sure to take choline!!

http://behench.com/tag/igf-1/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9751221

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21402727

https://books.google.com/books?id=3UG9BQAAQBAJ&pg=PA555&lpg=PA555&dq=IGF-1+and+manganese&source=bl&ots=unmFSkoCe-&sig=QeRUhJadduFuwQy-8I6-gew8QP0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KCSYVKSbE9OSyATJ8oD4DQ&ved=0CEcQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=IGF-1%20and%20manganese&f=false

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Posted : 12/22/2014 2:17 pm

For anyone reading this.

Please tell me what your

1.accutane dosage was

2. how long you were taking it

3. your weight at that time

4. your height at that time

5. your age at that time.

6. what are your side effects.

1 not sure, it was a high dose to begin with then they doubled it after 1 month

2 I took it for 5 months. aug to dec 2012

3 weight was 150lbs. I now weigh 133lbs

4 height then and now is 5 10"

5 was 17 when I took it. am 20 now

6 side effects are in my signature below

before doing any steroids/hormones, I would give the kidney/liver/gallbladder/intestinal cleanses/flushes a shot. and thanks for posting all your pictures of your intestines and stomach and all the other info you gave. I love reading other peoples' experiences. makes me feel better knowing other people are going through what I am going through

EDIT: Just saw something interesting in Andreas Moritz' "The Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush" book. He briefly talks about chemotherapy.

He says, "I strongly advise against doing liver flushes until 6-8 months after the last chemotherapy treatment. It can take this long for the highly toxic chemo chemicals to become thoroughly absorbed and encapsulated in biliary stones, which in this case is desirable. Otherwise, doing liver flushes too soon after chemotherapy may leak chemo poisons via bile into the intestines, causing multiple perforations and inflammation in the intestinal walls. In other words, cleansing the body after chemotherapy can be life-endangering; in this case, it is best to be in a state of congestion for the suggested duration and first focus on the other health-enhancing approaches suggested in this book."

He mentions it in another place as well, "Those who have undergone chemotherapy and wish to do liver flushes need to wait 6-8 months after the last round of treatment. Chemo drugs produce an excessive amount of intrahepatic gallstones because of their high toxicity, but it takes a while before all the chemical toxins are absorbed by bile and formed into stones. Doing a liver flush too soon after receiving these drugs would release much of the unbound poison into the intestinal tract and literally burn holes through it."

Thought it was pretty interesting that he brings it up twice

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Posted : 12/22/2014 6:24 pm

 

For anyone reading this.

Please tell me what your

1.accutane dosage was

2. how long you were taking it

3. your weight at that time

4. your height at that time

5. your age at that time.

6. what are your side effects.

1 not sure, it was a high dose to begin with then they doubled it after 1 month

2 I took it for 5 months. aug to dec 2012

3 weight was 150lbs. I now weigh 133lbs

4 height then and now is 5 10"

5 was 17 when I took it. am 20 now

6 side effects are in my signature below

before doing any steroids/hormones, I would give the kidney/liver/gallbladder/intestinal cleanses/flushes a shot. and thanks for posting all your pictures of your intestines and stomach and all the other info you gave. I love reading other peoples' experiences. makes me feel better knowing other people are going through what I am going through

EDIT: Just saw something interesting in Andreas Moritz' "The Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush" book. He briefly talks about chemotherapy.

He says, "I strongly advise against doing liver flushes until 6-8 months after the last chemotherapy treatment. It can take this long for the highly toxic chemo chemicals to become thoroughly absorbed and encapsulated in biliary stones, which in this case is desirable. Otherwise, doing liver flushes too soon after chemotherapy may leak chemo poisons via bile into the intestines, causing multiple perforations and inflammation in the intestinal walls. In other words, cleansing the body after chemotherapy can be life-endangering; in this case, it is best to be in a state of congestion for the suggested duration and first focus on the other health-enhancing approaches suggested in this book."

He mentions it in another place as well, "Those who have undergone chemotherapy and wish to do liver flushes need to wait 6-8 months after the last round of treatment. Chemo drugs produce an excessive amount of intrahepatic gallstones because of their high toxicity, but it takes a while before all the chemical toxins are absorbed by bile and formed into stones. Doing a liver flush too soon after receiving these drugs would release much of the unbound poison into the intestinal tract and literally burn holes through it."

Thought it was pretty interesting that he brings it up twice

Well we shouldn't be in this position in the first place.

We were LIED TO and CONNED into doing this "acne" drug when it really is CHEMOTHERAPY!

Every SINGLE ACCUTANE USER is a CHEMO-PATIENT!!! Whether they feel fine or not does not matter, even if they have no side effects. They took chemotherapy and their BRAIN was damaged.

If my brain was altered like in my photos, there is the evidence.

We have all gone through a Traumatizing experience and need emotional / physical healing.

NOTE: I still can't f'ing believe people are still taking Accutane after threads like this. I wish this thread existed years ago when I took it.

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Posted : 12/22/2014 6:58 pm

 

NOTE: I still can't f'ing believe people are still taking Accutane after threads like this. I wish this thread existed years ago when I took it.

I know! How are they still giving it out to people?? I've been trying to talk to people on youtube who are starting their first weeks of accutane but they will not listen to me no matter what I tell them. They all just want their acne gone. They don't know what true suffering is. It's a real shame. I even point them to this forum.

I wonder if we could sue. I just want to sue to get some money so I could help myself recover with better supplements/nutrition and other things.. Without money, it is hard to recover.

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Posted : 12/22/2014 7:35 pm

Dull,

I hear ya and I second your notion. Every one here wants to take a few supplements and hope the body heals. I'm not in that camp. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Some people might not have sides that effect their day to day lives as much. The threads stall while everyone gets excited about manganese or the next study. I'm not knocking tryingtohelps countless hours of research-in fact I commend it. My point is that we can't hang on that. There have been numerous intelligent people taned before us whom have brought great information to the table many years ago and we're still in limbo. Science doesn't move at light speeds, so who has time to wait. Sure, if your only a couple of years off, you can manage, but what later-when it gets worse. How many others will we have lost? Sure this sounds dramatic, but it's true. Not a day goes by that my head isn't in peril. Where are the martyrs? Where are those who knock down doors? Travel to Switzerland and put people in dark rooms. Seek out the rso and get more test subjects! Or we can research and have one tane victim show up to a rally. CaN we fight laroche for a settlement? Maybe in the past but united we are not. These people have stolen lives for the all mighty dollar and we are the peasants who's lives matter not. Hey maybe there's a heaven and a better afterlife-at this point I guess that's the only hope. Why do we discourage others from trying relatively radical measures like hgh, vitamin a and others- because a few others tried one and it didn't work? If we don't push, the shit ain't gunna give! Steadfast comrades!

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Posted : 12/22/2014 10:03 pm

"We have all gone through a Traumatizing experience and need emotional / physical healing."

AMEN. I don't think enough attention goes to the mental health component. Taking accutane is TRAUMATIZING in every sense of the word. I'm speaking as a mental health professional. I've had flashbacks, nightmares, severe anxiety due to tane, not earthshattering news really, but even without the brain changes, and just the physical symptoms, I would still likely experience the same mental symptoms...trauma in and of itself effects the brain significantly causing it to process information diffierently...it can be treated however...as long as there is no permanent damage. Thank god for neuroplasticity...How can one separate the physical component from mental though...it's like chicken or the egg. I digress...just thinking out loud.

I ate vitamin A by accident today and thought my head was going to explode. Ugh.

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Posted : 12/22/2014 10:19 pm

Also, for anyone doing liver flushes. YES they do help if you follow the guidelines carefully. Also, do not neglect the kidneys. Make sure to do kidney cleanses. I've only done 6 liver flushes, but definitely got a lot out. The stones are sitting in my freezer (love explaining that to new people in my life lol)

Reading the book Feed Your Genes Right by Jack Challem...fascinating. Discussed how our genes (generally speaking, not accutane specific) are not permanently damaged but as many others have said on here, they can be shut off or on; so not expressing themselves (our genes can be shy *ba da da*). The manganese, B vitamins, choline, etc. makes sense. There's a lot of discussion of specific disorders in the book that call for increasing to higher levels vitamin E, C, B, Acetyl L whatever, Coenzyme Q10, and others for long durations of time to begin those genes expressing themselves again. It discusses each vitamins role in DNA repair, synthesis, etc. B vitamisn are strongly implicated in both processes. Super interesting. Major shocker though, DIET is the biggest predictor of someone getting well. If you eat crap and drink and expect to get well fast, not gonna happen. Just my two cents.

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Posted : 12/22/2014 10:22 pm

Hiya,

Has anyone experienced skin wrinkling/creasing under their eyes?

Mine has become like crepe paper over the last few years - just looks like the skin has given up and is sort of sagging away.(I took Roaccutane 15yrs ago).

Along with the dark purple circles I have had ever since taken Roaccutane - it's a great look!

Has anyone else has broken capillaries across their face/nose too?Anyone had any success with treatments? My skin is quite transparent looking and obviously weak - every day I seem to see more broken blood vessels on my face.

I really can't understand how something I took for 3 months all those years ago could have totally f*cked my skin up like this - and be still doing it.

My skin still produces oil -but it just seems to build up over my forehead and nose - while my skin is just totally lifeless.

My facial skin is sensitive to everything - touch,weather,water etc

I read alot of you guys/gals have multiple health issues after taking accutane - but mine seems to be just isolated to my skin(and hair to a lesser extent) - and primarily the skin on my face.

In regards to why this stuff is affecting us after so many years - does anyone else think there might be a mental component to it that allows it to persist?

I know the days that I don't think or worry about my skin - this is when it looks it's best.

Cheers - Ben

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Posted : 12/22/2014 11:41 pm

Also, for anyone doing liver flushes. YES they do help if you follow the guidelines carefully. Also, do not neglect the kidneys. Make sure to do kidney cleanses. I've only done 6 liver flushes, but definitely got a lot out. The stones are sitting in my freezer (love explaining that to new people in my life lol)

Reading the book Feed Your Genes Right by Jack Challem...fascinating. Discussed how our genes (generally speaking, not accutane specific) are not permanently damaged but as many others have said on here, they can be shut off or on; so not expressing themselves (our genes can be shy *ba da da*). The manganese, B vitamins, choline, etc. makes sense. There's a lot of discussion of specific disorders in the book that call for increasing to higher levels vitamin E, C, B, Acetyl L whatever, Coenzyme Q10, and others for long durations of time to begin those genes expressing themselves again. It discusses each vitamins role in DNA repair, synthesis, etc. B vitamisn are strongly implicated in both processes. Super interesting. Major shocker though, DIET is the biggest predictor of someone getting well. If you eat crap and drink and expect to get well fast, not gonna happen. Just my two cents.

Surprisingly enough I don't recall a lot of information on here about the mental health angle. I've asked in the past about anti depressants and didn't see much of a response. The last thing I want is to take a ssri. What about the 5htp, Sam-e etc.? Every time I look into the studies of the natural alternatives, I find an alarming study. I understand everything will be deemed unsafe by someone, so I really need some help with this. Any experiences welcome. The depression comes and goes, but lately I am super focused on the sides and in front of my mind daily.

 

Have you guys shared your experience with family members or councilors whom have understood or had empathy. I've been living with the anger for 15 years and not talked about it. My parents have never tried to understand or minimize my experience to all on my head, despite the visual appearances. I don't hold them responsible, but I am angered by their neglect-after my mom had no problem urging me to take this chemo for miiild acne.

 

I understand if the mind is eased it makes it things a whole lot easier. I find it extremely difficult to focus and it is not just when reading, but steadying objects into focus.

 

I think everyone could benefit wroth some suggestions for mental health including anti depressants-natural being the preferred method.

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Posted : 12/23/2014 3:00 am

 

Also, for anyone doing liver flushes. YES they do help if you follow the guidelines carefully. Also, do not neglect the kidneys. Make sure to do kidney cleanses. I've only done 6 liver flushes, but definitely got a lot out. The stones are sitting in my freezer (love explaining that to new people in my life lol)

Reading the book Feed Your Genes Right by Jack Challem...fascinating. Discussed how our genes (generally speaking, not accutane specific) are not permanently damaged but as many others have said on here, they can be shut off or on; so not expressing themselves (our genes can be shy *ba da da*). The manganese, B vitamins, choline, etc. makes sense. There's a lot of discussion of specific disorders in the book that call for increasing to higher levels vitamin E, C, B, Acetyl L whatever, Coenzyme Q10, and others for long durations of time to begin those genes expressing themselves again. It discusses each vitamins role in DNA repair, synthesis, etc. B vitamisn are strongly implicated in both processes. Super interesting. Major shocker though, DIET is the biggest predictor of someone getting well. If you eat crap and drink and expect to get well fast, not gonna happen. Just my two cents.

Surprisingly enough I don't recall a lot of information on here about the mental health angle. I've asked in the past about anti depressants and didn't see much of a response. The last thing I want is to take a ssri. What about the 5htp, Sam-e etc.? Every time I look into the studies of the natural alternatives, I find an alarming study. I understand everything will be deemed unsafe by someone, so I really need some help with this. Any experiences welcome. The depression comes and goes, but lately I am super focused on the sides and in front of my mind daily.

 

Have you guys shared your experience with family members or councilors whom have understood or had empathy. I've been living with the anger for 15 years and not talked about it. My parents have never tried to understand or minimize my experience to all on my head, despite the visual appearances. I don't hold them responsible, but I am angered by their neglect-after my mom had no problem urging me to take this chemo for miiild acne.

 

I understand if the mind is eased it makes it things a whole lot easier. I find it extremely difficult to focus and it is not just when reading, but steadying objects into focus.

 

I think everyone could benefit wroth some suggestions for mental health including anti depressants-natural being the preferred method.

5HTP and Sam-e are great for depression. I take them when I feel sad, great pick me up.

I talk to my mother all the time about Accutane. And in the end, she's right.

I myself made the decision, I signed the IPledge.

The past is gone, there will always be another day to correct things, live in present it's all we have.

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Posted : 12/23/2014 5:44 am

Another thing, we need to find out the conversion of how much accutane to Vitamin A.

10mg isotretinoin = how much Vitamin A????

I mean how much Vitamin A did we poison ourselves with.

NOTE: Going to make a trip to Colorado by car to find some Rick Simpson Oil / Phoenix Tears.

I can't find it, any where I live.

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Posted : 12/23/2014 6:16 am

Attached Below:

the top left is Accutane.

the top right is Retinol.

the bottom left is Retinoic Acid

the bottom right is Finasteride

They look similar in chemical structure. Why the difference tho?

People comparing Accutane to Finasteride is wrong, the chemical make up is so different it's not funny.

At least Accutane is related to Vitamin A.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotretinoin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol#Retinoid_overdose_.28toxicity.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinoic_acid

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Posted : 12/23/2014 6:59 am

Just going to post this here. Funny but Great Motivational Speaker.

The guy is right you know, at 15 min onward.

We are running out of time.

[Edited video out]

 

UPDATE: Tried the Castor Oil pack over the liver. It was the most relaxing thing in a LONG time for me. I also got a huge erection like wtf.

 

 

I am going to do it once every day.

I used an electric heating pad on top. The heat alone was making my body do some CRAZY THINGS!!!

My feet were tingling, my eyes were tingling. I could feel the TOXINS coming out!

http://www.amazon.com/Heritage-Store-Organic-Castor-Ounce/dp/B0013YYNDM

http://www.amazon.com/Wool-Flannel-12-27-Pack/dp/B0011DQRIE

 

[Edited video out]

 

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Posted : 12/23/2014 8:48 am

My dark blindness is proved by a very special eye hospital. Dr adviced to take some vitamineA. Is there anybody who recovered from night blindness?

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Posted : 12/23/2014 9:12 am

I will try taking Vitamin A just to see what happens.

Been avoiding it for awhile now.

Also if anyone is struggling with erections try:

http://www.drugs.com/hcg.html

HCG shots from a Hollistic Doctor. This might jumpstart your libido again, it did for me.

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Posted : 12/23/2014 10:13 am

I will take the Moly everyday. Already have more energy.

Why is accutane more dangerous than say overdosing on Cod Liver OIl.

Would Cod Liver Oil cause epigentic changes???? I mean wtf...

How many different types of Vitamin A is there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinoic_acid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alitretinoin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretinoin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotretinoin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinal

Retinoid overdose (toxicity) see Hypervitaminosis A for details

The Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) for vitamin A, for a 25-year-old male, is 3,000 micrograms/day, or about 10,000 IU.

Too much vitamin A in retinoid form can be harmful or fatal, resulting in what is known as hypervitaminosis A. The body converts the dimerized form, carotene, into vitamin A as it is needed, therefore high levels of carotene are not toxic compared to the ester (animal) forms. The livers of certain animals, especially those adapted to polar environments, often contain amounts of vitamin A that would be toxic to humans. Thus, vitamin A toxicity is typically reported in Arctic explorers and people taking large doses of synthetic vitamin A. The first documented death due to vitamin A poisoning was Xavier Mertz, a Swiss scientist who died in January 1913 on an Antarctic expedition that had lost its food supplies and fell to eating its sled dogs. Mertz consumed lethal amounts of vitamin A by eating the dogs' livers.[11]

Vitamin A toxicity occurs when an individual ingests vitamin A in large amounts more than the daily recommended value in the threshold of 25,000 IU/Kg or more. Often, the individual consumes about 34 times the RDA's specification.[1] Toxicity of vitamin A is believed to be associated with the intervention methods used to upgrade vitamin A levels in the body such as food modification, fortification and supplementation, all of which are employed to combat vitamin A deficiency [12] Toxicity is classified into two categories: acute and chronic toxicities. The former occurs few hours or days after ingestion of large amounts of vitamin A accidentally or via inappropriate therapy. The later toxicity (Chronic) takes place when about 25,000 IU/Kg or more of vitamin A is consumed for a prolonged period of time. Symptoms associated with both toxicities include, but not limited to nausea, blurred vision, fatigue, weight-loss, menstrual abnormalities etc.[13]

If eaten in one meal, 30 to 90 grams (1.13.2 oz) of polar bear liver is enough to kill a human being, or to make even sled dogs very ill.[14]

Excess vitamin A has also been suspected to be a contributor to osteoporosis. This seems to happen at much lower doses than those required to induce acute intoxication. Only preformed vitamin A can cause these problems, because the conversion of carotenoids into vitamin A is downregulated when physiological requirements are met. An excessive uptake of carotenoids can, however, cause carotenosis.

Dietary supplementation with -carotene was interestingly associated with an increase in lung cancer when it was studied in a lung cancer prevention trial in male smokers. In non-smokers, the opposite effect has been noted.

Excess preformed vitamin A during early pregnancy has also been associated with a significant increase in birth defects.[15] These defects may be severe, even life-threatening. Even twice the daily recommended amount can cause severe birth defects.[16] The FDA currently recommends that pregnant women get their vitamin A from foods containing -carotene and that they should ensure that they consume no more than 5,000 IU of preformed vitamin A (if any) per day. Although vitamin A is necessary for fetal development, most women carry stores of vitamin A in their fat cells, so oversupplementation should be strictly avoided.

A review of all randomized controlled trials in the scientific literature by the Cochrane Collaboration published in JAMA in 2007 found that supplementation with -carotene or vitamin A increased mortality by 5% and 16%, respectively.[17]

Contrary to earlier observations, recent studies emerging from some developing countries (India, Bangladesh and Indonesia) have strongly suggested that dosing expectant mothers in the population in which vitamin A deficiency is common and maternal mortality is high can greatly reduce the maternal mortality rate.[3] Similarly, dosing newborn infants with 50,000 IU (15 mg) of vitamin A within 2 days of birth, can significantly reduce neonatal mortality.[18][19]

Sources

All sources of vitamin A can provide retinol, but retinoids are found naturally in some foods of animal origin. Each of the following contains at least 0.15 mg of retinoids per 1.757 oz (50198 g):

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Posted : 12/23/2014 10:32 am

NOTE:

Anyone finding it hard to concentrate anymore?

I don't know if the stress is just screwing with me. Had some grey hairs at 25!!!!

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Posted : 12/23/2014 2:38 pm

10mg isotretinoin = how much Vitamin A????

I mean how much Vitamin A did we poison ourselves with.

 

 

NOTE: Going to make a trip to Colorado by car to find some Rick Simpson Oil / Phoenix Tears.

I can't find it, any where I live.

We didn't overdose on Vit A. We depleted ourselves of Vit A. Accutane has a different structure than natural Vit A. Paragraph from Chris Masterjohn's Pursuit of Happiness Article:

"Accutane is not vitamin A. The body handles it differently from natural vitamin A (see Figure 4) and there are a number of lines of evidence showing that it acts as an anti-vitamin A compound that can aggravate vitamin A deficiency. In newborn mice treated with dexamethasone, a drug that induces emphysema-like changes to lung tissue, natural vitamin A helps treat the disorder while the active ingredient of Accutane has no effect and may even make it worse.30Accutane caused night blindness, a traditional sign of vitamin A deficiency, in a child with cystic fibrosis, whereas vitamin A supplementation resolved the night blindness.31 In rats, the active ingredient of this drug accumulates in the eyes and interferes with vitamin A recycling; rats taking it at high doses took fifty times longer to recover from exposure to intense light than rats that did not take the drug at all.32

A physician published a letter earlier this year reporting that two patients developed depression on Accutane; when the physician took them off the drug and supplemented them with 10-12,000 IU of vitamin A for seven to ten days, the depression resolved and they were able to go back on the drug without it recurring.33 The totality of the evidence strongly suggests that vitamin A deficiency contributes to depression and that Accutane is associated with this mental illness because it interferes with vitamin A metabolism."

Let me know if you end up getting the RSO and if it helps you.

My dark blindness is proved by a very special eye hospital. Dr adviced to take some vitamineA. Is there anybody who recovered from night blindness?

I have slightly gotten better at being able to see in the dark. It used to be horrible. I eat loads of liver nowadays. I wouldn't get your Vit A through a supplement.

I will try taking Vitamin A just to see what happens.

Been avoiding it for awhile now.

 

Also if anyone is struggling with erections try:

http://www.drugs.com/hcg.html

HCG shots from a Hollistic Doctor. This might jumpstart your libido again, it did for me.

Try to get your Vit A from food. The last thing we need is more synthetic Vit A.

Just had my testosterone checked and it was 225 ng/dl. Normal range is 280-800. I'm 20 yrs old. Still have a strong libido though so that's strange.

I am going to eat liver with cod liver oil mixed with vitamin butter oil. Here is the brand I am getting with rough price and vitamin ranges:

Blue Ice Royal Butter Oil / Fermented Cod Liver Oil Blend Non-Flavored (Gel) $69.99
*2/3 Cod Liver Oil
*1/3 K2 rich high vitamin butter oil
$1.46 per teaspoon = 9500 IU vit A and 1950 IU vit D
48 servings
$0.73 per 1/2 tspoon= 4750 IU vit A and 975 IU vit D
96 servings
Entire 240mL jar has 456,000 IU vit A and 93,600 IU vit D
*These are amazon prices. Cheaper from the official website
*I plan on taking 1 tsp/day

Retinoid overdose (toxicity) see Hypervitaminosis A for details

Instead of looking at hypervitaminosis A symptoms, check out hypovitaminosis A:

http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Vitamin-A-Deficiency.htm

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