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Charcoal will only bind things in the intestine. Only some cells & enzyme can metabolize 13-cis retinoic acid, and i believe only the liver can bind it with glucuronic acid and expell it (again, human liver isn't adapted to handle high amount of preformed vitamin A, we are a frugivorus species, not like carnivorus who handle it very well). I don't think that charcoal can reach any molecule stuck inside the wall & the lymphatic system of the intestine. The best theory about that is the long fermented kombucha & the d-glucarate. The problem is that it's not the accutane molecule that cause the biggest problems, it's also the converted form all-trans retinoic acid.
I took beta carotene & fermented skate liver oil (+charcoal & other things) in my last experiments before understanding physiology and from what i experienced, it maked me feel better and worse at the same times, i can't really explain why. I took those for almost a year, i believe that fixed my eyes issue since i had to take glasses after accutane (i hated it only used them 2month) and now, i see blurry with those and my eyes are now perfect.
Two theories the body become highly deficient in some form/metabolite of vitamin A after accutane* and/or it can put into circulation some accutane residue. The liver only convert beta-carotene into vitamin A if he need it, you can't overdose with beta-carotene. But anyway, if you want to expell accutane faster, in the theory it's still in us (highly doubt it), the best way is always the same, clearing the lymphatic system, getting your kidneys filtering that lymph who will permit your organs to be freed from their obstruction/congestion & they will do their job at restoring the balance. I only saw very limited results before detoxing & changing my diet, like everyone else.
Everyone person who doesn't take into account the lymphatic system (cleansing system) which is 3 times bigger than the blood system will never understand health issue.
* http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/the-pursuit-of-happiness/ the only one interesting study i saw. Don't take any preformed vitamin A after accutane until at least after 2-3 years (like i did), plus the human body isn't made for it so don't take it at all (didn't knew it at that time). Beta-carotene is fine since the body convert it when he need it.
Your absolutely right anonyy about simultaneous toxicity and deficiency. I have a horrendous reaction to eating anything with retinol in it, even to this day. Over a long period of time it can cause other problems not just skin, hair loss, cracked lips, cracking joint's, but actually migrate to things like testicular damage, nerve damage, further liver damage through the circulation of accutane after eating retinol foods. In my case the accutane was not removed because i was sick in the first place when i took the drug, i just didn't realise the acne was actually a case of a deeper underlying problem. One of more of my liver, kidney's, colon or lymph was not filtering properly and the drug was not detoxifyed as it should be.
Your right though, classically accutane victims display a vitamin A toxicity evidenced by cracked lips, dry skin, no sebum production, hair loss, joint pains etc, but after a certain time of avoiding vitamin A they also develop simultanous deficiency in areas where other forms of retinol, like retinol / retinal etc are used like eye health, so it's a double edged sword.
I've got a question for you, why does eating grains / legumes impinge on detoxification of the lymph?
Chico you sound exactly like me. have you had your bilirubin checked? maybe everyone with Gilberts disease couldn't excrete any of this.
Your absolutely right anonyy about simultaneous toxicity and deficiency. I have a horrendous reaction to eating anything with retinol in it, even to this day. Over a long period of time it can cause other problems not just skin, hair loss, cracked lips, cracking joint's, but actually migrate to things like testicular damage, nerve damage, further liver damage through the circulation of accutane after eating retinol foods. In my case the accutane was not removed because i was sick in the first place when i took the drug, i just didn't realise the acne was actually a case of a deeper underlying problem. One of more of my liver, kidney's, colon or lymph was not filtering properly and the drug was not detoxifyed as it should be.
Your right though, classically accutane victims display a vitamin A toxicity evidenced by cracked lips, dry skin, no sebum production, hair loss, joint pains etc, but after a certain time of avoiding vitamin A they also develop simultanous deficiency in areas where other forms of retinol, like retinol / retinal etc are used like eye health, so it's a double edged sword.
I've got a question for you, why does eating grains / legumes impinge on detoxification of the lymph?
What explanation is there for having signs of both an excess and deficiency at the same time?
And how how were you sick in the first place?
Charcoal will only bind things in the intestine. Only some cells & enzyme can metabolize 13-cis retinoic acid, and i believe only the liver can bind it with glucuronic acid and expell it (again, human liver isn't adapted to handle high amount of preformed vitamin A, we are a frugivorus species, not like carnivorus who handle it very well). I don't think that charcoal can reach any molecule stuck inside the wall & the lymphatic system of the intestine. The best theory about that is the long fermented kombucha & the d-glucarate. The problem is that it's not the accutane molecule that cause the biggest problems, it's also the converted form all-trans retinoic acid.
I took beta carotene & fermented skate liver oil (+charcoal & other things) in my last experiments before understanding physiology and from what i experienced, it maked me feel better and worse at the same times, i can't really explain why. I took those for almost a year, i believe that fixed my eyes issue since i had to take glasses after accutane (i hated it only used them 2month) and now, i see blurry with those and my eyes are now perfect.
Two theories the body become highly deficient in some form/metabolite of vitamin A after accutane* and/or it can put into circulation some accutane residue. The liver only convert beta-carotene into vitamin A if he need it, you can't overdose with beta-carotene. But anyway, if you want to expell accutane faster, in the theory it's still in us (highly doubt it), the best way is always the same, clearing the lymphatic system, getting your kidneys filtering that lymph who will permit your organs to be freed from their obstruction/congestion & they will do their job at restoring the balance. I only saw very limited results before detoxing & changing my diet, like everyone else.
Everyone person who doesn't take into account the lymphatic system (cleansing system) which is 3 times bigger than the blood system will never understand health issue.
* http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/the-pursuit-of-happiness/ the only one interesting study i saw. Don't take any preformed vitamin A after accutane until at least after 2-3 years (like i did), plus the human body isn't made for it so don't take it at all (didn't knew it at that time). Beta-carotene is fine since the body convert it when he need it.
Your absolutely right anonyy about simultaneous toxicity and deficiency. I have a horrendous reaction to eating anything with retinol in it, even to this day. Over a long period of time it can cause other problems not just skin, hair loss, cracked lips, cracking joint's, but actually migrate to things like testicular damage, nerve damage, further liver damage through the circulation of accutane after eating retinol foods. In my case the accutane was not removed because i was sick in the first place when i took the drug, i just didn't realise the acne was actually a case of a deeper underlying problem. One of more of my liver, kidney's, colon or lymph was not filtering properly and the drug was not detoxifyed as it should be.
Your right though, classically accutane victims display a vitamin A toxicity evidenced by cracked lips, dry skin, no sebum production, hair loss, joint pains etc, but after a certain time of avoiding vitamin A they also develop simultanous deficiency in areas where other forms of retinol, like retinol / retinal etc are used like eye health, so it's a double edged sword.
I've got a question for you, why does eating grains / legumes impinge on detoxification of the lymph?
Chico you sound exactly like me. have you had your bilirubin checked? maybe everyone with Gilberts disease couldn't excrete any of this.
I haven't had it checked, i went years ago and got a liver test and all the blood work came back normal, but i'll have to go again. I've got no bile flow, that's the major issue with myself at the moment, i'm afraid to go to the doctors about it because i hate the allopathic system for what they did to me in the first place with accutane, but i'll have to bite the bullet and get it checked out.
I've tried liver flushes recently, i got no stones out, i don't even get a pressure feeling in my gallbladder when i do it, i get nothing, my gallbladder is just not working, i also get itchy skin every time i eat fat, which is a telltale sign.
Your absolutely right anonyy about simultaneous toxicity and deficiency. I have a horrendous reaction to eating anything with retinol in it, even to this day. Over a long period of time it can cause other problems not just skin, hair loss, cracked lips, cracking joint's, but actually migrate to things like testicular damage, nerve damage, further liver damage through the circulation of accutane after eating retinol foods. In my case the accutane was not removed because i was sick in the first place when i took the drug, i just didn't realise the acne was actually a case of a deeper underlying problem. One of more of my liver, kidney's, colon or lymph was not filtering properly and the drug was not detoxifyed as it should be.
Your right though, classically accutane victims display a vitamin A toxicity evidenced by cracked lips, dry skin, no sebum production, hair loss, joint pains etc, but after a certain time of avoiding vitamin A they also develop simultanous deficiency in areas where other forms of retinol, like retinol / retinal etc are used like eye health, so it's a double edged sword.
I've got a question for you, why does eating grains / legumes impinge on detoxification of the lymph?
What explanation is there for having signs of both an excess and deficiency at the same time?
And how how were you sick in the first place?
Well when accutane gets stored in fat, (fat soluble drug), some people don't detoxify it after treatment ceases. It brings about symptoms of hypervitaminosis A, people in this situation sometimes find they cannot eat retinol because it makes all their sides worse, so they avoid it, which causes the simultaneous thing i was talking about. The highlighted bit takes it from there.
I was sick because i had very severe acne and there was just something wrong with my detoxification organs because there was no history of it in my family, i didn't have the intelligence to go a more naturalistic approach so i took accutane and it really fucked me up majorly because my body wasn't capable of removing it for whatever reason, so i know there was something wrong from the outset.
Retinol is used for various things in the body and retinal is used for other things, in a fully working system the body creates retinol from beta carotene and then uses that retinol were it's needed, then it converts some to retinal and that gets used were it's needed (eye health) and then end stage is retinoic acid and retinoic acid is solely used pretty much to control cell division. Accutane is a synthetic variation of retinoic acid so when you take a lot of it you get vitamin A toxicity, the same is true if you eat a lot of liver, or cod liver oil, you'll get vitamin A toxicity, but retinol toxicity is much harsher on the liver than retinoic acid is, because retinoic acid doesn't get stored in the liver.
Taking lot's of vitamin A shuts down the sebum glands but taking retinoic acid also increases skin shedding, because it controls that cell division of the skin, so it works for acne because of those things. Unfortunately if your liver isn't working properly, or your kidneys, lymph etc then it might not get removed first pass so it gets stored in the fat, usually if this happens you'll know about it because you'll get areas of skin that shed faster than the rest of the skin on your body.
Thats because the retinoic acid (accutane) binds to the receptors in these fat cells and influences them by doing what it's meant to do CONTROL CELL DIVISION. So these areas will start developing what look's like sebborheic dermatitis or psoriasis, because these skin conditions are characterised by skin that grows much quicker than normal skin, hence coal tar creams and things that slow down skin cell division. So the areas with the psoriasis or seb derm are in fact the areas where the accutane is stored, of course this is for those that developed the skin conditions i'm talking about as a direct result of accutane. It really doesn't have to be full blown psorasis, it could be an area where the skin just seems to shed at a different rate than the rest of your body, obviously it's proportional to how much accutane you took, the more stored in the fat cells the more prominent the shedding, and over a wider area.
Hi tryingtohelp,
I did it pretty much the typical way you'll find it described. Leave kefir grains in milk for 12-24 hours (mine usually only takes around 15hr). Then separate grains and kefir, put grains in new milk. Leave new kefir out for second fermentation a few hours. Repeat.
Kefir should heal your digestive issues. I have witnessed some wild things kefir has done for people.
Also, the quickest and best way to get a hold of the grains is to find someone locally who has them or go on Craigslist. I find that way better than buying starter kits online since those have to grow.
Thanks backing up the theory : p difficult to know exactly what the symptomatic effects are but the most important is that we know how to get rid of them, there is only one way to heal any health issues. Not sure about the cell division theory & fat storage, accutane does damage to the skin cause it convert to all trans retinoic acid. I don't know where accutane can still be there (i don't think it is) but as it interconvert to ATRA and back to 13cis retinoic acid inside cells it's hard to know, since it's not found in blood after some month the only theory (in case he's still there) is like mercury poisoning, even if you don't find it in blood it can be "trapped" in some cells and the interstitial fluid, i don't know, we can only make supposition. But there is only one solution anyway, we don't need to bother about the symptomatic effects or where it can be stored, they are just a curiosity and pretty much meaningless when we know physiology, we can't force it to be expelled except by detoxing and enhancing organs & glands function. And the main problem anyway is the remaining congestion & acidosis (toxicity). In a body full of congestion & toxicity/acidosis it won't be expelled (if still there) and most importantly, the body won't ever regenerate.
About grains they are too complex starches, difficult to digest and act like a glue on the intestine, feeding the bad fungus, causing malabsorption & hard on the pancreas. Beans hard to digest too and lot of anti nutrients. Everything that require too much energy for digestion will prevent detoxification processes. But after some time detoxing when you feel better enough some beans aren't that bad, grains i will forever avoid them i believe, far too complex, quinoa, sweet potatoes, chestnut are better.
Some crucial information on cell turnover rates in the human body:
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The same information can be found all over the internet and in textbooks. Scientists, religious zealots, atheists, green people, orange people, men, women, children, and naturopathic healers all seem to generally agree on this one thing as well.
The point being:
- The carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen atoms from the Accutane molecule are long gone within ten years,
- Any cells in your body that at one point contained the Accutane molecule are long gone within ten years.
- That's not even taking into consideration cellular mechanisms like CYP enzymes and glucuronidation that actively deactivate and remove the Accutane molecule from your body.
So, why do we have people like myself that are 10-20 years into suffering side effects?
It is NOT because Accutane is still trapped in our bodies. None of us.
If anything, Accutane has been shown to cause cellular turnover rate to increase.
Chico, I don't doubt for one minute the symptoms you say you are experiencing, but there is an alternative explanation besides Accutane being stuck.
...I get hated on every time for bringing up heritable chromatin modifications and/or DNA methylation, so I'll let it be for now.
Hi tryingtohelp,
I did it pretty much the typical way you'll find it described. Leave kefir grains in milk for 12-24 hours (mine usually only takes around 15hr). Then separate grains and kefir, put grains in new milk. Leave new kefir out for second fermentation a few hours. Repeat.
Kefir should heal your digestive issues. I have witnessed some wild things kefir has done for people.
Also, the quickest and best way to get a hold of the grains is to find someone locally who has them or go on Craigslist. I find that way better than buying starter kits online since those have to grow.
thanks, i found a local guy on CL with the grains.. will pick up this week and try it...and tell you how it goes. would love to hear the wild stories... anything helps.
im going to try the 23andme genetic test as well like this guy did.
I forgot to mention this for those so afraid of deficiencies:
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If you have deficiencies it's because of weak liver & adrenals (mainly) (since they play a big part of those transmutation&balance process) and also interstitial fluid & lymph congestion when nutrient can't reach cells. Vitamins is more damaged intestines & flora, but also liver, etc.. ofc. So the only solution as always is cleansing & regenerating the organs to restore proper function, not taking huge amount of dirty isolates or chemicals to stimulate them temporarly (and not fixing + enhancing the problem).
Having actually had a little gander of the world wide web for Robert Morse ND on google just to look for testimonies and what not. All I can find is either people critiquing him or haven't heard of him. Even on the raw vegan websites. Durian Rider who seems to be one of the most well known and passionate raw vegans even thinks Robert Morse is a quack.
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There is also the fact if Robert Morse practised what he preached wouldn't he look to be in better shape? He looks to be in pretty poor form.
And if this guy genuinely had saved even hundreds of lives wouldn't there be a little more to show for it online?
What I'm also finding is a lot of raw vegans say with 100% conviction that any disease can be cured. Wouldn't it be easy to test this theory by simply infecting one of the believers with a deadly disease and then watching them recover? It would put the medical system out of business within months.
It's also interesting to note that the 'God Complex' of Robert Norse and other similar proponents exceeds that of traditional doctors. Morse believes he has the answer for every disease in existence from the past to the future and won't take evidence to the contrary for an answer. Traditional doctors think they know everything, but if superior evidence emerges they adapt and proceed. There also seems to be a preponderance of personal insults thrown by these forerunners of alternative treatments.
He's a solid con-man considering people are willing to shell out $150+ for an appointment when I guess the answer is eat lots of fruits and use all these herbs that I make a profit off. Although there are so many variations that he can still make money when it isn't working. If just eating fruit,veg is working try eating just fruits, when that isn't working just do berries and melons, when that isn't working just do a mono-fruit diet, when that isn't working use herb x,y,z too and so forth.
With all that said; as I've said before I believe diet is very important but I don't believe it can cure everything. If so we would be immortal. It's the same with how anonny you say we are adapted to eat the fruitarian diet like baboons and so forth. If it is true that this diet can cure all disease how is that baboons and similar primates still end up with diseases such as cancer and die of AIDS even when living in their natural habitat?
Each time I end up following the fruitarian diet I notice my gastric issues get a little worse, albeit not by much and they stay steady at that level. I think it's just simply eating 20-30 portions of fruit a day is just going to give you at least slightly sloppy turds. Nothing more, nothing less.
Also another topic of inquiry for those suggesting Accutane is still stored in the body and that is what explains the resurgence of side effects when fasting. Is there any chance those who experience this effect also find eating retinol gives them sides? If this is the case, could it not be that your Vitamin A enzymatic pathways have been altered and that when you fast you release Free Fatty Acids into your blood stream and thus the attached `Vit A is released causing issues. Rather than retinoic acid being excreted?
Also Chico, no acknowledgement that you may have belittled my sides a little over aggressively or my intentions for that matter...?
Anyway,
RSO UPDATE - circa 5 weeks
First, the bad stuff:
The oil is potent. It knocks you out even at small doses and can leave you feeling groggy well into the next day. As has been mentioned before your short term memory is on standby mode even for a little while after stopping the oil.
Sadly so far not much has changed in regards to my sexual issues.
I'm at a bit of a loss how to explain how when I first starting vaping my libido returned, my ejaculate force and density increased and my erection quality increased massively but my sensitivity still stood stuck at 0%. If all of those are controlled to an extent by 5 alpha reductase and cannabis influences these receptors surely all these sides should have shown variations but that is not so.
I'm still better than was when I first started vaping but one unfortunate thing is I believe the complete lack of sensitivity is due to very much altered 5ARr is causing my penile cells to be starved of certain hormones and is causing an hourglass shape to form as found on the propeciahelp site. This may or may not be the onset peyronies disease I cannot be sure yet. I have given thought to that it may be cannabis as it does have certain anti-androgenic compounds and thus there is the possibility that those who recovered from sexual sides through cannabis were simply recovering the same way that some others had by using an anti-androgenic substance and that in fact I could in fact be playing with fire here. I await the "AHA see it's all BS" responses, perhaps it is. But we cannot deny those who have already recovered through its use.
Now for the good stuff:
As some who have followed for a while know I used to have severe gastric issues until I followed the SC diet which allowed my gut to slowly heal up to about 80% and now I can get away with quite a lot dietary wise. However, it seems to have stayed relatively stable for a few months and I had through some conjecture figured I still have some gut lining damage (my sensitivity to caffeine and spicy foods) and some bacterial imbalance (inability to eat carbohydrates other than fruit).
However, after 4 weeks of taking the oil I thought I'd do a little test. If I had a very very strong coffee after a very very large meal that would pretty much guarantee a fair bit of discomfort and diarrhoea. Nothing this time, perhaps and urge to go, but was mild. So I was pleasantly surprised. I then thought I'd push the boat out and see how much my GI tract could take just so I could definitively say whether or not I had improved. For a whole 7 days I ate everything that would give me problems including pizza, spicy food, caffeine, sugar, cereal and in large portions no less. Nothing more than a bit of flatulence, although towards the end I did get slightly more 'wet' stools (lovely) but not close to diarrhoea. Before the oil by about the 2-3rd day I would start to experience increasingly poor symptoms. Back to a good diet now.
So what confuses me in regards to that is how is the RSO conferring a benefit to what I believed were problems caused by bacterial imbalances? RSO wouldn't cause bacterial regeneration although perhaps it could have repaired the gut lining to the extent that the lining was more resilient to the toxins released by unwanted gut flora. I couldn't say.
Furthermore, I should point out that these benefits could simply be present whilst on the oil and that when I come off the issues would come back. However, seeing testimonials on youtube in regards to Chron's and RSO alongside some evidence means I'm hopeful.
That's all for now.
Durian rider is a complete sociopath / psychopath and thinks everyone that doesn't follow Doug Graham is a quack. The man has about the same amount of intelligence as a plank of wood and bans people from his charlatan site at the first consideration of eating meat, or doing something he doesn't 100% agree with. He charges people hundreds of dollars for a single skype session informing them to eat more banana's, the man is the very definition of charlatan. He's also been known to send death threats to defectors of his ideology and harassed prominent paleo youtubers into getting restraining orders taken out against him, such is the level of abuse. He certainly doesn't deserve to be held up as any sort of truth gauge unless the gauge itself, was a mentalism gauge.
Robert Morse sells herbs at exorbitant prices, he doesn't live the lifestyle he preaches, but his information is actually very good. Don't get me wrong, he can be perceived as a charlatan as well and i suppose there is an aspect of that, like with all healers in the sense that he's selling his own product, but i think his intentions are very much noble.
About the vitamin A thing, maybe, possible certainly, but then again why would the skin condition completely go away when fasting?
As for the ad hominem attacks on your person i do apologise for that, i apologise for discrediting your character, that wasn't called for. i don't however apologise for calling it bs and it does irritate me that this site is used as a 'cannabinoid' research centre, but then again people are probably fed up of my long winded diatribes about accutane, so i can see it both way's. Will you accept my apology Crank?
So thankful for that response Chico! Much appreciated.
I'd rather we discuss our ideas here in an intellectual manner rather than just falling into a pit of needless abuse. Don't get me wrong, I've been there before!
Ha I agree. Durian Rider is a character and a half, and I don't doubt that his lifestyle is healthier than the average person but he is most definitely on the sociopath spectrum!
I also believe that wha..
Hold on somethings come up.. I'll finish this later!
Hi guys,
Haven't been on acne.org in a few years, but this topic caught my eye.
Sorry if this has been asked in the 273 pages, but to those thinking they have accutane induced erectile dysfunction, are you still able to get an erection to porn? And also how much exercise do you do normally in a week, if you are experiencing e.d.?
Ouch man, Thanks for the response.
I was on Accutane 8 years ago and have just now started to have e.d. problems. I was trying to narrow down if this was caused by accutane or was porn induced e.d. I think its the latter since I can still get erections from watching porn without stimulation.
Although Accutane did the job at clearing my skin, I have had mild rosacea as well as i.b.s. since taking..
Don't know what to tell you man.
I don't believe in porn-induced ED. It's entirely plausible that porn might not have the same psychological effect after getting bored with watching it, but there's no known reason that should contribute to either loss of sensitivity or underlying "physical" origins of E.D.
There appears to be a few other medications capable of causing sexual dysfunction similar to that experienced by former Accutane users:
Finasteride (Propecia)
Dutaseride (Avodart)
Saw Palmetto
and several SSRI medications
Did the ED correlate with taking any of these medications?
There are scattered reports on the internet of progestin-based birth control causing long term sexual dysfunction in women, but hopefully you weren't that hungry that you were popping your GF's Yaz like Tic-Tacs.
8 years off Accutane is an extremely long time for it to first begin having a negative effect.
Might simply be low T or another hormonal problem.
You might want to see an endocrinologist about getting your testosterone levels checked out.
What really sucks about having sexual side effects from Accutane in particular is that T or DHT levels don't really seem to make a difference.
About the vitamin A thing, maybe, possible certainly, but then again why would the skin condition completely go away when fasting?
Just have some thoughts about the quoted statement:
Could the skin condition have been a bad reaction to something you were getting regularly in you diet that would have been absent during the fast? Vitamin A possibly? or something else?
Could fasting itself have had a positive effect on your skin condition, food intake aside? What is meant by that is there are all sorts of physiological changes induced by short-term starvation that have been documented.
I tried a 7 day fast (only water) as a "shot it the dark" treatment and nothing much changed except I became very weak during the last 4 days.
Same with cutting vitamin A in my diet. Didn't help at all, and eating tons of vitamin A rich foods (eggs, spinach, carrots, butter), plus multivitamins containing vit A, doesn't make my symptoms any worse.
Only mentioning this due to all of the posts in this thread where people said their symptoms came back or worsened when eating food or taking supplements containing vitamin A.
My apologies if I'm missing out on something you already know or already explained.
Robert Morse win 0$ with his tincture (24$ for a 1:2 or 1:4 extract with 15 ingredients you won't find lower price (herbsfordetox is not his website)), he only win his life with his appointment who i agree are expensive, but since it's more than worth it and since he give all his knowledge and help for free on youtube and email, and since he work fulltime since 40 years i can't blame him. But again this is not important, the only thing that matter are the results and the knowledge that he shares for free to all. If you don't like Dr Morse you can still find what he says somewhere else, he didn't invented anything.
He does the lifestyle he "preach", he just eat sometimes cooked food like sweet potatoes. He said it many times in his video, if you want to detox fast you eat 100% raw fruits or you can eat some cooked food to go slower, there is no conspiration here.
He doesn't advise fasting.
D. & libido issue are 100% adrenals weakness, take the 'professional formulas' glandular and you'll see. Don't take any other glandular than adrenals, those glandular's are extremely powerful and should not be used on a gland in a hyper-state.
Hi everyone,
I have completely lost the will to live, and a lot of this is due to my side effects. (e.g painful, tingling, burning skin a lot of the time, acne scarring, flushing, sweating, mental health problems, IBS, exfoliative chelitis).
I am here to vent, but also to seek any advice on how to carry on living because I really don't feel as though I can function. I am burdened with uncomfortable permanent side effects (I'm 12 years post accutane), debt in trying to treat my skin and mental heath issues and suffer from anxiety and depression on a regular basis. I have functioned with all this on top of the day-to-day issues we all deal with, but only just. I have actually contemplated suicide a number of times but feel as though now, at the age of 29, I am ready to go ahead with this.
Has anyone managed to turn their live around?
I feel as though I just cope, I have had ups and downs but there has never been a day I have not thought about accutane and the effects it had. I have been robbed of so many things in life because of its impact on me (I accept others could deal better, but sadly I have weak mental health and vitality and this was hit hard by my accutane experience).
Sorry for a sad post, but I have nowhere to go to discuss this.
Hi everyone,
I have completely lost the will to live, and a lot of this is due to my side effects. (e.g painful, tingling, burning skin a lot of the time, acne scarring, flushing, sweating, mental health problems, IBS, exfoliative chelitis).
I am here to vent, but also to seek any advice on how to carry on living because I really don't feel as though I can function. I am burdened with uncomfortable permanent side effects (I'm 12 years post accutane), debt in trying to treat my skin and mental heath issues and suffer from anxiety and depression on a regular basis. I have functioned with all this on top of the day-to-day issues we all deal with, but only just. I have actually contemplated suicide a number of times but feel as though now, at the age of 29, I am ready to go ahead with this.
Has anyone managed to turn their live around?
I feel as though I just cope, I have had ups and downs but there has never been a day I have not thought about accutane and the effects it had. I have been robbed of so many things in life because of its impact on me (I accept others could deal better, but sadly I have weak mental health and vitality and this was hit hard by my accutane experience).
Sorry for a sad post, but I have nowhere to go to discuss this.
Don't worry Jamie, I know exactly how you feel. The side effects from taking accutane are having a HUGE impact on the way I am living my life. The past 2 years or so after I took accutane, the side effects just kept building up to the point where it is now and feel it can't get any worse than it is now. This includes only being able to get a 50% erection even with manual stimulation, loss of sensation, mental fogginess issues, major hair loss( you could acctually go back in the posts of mine cause I put a couple of pictures up of my hair a couple months ago). On top of that, I have the same acne that I had before taking accutane! And lIke you said this is not counting the things we deal with every day. These side effects just make it 10 times harder to deal with those every day things because of these side effects always being on your mind and actually having to deal with them. I can't fully function in life like I should half the time because of what I am dealing with. I can no longer get "excited" when I see a fine girl or have sexual thoughts because I can't experience them. BTW I am only 23 incase you don't know. I fear I will never get in a serious relationship with a girl because of what I am dealing with.
In the midst of all of this, I try to think of the good things in my life and focuss on them. I have a great family that is supportive, I am going to college and will be graduating with a bachelors degree in business administration pretty soon, and I was raised to make the most out of life no matter what obsticals you face. Though very hard, I try to focus on these things. Don't get me wrong, I have very often had suicidal thoughts, but I think of these things and think of what my family would think if I did it and it stops me from thinking it because I would never want to hurt them by doing that.
Also, I try to never loose hope and am optimistic about finding ways to cope with my side effects. I started weight lifting 3 days a week for the past 2 months and continue to improve my body. I try to make goals for myself so I could focus on other things in life than what is going on with my body.
You have to think like that in order to live your life. Find things you like doing and focuss on that. Try setting goals for yourself and focuss on them and stick with them. You will find that it helps my friend.
Just remember, we are all in the same boat and there is ALWAYS someone that has it worse than you.
Don't ever smoke pot if you doesn't want to destroy even more your adrenals and end up with panic attacks.
Check this out if you want to understand what cause your issue: http://grapegate.com/the-illusion-called-diseases-vol-i
After wasted thousand of euros and tried almost everything that exist, this is the way, the only one, because this is how the body work.
Don't expect to have results in the short term, this happen only to some people with strong energy reserve. Took me 2 years doing lot of flushes & using herbs to get results (& the diet change).
I had same problems as you, most difficult to live with was the mental one, funny that you named exfoliative chelitis, i had this too and i didn't knew that name. You certainly have joint issue too? did you had lot of nosebleed during accutane?
I think also that you are a huge meat/protein eater if i'm not wrong.
Don't think about suicide anymore, there is a way out, but you won't find it in the official "medicine".
Other links: http://grapegate.com/detoxification-the-golden-key
http://grapegate.com/urine-sediment
And you can watch the video i posted in a post last 3 page i think.