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Posted : 04/21/2014 7:00 am

@Cranck How long have you been lifting? I dont feel fatigue/depression either. however, sometimes i have hard time get aroused but maybe it's all in my head or maybe is because i haven't fapped in 90 days and probably iam on flatline.

Iam gonna email you soon enough to get that Research

Also, in the morning i always wake up qwith crazy mood like i want to dance, with other words i feel just fine, iam gonna have my blood test once again because my endo said my results is surely false because i had my blood tested at 8"00 p.m and it suggested that i go early morning between 8:00-10:00 to get the most accurate results.

In my previous test i had pretty low testosterone and my Free testosterone was pretty High which he told me it's impossible to have low total test and High Free test, so he thinks that my results wash't accurate so he had me to hit the labs one more time.

I always liked cardio especially running on football field but i ripped my shoes off and iam waiting my NEW shoes to start again i always felt good after a good jogging+short burst sprint (15-30 seconds) i have heard it can boost yout teststerone.

anyway iam being off topic! Peace brah and have hope that's the only thing we got at this point!`

 

 

I'm afraid I wouldn't count on exercise as a cure. Without being too cocky, I probably do more sport than 99.99% of the population. As I've mentioned before on this thread, I was a national level swimmer doing about 20-30 hours training per week up until 17 when overuse shoulder injuries hampered my progress. I've been lifting weights since 14/15 years old (7-8 years in total now) 2-3x per week these days alongside about 10-16 hours of MMA per week. In regards to manipulating hormones with training;

 

i) Testosterone = heavy weights long rest periods, only 2 exercise have been shown to boost testosterone. Deadlifts and Squats, they stimulate more muscle mass than any other exercise. Keep the reps to about 4-6 and keep the rest at 2 minutes minimum. Maximal effort activities that incorporate a large amount of muscle like sprinting as you mentioned will also boost test.

 

ii) Human Growth Hormone (HGH) = Full body circuits, moderate rest periods is your best bet. Bit like crossfit. HGH production is tied to lactic acid production, the more lactic acid you can get flowing the more HGH you'll pump out.

 

Personally these days I incorporate a bit of everything into my training. Example;

 

i) 5 sets of 5 reps Deadlifts

ii) 2-3 other exercises which assist in improving the deadlift (eg. hamstring raises, back extensions, shrugs)

 

iii) High intensity circuit that stresses the anaerobic system and produces a lot of lactic acid.

iv) 15-30mins steady-state rowing/cycling (traditional 'cardio').

v) Stretching

 

In the end, any exercise is better than none!

 

There is some dietary manipulations that can alter hormones slightly, but exercise is the biggest predictor of large acute changes in hormones. Prolonged resistance training has been shown to cause chronic changes in anabolic hormones, but sadly that doesn't mean accutane side effects are lessened. Case in point being myself -_-

 

 

The only diet I have ever found to work for my acne is ketogenic paleo, google 'dietary cure for acne' it's a book by Dr. Loren Cordain one of the pioneering authors of the paleo movement if you will.

 

I have to say though, if you're already consider yourself a lethargic individual by nature it's not easy. I did it for 3 months and my skin was pretty much flawless, however trying to do several hours of sports on <30-50g of carbs/day is miserable. Also I've found Dan's skin care regime on this website to be amazing I wish I had tried it pre-accutane which has f**ked me over to no end. If you can afford it get the whole set, my skin isn't perfect these days but it's close to it and that it doesn't even bother me anymore.

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Posted : 04/21/2014 7:23 am

[Edited link out] A doctor telling the truth? strange.

Any diet that avoid dairy & grains will "cure" acne. Paleo isn't physiologicaly adapted to our bodies. (i know you know but i'm telling it again for others).

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Posted : 04/21/2014 9:47 am

Just posting here in case any one was else was interested in the research aspect of this;

Had several cannabis recoveries and thus there is speculation that the endocannabinoid system is at least partly involved in these proposed recoveries. Then there is the fact that we've had a few fasting recoveries too (more so propecia than 'tane I believe). Is there a link? I had a quick google gander and found that fasting elicits alterations in the endocannabinoid system too...

Just a thought!

EDIT: I guess this is not entirely surprising - the green gives you munchies which is proposed to be due to its effects on the EC system. You'd think not eating for an extended period of time would also give you a case of the munchies! :D

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Posted : 04/21/2014 10:58 am

Hi, I just joined the community. I have severe acne and my doctor told me to use accutante but I am reading stories about side effects and getting scared. It is bad for the liver?

thank you !

 

Don't do it. Just don't do it. Just read this thread and decide if possibly f**king up your entire life for a few spots is worth it.

 

EDIT: Don't think you can play it safe either. I asked specifically to start on a low dose just to test the waters first. I did 20mg for 10 days. 18 months later I'm still not entirely right. The fact I was literally the pinnacle of health prior to 'tane means it's not just those with issues already who get problems, that's not the case!

 

ACCUTANE IS A CHEMOTHERAPY DRUG! That's how f**king retarded this sh*t is --> Got acne? Here's some chemo for 6 months -_-

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Posted : 04/21/2014 11:29 am

I'm too damn busy at the moment to do anything in regards to this, but if someone else feels a modicum of pro-activity brewing have a read of this and then perhaps email either the author of the article or at least leave a comment.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/Magazine/article1400022.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_04_20#page-1

Yes, I did pay a whole 1 to read and comment on this article. Despite being ridiculously far into 2 overdrafts and in debt with my parents.

Another newspaper article (albeit a local paper) in regards to Jack Bowlby the 16y/o who committed suicide while on 'tane;

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/11156838.Drug_review_welcomed_by_parents_of_tragic_teenager/?ref=var_0

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Posted : 04/22/2014 7:34 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-475746/Doctor-killed-patient-believed-acne-drug-impotent.html

I knew about Hans Peterson a while back as Dubya mentioned him, thought it was psychological issues but apparently not. Accutane rendered him impotent and and as an act of retribution went and murdered his dermatologist.

However, I also have some very good news but cannot share as of yet. Will write up soon. *Such a tease*

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Posted : 04/22/2014 1:10 pm

On 4/21/2014 at 2:09 PM, Gladiatoro said:

Anafiona , rule number 1 , never take a drug you cannot spell correctly , lol... in fact I would advice you to skip drugs entirely and look under the holistic section ie clean up your diet find your trigger foods.

LOL, Sorry, I wrote "acutante" when I meant Accutane. Anyway , you will find spelling mistakes on my post as english is not my native language[Edited image out] thank you for the suggestion! I will have a look

On 4/21/2014 at 11:58 PM, Crank92 said:
On 4/21/2014 at 12:11 AM, anafiona said:

Hi, I just joined the community. I have severe acne and my doctor told me to use accutante but I am reading stories about side effects and getting scared. It is bad for the liver?

thank you !

Don't do it. Just don't do it. Just read this thread and decide if possibly f**king up your entire life for a few spots is worth it.

EDIT: Don't think you can play it safe either. I asked specifically to start on a low dose just to test the waters first. I did 20mg for 10 days. 18 months later I'm still not entirely right. The fact I was literally the pinnacle of health prior to 'tane means it's not just those with issues already who get problems, that's not the case!

ACCUTANE IS A CHEMOTHERAPY DRUG! That's how f**king retarded this sh*t is --> Got acne? Here's some chemo for 6 months -_-

That really got me scared. On youtube there are many videos about people who got serious problems when using it. Have a look here:

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Posted : 04/22/2014 1:16 pm

On 4/23/2014 at 2:10 AM, anafiona said:
On 4/21/2014 at 2:09 PM, Gladiatoro said:

Anafiona , rule number 1 , never take a drug you cannot spell correctly , lol... in fact I would advice you to skip drugs entirely and look under the holistic section ie clean up your diet find your trigger foods.

LOL, Sorry, I wrote "acutante" when I meant Accutane. Anyway , you will find spelling mistakes on my post as english is not my native language[Edited image out] thank you for the suggestion! I will have a look

On 4/21/2014 at 11:58 PM, Crank92 said:

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On 4/21/2014 at 12:11 AM, anafiona said:

Hi, I just joined the community. I have severe acne and my doctor told me to use accutante but I am reading stories about side effects and getting scared. It is bad for the liver?

thank you !

Don't do it. Just don't do it. Just read this thread and decide if possibly f**king up your entire life for a few spots is worth it.

EDIT: Don't think you can play it safe either. I asked specifically to start on a low dose just to test the waters first. I did 20mg for 10 days. 18 months later I'm still not entirely right. The fact I was literally the pinnacle of health prior to 'tane means it's not just those with issues already who get problems, that's not the case!

ACCUTANE IS A CHEMOTHERAPY DRUG! That's how f**king retarded this sh*t is --> Got acne? Here's some chemo for 6 months -_-

That really got me scared. On youtube there are many videos about people who got serious problems when using it. Have a look here:

I don't even want to watch it. I've seen a lot of sh*t since I took this drug.

Please please please don't take this drug. Many of us on this thread will attest that it was the single biggest mistake in their whole life by a large margin.

I do not want to see you back on this thread in 6/12/18 months time with horrid side effects. There was someone on this thread a while back saying it couldn't be 'that bad'. A few dozen pages later they were back saying they were left with this and that for side effects.

So I repeat please DO NOT TAKE THIS DRUG. Find an alternative, any alternative. The only time, and I mean only time you should consider this drug is if you're suicidal over your acne.

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Posted : 04/22/2014 1:25 pm

Wow... after reading some of what is contained here, I am really thinking about stopping my treatment. I am only 11 days in... my acne is not severe but moderate and large outbreaks now scar my skin and do not heal well since I am 33. I don't know what to do but I already hate Accutane (generic). I don't know if it's worth the risks... damn, and I was really hoping this would finally help me regain my confidence... Minocycline was at least helping and was easy on my stomach, should I go back to that?

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Posted : 04/22/2014 1:29 pm

 

Anafiona , rule number 1 , never take a drug you cannot spell correctly , lol... in fact I would advice you to skip drugs entirely and look under the holistic section ie clean up your diet find your trigger foods.

LOL, Sorry, I wrote "acutante" when I meant Accutane. Anyway , you will find spelling mistakes on my post as english is not my native languagehifive.gif thank you for the suggestion! I will have a look

 

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Hi, I just joined the community. I have severe acne and my doctor told me to use accutante but I am reading stories about side effects and getting scared. It is bad for the liver?

thank you !

 

Don't do it. Just don't do it. Just read this thread and decide if possibly f**king up your entire life for a few spots is worth it.

 

EDIT: Don't think you can play it safe either. I asked specifically to start on a low dose just to test the waters first. I did 20mg for 10 days. 18 months later I'm still not entirely right. The fact I was literally the pinnacle of health prior to 'tane means it's not just those with issues already who get problems, that's not the case!

 

ACCUTANE IS A CHEMOTHERAPY DRUG! That's how f**king retarded this sh*t is --> Got acne? Here's some chemo for 6 months -_-

That really got me scared. On youtube there are many videos about people who got serious problems when using it. Have a look here:

 

 

I don't even want to watch it. I've seen a lot of sh*t since I took this drug.

 

Please please please don't take this drug. Many of us on this thread will attest that it was the single biggest mistake in their whole life by a large margin.

I do not want to see you back on this thread in 6/12/18 months time with horrid side effects. There was someone on this thread a while back saying it couldn't be 'that bad'. A few dozen pages later they were back saying they were left with this and that for side effects.

 

So I repeat please DO NOT TAKE THIS DRUG. Find an alternative, any alternative. The only time, and I mean only time you should consider this drug is if you're suicidal over your acne.

Thank you , I will take your advice. I haven´t read the whole thread because I am pretty new on this forum. My main problem is started having acne a few months ago but It has gone to severe. I am starting to lose my self steem and trying to find a miracle or something that can bring me my life back. My mom says Im getting obsessed, but It´s hard anytime I look at the mirror. I used to have a pretty face (not bragging , please , don´t get me wrong)

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Posted : 04/22/2014 6:03 pm

Wow... after reading some of what is contained here, I am really thinking about stopping my treatment. I am only 11 days in... my acne is not severe but moderate and large outbreaks now scar my skin and do not heal well since I am 33. I don't know what to do but I already hate Accutane (generic). I don't know if it's worth the risks... damn, and I was really hoping this would finally help me regain my confidence... Minocycline was at least helping and was easy on my stomach, should I go back to that?

 

I took accutane for 10 days at 20mg as you've probably seen me repeat ad nauseam if you've read more than 2 pages of this thread.

 

I quit due to gastric issues. 3 months later I was completely impotent (no libido, no erections etc), I was sh*tting so much I couldn't leave the house for days at a time and I felt dead to the world. I couldn't 'feel' feelings.

 

There's a reason this thread is so long... It's not even the largest of forums around...

 

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Posted : 04/23/2014 3:12 am

Hallo people, I am one of the "lucky" guys unfortunatelly. After 2months with 40mg/day accutane (zoretanin), I experienced a sudden ED. After 10 days, everything went back to normal, then second crash again impotence. After 10 or so days later again things got better.

Now; I sometimes have morning erections, weak hardness, mostly zero libido, back pain and ringing in the ears.

I realised I feel normal when I eat. I mean I eat everything (health foods+fast food, chocalate, coffee.. No diet). Something I get from this bulk food, it helps, dont know what it is yet. And normal life, support of my gf and funny office (luckly me) helps my recovery I think.

I did the blood test, do you notice any anormalities? DHT test will take some time, I will post it also here.

Age 34 Male

LH 3,97 mIU/ml Ref: 1,2 - 7,8

FSH 1,79 mIU/ml Ref: 1.37 - 13.58

Prolaktin SI 11.78 ng/ml Ref: 1.89 - 21.24

Estradiol E2 SI 28 pg/ml Ref: 11 - 44

Progesteron SI 0.77 ng/ml Ref: 0.2 - 1.40

Testosteron Total SI 23.42 nmol/L Ref: 4.86 - 32.27

Testosteron Free SI 59.34 pmol/L Ref: 30.19 - 104.10

SHBG 22.80 nmol/L Ref: 14.5 - 48.40

DHT - not ready yet.

After the blood test I started cannabis oil, it is my 3th day. I havent noticed anything special yet.

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Posted : 04/23/2014 11:46 am

Hallo people, I am one of the "lucky" guys unfortunatelly. After 2months with 40mg/day accutane (zoretanin), I experienced a sudden ED. After 10 days, everything went back to normal, then second crash again impotence. After 10 or so days later again things got better.

Now; I sometimes have morning erections, weak hardness, mostly zero libido, back pain and ringing in the ears.

I realised I feel normal when I eat. I mean I eat everything (health foods+fast food, chocalate, coffee.. No diet). Something I get from this bulk food, it helps, dont know what it is yet. And normal life, support of my gf and funny office (luckly me) helps my recovery I think.

I did the blood test, do you notice any anormalities? DHT test will take some time, I will post it also here.

Age 34 Male

LH 3,97 mIU/ml Ref: 1,2 - 7,8

FSH 1,79 mIU/ml Ref: 1.37 - 13.58

Prolaktin SI 11.78 ng/ml Ref: 1.89 - 21.24

Estradiol E2 SI 28 pg/ml Ref: 11 - 44

Progesteron SI 0.77 ng/ml Ref: 0.2 - 1.40

Testosteron Total SI 23.42 nmol/L Ref: 4.86 - 32.27

Testosteron Free SI 59.34 pmol/L Ref: 30.19 - 104.10

SHBG 22.80 nmol/L Ref: 14.5 - 48.40

DHT - not ready yet.

After the blood test I started cannabis oil, it is my 3th day. I havent noticed anything special yet.

Those tests sound pretty normal. I'm surprised your testosterone is well within the reference range though, many people including me have testosterone on the low-side, and high cortisol - did you have this tested? My DHT was actually high despite total test being quite low.

 

2 people on this thread have made full recoveries using cannabis oil, but it takes time - one was taking the oil for over 3 months before he noticed he was getting spontanious erections again.

 

Do you know anything about the oil you are taking? Is it purchased or self made? I think there are some oils that come in tinctures that are pretty weak compared to the real stuff. Have you tried smoking or vaping?

 

I've not tried the oil myself, but have noticed some improvements from vaping, although they've not been consistent.

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Posted : 04/23/2014 12:42 pm

 

Hallo people, I am one of the "lucky" guys unfortunatelly. After 2months with 40mg/day accutane (zoretanin), I experienced a sudden ED. After 10 days, everything went back to normal, then second crash again impotence. After 10 or so days later again things got better.

Now; I sometimes have morning erections, weak hardness, mostly zero libido, back pain and ringing in the ears.I realised I feel normal when I eat. I mean I eat everything (health foods+fast food, chocalate, coffee.. No diet). Something I get from this bulk food, it helps, dont know what it is yet. And normal life, support of my gf and funny office (luckly me) helps my recovery I think.

I did the blood test, do you notice any anormalities? DHT test will take some time, I will post it also here.

Age 34 MaleLH 3,97 mIU/ml Ref: 1,2 - 7,8FSH 1,79 mIU/ml Ref: 1.37 - 13.58Prolaktin SI 11.78 ng/ml Ref: 1.89 - 21.24Estradiol E2 SI 28 pg/ml Ref: 11 - 44Progesteron SI 0.77 ng/ml Ref: 0.2 - 1.40Testosteron Total SI 23.42 nmol/L Ref: 4.86 - 32.27Testosteron Free SI 59.34 pmol/L Ref: 30.19 - 104.10SHBG 22.80 nmol/L Ref: 14.5 - 48.40 DHT - not ready yet.

After the blood test I started cannabis oil, it is my 3th day. I havent noticed anything special yet.

Those tests sound pretty normal. I'm surprised your testosterone is well within the reference range though, many people including me have testosterone on the low-side, and high cortisol - did you have this tested? My DHT was actually high despite total test being quite low.

2 people on this thread have made full recoveries using cannabis oil, but it takes time - one was taking the oil for over 3 months before he noticed he was getting spontanious erections again.

Do you know anything about the oil you are taking? Is it purchased or self made? I think there are some oils that come in tinctures that are pretty weak compared to the real stuff. Have you tried smoking or vaping?

I've not tried the oil myself, but have noticed some improvements from vaping, although they've not been consistent.

My mood changes, so the hormones I guess. My Testosteron level was on low side when I first made the blood test (First crash). I did not include cortisol.

I feel like I will overcome with the sympthoms some day, but "sometimes" I feel hopeless. This is due to the change in hormones I guess. (2 days ago I was able to have full erection, now I am not). Right description would be: I was able to have sex, after 30 minutes I was able to have the second(before accutane) now 30 minutes became 4 days or one week.

I bought the oil from zadevital.com (you can choose EN for english version) . The oil is made by cold press. I can not get cannabis it is not legal here. (Turkey). I will keep trting the oil.

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Posted : 04/23/2014 1:17 pm

I bought the oil from zadevital.com (you can choose EN for english version) . The oil is made by cold press. I can not get cannabis it is not legal here. (Turkey). I will keep trting the oil.

That's not the same stuff, you need to be taking proper cannabis oil which is completely different, and much much stronger than dietry oils. I dont think you'll get any effect from that, but there's probably no harm in trying.

 

I've tried various hemp oil's such as Cibdex, medi wedt oil, RSHO oil but none of them had any effect at all, yet after vaping proper cannabis I experienced glimses of normal functioning.

Legality is obviously an issue in most places unfortunately, but with the climate in Turkey outdoor grows are probably quite viable. It might be worth looking into.

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Posted : 04/23/2014 1:39 pm

 

I bought the oil from zadevital.com (you can choose EN for english version) . The oil is made by cold press. I can not get cannabis it is not legal here. (Turkey). I will keep trting the oil.

That's not the same stuff, you need to be taking proper cannabis oil which is completely different, and much much stronger than dietry oils. I dont think you'll get any effect from that, but there's probably no harm in trying.

I've tried various hemp oil's such as Cibdex, medi wedt oil, RSHO oil but none of them had any effect at all, yet after vaping proper cannabis I experienced glimses of normal functioning.

Legality is obviously an issue in most places unfortunately, but with the climate in Turkey outdoor grows are probably quite viable. It might be worth looking into.

Well I didnt know that it was dietry oil and has versions.. : ( Yes the climate is good but in a city with 20 million people (±stanbul) it is not possible to find any kind of natural grows/plant outside :(

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Posted : 04/23/2014 3:23 pm

I am in the same situation as many in this thread. 8 years after accutane, I am still suffering from a lot of side effects. Nothing I want more to de-accutane my body and get rid of these.

I have only read through the first 5 pages, but have anyone had any success with getting rid of these side effects? de-accutane your body?

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Posted : 04/23/2014 4:00 pm

I am in the same situation as many in this thread. 8 years after accutane, I am still suffering from a lot of side effects. Nothing I want more to de-accutane my body and get rid of these.

I have only read through the first 5 pages, but have anyone had any success with getting rid of these side effects? de-accutane your body?

Hi Daniel, it's worth reading from page 200 onwards on this thread, but in summary the only things people found to be really worthwhile are cannabis (specifically cannabis oil) and maybe to a lesser extent strict diets (paleo) and/or extended fasting (water/juice). You'll get more information reading page 200 onwards.

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Posted : 04/23/2014 4:25 pm

Thanks.

I will go back to page 200 and read forward.

Can you buy cannabis oil from amazon?

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Posted : 04/23/2014 4:45 pm

Can you buy cannabis oil from amazon?

Er, nope. Unfortunately it's illegal almost everywhere, bar some US states, parts of South America and a few other regions. More and more places are considering legalising use for medicinal purposes as the evidence of the medicinal benefits of this continues to mount however.

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Posted : 04/24/2014 2:02 am

I am in the same situation as many in this thread. 8 years after accutane, I am still suffering from a lot of side effects. Nothing I want more to de-accutane my body and get rid of these.

I have only read through the first 5 pages, but have anyone had any success with getting rid of these side effects? de-accutane your body?

Daniel80, can you please tell us your side effects? 8 years is long time, you should have progressed some improvements by time? Have you?

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Posted : 04/24/2014 4:58 am

@Crank92

One question in regards of sprinting..

I usually do 15 to 20 set of 6-8 second burst sprint.. Should i rest between each sprint for a some seconds? or just walking back is enough?

I usually sprint walk back and then i start my next sprint i think is ok ish't it matE?

I dont think that only squats and deadlift help but also overhead press, bench press, rows, weightened muscle ups/weightened Chin/pull ups .

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Posted : 04/24/2014 6:45 am

** RECOVERY STORY **

I've got permission to post this story that I had in my inbox the other day. The individual wishes to remain anonymous and thus any speculations to who it is I will neither confirm or deny. However, take it for what it is - good f**king news;

Thanks alot man I appreciate it! I owe my life to this plant which is why I now dedicate my life to spreading the knowledge of this amazing medicine. I never expected any of this. To take it back to the start I was *** years old I Was literally the epitome of an athlete and health (sexually included)quite like yourself as I saw you mentioned. The death pill accutane turned me into what I could only expect it would be like at 80+ years old, after 6 months of 40mg per day...if I remember correctly 1 poison pill a day. Still remember near the end of the death treatment I found one of those pills crushed with a sickly orange goo coming out. Later to find out this poison is chemotherapy originally designed for brain cancer, which I now know is a whole other fraud just like most of the 'medical system', but that's another topic. Back to the point. I remember in the summer of 2010 when I was a month or two into the poison I suddenly released my erections were becoming extremely weak and my feelings were slowly dying. I didn't understand what was going on I was only focused on getting rid of the acne. Time went on and I got worse and worse thinking it was only temporary. Never could i have imagined what these criminals had put me on for acne. By the end of the poison I pretty much felt dead. Extreme fatigue, extreme brain fog I could not think normally, could barely make sense out of regular things, at this point I was completely impotent with no more feeling sexually or in my body. Complete loss of sexual function. No erections, no libido, no sexual thoughts or attraction to females at all. Emotionally dead. My joints in my legs ached bad and made cracking sounds when I would move them. My eyes were red and dry and I had horrible night vision I couldn't see outside at night even though I always had been able to in the past. My lips had a big split top and bottom from being so dry and cracked. They would split and bleed daily. I still have the scar lines from it. Basically the poison made me feel like I was no longer human. I don't know if I am forgetting anything but I think that about covers it. It was around 2 years until i really began cannabis treatment. I was feeling worse and worse no improvement at all to the point i was basically bed ridden with no hope. I eventually started off vaping and over the course of a few weeks my brain fog finally was clearing and I was getting some erections and feeling which was very exciting, but it wasnt always too consistent. The reason being i believe is the amount is very little being consumed compared to an oil tolerance. Also i feel that vaping/smoking is very mental so I believe most of the cannabinoids go to the lungs/brain rather than the whole body compared to ingesting oil. But it certainly began to clear up my mind. I began using RSO months later I believe a bit more than 1 1/2 years ago. Within the first few days i knew this was it. I took it very slowly and only increased my dose as I was comfortable but within a few weeks I was beginning to really feel the true healing power. I was feeling alive with energy each morning and I finally began getting more erections. My mind was clearing up even more and feeling and emotion was returning. This is dated around a month or so. I no longer had joint pain and my night vision had returned.I continually increased dosage and I continued to feel even better and better. Every symptom just continued to feel better by the day. Erections and feeling continued to improve as did my energy and mind. Another thing that I think helped a lot is a few times a week i would mix some rso with coconut oil and put it in a condom and wear it. By this time it was around 3 months into treatment. I estimate I consumed around 50 grams of oil or about 12 ounces of bud. At that point I felt completely cured and back to normal. I continued to ingest the oil and continued to feel great. I have used the oil on and off since then as maintenance doses and I still feel great to this day. This oil is truly amazing. Throughout the course I didn't write down dates or measurements so it is mostly estimated. I continually listened to my body And feeling as I went along. That is the most important thing to remember on the oil. Take it slowly and build a tolerance. Once your tolerance is high after a few weeks or months the healing really begins. Start very small and give yourself time to build tolerance. 1/2 rice grain every 8 hours rick Simpson recommends, doubling dosage every 4 days. I started a bit slower but eventually built it up. We all have different tolerances and healing rates so always go at your own comfortable pace. It is important to use indica or indica dominant strains because they provide the best healing and rest. Many people have schedules so if you can only use at night before bed that's still okay. Sativas are not good because they are very mentally energizing and not suitable for healing the way indicas are. Some indica dominant strains have a bit of sativa enough to make a nice balance, but you are looking for potent sedative strains that make you want to sleep. These are the real healers. A few strains I used were afghan kush(indica), northern lights(indica), grand daddy purp(indica), white widow(indica dom), skunk #1 (hybrid). The indicas are definitely best but the hybrids were good to add in the mix for some euphoric good feeling. The best oils are a mix of strains which is what I did. Don't worry about cbd, simply shoot for potent sedative indicas and you will be good. I did not grow the bud I used for these oils, but I have knowledge on growing if you are looking for help. Growing certainly solves many issues in finding this medicine but sadly it is a risk as we know right now. I hope this was detailed enough to be useful and will certainly answer any further questions you may have. I apologize if there isnt a lot of detail but over my course of helping I didn't keep track of much besides how I felt and continued to improve over time. I would love to add more detail but I have been typing for about 2 hours now on my phone because I don't have a computer at the moment. I can't think of much else off the top of my head but Im more than happy to continue to chat and answer questions or help in any way I can. P.s. I tried finding a lawyer for class action lawsuit about 2 years ago by no one would take on the case unless symptoms included IBS or a few others... thats the corrupt system for us. I don't have money for a lawyer so I don't know how realistic suing actually is for me but I am still trying to collect info in the meantime. Very happy to talk to you as well man it's been an unfortunate part of our life but there is certainly a bright future ahead!"

That is very positive news if you ask me! But again due to this individual wishing to remain anonymous I would rather individuals not publicly speculate as to who this individual is on public threads.

@Crank92

One question in regards of sprinting..

I usually do 15 to 20 set of 6-8 second burst sprint.. Should i rest between each sprint for a some seconds? or just walking back is enough?

I usually sprint walk back and then i start my next sprint i think is ok ish't it matE?

I dont think that only squats and deadlift help but also overhead press, bench press, rows, weightened muscle ups/weightened Chin/pull ups .

Yup that sounds fine, as long as you feel you can put maximal effort into each one you'll be getting a solid hormonal cascade going!
All good exercises, but no other exercise apart from squats and deadlifts have been shown to alter testosterone on their own as part of a low rep program. This includes bench press and pull ups. However, I would imagine that a full body session as opposed to body part split protocols would lead to a higher anabolic response in total.

I think in regards to getting the most out of your program hormonally is to either make sessions into an 'all-in-one' style or have each kind of session on a weekly basis e.g. 1 strength session (low reps, long rest), 1 hypertrophy session (moderate reps, moderate rest), 1 lactic acid session (most crossfit workouts - type 'Fran Crossfit' for a savage workout that takes less than 10 minutes for example).

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Posted : 04/24/2014 9:05 am

Thank you kindly Crank92! That really cleared things up!

Sorry for any spelling mistake and for asking too many things! but iam not aware of these things as iam quite a beginner in this field!

have a good one pal

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Posted : 04/24/2014 10:43 am

Hallo people, I am one of the "lucky" guys unfortunatelly. After 2months with 40mg/day accutane (zoretanin), I experienced a sudden ED. After 10 days, everything went back to normal, then second crash again impotence. After 10 or so days later again things got better.Now; I sometimes have morning erections, weak hardness, mostly zero libido, back pain and ringing in the ears.I realised I feel normal when I eat. I mean I eat everything (health foods+fast food, chocalate, coffee.. No diet). Something I get from this bulk food, it helps, dont know what it is yet. And normal life, support of my gf and funny office (luckly me) helps my recovery I think. I did the blood test, do you notice any anormalities? DHT test will take some time, I will post it also here.Age 34 MaleLH 3,97 mIU/ml Ref: 1,2 - 7,8FSH 1,79 mIU/ml Ref: 1.37 - 13.58Prolaktin SI 11.78 ng/ml Ref: 1.89 - 21.24Estradiol E2 SI 28 pg/ml Ref: 11 - 44Progesteron SI 0.77 ng/ml Ref: 0.2 - 1.40Testosteron Total SI 23.42 nmol/L Ref: 4.86 - 32.27Testosteron Free SI 59.34 pmol/L Ref: 30.19 - 104.10SHBG 22.80 nmol/L Ref: 14.5 - 48.40 DHT - not ready yet. After the blood test I started cannabis oil, it is my 3th day. I havent noticed anything special yet.

DHT 341pg/ml Ref: 250 - 1000

This seems a little bit low but within the ref values.

Why the hell do I have back pain, ringing in the air, ED??

I gotta find a real cannabis seed oil..

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