I don't believe in god. But i believe that we are a soul incarnated in a temporary body (3d) form. While we are in this form only a fraction of us is exprimed, what we feel being god etc.. is simply our higher self, our whole self. When we pray we use our higher self and the law of attraction (& the biological law of how thoughts affect our body). There is no god, or we are all a fragment of it.

The last what, 10 posts are exhibit A for why Accutane folks might not be taken as seriously as is desperately needed. We need a robust and organized forum like PropeciaHelp. There, anonyy would be banned and we wouldn't have to listen to him blabber incoherently about how we're afflicted by something that doesn't have to do with Accutane. On a well-run forum, folks would rightly be challenged for stating opinions as facts. I'm not saying everyone here commits this, but it happens all the time.

I'm sorry but much of this is a ton of over correction that makes us look like a bunch of hypochondriacs. Perhaps we're right for believing we're overly sensitive to certain things now, absolutely I believe that. But some people seem to forget the original problem - Accutane - entirely. For those of you who lament everyday things as "poison," did you avoid alcohol and cough medicine etc. before you took Accutane?

Also, Robert, this is an acne forum. A street corner would be better suited for the sermons.

It is incoherent for incoherent people, who doesn't understand anything or which are stuck in their false beliefs (and the fact that english is not my main language is not helping too, sry for that). Saying that i've said that we are not affected by accutane just prove it. I've never stated an opinion as facts, i just stated facts, directly, not opinion, if you don't understand (or even really read) what i'm saying at least don't answer to say bullshit (sorry for the word). Or at least answer with some real evidence (or true testimony with full informations), not just insults and false beliefs who are known wrong (genetic, telomere, etc..), you are not making things move ahead that way. I understand that you can't accept what i'm saying, that all is in our hand, that you are a part of the cause if not almost completely the cause of your problems, and the solution too, but it's simply the truth, there will be no magic pill to save you, and there is no permanent dna thing too, you will need to realize it if you want to get out of this suffering. I'm not the only one who succeed to get out of accutane and others said incurable "disease" by this modern crap medicine (who poisoned you by the way, but you still trust them, kinda funny), there is tons of testimony & infos about it.

I came here to give a positive message, who say everyone can get their health back, accutane has nothing irreversible, but still there is people who fight this and want that their problems are irreversible, and then those same people complain about thoses side effects, what's wrong with you? you have to choose what you really want.

There acutally use to be a organized forum called the ragfourm, however many of the 5,000 members don't go on the new one! Very devasting to us what happened to the old one

Well said Playsomebeat!

The most organized forum for tane suffers is definitely the accutane sub-forum over at All Things Male.. but as the name suggests this does sort of exclude a large section of people.

Are there any tane suffers who have skills getting a forum setup? It would be good to have threads on different things being discussed, unlike on here with just one massive sprawling thread. I'm sure many people (including myself) would chip in if there were any costs involved in getting this setup.

On the flip-side I guess this forum see's a lot of traffic as acne is usually why people take accutane in the first place. A new forum might be a bit of a ghost town until it gets established.

Hmm. Why ban other people going through the same things as us?

A lot of animosity here towards each other makes us look like fools too. I know I got a little carried away with arguments.

One great thing about a forum is that we could have little "spiritual healing" and "homeopathy" subforums or threads.

Why haven't many of you ladies joined us at the ATM Accutane forum anyways?

There's even a "women's health" subforum on ATM, so you are obviously more than welcome there.

Have to agree with everyone saying it would be ideal to have an Accutane side-effects forum so we would further organize that into sub-forums.

While I may not have time or know-how to build a proper forum myself, I would be more than happy to devote an hour a day to helping with building and moderating a forum. Same with financial support. I could spare a little.

Hey, think of how many of us are on the main few forums and how many are floating around on the internet in general.

It's doubtful it would be an empty forum for long.

Cheers!

I just spent a week having Ascent CVAC treatment in Newport Beach CA.

This treatment is the real deal.

My sexual side effects have gotten better.

My skin is glowing.

My depression was gone and so has my insomnia.

And my internal organs have been kick started again.

For those that are in the States.. Go and see this place.

I flew from Australia and it was worth every penny.

I also discovered Irwin Naturals

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This product works especially for those that aren't getting their nocturnal erections.

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Cheers

On 12/7/2013 at 4:34 AM, aussieface said:

I just spent a week having Ascent CVAC treatment in Newport Beach CA.

This treatment is the real deal.

My sexual side effects have gotten better.

My skin is glowing.

My depression was gone and so has my insomnia.

And my internal organs have been kick started again.

For those that are in the States.. Go and see this place.

I flew from Australia and it was worth every penny.

I also discovered Irwin Naturals

[Edited link out]

This product works especially for those that aren't getting their nocturnal erections.

[Edited link out]

Cheers

Please to hear you've seen some improvements from this aussieface, what made you go to this place? Was the sole reason to help with accutane sides?

When you say the sexual sides are improved, by how much? Are you talking a notable improvement, or significant improvement?

No, I don't support removing people who are suffering from these conversations, but here are some things anonyy has contributed recently:

"you are a part of the cause if not almost completely the cause of your problems"

"You don't take accutane back, you take accutane "imprint" back, to make your body react and force an expelling if he's still there or a repair, i still don't know."

What are you waiting for ? an other poisonous drug to fix you?

^perhaps one of the greatest annoyances on this entire forum are people who extrapolate that all pharmaceutical or even over the counter drugs are as dangerous as Accutane simply because they are syntheticdrugs. This does nothing but add fodder to any pro-Accutane person who contends were all overly sensitive hypochondriacs. Im glad folks in this paranoid camp werent around in the 50s to tell Jonas Salk to cool it with his polio vaccine.

Besides, anonyy indicates he is about past his side effects:

"I'm not the only one who succeed to get out of accutane and others said incurable "disease" by this modern crap medicine (who poisoned you by the way, but you still trust them, kinda funny)"

I dont relish calling one individual out thats not the point. The point is that these statements are distractions.

Also, Dubya, Id be glad to share in the operating costs of a forum. If done correctly, I think it would grow over time. Corresponding Facebook and Twitter accounts would be a good idea as well.

Why this acharnment about homeopathy when you don't even understand how it work and didn't even tried it properly. Can't understand those people who critic without been able to.

Any synthetic drug are highly poisonous to the body, and never treat the real cause but the symptoms, it's a fact, educate yourself. YOU are searching for distraction, other drugs to not take your responsability and act properly for your own health.

I already made a forum 1year ago, for french people. But it will be better to create a forum more global for all type of drugs. What type of forum you want to create? a forum to gather lamenting people or something to really help people? (serious question, no joke here)

Why this acharnment about homeopathy when you don't even understand how it work and didn't even tried it properly. Can't understand those people who critic without been able to.

 

Any synthetic drug are highly poisonous to the body, and never treat the real cause but the symptoms, it's a fact, educate yourself. You are searching for distraction, other drug to not take your responsability and act properly for your own health.

 

I already made a forum 1year ago, for french people.

All the diabetics and schizophrenics benefiting from pharmaceutical drugs salute you, buddy. Folks in hospice care who are on pain medication in the last phase of life - they salute you too.

I've made my point, and he's only going to continue to make it for me.

Let's move on.

Yes, when you poisoned and continue to poison your body to the point that he can't even do what he's supposed to, you need those chemicals to function or to stop the pain. And what the point to continue those drug, if you doesn't stop poisoning it and giving it true nutrition & help to restore his natural fonctionnement? You think you will heal by magic without doing/changing anything one day? It's sickcare, not healthcare what you're doing, you'll have to realize it and take your responsability. That's what i'm saying, you don't even understand what i'm saying since the begining but you continue to answer to protect your false beliefs.

I haven't been replying to this forum for a while and I come back to see people bickering and fighting. There's a glimmer of truth in every opinion stated thus far.

Anonyy, it is true that pharmaceuticals are unnatural to the body, in the sense that they do not restore the proper functioning of the body. If a drug were to completely "undo" the problems that they are intended to treat, that drug would have no side effects. Unfortunately, it is usually not possible to completely undo the chemical and physical processes that cause a disease or condition. Therefore, we have to resort to the next best thing, and that is to use synthetic compounds (drugs) to try try to get the body to react in a way that treats the condition. Many people benefit from pharmaceuticals in this way, as playsomebeat stated. Until we have magic, or a complete understanding of the body and the mind, we will not have a complete cure of every disease through one method.

I do agree that putting the body in the most favorable condition to recover, namely through nutrition and exercise, we give the body the best possible chance to recover. However, sometimes that is not enough.

We need to get back on track here, and I think that the suggestion of a forum to aggregate the knowledge and opinions of sufferers is a good idea. I haven't been participating in this forum for the past few weeks because my condition has taken a turn for the worst. Still, I'm not 100% convinced that all of my problems are due to Accutane, as I have many more symptoms than most people on this forum, and they are interfering with my daily life. I'm exploring alternate hypotheses about my condition, and I suggest other do too.

The thing is we know how the body work, we just need to stop arming him first then to help him with herbs, real nutrients & other natural "cure". So far i never saw a drug who made the body to react in a way that treats the condition, i only saw drug who target the symptoms while waiting the body to naturally restore himself, but sadly most of the time (not always) the symptom is the healing process and we block it.

The thing is we know how the body work, we just need to stop arming him & helping him with herbs, real nutrients & other natural "cure". So far i never saw a drug who made the body to react in a way that treats the condition, i only saw drug who target the symptoms while waiting the body to naturally restore himself, but sadly most of the time (not always) the symptom is the healing process and we block it.

Anonyy, its not true that every condition can be treated with herbs, nutrients and natural cures. I doubt even a person that is trained in naturopathy would claim that. While I'm against the idea that pharmaceuticals are "magic pills," as some people seem to blindly believe, I wouldn't go so far as to naively state that drugs never treated any condition, and only served to "poison" the body even more. It is true that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, such that for every chemical manipulation that a pharmaceutical performs in the body there is an unintended consequence. These are called side effects. You know, the same kind of side effects that we are taking about when we mention accutane?

Lets look at the logical implications of what you just stated. First, we know how the body works. We could let the body naturally recover by putting it in a condition to recover. Yet, for some reason we decide to poison the body more and only treat the symptoms? That doesn't make sense, and it enters the realm of conspiracy theories.

It is not conspiracy, it is simply how it work. Eveything can be cured by natural cure, only if you didn't poisoned your body by unnatural and abnormal things that he can't recover himself in it's current temporary state. It didnt serve to poison the body, i didn't said that, i said it is used to treat the symptom but sadly poison the body too, sometimes it is required (when you didn't listened to your body signals and maked things badly too deep) but most of the time it is not required.

It's not really naturopathy, it's hygienism + natural herbs & cure who assist the body. You can read Arnold Ehret books about hygienism. Found that too in english but i didn't read it entirely. [Edited link out]

I agree with you anonyy, in spirit, that pharmaceutical drugs are unnatural to the body and are likely to cause dysfunction, which may or may not persist after "discontinuation of therapy." Nobody is doubting that "natural" cures are preferrable to synthetic ones. However, some people, such as myself, doubt that the natural way will be enough to completely cure all the damage that this drug has done. I know I won't ever take another drug that I don't feel that I have to take.

In any case, lets stop with this diatribe against drugs and get on to more useful subjects. Who here, besides Dubya, playsomebeat, and myself has taken a 23andme test?

Yo what it do. I logged on here again. Some of you know me. Just wanted to post on how I healed my body. Fresh fruits and veggies. Sunlight. Really that simple. Accept nature and nature foods and it can heal you. Keep eating these fake foods out here and meats and you are gonna have a helluva time. Not replying to anything just making this post for anyone who will resonate with it. Much love nd peace

If natural way, meaning your body natural ability to heal himself with optimal condition (non-arming diet, help with herbs, fasting, etc..) doesnt work (it is impossible) it will be impossible to heal him with anything else. You have to realize that drug are non-physiological/foreigners to the body and can only treat symptoms, only your body can heal himself, no drug can do it for him.

I will keep an open mind. Anonyy, give me your guaranteed cure program, step by step, so that I and others here can follow it.

Already told it 10 times and the last time was yesterday... there is no strict protocol (except for diet). For the liver flush, herbs, etc.. everyone do as they want according to their needs, everyone has specific weakness in different part of the body. And my "protocol" is what worked for me, i didn't try all natural solution, there is certainly something better. Read some infos about hygienism (like Arnold Ehret) & other natural healthcare & "cure", the best doctor for yourself, is yourself, no one else.

[Edited link out](i didn't read it personnaly, don't know what type of diet he recommand but he's giving good overall infos, didn't find anything else in english) very interesting page 37-52+[Edited link out]

No, I don't support removing people who are suffering from these conversations, but here are some things anonyy has contributed recently:

"you are a part of the cause if not almost completely the cause of your problems"

"You don't take accutane back, you take accutane "imprint" back, to make your body react and force an expelling if he's still there or a repair, i still don't know."

œWhat are you waiting for ? an other poisonous drug to fix you?

^perhaps one of the greatest annoyances on this entire forum are people who extrapolate that all pharmaceutical or even over the counter drugs are as dangerous as Accutane simply because they are synthetic¦drugs. This does nothing but add fodder to any pro-Accutane person who contends we™re all overly sensitive hypochondriacs. I™m glad folks in this paranoid camp weren™t around in the 50s to tell Jonas Salk to cool it with his polio vaccine.

Besides, anonyy indicates he is about past his side effects:

"I'm not the only one who succeed to get out of accutane and others said incurable "disease" by this modern crap medicine (who poisoned you by the way, but you still trust them, kinda funny)"

I don™t relish calling one individual out “ that™s not the point. The point is that these statements are distractions.

Also, Dubya, I™d be glad to share in the operating costs of a forum. If done correctly, I think it would grow over time. Corresponding Facebook and Twitter accounts would be a good idea as well.

Yeah, I almost forgot about all that stuff he said.

...Good thing Saw Palmetto doesn't cause a PFS like condition in some people and that nobody ever goes through SSRI withdrawal when stopping St. John's Wort, or that I didn't almost go to the hospital with heart palpitations lasting for hours after taking Yohimbe.

One final word - Tobacco

You mean Facebook and Twitter "fronts" for the forum?

Having a forum based in one single physical location or even hosted by one company seems like a very very bad idea lest the same thing happen as when the old ragforum went down.

A forum with the spirit of propeciahelp, and the body of thepiratebay?

Yes, when you poisoned and continue to poison your body to the point that he can't even do what he's supposed to,

Did he just call you "masculine"? j/k

anonny, trust me, I would never touch another pharma product if I suddenly began feeling something like human again. Maybe if it came down to an actual life or death situation, but even then I would have many considerations to make.

Can I just ask you one thing? How much time had passed from the time you quit taking Accutane to the time you began feeling better?

Champion, good point! There were a couple guys who thought they might have PFS, and it turned out to be a prolactinoma. A few of us have found other hormonal problems or autoimmune issues that were somewhat successfully treated. Whether they were triggered by Accutane or not is a different story. I can't speak for everyone, but quite a few of us "lifers" have exhausted every other rational explanation of the symptoms we developed while on Accutane with the exception of Accutane.

Thanks again for that info you sent me! With some dumb luck, it may turn out to be something meaningful for us.

I said "he's" talking about the human body, human or female, i don't talk to any specific person, i answer globally to certain ideology.

I think i took accutane 7-8 years ago, and i only found some real solution and starting feeling better since early 2012.

I said "he's" talking about the human body, human or female, i don't talk to any specific person, i answer globally to certain ideology.

 

I think i took accutane 7-8 years ago, and i only found some real solution and starting feeling better since early 2012.

Yeah I was just kidding. I guess certain words have genders in French, like in Spanish?

Okay, fair enough. That's a pretty long time to have been going through this for you to spontaneously get better while you were following your diet.

I was under the assumption that you were only experiencing symptoms for a year or so. My mistake.

I don't know if others know this (I haven't seen anything posted) but im 99% sure that the member jmsil who used to post frequently in this thread killed himself last year not long after the documentary "Dying For Clear Skin" aired in the UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2367075/Healthy-footballer-James-Sillcock-26-taking-acne-drug-RoAccutane-killed-mental-health-problems.html

I've only just found this out and It's completely floored me.

Really sad news.

RIP James.