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Joseph's been taking Blue Ice with no problems , no doubt it his high very high in NATURAL Vitamin A , and D but it has something else vitamin
K2 from the royal butter so it's a bit different than your standard cod liver oil , It's also made in a old school way , in regards to vitamin A and D
toxicity those studies were all done on SYNTHETIC vitamins. The whole point of getting Fermented CLO is that the vitamins and minerals are
natural and work synergistically with each other like they do in other whole foods. I read natural forms of vitamin A need at least ten times the
amount or more in order to become toxic to the human body vs synthetic versions.
The claim that vitamin A in cod liver oil is toxic just doesnt make sense in the context of traditional diets, which were very rich in vitamin A from
liver, organ meats, seafood and the fats of grass-fed animals. The crux of Dr. Prices research is that the diets of healthy primitive peoples
contain about ten times more vitamin A than modern diets.
What point are you trying to make Gladiatoro? Is opium is much safer than oxycontin because it is natural?
From the wiki page on vitamin A:
>>In foods of animal origin, the major form of vitamin A is an ester, primarily retinyl palmitate, which is converted to retinol (chemically an alcohol) in the small intestine. The retinol form functions as a storage form of the vitamin, and can be converted to and from its visually active aldehyde form, retinal. The associated acid (retinoic acid), a metabolite that can be irreversibly synthesized from vitamin A, has only partial vitamin A activity, and does not function in the retina for the visual cycle. Retinoic acid is used for growth and cellular differentiation.[6]
- Retinol, the form of vitamin A absorbed when eating animal food sources, is a yellow, fat-soluble substance. Since the pure alcohol form is unstable, the vitamin is found in tissues in a form of retinyl ester. It is also commercially produced and administered as esters such as retinyl acetate or palmitate.[8]
The carotenes alpha-carotene, beta-carotene, gamma-carotene; and the xanthophyll beta-cryptoxanthin (all of which contain beta-ionone rings), but no other carotenoids, function as provitamin A in herbivores and omnivore animals, which possess the enzyme (15-15'-dioxygenase) which cleaves beta-carotene in the intestinal mucosa and converts it to retinol.[9] In general, carnivores are poor converters of ionine-containing carotenoids, and pure carnivores such as cats and ferrets lack 15-15'-dioxygenase and cannot convert any carotenoids to retinal (resulting in none of the carotenoids being forms of vitamin A for these species).
Most supplemented vitamin A found in multivitamins is in the form of beta-carotene (NATURAL), whose molecule needs to be cleaved by enzymes before becoming active metabolites, meaning the body can limit this process by lowering the enzyme, thus preventing toxicity (but you will turn yellow if too much is ingested).
NOTICE THE OTHER SUPPLEMENTED FORMS ARE RETINYL ACETATE AND PALMITATE, BOTH ABSORBED WHEN EATING ANIMAL FOOD SOURCES.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, THE NATURAL AND MANUFACTURED FORMS ARE BOTH THE SAME MOLECULE.
Maybe Polar Bear liver would be a better source of natural vitamin A than cod liver oil: http://science.howstuffworks.com/zoology/mammals/eat-polar-bear-liver1.htm
...and is this your exalted your Dr. Price?: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html
btw- Could you please explain to "playsomebeat", who posted her experience with cognitive and sexual side effects after taking NATURAL saw palmetto that you recommend, how she is mistaken and it must have been some synthetic food additive.
Joseph , years ago a nutritionist told me that taking 30,000 IUs of vitamin A per day has a similar effect on acne as Accutane, but is safer. She said
to do it only for three months. Too much vitamin A affects bone growth, so you must be careful.
But here is a woman named Mel who has been taking it I got this from a CLO blog , here is what she said.
Not that you need another testament for CLO, but just or the record, I have had acne (BAD.. oily, red skin and tiny little bumps that more resemble a rash than acne all over my face.chest/neck) since I was 11. I am now 22 and have tried everything under the sun (including allergy testing, homeopathic stuff, antibiotics, the pill, you name it, and yes, Accutane). Accutane worked. And then I stopped taking it. And it stopped working. Acne was back.
Then. CLO! Green Pastures. I take it plain, a tablespoon every day. Swallow it and follow it with something strong to drown the taste. And I glow, like you said. Acne gone. Skin smooth. Its a MIRACLE. I have never been so happy, so confident, or so surprised by what got me here.
CLO for anyone, mild to severe acne. Give it a try!
So it seems it's not THAT dangerous to take.
Most of the people on acne.org who share their experience with Accutane do not develop severe side effects.
Does that mean Accutane is not THAT dangerous to take then?
I just don't get your angle, or reason for posting here.
What were your side effects from accutane?
TTYL
Native americans have been taking Saw Palmetto for century's , I took it and like I said before had no negative side effects from it , in fact I
would go as far as saying it was beneficial , as a side effect I had hair growth and NO sexual side effects to speak of , but to each his own , just
because I took SP as many have on acne.org and found it beneficial does not mean others have the same experience as me we are all unique
in our chemistry and how we respond to supplements.
My long term side effects from this drug are pseudo tumor which comes and goes to varying degrees so yeah I got %^&* over by this drug plus
50 % hair loss and chronic dehydration .The reason I post here like others is the name of the thread " repairing the long term side effects of
accutane " duh... What are your reasons for posting here? What are your long term side effects of this drug? Or did you ever even take it? And
the whole Cod Liver Oil thing I'm not taking it but Joseph has found it beneficial so I'm intrigued . It's obviously high in vit A so I would
recommend caution with it , perhaps cycle it and use a low dose.
Camaroz obviously has problems with saw palmetto because he took the male pattern baldness drug finasteride or propecia as it's commonly known. So his body is seriously affected by dht inhibitors or which saw palmetto is a major player. I can totally understand that, as we all know how much a synthetic drug like accutane can mess up our bodies. A normal person can eat cod liver oil and foods high in vitamin A without any problems whatsoever, accutane victims simply can't. Vitamin A f***s them up because accutane has totally messed up their ability to metabolise vitamin A. There are hardly any exceptions to this and joseph is playing a very dangerous game recommending cod liver oil to these people.
Camaroz obviously has problems with saw palmetto because he took the male pattern baldness drug finasteride or propecia as it's commonly known. So his body is seriously affected by dht inhibitors or which saw palmetto is a major player. I can totally understand that, as we all know how much a synthetic drug like accutane can mess up our bodies. A normal person can eat cod liver oil and foods high in vitamin A without any problems whatsoever, accutane victims simply can't. Vitamin A f***s them up because accutane has totally messed up their ability to metabolise vitamin A. There are hardly any exceptions to this and joseph is playing a very dangerous game recommending cod liver oil to these people.
Yeah well if Z24 took finasteride or propecia no doubt that f&*(## him up good , I guess he didn't learn his lesson with the first drug he took that
would explain how he is seriously affected by ANY dht inhibitors but it does not mean the rest of us are prone to this problem , Chico you are right
Blue Ice cod liver oil is likely dangerous for all of us accutane sufferers and Joseph has to use EXTREME caution with this stuff it is obviously
loaded with Vitamin A though as I stated some pre accutane user have used cod liver oil with no problems but I would surely NOT recommend it
for long term use , maybe off and on and monitor ones body reactions .
Hey guys,
Just another Accutane victim here. Please be careful with saw palmetto. I thought it was safe after tane, but it is not. I actually used it because of hair loss after tane, and I now have many problems.
I remember some of the people being nonchalant about it here, so be careful. I think sdro had some problems with it too. She also used for hair loss. I now have problems with coitus, and my perfect figure has changed. I now have a lot of fat around my waste that I didn't have before. My breasts have lost their shape. I also sweat all the time. I have had botox injections to control the sweating, but it barely helps. I have other problems too, but they are too embarassing to mention.
Native americans have been taking Saw Palmetto for century's , I took it and like I said before had no negative side effects from it , in fact I would go as far as saying it was beneficial , as a side effect I had hair growth and NO sexual side effects to speak of , but to each his own , just
because I took SP as many have on acne.org and found it beneficial does not mean others have the same experience as me we are all unique
in our chemistry and how we respond to supplements.
My long term side effects from this drug are pseudo tumor which comes and goes to varying degrees so yeah I got %^&* over by this drug plus
50 % hair loss and chronic dehydration .The reason I post here like others is the name of the thread " repairing the long term side effects of
accutane " duh... What are your reasons for posting here? What are your long term side effects of this drug? Or did you ever even take it? And
the whole Cod Liver Oil thing I'm not taking it but Joseph has found it beneficial so I'm intrigued . It's obviously high in vit A so I would
recommend caution with it , perhaps cycle it and use a low dose.
Exactly! Everyone is unique and responds differently to different drugs/supplements. That is why it is difficult to understand how some people dismiss others' rational experiences while expecting their own experience to be treated with legitimacy.
The same can be said true of vitamin A. A toxic dose is a toxic dose, and 10,000 IU is generally considered to be the upper limit of what a normal healthy person should consume on a daily basis, regardless of the form ingested, the brand of cod liver oil they're using, or their past history with accutane. I don't know how much cod liver oil Joseph is taking every day or the vitamin A content of his brand of choice, but if it's working out for him then good.
It's also good to finally hear you recommend being cautious when messing around with substances containing high amounts of vitamin A.
Admittedly, the percentage of people who claim severe side effects from using saw palmetto seems to be very low, but the problem is that often, once the side effects do develop, they are permanent.
I would personally rather steer clear of anything that is known to lower a hormone that is essential to proper development and function of male characteristics. If you are having good luck with it, then more power to you.
My mistake, I was under the impression your long term damage from accutane was simply hair loss. You have to admit that losing hair because of accutane might suck, but is a pretty frivolous complaint compared to side effects that cause your daily life to be physically painful, or that prevent you from living a normal life.
Yes, I took accutane long ago and started losing my sex drive and developed depression a couple weeks into my first course. I wasn't warned that accutane could have anything to do with this and right after my second course ended, those side effects became severe and a whole slew of other ones developed. The fatigue and painful joints and muscles are really the only ones that I have recovered from to some degree. I was diagnosed with hypogonadism at one point, high blood pressure when I was only 18 years old, and was found to have borderline-low fertility more recently. That's not counting the erectile dysfunction, blunted emotions, feeling like I'm overheating without being able to sweat, and almost constant feeling of doom and anxiety that fills my brain instead of the normal happy/sad emotions that I vaguely remember feeling before accutane.
This isn't meant to be a pissing contest about who has it worse, so don't take it the wrong way, but it is easy for me to see how some people commit suicide after being affected by Accutane and have often considered it as a way out myself.
I am lucky to at least make it through without developing any of the digestive issues or systemic dryness many of us have to deal with, but understand that it is difficult to identify with those who have and probably vice-versa for those who don't have sexual or depressive side effects.
That is why I caution people against certain treatments that have been said by many to cause the same symptoms I have to deal with every day. This includes things like saw palmetto and high doses of the Accutane analogue vitamin A.
So don't take what I say personally.
the MAIN problem I have encountered is bad GUMS. I have the best dental hygiene and teeth known to man, but my gums are receding and I all of a sudden have some pockets and really painful teeth and gums. My jaw bone has also been hurting so I am going to the dentist next week,...sounds like periodontitis from my researching. Came on out of NOWHERE, although i do eat a decent amount of sugar which may trigger it. Anyone have teeth issues that they have been able to manage/resolve post tane? Any help would be awesome.
B12 deficiency may be the culprit. It can go undetected since conventional serum B12 tests are inaccurate, if they're even performed at all. Accurate tests are methylmalonic acid, holotranscobalamin II and homocysteine.
Alternately get Enzymetic Therapy's sublingual (best rated by those who are hypersensitive) and let it dissolve under your upper lip for at least an hour.
Despite the reversal of chronic dryness via the iodine protocol, my nails/hair dry out if I don't take 30mg zinc ("L-OptiZinc" aka l-monomethionine) even though I consume copious amounts of red meat. Zinc is one thing that depletes quickly with gut issues/stress and has ties to skin/eye health, diarrhea, lack of appetite, impotence and hair loss.
Guys, Cod Liver Oil is not just beneficial for me. There is no way for me to stay at level 5 without it.I went off it for a little under a week because I couldn't digest the fat without my source naturals digestive enzymes. I dropped down to lvl 4, lvl 3 with a cold/allergies. When my reorder arrived, I resumed Cod Liver Oil. Overnight my cold was gone and my health was back to lvl 5.I also added testosterone cream, which unlocked lvl 6.Most recently, I've added plain rice. I eat it by itself, rather than with meat, to avoid overeating. This has had several major benefits:1. Eliminated the overeating problem. I wasn't getting enough carbs or enough fat for calories, so I would overeat yogurt, leading to IBS cramps. This was a very difficult problem to combat. Now I can eat less and still get enough calories.2. Feeling much better. Sleeping more soundly, more energized, more relaxed, more calm, more focused.3. In general, lots more willpower. This is a known effect of blood glucose.The rice experiment is at about 18 hours, so there could still be some change, but given the dramatic improvement already, I expect no negative impact.The reason I cut rice before was I'd overeat it with meat, mainly. But I could at times achieve remission while eating rice. So it is hypoallergenic for me.It seems that a cycle of rice, shrimp, yogurt works well to mitigate cravings. It supplies the necessary fat, carbs and protein. I eat each ingredient individually, and drink water inbetween.
Joseph, first of all good to see you again and glad you are at "Level 5." Second of all, I actually have been taking cod liver oil myself just for omegas and anti-inflammatory benefits, and can safely say I didn't notice much of a difference. Everyone is different, and if you found something natural to help you, more power to you. But like Chico said, everyone should be aware of what it is and consider whether it's right for them too.
As far as the saw palmetto... Even if it is effective in a lot of cases, Beta-sitosterol, a chemical present in saw palmetto extract, is chemically similar to cholesterol. So that alone should make people be careful, as well as, "The most common side effects are gastrointestinal, some of which may be reduced by taking the extract with food. Use may increase the risk of bleeding or affect sex hormones, and concurrent use of other drugs with similar action should be avoided." I'm not thinking this is something I'll be looking into after all.
As far as the B12, I have started taking methyl-B12 and I really enjoy the effects as well as some of the side effect relief of neuropathy. It helps with digestion, sleep, energy, and brain fog as well as, like I said, nerve pain/other neuropathy. Worth getting as it is safe and beneficial even if it doesn't cure hair loss.
That all being said, I would definitely still like to find something for the hair loss and symptoms of systemic dehydration that doesn't include a diet that is permanently lifestyle changing and/or a DMARD that can cause drug-induced lupus. But so far those are still the only things I know that work.
This article seems to have a different take on cod liver oil , I say if it's benefitial like in Joseph's case use it , perhaps start with a low dose and see what happens.
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I don't want to advertise Blue Ice and I actually have yet to try it myself, but I can tell you guys this: I know aside from Joseph three people who have told me that Blue Ice Fermented CLO is the best supplement for their health they have ever taken. So as I have said before I am going to try it this fall.
Avocado is known to reverse liver damage.
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Dubya, rather than quoting the posts (now hidden) you feel are advertising, can you please hit the "report" button that can be found at the bottom of each post. It is only by chance that I saw your post in this thread. Please hit report so I don't have to go 'searching' for the advertising.
Regards
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A note to contributors to this thread.
I've had a quick look through the last few pages and links to external websites are everywhere. Many of the links I'm sure are included to genuinely pass on useful information, however the rules of this board are strict as far as advertising goes. Therefore, if a link goes to a page that is selling products/e-books or has advertising banners that sell similar etc then it will be deleted.
We of course encourage you to share information in order to help each other through your health issues, however we ask that you think about the type of site you are linking to and whether it is a genuine site for research or a sales website disguised as a blog. For the products that you use and think are beneficial, please just mention the product name. Members can then search out the product themselves.
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I don't want to start a big conversation, but I think it is a little over the top that it is not allowed to have a conversation about brands. For instance different brands use different techniques in producing cod liver oil, to give just one example. The synthetic forms used in Vitamin B Complex supplements vary also a great deal and are for instance worth discussing, I could go on and on.
I agree. This thread is no longer useful to me, and I will be leaving. Linking is fundamental to providing value on the internet. Congrats to dubya for finally finding a way to destroy the thread.
If you would like to continue what this community once was, PM me. I'll set up our own forum.
All decisions occupy a location on a spectrum from brilliant to abysmally stupid. This moderation decision is somewhere on that spectrum.
Clearly this is a place for empty whingeing and specious pdfs, not concrete solutions.
mods have it tough...
strict rules or human touch?
It seems highly doubtful I would be commenting on this thread for 2+ years without pimping anything out to finally unveil my misgevious plan to make money off of pple's suffering... not a very good return on investment.
My vote is for human touch,
Can't make everybody happy.
I forgot to mention in my recent post mentioning my website that I basically gave up on shit a few months ago and decided to drink and smoke and try not to care about my health problems because I was sick of nobody believing my problems--- "You're young, you look healthy to me" etc...
So, I'm just saying this because it is a testimony for how confident I am in these supplements... I was smoking, drinking, staying out late and one day I started taking these supplements but didn't quit my rockstar lyfestyle and my body became miraculously healed... Hell, I still endulge multiple times a week... Just pop twice the amount of recommended pills and I'm gravy and having fun too. dang.
I take like 20 sp pillz a day.
Anyways, message me w more questions, I am happy to help my fellow troopers!
Avocado is known to reverse liver damage.
*Moderator edit, URL removed please read the board rules*
Why was this link even removed?
I don't want to start a big conversation, but I think it is a little over the top that it is not allowed to have a conversation about brands. For instance different brands use different techniques in producing cod liver oil, to give just one example. The synthetic forms used in Vitamin B Complex supplements vary also a great deal and are for instance worth discussing, I could go on and on.
The moderator didn't say we cannot mention a specific product like Blue Ice for example but we cannot give the link to the web site , at first I didn't
agree with it but when I thought about it and read the disclaimer on acne.org I realized that this is part of the rules of the site so , reluctantly I have
to agree with the rules it's as simple as that , obviously it is due to advertisement restrictions , guys we may have to start our own forum
somewhere else as providing links to helpfully information is very constructive and a positive thing for accutainted victims it's either that or acne.org
changes it's policy's . By the way thanks Dubya_B for $%?ing things up here we had a good thing going.
I was doing some research today after work as I often do and came across a article , it talked about one dermatologist describing Accutane as a
CONTROLLED POISONING and he said that he would never give it out to patients but rather recommend dietary changes , supplements and if
need be a course of antibiotics , quite a progressive derm I would say , seems like things are changing in the dermatology world and they are
finally waking up to the fact that DIET is a major factor on acne prone individuals , the golden goose that is accutane yes people are finally
realizing that it is not a MIRACLE DRUG as no such thing exists , interesting read though. I would describe Accutane as being in a constant
hungover like state with a dose of systemic dehydration thrown in and those would be the mild side effects.
I was doing some research today after work as I often do and came across a article , it talked about one dermatologist describing Accutane as a
CONTROLLED POISONING and he said that he would never give it out to patients but rather recommend dietary changes , supplements and if
need be a course of antibiotics , quite a progressive derm I would say , seems like things are changing in the dermatology world and they are
finally waking up to the fact that DIET is a major factor on acne prone individuals , the golden goose that is accutane yes people are finally
realizing that it is not a MIRACLE DRUG as no such thing exists , interesting read though. I would describe Accutane as being in a constant
hungover like state with a dose of systemic dehydration thrown in and those would be the mild side effects.
I was doing some research today after work as I often do and came across a article , it talked about one dermatologist describing Accutane as a
CONTROLLED POISONING and he said that he would never give it out to patients but rather recommend dietary changes , supplements and if
need be a course of antibiotics , quite a progressive derm I would say , seems like things are changing in the dermatology world and they are
finally waking up to the fact that DIET is a major factor on acne prone individuals , the golden goose that is accutane yes people are finally
realizing that it is not a MIRACLE DRUG as no such thing exists , interesting read though. I would describe Accutane as being in a constant
hungover like state with a dose of systemic dehydration thrown in and those would be the mild side effects.
It's exactly what it is if you think about it.... it's just giving people toxic amounts of synthetic vitamin A to stop their skin from producing sebum. Accutane's not the only medication thats controlled poisoning, chemotherapy is pumping the body full of toxic drugs in the hope that it'll kill some cancer cells. Calcipotriene is a synthetic toxic form of vitamin D that they give people with psoriasis. The sooner you realise the whole world is insane the better, Einstein said it best - only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and i'm not sure about the former.
I would go as far as saying that Vitamin A rich cod liver oil would be SAFER on overdosing vs a synthetic drug after all we are dealing with a
Chemothearpy agent , not nice stuff. Yes Chico chemotherapy is given in the hope that it kills the cancer cells BEFORE it KILLS the patient ,
such barbaric treatments the orthodox system has , people will look back in the not too distant future and wonder WTF were these people
thinking , sadly and most often $$$$ is a factor becaue frankly there is no money in nutrition. Orthodox medicine in realtiy is CORRUPT TO THE
CORE and generally does more damage than good with the exeption of treating trama patients and some surgery.
I don't want to start a big conversation, but I think it is a little over the top that it is not allowed to have a conversation about brands. For instance different brands use different techniques in producing cod liver oil, to give just one example. The synthetic forms used in Vitamin B Complex supplements vary also a great deal and are for instance worth discussing, I could go on and on.
Mentioning brand names is perfectly fine. Including a picture of the product is also fine, but I'm afraid including a link to a website that sells the product is against the board rules.
I was doing some research today after work as I often do and came across a article , it talked about one dermatologist describing Accutane as a
CONTROLLED POISONING and he said that he would never give it out to patients but rather recommend dietary changes , supplements and if
need be a course of antibiotics , quite a progressive derm I would say , seems like things are changing in the dermatology world and they are
finally waking up to the fact that DIET is a major factor on acne prone individuals , the golden goose that is accutane yes people are finally
realizing that it is not a MIRACLE DRUG as no such thing exists , interesting read though. I would describe Accutane as being in a constant
hungover like state with a dose of systemic dehydration thrown in and those would be the mild side effects.
My derm is dead against accutane, and only ever prescribes it if he's exhausted all other options, but even then reluctantly. He's of the strong opinion that even if his patient doesn't suffer short term problems from the drug, they will most definitely have problems later in life because of the treatment. He says that its only now that longer term study results are coming through in meaningful numbers from people who were prescribed the drug 20 years ago, and he doesn't feel confident that those studies will show that people have led healthy lives post accutane.