Should Roz's skirt become caught in an axle, depriving us of his chemically castrated chastisements - fear not, I have specced out a chatbot that will serve.

It looks up any drug mentioned on the thread, finds a contraindication, and hurls unreasoning vituperation. If the word anti-androgen appears, output doubles.

Unfortunately it cannot evaluate whether the scope, magnitude or probability of the contraindication is applicable, but that only heightens the realism.

Re monetization, I plan to release it into the wild and then charge for removal.

Yes Joseph acording to Z24 every herb we try or product we recommend there is a anti-androgen somewhere in the ingredients it has to be , and output doubles lol...

me likes. Sadly that is all Z24 is capable of , not much else. Z24 does the work of three men...Larry, Curly and Moe and quite effectively I might add.

So most likely, it is safe to take, unless unpleasant brain fog or reduced libido / motivation results, in which case switch strains, use less or discontinue.

This is what happens when Skeletor spends all his free time making tapioca pudding and experimenting with UDCA suppositories. No points for guessing who is He-Man now. He is also very scared as evidenced by his cut and paste shenanigans below, which are supposed to divert attention from the real issue. These guys were born to be carnival stand operators.

Yes Joseph acording to Z24 every herb we try or product we recommend there is a anti-androgen somewhere in the ingredients it has to be , and output doubles lol...

me likes. Sadly that is all Z24 is capable of , not much else. Z24 does the work of three men...Larry, Curly and Moe and quite effectively I might add.

This dud is mocked even by people who are not regulars here (see post by Dave). Imagine what school was like for this chump? He talks about the many fights he has to take part in to survive. He obviously provokes a lot of people, or worse still, people just want to beat the shit out of him for some reason. The truth is we know the reason. Yes, he is undeniably tough, but don™t you knock the toupee off his slaphead. When this tiddler feels exceptionally useless he usually updates everyone about the already known dangers of antibiotics. This happens every 2 days.

why do you think your liver is damaged, sasquire?

First focused on the liver as I wasn't doing "number 2s" often enough (every few days... thought it was normal!). Thought I'd fix this one step at a time. Liver flushes did fix it rather nicely, at least for a few months (I do one now and then to keep things going), and brought out all the calcification... such calcification is usually seen in alcoholics (and I don't drink) which left me wondering what the heck I had taken in my past.

I've also got all the usual cholestasis symptoms... this now includes the shocking itchy suffers sometimes get... scratching yourself in your sleep until you bleed is rather horrible. Thought is was parasites for awhile and went through all the cleanses for that.

I found the liver flushes give me temporary relief (a few weeks in fact) from the itching.

Also done all the adrenal tablets, brain tablets etc etc as many people here have done. It's funny that accutane not only causes these problems, but also stops the body being able to absorb the nutrients we need to heal them all. Fat soluble vitamins just go in one end and out the other.

The TUDCA arrived today so I've jumped on that. While I'm on it, I'm going to try different herbs/medicines etc to see if there is any benefit. Hope there is some cause this stuff is not cheap, delivery also being a killer (in Aussieland here)

 

Been reading this thread for quite awhile and noticed recently that it's getting a bit off topic.

I've found that nearly all vitamins/herbs/pills have little to no effect, and while I don't think tudca is the cure,

Welcome aboard Sasquire. Now, your profile picture deserves the top gong. I would like to say it trumps furry bears and seahorses, but who knows what people will infer? You have a minor point with the aforementioned. I think we would be way more off topic, if we didn't attempt to curb all the DHT inhibitor love. You are right about all the vitamins/herbs/pills doing very little.

Thanks

The pressure to provide an avatar can be quite a challenge for accutane suffers TOO MUCH PRESSURE! And then we mentally crash and can't work for 4 months.

oh and being raised by a feminist makes you automatically a feminist? haha I LOVE your faulty logic. my god. That's like saying because i was raised republican I automatically espouse republican ideology. NOPE. sorry. Please look up the definition of feminist too. It isn't most guys ill-conceived notion of a girl burning her bra and wanting to stab men. It equates to equality for men and women, and everyone in between. I feel like just need to leave this forum it's getting so frustrating thanks to all this testosterone. No one can stay focused anymore.

oh and being raised by a feminist makes you automatically a feminist? haha I LOVE your faulty logic. my god. That's like saying because i was raised republican I automatically espouse republican ideology. NOPE. sorry. Please look up the definition of feminist too. It isn't most guys ill-conceived notion of a girl burning her bra and wanting to stab men. It equates to equality for men and women, and everyone in between. I feel like just need to leave this forum it's getting so frustrating thanks to all this testosterone. No one can stay focused anymore.

Here we go again, missing the point. The stoner unaffected by the stoner recommendations; but, she has a big problem with some little joke. You have no idea if I am truly a feminist or not, based on one joke. The whole "shrubbery" line was a set-up that was meant to be applied to his fear of hair loss. The joke was that he should expose himself (his head) and step out from behind the shrubbery vis-a-vis his love of DHT inhibitors. He was meant to let go of his hair and his love of dangerous herbs that will affect him. If you note, I mentioned his love of bouffant hair (shrubbery) later.

You missed it all; that is not my problem.

On 6/21/2013 at 3:55 PM, camaroz28 said:

On 6/21/2013 at 11:03 AM, JosephBuchignani said:

So most likely, it is safe to take, unless unpleasant brain fog or reduced libido / motivation results, in which case switch strains, use less or discontinue.

This is what happens when Skeletor spends all his free time making tapioca pudding and experimenting with UDCA suppositories. No points for guessing who is He-Man now. He is also very scared as evidenced by his cut and paste shenanigans below, which are supposed to divert attention from the real issue. These guys were born to be carnival stand operators.

On 6/21/2013 at 12:40 PM, gladiatoro said:

>>Yes Joseph acording to Z24 every herb we try or product we recommend there is a anti-androgen somewhere in the ingredients it has to be , and output doubles lol...

me likes. Sadly that is all Z24 is capable of , not much else. Z24 does the work of three men...Larry, Curly and Moe and quite effectively I might add.

This dud is mocked even by people who are not regulars here (see post by Dave). Imagine what school was like for this chump? He talks about the many fights he has to take part in to survive. He obviously provokes a lot of people, or worse still, people just want to beat the shit out of him for some reason. The truth is we know the reason. Yes, he is undeniably tough, but dont you knock the toupee off his slaphead. When this tiddler feels exceptionally useless he usually updates everyone about the already known dangers of antibiotics. This happens every 2 days.

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Z24 , nice analogy of me once again you really have no idea of who I am , I have a wild past yes been in a lot of fights some because of wrong

accusations , others fighting over women etc, example the three guys I fought accused me of stealing something from them , later it was

discovered one of there own friends was the culprit , it's not that I piss people off , it's that other people piss me off like you Z24 and trust me you

really shouldn't piss me off plus when I was younger I used to frequent bars a bit , mix alcohol and nightclubs and things get out of hand

sometimes it's the nature of the beast but in realty I really am a gentle giant and only become aggressive if provoked or if I have to prove a point.

But really Z24 you have to move on from the DHT blocker thing we get your point and frankly it's getting quite boring and comes across as a

broken record , try and use your great er small mind to find other ways to mitigate our side effects , do you think you

can do that ? Because really that is what this forum is all about reversing the long term side effects of isotretinoin , get my point.

On 6/21/2013 at 7:09 PM, gladiatoro said:

Because really that is what this forum is all about reversing the long term side effects of isotretinoin , get my point.

If you people had a shred of decency you wouldn't be recommending on a daily basis that permanent damage from 5@reductase inhibitors should be reversed with a plethora 5@reductase inhibitors. Don't you try to take the moral high ground with me.

You know what bothers me? That you guys don't stick to the topic. Stop teasing and provoking each other with things that really don't contribute anything meaningful to the conversation and for the people who do feel bothered or offended just keep your mouth shut, so that the whole things does not escalate (again).

I am right now going through all the blood tests that I have collected over the years. The root cause for me is or has been definitely the liver. I by accident came across the following video a minute ago, in which the Doc recommends Trimethylglycine at a dose of 3 g daily over 6 months, he says that he says very good results at this dose. Beets are great source of Trimethylglycine as well "Dr. Bob" on youtube (that is another doctor) is a great fan of beets as well and recommends to eat them daily to help your liver. For me personally red beets work almost as good to as good as UDCA, but although I like them I can't eat them daily, so I will get my hands on some Tryme (Trimethylglycine). I always had high bilirubin, which Trimethylglycine counteracts, so if you have high bilirubin maybe you give it a shot too.

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Interesting, Believe. Beets have been on my radar, I may even have some in supplement form already. I know it's available.

srdo, before you leave the testosterone remember to post your idiodine regimen.

Joseph, looks like a fairly complete if somewhat messy list.

I've been on MSM again. Creatine and MSM are effective. MSM has helped me consistently with digestion and therefore energy. In regards to mucousal linings it's the most effective product I've tried for the price.

I don't know why I stop using it, though stop I do. I think it's when I feel better my body makes my mind forget I need it.

Overall everything people have posted lately makes sense: liver, adrenal, thyroid and connective tissue support.

For sexual dys/function I've found medical cannabis and tongkat ali to be fairly effective.

I'd imagine something like selegiline would work. The dopamine pathway gets smashed by accutane.

On 6/21/2013 at 6:32 AM, sdro123 said:

Does this seem like bullshit or is it just me? lol

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my bullshit meter is in overdrive.

The bullshit is strong in this one [Edited image out]. I can understand the use of the liver detox tea, accutane can damage the liver and in my case when my hair was shedding taking lots of herbal liver tinctures stopped it shedding. The bentonite clay is basically to bind any toxins that get released into the colon, if you've ever drank bentonite clay, it's an arduous task in itself just to get it down. I never really understood the drinking of clay, supposedly it binds toxins and stops their reabsorption. I don't think it's good for the body long time, it can lower nutrient uptake and food absorption. It's one of those things like liver flushes that are essentially pseudo-science based.

The hair formula is down right stupid and potentially dangerous. The minoxidil won't help accutane hair loss as far as i know, because the mechanism of hair loss is completely different. Normal baldness is associated with the hair follicles sensitivity to DHT, the DHT affects the absorbtion of vital nutrients required for healthy hair follicles, and the hair ends up getting thinner and thinner until it stops growing all together.

Accutane induced hair loss is usually associated with the hypervitaminosis A style effects of taking accutane. More specifically when the accutane leaves the fat cells or cell receptors it can cause a toxic shock in the body and hair loss can be triggered. Alot of people develop hair loss on accutane at the start or end of their course, supplementing vitamin A (retinol) or zinc (because zinc is the carrier for retinoic acid) potentiates the hair loss because both push the accutane out of the storage sites in the body.

This product actually has retinoic acid in it, i genuinely cannot believe that, how are you going to cure accutane induced side effects, by taking more accutane? this is just beyond comprehension. It'll probably worsen the side effects and overall toxicity doing this stupid shit. Save your money sdro.

srdo, before you leave the testosterone remember to post your idiodine regimen.

Joseph, looks like a fairly complete if somewhat messy list.

I've been on MSM again. Creatine and MSM are effective. MSM has helped me consistently with digestion and therefore energy. In regards to mucousal linings it's the most effective product I've tried for the price.

I don't know why I stop using it, though stop I do. I think it's when I feel better my body makes my mind forget I need it.

Overall everything people have posted lately makes sense: liver, adrenal, thyroid and connective tissue support.

For sexual dys/function I've found medical cannabis and tongkat ali to be fairly effective.

I'd imagine something like selegiline would work. The dopamine pathway gets smashed by accutane.

Tell me more about the MSM, I have over a kilo at home, have never been taking it consistently and the benefits have always been very marginal although I believe it to work, race horces are fed tons of MSM, so it must work.

The question is at what dose do you take it? How often and at what time of the day? With food or on empty stomach?

How long does it take to see results?

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Another question related to the liver is how to boost

Cholinesterase?

oh and being raised by a feminist makes you automatically a feminist? haha I LOVE your faulty logic. my god. That's like saying because i was raised republican I automatically espouse republican ideology. NOPE. sorry. Please look up the definition of feminist too. It isn't most guys ill-conceived notion of a girl burning her bra and wanting to stab men. It equates to equality for men and women, and everyone in between. I feel like just need to leave this forum it's getting so frustrating thanks to all this testosterone. No one can stay focused anymore.

Im sorry, but you may be wrong again, madam. Given the unquenchable desire for androgen inhibition here, which has been proven to skew traditional hormone ratios in men in favor of heightened estrogenic states, we a probably dealing with cattiness issues based on the aforesaid. I hope you dont consider my comments sexist, because I deemed youre conflating of too much testosterone with unrest and undesirability, as sexist. And, to think you were in the middle of a sanctimonious and self-righteous speech. Hypocrisy, is a bitch I tell you..erm sorry, I meant bastard.

I almost forgot to ask: Is my puddy (I am not comfortable with the sexually charged nature of the other word) cat sexist? My cat (Tom) likes being discursive, and, hence liberated from restrictive gender roles that are societally imposed in the privacy of his home. Hell, he may even just like MY red heels.

I've got a whole lot of MSM myself and never felt any benefits. Though, as with most things, you find something works on one person, and not another. Accutane appears to weaken people in different ways, and requires different forms of healing.

MSM also tastes like licking the side of a rusted pole :s Daaaamn it's bad. Y'all take tablets or have you destroyed your taste buds?

Also, what dosage do you take before you had an effect?

The bentonite clay is basically to bind any toxins that get released into the colon, if you've ever drank bentonite clay, it's an arduous task in itself just to get it down. I never really understood the drinking of clay, supposedly it binds toxins and stops their reabsorption. I don't think it's good for the body long time, it can lower nutrient uptake and food absorption. It's one of those things like liver flushes that are essentially pseudo-science based.

That's not true at all. Here in Germany healing earths and clays are administered internally with all different kinds of symptoms at various clinics with great success and there is apparently also a lot of research going on in this area, because everytime I see a report about healing earths and clays some Prof. Dr. is talking. There is a long history of using clays and healing earth here in Europe especially with skin and digestive problems. Often times people with severe illnesses can get off some of their medications by substituting with clays which basically don't have any side effects at all.

The taste is not a problem at all, at least for me with the clay I am taking right now. However, there are different kinds of clay, they don't all taste the same. Also you can take clays in pill form if you don't like the taste.

Patti lodes has taken msm for a few yrs now! She been a suffer since the 80's.....she has had chronic mucous and bacteria since accutane!

Hey guys! First time poster here. I found you after a series of health complications that doctors could not help me with, forcing me to take matters into my own hands.

I took Accutane about 7 years ago for 3 months when I was 14 and had absolutely no problems while on the drug. It cleared up my skin for about 3 years before acne and everything coming back. I noticed around the time I turned 18 that I could no longer tolerate dairy or lactaid pills and completely cut it out of my diet (my older brother who also took accutane also developed a lactose sensitivity around this time, he is able to take lactaid) I found this strange because neither my parents nor anyone in my family has ever been lactose intolerant. When I was 20 I tried to go on birth control pills and after only 4 days on them I developed heart palpitations and stopped taking them immediately. This started the first round of ER trips and cardiologists who told me I was healthy and there was absolutely nothing wrong with me. If you can believe it, most doctors told me that in athletic young women heart palpitations are completely normal (which I have never believed). I cut out caffeine completely as I had been drinking a lot of it. Despite this, I have experienced at least 1 big heart palpitation every day since then, most days I experience multiple. My GP also diagnosed me with Gilbert's syndrome which means I have too much billirubin in my liver but told me it was normal and not to do anything about it other than take 1000 ius of vitamin D every day.

Anyway, a couple of months later I got a bad cold and went to the doctor to ask what I could take that wouldn't bother my heart palpitations. He told me to avoid decongestants and take Mucinex. I did this and ended up in the ER again with bad heart palpitations. They told me I was fine. Fast forward to about 3 months ago, I ate shrimp and my throat felt like it was closing up so I went to the ER and they gave me benadryl and prednisone to take for 5 days after I left the hospital. They, once again, told me the prednisone would not cause any heart issues. I took the prednisone for 2 days and on the second day I felt a heaviness on my heart and then finally it started palpitating and rushing out of nowhere as I was just sitting and watching TV. ER again and they took x-rays and blood and told me everything was fine. I went to the ER 2 more times with heaviness and chest pain and they told me nothing was wrong and it was just anxiety. I'm honestly a super chill person so this was strange and I did not believe them for one second but they made it clear that they were not going to do anything else for me. I also started to develop pain in my liver area. I went to my GP who believes it is related to acix reflux and has me on Zantac 150 (an antacid) which doesn't seem to be doing anything (also told me my billirubin levels are normal now). And my cardiologist once again told me I am completely healthy (I've had 2 echocardiograms done and both came back normal). Also, I got tested and am not allergic to shrimp so I don't know what the throat tightness sensation is about.

(Sidenote: I am in college and binge drink on a weekly basis but have never had any health problems with alcohol other than the occasional hangover)

I now believe I have liver damage from Accutane and don't know what to do from here. I have a fear of taking any and all medicine now because they give me heart palpitations. I asked the ER and my GP to test my liver and they said all blood tests came back normal. I've read through some of the posts on here and most people seem to "self-medicate" with natural supplements? I don't even know where to begin with all that though.

My symptoms:

-Lactose sensitivity

-Heart palpitations (especially bad after taking medicine-this leads me to believe that my liver is not processing medicine correctly)

-IBS symptoms

-Occasional pain in the liver area

Any and all help would be appreciated! Or even just words of encouragement.

@Runner5 - For heart palpitations, I've read that supplementing with magnesium may help. It may also help heal your liver. See attached reference article.

http://drcarolyndean.com/2010/04/magnesium-cures-anxiety-and-heart-palpitations/

High bilirubin means, it was above the reference levels once before and it was always pretty high. I have had a lot of the symptoms of high bilirubin like yellowish eyes etc. I still get the yellowish eyes in the outer part of the sclera now and then. I had it before I started taking UDCA again most recently, UDCA took care of that.

Anybody else here with pretty high levels of IgG and pretty low levels of Cholinesterase? My IgG1 and IgG3 are way above the norm, IgG2 and IgG4 are within the normal range, but overall IgG is too high.

That is no advertising, have never ordered there before, but I just stumbled over bulkpowder.co.uk, they have great like GREAT prices for all you guys living in Europe plus a lot of products are sold in powdered form meaning you don't have to put up with a bunch of fillers. Usually I order everything I can get through customs in the US, but this site even beats US prices on quite a few products.

 

anyone having sexual dysfunction has "post finasteride syndrome" I was just diagnosed by a top doctor at Johns Hopkins. Not sure where to go from here but rick simpson oil looks promising if it is made properly

What did he diagnosis you with? Just sexual dysfunction? Did he give you a reason?

 

>anyone having sexual dysfunction has "post finasteride syndrome" I was just diagnosed by a top doctor at Johns Hopkins. Not sure where to go from here but rick simpson oil looks promising if it is made pr

operly

What did he diagnosis you with? Just sexual dysfunction? Did he give you a reason?

 

Sdro123 I am not home yet, buy holy shit! Where did you run across that! I'll have too look into it when I get back lol! Got me curious on who this physician is and uhh I don't remember his name in the past!

He just confirmed that sexual dysfunction caused by accutane is post finasteride syndrome because they are both 5 alpha reductase inhibitors

This is VERY interesting. Thanks for sharing this with us this acne1776!

Did your doctor surmise this based on his own knowledge and experience, or did you have to "educate" him before he reached this conclusion?

This is fantastic news for us if some in the medical community have linked the similarities between Accutane-induced sexual dysfunction and PFS on their own.

Dubya- yeah I got that when I reread it! Iam out of town and trying too weed through all the crazy posts!

Runner5 - I had the same thing and still do kinda with the palpitations and meds, I had multiple testing on the heart for me I believe it's a form or autonomic neuropathy type issue!

Anyways, like the above poster suggested get a good magnesium and it should help! You could also try some udca if you think your liver is compromised! There's a few poster here who had success!

Iam sorry too have you aboard but welcome!

Well I just ordered some NAC, TMG/Betaine, Milk Thistle and Choline Bitrate/Phosphatidylcholine at bulkpowders.co.uk, all this stuff is supposed to help the liver, I ordered 100g of each just to try, have not ordered there before, but the prices are incredible, however can't say nothing about the quality or anything. If anyone else wants to try the site feel free to use my coupon code (FH81989) to get a discount over 5 pounds on your next order.