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My bet is that it will stop at 5 and a half months david, As if you don't stop after 3-4 months i agree that mypoorhairs theory applies, in that you need to add the telogen length to the length of time accutane is in your system... You sound as if you are sensitive to accutane and TE was triggered as soon as you ingested it (Your hairloss started after 4 months if i remember correctly), therefore you need to add on your telogen length (4 ish months) to the amount of time it was in your system...(2 months after stopping) So nearly 6 months in total. you will be fine in the end though don't worry im sure of it. I just have a feeling about yours (sounds gay i know) but i know you will be fine...
Yes i do see regrowth in the temple region, what youve gotta remember though is i still wouldn't call it really substancial(sp) it's just pretty noticeable to me, other people can see the hairs all along my hairline aswell though, but im sure if i have some now i should continue to see more, well i hope anyway!!
P.s. dolph, you finished at almost exactly the same time as me, so yeah the 23rd (of april) is bang on!! you must of been off accutane about 94 ish days...
um maybe I have the months completely mixed up in my head but wasnt it 2 months ago instead of 3? april > may > june
Ok i have a PM from you Dolph that was sent on the 30th of may, and you said you had been off accutane for about 1.5 months, that was a month ago, so you have only been off for about 2.5-3 months...
Lol, i'm getting myself confused here i just checked my accutane log and i finished on the 22nd of MARCH, not april.... so yeah 96 days for me about 60 odd for you!!
Ok i have a PM from you Dolph that was sent on the 30th of may, and you said you had been off accutane for about 1.5 months, that was a month ago, so you have only been off for about 2.5-3 months...
yea I didnt give the exact time but now Im starting remember and Im positive I did stop on april 23rd and thats just a little bit over 2 months ago. so thats not even that long ago no wonder I dont see regrowth yet.
My bet is that it will stop at 5 and a half months david, As if you don't stop after 3-4 months i agree that mypoorhairs theory applies, in that you need to add the telogen length to the length of time accutane is in your system... You sound as if you are sensitive to accutane and TE was triggered as soon as you ingested it (Your hairloss started after 4 months if i remember correctly), therefore you need to add on your telogen length (4 ish months) to the amount of time it was in your system...(2 months after stopping) So nearly 6 months in total. you will be fine in the end though don't worry im sure of it. I just have a feeling about yours (sounds gay i know) but i know you will be fine...
thanks man. it's just hard to go through this and day after day wake up and just pray you don't lose anymore hair.
It is strange actually, my regrowth has begun almost exactly the same length of time as the average telogen duration (3 months) hmmm, shall be interesting to see if my shedding stops in another month or so....
I don't think i was ultra sensitive to the accutane so mine may be different, i think it may well of been either A the upping of my dose to 80 mg, from 60 or B when i had to discontinue due to brain swelling/blurred vision, i'm certain that would be enough stress on the body, plus the fact i was so emotionally distressed.
You guys who had no other side effects/emotional distress etc, i think you were very sensitive to the accutane so you may well have to wait until it is totaly out of your system, plus your telogen length, then for considerable regrowth, your telogen length on top of that...So 8-9 months for your hair going back to normal!!
My bet is that it will stop at 5 and a half months david, As if you don't stop after 3-4 months i agree that mypoorhairs theory applies, in that you need to add the telogen length to the length of time accutane is in your system... You sound as if you are sensitive to accutane and TE was triggered as soon as you ingested it (Your hairloss started after 4 months if i remember correctly), therefore you need to add on your telogen length (4 ish months) to the amount of time it was in your system...(2 months after stopping) So nearly 6 months in total. you will be fine in the end though don't worry im sure of it. I just have a feeling about yours (sounds gay i know) but i know you will be fine...
thanks man. it's just hard to go through this and day after day wake up and just pray you don't lose anymore hair.
I hear you man, and it must be so much worse for you and ithappens, having shed for so long...
I'm actually really confused about when I stopped taking accutane. I know I said I've been off for about 4 months but now I think that's completely wrong. I know I stopped in the month after spring break on the 23rd, and I think spring break was in march, so that would mean I stopped april 23rd. or it might have been in february.
Actually I just looked through my mail and now I'm sure I stopped april 23rd.
By the way lamar do you see any regrowth in the temple region? because that's the region Im most worried about.
Any mypoorhair what about the people who started losing hair while on accutane..
A few pages back, I may have articulated my theory that Accutane causes 2 bouts of telogen effluvium, which overlap. Try to follow me here:
I took Accutane for 5 months. Since my shed began in my fifth month, the trigger occurred three months earlier. This means that two months of Accutane was enough to trigger hair loss. But since I didn't realize this effect until my fifth month of Accutane, that means I had 2.5 triggers. 2 months + 2 months + 1 month. According to my theory, the first shed happened because of the first trigger and my second shed, at month 3, happened because of my second trigger.
So either:
1. My hair will grow back 100 days after the beginning of my second bout of TE, i.e., in about 6 to 7 months.
OR
2. Two telogen effluviums messed me up forever.
Dolph: you should do a similar calculation to mine to determine your regrowth date.
I really hope that all made sense.
I'm actually really confused about when I stopped taking accutane. I know I said I've been off for about 4 months but now I think that's completely wrong. I know I stopped in the month after spring break on the 23rd, and I think spring break was in march, so that would mean I stopped april 23rd. or it might have been in february.
Actually I just looked through my mail and now I'm sure I stopped april 23rd.
By the way lamar do you see any regrowth in the temple region? because that's the region Im most worried about.
Any mypoorhair what about the people who started losing hair while on accutane..
A few pages back, I may have articulated my theory that Accutane causes 2 bouts of telogen effluvium, which overlap. Try to follow me here:
I took Accutane for 5 months. Since my shed began in my fifth month, the trigger occurred three months earlier. This means that two months of Accutane was enough to trigger hair loss. But since I didn't realize this effect until my fifth month of Accutane, that means I had 2.5 triggers. 2 months + 2 months + 1 month. According to my theory, the first shed happened because of the first trigger and my second shed, at month 3, happened because of my second trigger.
So either:
1. My hair will grow back 100 days after the beginning of my second bout of TE, i.e., in about 6 to 7 months.
OR
2. Two telogen effluviums messed me up forever.
Dolph: you should do a similar calculation to mine to determine your regrowth date.
I really hope that all made sense.
By the way, everyone, this is why I think that people who suffer from hair loss months after stand a better chance. Because, for them, the amount of Accutane required was 5 months' worth. Which means they only went through one bout of TE.
Hmmm, i see your theory there, but i personally think it is either how you say, or when the drug is increased, this triggers more of a 'shock' to the system and creates the TE. Which you then begin shedding x number of months after this. Obviously the initial dose is often enough for some people...
We also need to consider the cumulative effect accutane has in your body, as the course duration increases, so does the total of isotretinoin in your system...
Btw julius began shedding 1 month after finishing his course, so i mean people who begin shedding after accutane don't always recover...
so did you stop instantly dolph?
Mypoorhair: it doesn't make sense because I started noticing shedding after 7 weeks, and then I stopped. Now I feel really down about it. I was on 40mg the first 4 weeks and 80mg the last 3.
It makes perfect sense dolph, the telogen phase can be anything from 1-6 months, yours is obviously VERY short, your shedding should also be short, which is probably why it stopped for you so quickly to begin with. I'm sure it will stop again in a few weeks...
Ok this is based on hair transplants, but these also go through TE, due to the shock of them being transferred. The reason why im going to paste this as i feel it is the most monitered form of TE, and will give us an idea of what to expect...
"Usually, there is a slight delay whilst the hair bulb re-establishes itself and then the hair will appear again at about 12 weeks. This can be slower or quicker than that and it is also important to understand that the hair will initially be fine hair and hard to see until it matures further.
By about 6 months post procedure, the hair should be noticeable, sometimes more curly than normal, but this maturation process continues until about 18 months and the hair will achieve its' final quality."
So like you say mypoorhair, 6 months AFTER all you hair has dropped out is when you should start noticeing considerable regrowth, i can see many smaller hairs aswell, that look smaller than normal hairs, so these will probably also develope into mature hairs eventually, i don't know how or why i am seeing regrowth as i am though, it could of been the grape seed extract or anything...
that's the thing with us, we try so many treatments that we dont know if its the treatment causing the regrowth or even in some cases causing the hair to fall out more with excessive vitamins and stuff., I personally can't say if my hair stopping from falling out is caused by the biotin supplements or what not. I started to notice my hair getting better in texture nothing major but hopefully in a few months it will go back completely to how it was before.
I think I'm losing hope. My hairline has begun to recede, I think. And as it does, it cuts into my bang line, if that makes sense. Here's a makeshift diagram, where the parentheses represent my recession and the dotted line represents my bang line:
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What do you think? Should I give up? Honestly.
You know what mate, i also probably see a bit of recession at my temples, well atleast my right one. I'm not gonna give up though, but it is a bit gutting....
Don't give up coz your minoxidil may of caused more hair to fall out at your temples, which will regrow. Only thing is we shouldn't give up, but we really shouldn't let it consume us!!
i've got to say i do not see any recession. my left and right sides (temples, i guess) are full of hair and have not gone back any in the last 3 months, which was about the time i actively looked at my temple region. however, just looking at the area above my ears and side burns, it has definately taken a hit. it's probably the only place i have hair loss that could be considered noticeable, but i have hair going over the top of it so you can't really see it.
I'm considering ordering some spectral DNC, what minoxidil are you using mypoorhair? I really don't want to take propecia tbh, i may be fine, but after what accutane has done to me...I am no where near as ready to take a risk when it comes to things i put in my body...
The rest of my hair, is increasing in thickness like MAD, seriously there is so much growing in, the bad thing is i can feel my temples are less dense than anywhere else, this suggests that the rest of my head is uneffected by the DHT, but obviously my temples are...Who knows maybe the hair in this area may just take longer to catch up, but i'm pretty sure it will end up receeded to some extent, ah well... Hair transplants i guess lads? lol.
I mean i do see regrowth in the temple areas, but i have friends who are receeding and have the same thing, so i really don't know. Hair is still falling out from all over my head though, even the bottom back of my head. Loosing about 150 a day...would love to go back to the days of loosing none visably!!
I'm considering ordering some spectral DNC, what minoxidil are you using mypoorhair? I really don't want to take propecia tbh, i may be fine, but after what accutane has done to me...I am no where near as ready to take a risk when it comes to things i put in my body...The rest of my hair, is increasing in thickness like MAD, seriously there is so much growing in, the bad thing is i can feel my temples are less dense than anywhere else, this suggests that the rest of my head is uneffected by the DHT, but obviously my temples are...Who knows maybe the hair in this area may just take longer to catch up, but i'm pretty sure it will end up receeded to some extent, ah well... Hair transplants i guess lads? lol.
I mean i do see regrowth in the temple areas, but i have friends who are receeding and have the same thing, so i really don't know. Hair is still falling out from all over my head though, even the bottom back of my head. Loosing about 150 a day...would love to go back to the days of loosing none visably!!
Amazing, Lamarr. This is great news. Shedding doesn't matter at this point. You're regrowing the hair. It's tremendous. The shedding will soon stop, I'm sure of it.
By the way, I'm using plain old Rogaine. The brand.
The answers I got from my doctor about hair loss: Part II
Let me sum up the main points:
+ We should avoid not only vitamin A, but all fat soluble vitamins, including D, E, and K.
+ Those with permanent hair loss probably have secondary causes, such as lupus, MPB, or something else.
+ We should take iron and biotin.
+ This one will blow you away. At least I was blown away by it. Accutane causes hair loss by keeping hairs in the anagen phase for a longer period of time, like pregnancy does. Then they all shed at once.
+ She gave me the e-mail address of her friend, who was the director of the hair clinic at NYU. I'll be e-mailing him soon and will share the answers I get.
+ She said my scalp looks healthy and still capable of producing hair. She also could not confirm that I had MPB.
Ok, i have been taking fish oil tablets, they contain both vitamin D and A, but in much lower levels than that of cod liver oil for instance... Would it still be ok to reach our daily allowance of fat soluble vitamins, or do you think it's best to keep them to a minimum?
Maybe it has been the grape seed extract that has given me regrowth early on... as it is proven to keep hairs in anagen for longer and reduce the length of telogen.
One thing i don't understand in what you have said there is that accutane keeps hairs in the anagen phase for a longer period of time, if that was the case how come people begin shedding during the treatment?
As with pregnancy, it is true that post partum shedding can be due to more hairs being held onto during pregnancy, which are then shed after giving birth. But there is also TE caused by the stress of giving birth and the change in hormones...
But if it was due only to holding onto hair's we would of lost during our 5/6 month courses, we would not be loosing the massive amounts we are, it seems as if there are factors which are being overlooked...or simply not known about!!
P.S. it is good that she can't comfirm you have MPB, as this probably indicates you don't, i bet you will see regrowth from the minox in 3 months!!
Ok, i have been taking fish oil tablets, they contain both vitamin D and A, but in much lower levels than that of cod liver oil for instance... Would it still be ok to reach our daily allowance of fat soluble vitamins, or do you think it's best to keep them to a minimum?
Maybe it has been the grape seed extract that has given me regrowth early on... as it is proven to keep hairs in anagen for longer and reduce the length of telogen.
One thing i don't understand in what you have said there is that accutane keeps hairs in the anagen phase for a longer period of time, if that was the case how come people begin shedding during the treatment?
As with pregnancy, it is true that post partum shedding can be due to more hairs being held onto during pregnancy, which are then shed after giving birth. But there is also TE caused by the stress of giving birth and the change in hormones...
But if it was due only to holding onto hair's we would of lost during our 5/6 month courses, we would not be loosing the massive amounts we are, it seems as if there are factors which are being overlooked...or simply not known about!!
P.S. it is good that she can't comfirm you have MPB, as this probably indicates you don't, i bet you will see regrowth from the minox in 3 months!!
I know. I don't know if I buy her analogy to pregnancy. I have no idea.
I have no idea anymore. Sure she said she couldn't confirm MPB, but who knows anymore.
I think it is plain and simply a shock to our system, which can either be witnessed early on in your course on initiation of the drug (shedding follows your telogen length after the initiation) or once you have had your dose upped and/or accutane begins to accumulate in your system, as with many of the side effects with accutane they are often not seen until the later months of the course, when it has had chance to build up in our system...
So when the point in which our bodies can't handle that much accutane a shock to the system is whitnessed and again shedding begins after your telogen length from this point in time.
Mate atleast it is not going to get any worse for you, it will only get better from now on, minox WILL help and seens as we have only been shedding for months, it gives us a great chance of good recovery (hairs havent had long to become miniturized)
Btw you may want to do some research on this stuff....You could use it once a day along with regular minox once a day...If you want to keep costs down. But if i end up using anything it will be this...
http://www.inhousepharmacy.com/hair-loss/spectral_dnc.htm l" rel="external nofollow"> https://web.archive.org/web/20100727011054/http://www.inhousepharmacy.com/hair-loss/spectral_dnc.html
It's over the counter so please don't remove the link mods..
It even says, hair lost to stress medication etc, can be re grown without dependence on the drug, so we should be able to discontinue it without loosing the newly grown hair. Even if we do become dependant on it, we can drop down to once daily use and it even says you can go for 1-2 weeks with no change in hairgrowth/loss...