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It has systemic action?? No shit, that's what you want with progesterone. The one from Ray Peat that is mixed with vit-e is the best as far as absorption rates go.
There are reports on the net of people taking everything and anything and it causing hair loss.
There's also reports of MEN taking progesterone and getting hair growth, the link you posted is a FEMALE who is also on a bunch of other stuff.
Le'ts not take into account most females when they boost their progesterone have INCREASED hair growth for the most part, right?
If you WANT systemic affects, and not local to the hair follicle then you aren't taking it for hair loss reason. As the only possible way it could help it topically to inhibit the local generation of DHT. This thread is all about hair loss, and not hard selling Ray Peat's progesterone cream. Until you can post some sort of study/science supporting progesterone helping hair loss, you are nothing more than a shill for a product that could have potentially long term negative effects on someone (secondary hypogonadism as a result of long term suppression of LH). I'm all for experimentation, but this has been tried and isn't worth the risk IMO. So if anyone else is looking at trying it, I strongly discourage you. Again : I've tried it, it didn't work.
Regarding your first sentence.. lolwut?? The majority of cases I've seen of people who have grown back hair with progesterone was completely by accident, they weren't putting it on their heads, they were just supplementing with it (systemically, IE upping their daily intake) and hair growth on their head was a nice bonus side effect. There's also this guy who says progesterone was the best thing he's ever used for growing hair at the temples: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/personal_journal-pj-448.html
I'm not trying to sell that specific cream you moron, I just don't want people to go buy an obsolete one, the vit-e content in it is very important.
You say I'm a shill, and then you say Spiro is the safest anti-androgen?! lol, there are countless reports of guys on forums who have used spiro and then weeks later post about how their libido is HORRIBLE, can't get erections, they feel depressed, no energy, chest pains, etc, and then it takes weeks for them to even feel normal again. Yet you say it's the safest?!
And you used to take propecia too??.. yikes, maybe that's why progesterone didn't work.. you brain is broken 
, scary stuff, that finasteride. In all seriousness though, nothing will work for everybody. "Oh.. I tried that.. didn't work for me, so it won't work for you" is a very narrow-minded outlook. There have been reports of it working, and working very well for some people. I wouldn't be worried about LH suppression. It's nothing a little clomid couldn't fix (if need be, although I doubt it would even be an issue). Hell if it can restart HPTA's after megadoses of roids, it can surely do the same for someone running moderate doses of Progesterone, not that I've ever even heard of such a thing (progesterone causing hypogonadism).
But please, don't listen to me... that guy tried it, and it didn't work! so... do not try it. 
I deffo won't be trying this, he's the second person to say it causes problems
Don't take my advice or his advice, we're just dorks on some acne forum. Please, do your own research and come up with your own conclusion.
Ray Peat on progesterone (part 2) http://www.radio4all.net/files/[email protected]/3972-1-RayPeatProgesteronePart2_Final_1.29.12.mp3
Progesterone is very, very safe and has a ton of health benefits for men. Do your own research. Wait for my before/after pictures.
egarding your first sentence.. lolwut?? The majority of cases I've seen of people who have grown back hair with progesterone was completely by accident, they weren't putting it on their heads, they were just supplementing with it (systemically, IE upping their daily intake) and hair growth on their head was a nice bonus side effect. There's also this guy who says progesterone was the best thing he's ever used for growing hair at the temples: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/personal_journal-pj-448.html
I'm not trying to sell that specific cream you moron, I just don't want people to go buy an obsolete one, the vit-e content in it is very important.
You say I'm a shill, and then you say Spiro is the safest anti-androgen?! lol, there are countless reports of guys on forums who have used spiro and then weeks later post about how their libido is HORRIBLE, can't get erections, they feel depressed, no energy, chest pains, etc, and then it takes weeks for them to even feel normal again. Yet you say it's the safest?!
And you used to take propecia too??.. yikes, maybe that's why progesterone didn't work.. you brain is broken , scary stuff, that finasteride. In all seriousness though, nothing will work for everybody. "Oh.. I tried that.. didn't work for me, so it won't work for you" is a very narrow-minded outlook. There have been reports of it working, and working very well for some people. I wouldn't be worried about LH suppression. It's nothing a little clomid couldn't fix (if need be, although I doubt it would even be an issue). Hell if it can restart HPTA's after megadoses of roids, it can surely do the same for someone running moderate doses of Progesterone, not that I've ever even heard of such a thing (progesterone causing hypogonadism).
But please, don't listen to me... that guy tried it, and it didn't work! so... do not try it.
"I stopped taking progesterone due to some spider veins I developed. Its common side of progesterone. And yes it sucks.", via wikipedia "In men, they are related to high estrogen levels ". Not to mention the guy was on finsteride, and mixed Dut into the progesterone at the start. If the best hope you have is this guy...
Why is vitamin E so important? Do you find some studies on that and form your own opinion?
Again you've conflated topical 5% spiro with oral spiro. Here, have some science: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3411088 "No changes in any levels of these hormones have been detected and plasma canrenone levels were undetectable during the 72 hours of topical treatment. Topically administered, spironolactone appears to have only a local skin impregnation.".
You are exactly what this thread does not need, someone with an opinion based on not much more than a feeling.
Spiro gave me sides. Chest pains, irregular heart beat. I'm not the only one. There is also no one who claims to have had any major regrowth with spiro, or even any minor regrowth?. If a 72 hour study (lol) is enough to convince you it has no sides, and forgetting all the reports of people saying it killed their libido/energy levels, etc, go ahead.. and keep in mind, with spiro, really the best you can hope for is to maintain what you have pretty much.
The spider veins thing is odd, and not directly linked to progesterone in any type of literature anywhere that I know of. The formula's he was using had a bunch of other crap in it and may have been the estrogenic wild yam variant most likely.
Spiro gave me sides. Chest pains, irregular heart beat. I'm not the only one. There is also no one who claims to have had any major regrowth with spiro, or even any minor regrowth?. If a 72 hour study (lol) is enough to convince you it has no sides, and forgetting all the reports of people saying it killed their libido/energy levels, etc, go ahead.. and keep in mind, with spiro, really the best you can hope for is to maintain what you have pretty much.
The spider veins thing is odd, and not directly linked to progesterone in any type of literature anywhere that I know of. The formula's he was using had a bunch of other crap in it and may have been the estrogenic wild yam variant most likely.
"If progesterone is taken dissolved in vitamin E, it is absorbed very efficiently, and distributed quickly to all of the tissues. When dissolved in vitamin E, progesterone begins entering the blood stream almost as soon as it contacts any membrane, such as the lips, tongue, gums, or palate, but when it is swallowed, it continues to be absorbed as part of the digestive process. When taken with food, its absorption occurs at the same rate as the digestion and absorption of the food."http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/vitamin-e.shtml More info on vitamin e and why it's so important.
Did you just negate a study, and then in the same post offer up an opinion as fact based on... nothing?
I don't have the time or energy to rebuild your belief system and invest in the scientific method, and since you don't already subscribe to it there is no point having any sort of logic discussion with you. Good luck with your progesterone, and watch out for symptoms of endocrine suppression (low libido doesn't happen for weeks or even months, take this from someone who is on testosterone replacement) and estrogen regulation problem like gynomastica and spider veins.
Spiro gave me sides. Chest pains, irregular heart beat. I'm not the only one. There is also no one who claims to have had any major regrowth with spiro, or even any minor regrowth?. If a 72 hour study (lol) is enough to convince you it has no sides, and forgetting all the reports of people saying it killed their libido/energy levels, etc, go ahead.. and keep in mind, with spiro, really the best you can hope for is to maintain what you have pretty much.
The spider veins thing is odd, and not directly linked to progesterone in any type of literature anywhere that I know of. The formula's he was using had a bunch of other crap in it and may have been the estrogenic wild yam variant most likely.
"If progesterone is taken dissolved in vitamin E, it is absorbed very efficiently, and distributed quickly to all of the tissues. When dissolved in vitamin E, progesterone begins entering the blood stream almost as soon as it contacts any membrane, such as the lips, tongue, gums, or palate, but when it is swallowed, it continues to be absorbed as part of the digestive process. When taken with food, its absorption occurs at the same rate as the digestion and absorption of the food."http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/vitamin-e.shtml More info on vitamin e and why it's so important.Did you just negate a study, and then in the same post offer up an opinion as fact based on... nothing?
I don't have the time or energy to rebuild your belief system and invest in the scientific method, and since you don't already subscribe to it there is no point having any sort of logic discussion with you. Good luck with your progesterone, and watch out for symptoms of endocrine suppression (low libido doesn't happen for weeks or even months, take this from someone who is on testosterone replacement) and estrogen regulation problem like gynomastica and spider veins.
lol@you seeing that report of a guy reporting spider veins, now you mention it as a possible side effect for me to watch out for. You're funny dude.
From the guys using it longterm on progesteronetherapy site, no claims of low libido or anything, it only helps... but guess we'll see. I think the prolactin inhibition effects of progesterone is making me hornier than ever right now.. I actually wish my libido would go down a bit, it's getting crazy.
Interesting study here guys, on men with premature balding.
Basically, the one thing they all had in common... low SHBG!
Interesting. I know clomid increases SHBG, so perhaps I'll get back on that, low dose EOD.
I posted before about the hair transplant option but nobody gave any input.
It's really not very expensive nowadays so I'm wondering why nobody else considers this?
My hair is certainly going in classic MPB style, with it receded 1-2 inches. It's been going for around 4-5 years so I'm just glad it isn't too fast, though it might be because my hair used to very thick.
Jimmyjoners, what are you trying next? Igf-1 lr3 or igf-1 scalp injections? I have never heard of these...
There peptides mate used for building muscle, kind of like very mild steroids in a way. They make your body release more growth hormone, which can help hair but others may lose hair so it's a 50/50 really
I posted before about the hair transplant option but nobody gave any input.
It's really not very expensive nowadays so I'm wondering why nobody else considers this?
My hair is certainly going in classic MPB style, with it receded 1-2 inches. It's been going for around 4-5 years so I'm just glad it isn't too fast, though it might be because my hair used to very thick.
I think it will be a waste of money, all the new hair that starts growing after the op will look stupid when the hair around it falls out, we're losing hair for a reason if everybody starts getting more and more tests done we will probably find the answer, but most people on here are desperate including me and trying pointless stuff which will most likely make the hairloss worse.
Jimmyjoners, what are you trying next? Igf-1 lr3 or igf-1 scalp injections? I have never heard of these...
Like Blue09 said, they are peptides used by bodybuilders mostly.
The thinking here, is that DHT down regulates igf-1 at the hair follicle level as one of the ways it kills hair. There was some study that found that for people who Propecia/Finasteride worked for, their hair follicles had up-regulated the expression of igf-1, and for those who didn't respond, igf-1 expression was the same. There are also studies where topical igf-1 was used to increase hair thickness and quantity. So we know igf-1 is good for hair. There was some contention for a long time because some study showed a lot of men with hair loss had either low levels of serum igf-1 OR high levels. Low levels makes sense, high levels however were a bit confusing. Turns out high levels of igf-1 are likely caused by insulin insensitivity (low levels can also be a sign of this), so even if their levels are high the igf-1 isn't binding to it's receptors effectively.
So cool we can all agree igf-1 is good for hair, but now the issue is do you use igf-1 or igf-1 lr3? The lr3 version is a longer chain that allows it to stay in the body for longer (half life of 20 hours or so), where as regular igf-1 is quick metabolized, and acts very locally (bodybuilders will inject it into individual lagging muscles after a work out for localized action). Igf-1 lr3 is used systematically, it has a chance to bind to all sorts of receptors by virtue of being around for so long. But if topical Igf-1 worked, then it makes sense to me that you don't really need the lr3 version, but I can't really see why it would be bad (except for it lower your natural GH release).
I posted before about the hair transplant option but nobody gave any input.
It's really not very expensive nowadays so I'm wondering why nobody else considers this?
My hair is certainly going in classic MPB style, with it receded 1-2 inches. It's been going for around 4-5 years so I'm just glad it isn't too fast, though it might be because my hair used to very thick.
I think it will be a waste of money, all the new hair that starts growing after the op will look stupid when the hair around it falls out, we're losing hair for a reason if everybody starts getting more and more tests done we will probably find the answer, but most people on here are desperate including me and trying pointless stuff which will most likely make the hairloss worse.
Am I the only one who has no pattern to the hair loss? Mine is totally diffuse, not pattern at all.
Went to the doctors, he said it wouldn't be cortisol as it would of showed in my kidney test, I've got a thyroid test to book, otherwise he said I could try zinc selenium and if that fails he said there's basically nothing we can do.
What kind of doctor is he? a regular GP, or?
Has anybody considered Folliculitis as I and other people in this thread have reported scalp acne/bumps.
Im considering taking some minocycline for it as I still have a pack laying around and I have read that it is the go to antibiotic because of the anti-inflammatory properties
Went to the doctors, he said it wouldn't be cortisol as it would of showed in my kidney test, I've got a thyroid test to book, otherwise he said I could try zinc selenium and if that fails he said there's basically nothing we can do.
What kind of doctor is he? a regular GP, or?
Regular gp mike, to be honest he didn't actually no what b5 was so not much hope there haha, how's the prog going?
Has anybody considered Folliculitis as I and other people in this thread have reported scalp acne/bumps.
Im considering taking some minocycline for it as I still have a pack laying around and I have read that it is the go to antibiotic because of the anti-inflammatory properties
Yeh I get the scalp dermatitis/acne or whatever it is lol, it sucks, scalp itches a lot too.
Elessarx are you cured now
Went to the doctors, he said it wouldn't be cortisol as it would of showed in my kidney test, I've got a thyroid test to book, otherwise he said I could try zinc selenium and if that fails he said there's basically nothing we can do.
What kind of doctor is he? a regular GP, or?
Regular gp mike, to be honest he didn't actually no what b5 was so not much hope there haha, how's the prog going?
>Has anybody considered Folliculitis as I and other people in this thread have reported scalp acne/bumps.
Im considering taking some minocycline for it as I still have a pack laying around and I have read that it is the go to antibiotic because of the anti-inflammatory properties
Yeh I get the scalp dermatitis/acne or whatever it is lol, it sucks, scalp itches a lot too.
Elessarx are you cured now
Wouldnt considered myself cured cause I still got the dermatitis. However I still havent started shedding again, just the small fucking hairs that I think cant grow cause of my scalp condition
Went to the doctors, he said it wouldn't be cortisol as it would of showed in my kidney test, I've got a thyroid test to book, otherwise he said I could try zinc selenium and if that fails he said there's basically nothing we can do.
What kind of doctor is he? a regular GP, or?
Regular gp mike, to be honest he didn't actually no what b5 was so not much hope there haha, how's the prog going?
>>Has anybody considered Folliculitis as I and other people in this thread have reported scalp acne/bumps.
Im considering taking some minocycline for it as I still have a pack laying around and I have read that it is the go to antibiotic because of the anti-inflammatory properties
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Yeh I get the scalp dermatitis/acne or whatever it is lol, it sucks, scalp itches a lot too.
Elessarx are you cured now
Wouldnt considered myself cured cause I still got the dermatitis. However I still havent started shedding again, just the small fucking hairs that I think cant grow cause of my scalp condition
Are you still taking b1? Also are you taking anymore supplements
Got my thyroid test booked for Monday. Has anyone else had a thyroid test done?
This threads pretty much dead so I'm off, good luck with the hairloss guys if anyone still out there. I'm giving up and shaving my head. Peace out
Seriously?
Progesterone is going great. New hairs at hairline. It's too early to get too optimistic though, I want to wait 2-3 months before I take pics for progress.
Had a blood test done last wednesday.
Got an appointment later today, will let you know how it went