http://www.arltma.com/Articles/CopperToxDoc.htm / "excessive copper levels have been associated with low levels of pantothenic acid."

http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v31/n1/full/jid195868a.html "It was found that when serum copper levels were raised in human pellagra cases, the levels could be lowered to an irreducible value for at least a week by a single dose of pantothenic acid. Elevation of serum copper may thus be an index of pantothenic acid deficiency in man."

http://books.google.com.eg/books?id=VS9YWqnMpNsC&pg=PA824&lpg=PA824&dq=pantothenic+acid+copper&source=bl&ots=vb9l_e5j6J&sig=DpwoXUPe1xSpsVKl68mAhyXvlFw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZBxCUr-qJ82c0wXQqYDoCA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=pantothenic%20acid%20copper&f=false "high doses of copper sulfate led to severe symptoms of a pantothenic acid deficiency."

If i were u id have a test asap and save money on getting unrelated supplements to help my hair, address the root cause instead. Good Luck.

http://www.arltma.com/Articles/CopperToxDoc.htm / "excessive copper levels have been associated with low levels of pantothenic acid."

http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v31/n1/full/jid195868a.html "It was found that when serum copper levels were raised in human pellagra cases, the levels could be lowered to an irreducible value for at least a week by a single dose of pantothenic acid. Elevation of serum copper may thus be an index of pantothenic acid deficiency in man." http://books.google.com.eg/books?id=VS9YWqnMpNsC&pg=PA824&lpg=PA824&dq=pantothenic+acid+copper&source=bl&ots=vb9l_e5j6J&sig=DpwoXUPe1xSpsVKl68mAhyXvlFw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZBxCUr-qJ82c0wXQqYDoCA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=pantothenic acid copper&f=false "high doses of copper sulfate led to severe symptoms of a pantothenic acid deficiency."

If i were u id have a test asap and save money on getting unrelated supplements to help my hair, address the root cause instead. Good Luck.

Not sure if I'm being thick here but all of these are talking about b5 deficiency not copper deficiency

No the middle one talks about copper levels reduced after a single dose of pantothenic acid. It goes both ways, if one depletes the other then its vice versa. Iv experienced hair loss due to copper deficiency and im trying to help u.

this sounds interesting yaer. for how long did you experience hairloss, and was it just on the top of the scalp, or all over? and how long long did it take for you to recover with copper..

We appreciate it yaer. Thank you! Like churcill I am also intrested in knowing how long it took to recover from your hairloss with copper?

On an other note I had to stop saw palmetto because it was giving me sour nipples. Its not a nice feeling and I hope it goes away soon. I stopped saw plametto three days ago but the nipplepain is only gettig worse. I read somewhere you can get bitchtitts from saw plametto. I think it was helping my hairgrowth but I dont want to wake up with long hair and breasts. I rather be bald than a ladyboy.

Keep posting we'll find a way to beat this..

I lost hair for a while and did not know the cause until i did a blood test, it was all over the scalp and i also lost color of hair, i mega dosed chelated copper for a while and it resolved, maybe 2/3 weeks.

I lost hair for a while and did not know the cause until i did a blood test, it was all over the scalp and i also lost color of hair, i mega dosed chelated copper for a while and it resolved, maybe 2/3 weeks.

Did you have any other symptoms, besides hair loss (sleep problems, anxiety, weight loss, scalp problems, etc.)? How long have you been off of b5?

No the middle one talks about copper levels reduced after a single dose of pantothenic acid. It goes both ways, if one depletes the other then its vice versa. Iv experienced hair loss due to copper deficiency and im trying to help u.

Hi mate sorry looking back my post sounded a bit bitchy but really I actually meant I was have a thick moment haha. Anyways Ive noticed that there is 3mg copper in one of the supplements I've just started taking so hopefully that will make a difference.

We appreciate it yaer. Thank you! Like churcill I am also intrested in knowing how long it took to recover from your hairloss with copper?

On an other note I had to stop saw palmetto because it was giving me sour nipples. Its not a nice feeling and I hope it goes away soon. I stopped saw plametto three days ago but the nipplepain is only gettig worse. I read somewhere you can get bitchtitts from saw plametto. I think it was helping my hairgrowth but I dont want to wake up with long hair and breasts. I rather be bald than a ladyboy.

 

Yeh the saw palmetto is lowering your dht which is antagonising your estrogen thus causing the first signs of gyno. If you did wish to continue with the saw palmetto then get yourself some nolvadex which will eliminate any problems you get.

Keep posting we'll find a way to beat this..

I was never on mea dose b5 but i know this from research, i suffered copper deficiency due to mega dosing on vitamin c, iron and zinc. I dont think the multi vitamin u take is enough, u need to take chelated copper, i got mine for 8 dollars from amazon, twinlab chelated copper. I took 3 caps daily. Multivitamins are scams as most minerals have antagonistic relationships with each other so its impossible to absorb all of them in the same time especially in tablet or capsule form, liquid is much better. If i were u again i would test my coppper levels, that is if u really want to stop the hair loss.

I am having a blood test today to test for copper levels. did you 'only' stop further hairloss, or have you also had regrowth?

Well.. I got my blood test results back.

My TSH, Prolactin, Testosterone (Free, Bioavailable) and DHT levels are within the normal range. However, both DHEA Sulfate and SHBG are higher than normal: DHEA@ 435 mcg/dL (normal range: 45-345 mcg/dL); and SHBG@75 nmol/L (normal range: 10-50 nmol/L).

I guess DHT is not the culprit here, but something is definitely going on with hormones. Judging by the sleep problems, anxiety, and the constant feeling of being "tired and wired," my cortisol and probably epinephrine/norepinephrine are higher than they should be.

I've convinced my pcp to order more tests to check my blood levels of some vitamins (B2, B6, B12 and D) and minerals (Copper, Iron, Lead, Mercury and Zinc). It might take a couple of weeks for results to come in, though.

Well.. I got my blood test results back.

My TSH, Prolactin, Testosterone (Free, Bioavailable) and DHT levels are within the normal range. However, both DHEA Sulfate and SHBG are higher than normal: DHEA@ 435 mcg/dL (normal range: 45-345 mcg/dL); and SHBG@75 nmol/L (normal range: 10-50 nmol/L).

I guess DHT is not the culprit here, but something is definitely going on with hormones. Judging by the sleep problems, anxiety, and the constant feeling of being "tired and wired," my cortisol and probably epinephrine/norepinephrine are higher than they should be.

I've convinced my pcp to order more tests to check my blood levels of some vitamins (B2, B6, B12 and D) and minerals (Copper, Iron, Lead, Mercury and Zinc). It might take a couple of weeks for results to come in, though.

Good stuff. Excited to see your results. I need to make an appointment to start testing some more blood

 

pjjordan,

I'm glad you're finally turning the corner and hope you'll continue to improve.

you mention that you're using a steroid shampoo, do you happen to know what the active ingredient is in the prep?

I am using Clobetasol Propionate 0.05% Shampoo. I had the topical solution and it worked good too. The shampoo is easier

Discomfortzone, This is just an FYI. I noticed that you said your DHEA was high. Well, I supplemented DHEA years back, and I stopped because I noticed my hair starting to fall out. My hair stopped falling out shortly after I stopped the DHEA. Hope this helps a little. Good luck!

Dhea is produced by the adrenal glands which again goes back to my theory that the adrenals are playing a massive part in the hairloss. The only reasons that the adrenals will produce more dhea than normal is due to, toxins in the body, Pollution, stress, And medications. We could be getting somewhere here.

This was just recent and the hair loss stopped, my hair color also darkened as copper deficiency takes away the pigmentation of hair.

Dhea is produced by the adrenal glands which again goes back to my theory that the adrenals are playing a massive part in the hairloss. The only reasons that the adrenals will produce more dhea than normal is due to, toxins in the body, Pollution, stress, And medications. We could be getting somewhere here.

High DHEA levels are often associated with high cortisol, which in turn suggests hyperactive adrenals (out of balance HPA axis). As I have alluded to in my first post, megadosing on b5 seems to affect the HPA axis and cause overproduction of adrenal hormones (cortisol in particular), until the adrenals are exhausted.

The question is whether high cortisol is what's causing the hair loss or if there are other factors (e.g. Cu/Zn/Mg deficiencies) that are more directly responsible for this symptom. I had an episode of rapid hair shedding back in December (2-3 months after I'd stopped supplementing with b5) and back then taking remedies for adrenal fatigue seemed to have helped quite a bit. There is a very interesting talk on this topic (youtu.be/SM9vDjCuhvQ).

just got my test results. my copper levels were excactly where they should be.

Yeh had a feeling they would be. Adrenals are key to the whole thing I think, there are some very good adrenal support pills called drenamin

Im sorry this didnt turn out good news, is it possible u get the exact result? the normal values are very broad and u could be on the very low normal.

my value was 87 and that was exactly in the middle, so im pretty sure that rules that out for me.

are you taking drenamin blue09?

No not yet

@travelleruk what has happened with the stinging nettle results? Are you still using vitamin b5? You disappeared from this forum

@phillyeagle

How's everything going with your experience ?

@phillyeagle what's your update?

@travel what's your update and regime?

Hey sorry for disappearing...I've been busy doing some travelling and now I'm living in Vietnam.

I'm still taking the stinging nettle but had to reduce to dose due to slight brain fog...

It's hard to tell tbh whether my hair is really going to grow back...I really thought it was a couple of months ago. I still lose some but not as much as before and there are new ones growing but maybe I should be happy just if my hair stays as it is.

Glad this thread is still going and I hope we find an answer soon.