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On that basis of logic, though, almonds and peaches are in the same family though very different foods.
But yeah, I think IndieThinks argument was that fruits and vegetables shouldn't be mixed, something I personally disagree with, and she cited a less then stellar source to back that up.
I just have a question:
By leafy greens what exactly do you mean? I live in england and here the only leafy greens I can find are spinach which you're not meant to eat every day and rocket and watercress which are too strong tasting so what should I be using???
Chard, Collard Greens, Chicory, Bokchoy, Beets, Turnip Greens, Spring Greens, Kale, Radicchio, Mustards, Swiss Chard, Arugula, Green Endive, Rapini, Dark Leaf Lettuce, Romaine Lettuce
What's wrong with eating spinach every day? i do, is that bad?
The rationale would be that spinach are too high in oxalic acid which may interfer with the absorption of minerals like calcium, iron and zinc by forming oxalates crystals by binding with these minerals
This just works on the paper. In real life the effect of oxalic acid or phytic acid containing foods in a varied, nutrients and calorically adequate diet is irrelevant so much that after reviewing hundreds of studies on these substances the ADA published a meta-analysis in which claims that in the western diet these anti-nutrients are irrelevant; they appear to have a relevance only on calorically inadequate monodiet of lacking-nutrients foods like corn consumed in the third world. On those poor diet the high levels of anti-nutrients of the mono-food consumed is enough to decrease mineral absorption to 35%
A species is a reproductively isolated population that shares a common gene pool. This means that broccoli and kale are the same plant, each selectively bred to display certain genetic characteristics.
The point is to not mix fruits and veggies. Broccoli is a vegetable and kale is a leafy green - it doesn't matter that they're in the same family. My brother and I also share a common gene pool - but he's a male, and I'm a female. haha 🙂 When I refer to leafy greens, I'm referring to leaves that are green. Leafy greens combine well with fruit, veggies do not.
But yeah, I think IndieThinks argument was that fruits and vegetables shouldn't be mixed, something I personally disagree with, and she cited a less then stellar source to back that up.
Hey R.S. I have always, always, in all of my readings on health read that fruit is best eaten alone and it's definitely best to eat fruits and veggies seperately. If I find otherwise, I'll definitely post. Your one source saying that they're okay to eat together didn't seem too stellar to me either. 🙂 I'm not trying to start an argument with you though! Your posts are great - I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about this one.
Either way, regardless of sources and whatever knowledge a diet "guru" says, whether it's Cordain or Bass, I've never had any problems with combining fruits and vegetables. Then again, if you ask Danny he'll tell you food combining is an obsolete theory and that proteins and carbs are best combined to control insulin spike... which is exactly what I've been doing lately to control blood sugar and feel satisfied longer. So I'll eat fruit and nuts a lot, for this reason.
Either way, regardless of sources and whatever knowledge a diet "guru" says, whether it's Cordain or Bass, I've never had any problems with combining fruits and vegetables. Then again, if you ask Danny he'll tell you food combining is an obsolete theory and that proteins and carbs are best combined to control insulin spike... which is exactly what I've been doing lately to control blood sugar and feel satisfied longer. So I'll eat fruit and nuts a lot, for this reason.
Yeah, I've heard that the food combining is what is "ideal" or the best way to eat, but it's not absolutely necessary of course. Someone with good health could get away without properly combining their foods. I like your insulin controlling theory - seems smart to me. I was a little worried about the smoothies at first due to such a high intake of fruit sugar, but then I learned that the greens balance out the fruit sugars. Still though, maybe I should include some fat in mine to control insulin, and I know that including fats helps with better absortion of the vitamins/minerals as well.
Study: Vegetables May Keep Brains Young
CHICAGO - New research on vegetables and aging gives mothers another reason to say "I told you so." It found that eating vegetables appears to help keep the brain young and may slow the mental decline sometimes associated with growing old.
On measures of mental sharpness, older people who ate more than two servings of vegetables daily appeared about five years younger at the end of the six-year study than those who ate few or no vegetables.
The research in almost 2,000 Chicago-area men and women doesn't prove that vegetables reduce mental decline, but it adds to mounting evidence pointing in that direction. The findings also echo previous research in women only.
Green leafy vegetables including spinach, kale and collards appeared to be the most beneficial. The researchers said that may be because they contain healthy amounts of vitamin E, an antioxidant that is believed to help fight chemicals produced by the body that can damage cells.
Vegetables generally contain more vitamin E than fruits, which were not linked with slowed mental decline in the study. Vegetables also are often eaten with healthy fats such as salad oils, which help the body absorb vitamin E and other antioxidants, said lead author Martha Clare Morris, a researcher at the Rush Institute for Healthy Aging at Chicago's Rush University Medical Center.
The fats from healthy oils can help keep cholesterol low and arteries clear, which both contribute to brain health.
The study was published in this week's issue of the journal Neurology and funded with grants from the National Institute on Aging.
"This is a sound paper and contributes to our understanding of cognitive decline," said Dr. Meir Stampfer of Harvard's School of Public Health.
"The findings specific for vegetables and not fruit add further credibility that this is not simply a marker of a more healthful lifestyle," said Stampfer, who was not involved in the research.
The research involved 1,946 people aged 65 and older who filled out questionnaires about their eating habits. A vegetable serving equaled about a half-cup chopped or one cup if the vegetable was a raw leafy green like spinach.
They also had mental function tests three times over about six years; about 60 percent of the study volunteers were black.
The tests included measures of short-term and delayed memory, which asked these older people to recall elements of a story that had just been read to them. The participants also were given a flashcard-like exercise using symbols and numbers.
Overall, people did gradually worse on these tests over time, but those who ate more than two vegetable servings a day had about 40 percent less mental decline than those who ate few or no vegetables. Their test results resembled what would be expected in people about five years younger, Morris said,
The study also found that people who ate lots of vegetables were more physically active, adding to evidence that "what's good for your heart is good for your brain," said neuroscientist Maria Carillo, director of medical and scientific relations for the Alzheimer's Association.
The study examined mental decline but did not look at whether any of the study volunteers developed Alzheimer's disease.
http://www.comcast.net/news/health/index.j...alth_eatveggies
more good news for the green smoothie drinkers, you won't be crapping your pants when your 80 
I just made my first green smothie 
. I don't know how you can eat that everyday. i like lettuce but a lettuce smoothie was just gross. i thought the fruit. would help but it didn't i drank it anyway just because i made it and it's good for you but i don't think i'll make it again. maybe if i used apple juice instead of water it would be better.
I'm having the best luck with rice milk and soy milk as my bases, as opposed to kefir (dairy), as far as taste goes.
Lately I've been doing:
-Soy/Rice milk as base
-1 apple
-1 bananna
-1-2 handfuls frozen blueberries
-1 handful cranberries
-1 5oz. bag of baby lettuce
-1 Small handful of kale (the healthiest part of my smoothie!)
-Dash of stevia
-Dried coconut flakes for fat / extra calories
It's a bit more time consuming then usual (takes 10-15 minutes to make / drink / clean up), but it's worth it because they taste really good and I'm even able to sneak in some not so good tasting things like raw cranberries (more sour then a lemon, but great antioxidants) and kale (like a mix between brocolli and lettuce, appetizing when cooked but not so good when it's raw).
Jordan19 - try adding stevia for sweetening, using baby lettuce since it has less taste and more nutrition, and using rice milk for a base if you like rice milk.
I'm having the best luck with rice milk and soy milk as my bases, as opposed to kefir (dairy), as far as taste goes.
Lately I've been doing:
-Soy/Rice milk as base
-1 apple
-1 bananna
-1-2 handfuls frozen blueberries
-1 handful cranberries
-1 5oz. bag of baby lettuce
-1 Small handful of kale (the healthiest part of my smoothie!)
-Dash of stevia
-Dried coconut flakes for fat / extra calories
It's a bit more time consuming then usual (takes 10-15 minutes to make / drink / clean up), but it's worth it because they taste really good and I'm even able to sneak in some not so good tasting things like raw cranberries (more sour then a lemon, but great antioxidants) and kale (like a mix between brocolli and lettuce, appetizing when cooked but not so good when it's raw).
Jordan19 - try adding stevia for sweetening, using baby lettuce since it has less taste and more nutrition, and using rice milk for a base if you like rice milk.
thanks, i made it with 1.5 apples (big ones) two handfuls of bagged lettuce (i don't know what kind, it was part of a salad kit.) frozen mixed berries honey cinnamon and water. is stevia a sweetener?
I think I have started a minor revolution among people I know with the green smoothies... I make mine usually with strawberries, watermelon and peaches with parsley, which all my friends love, but at the organic store near my work I get them to make me watermelon, apple and parsley smoothies, and they make enough for me and then enough for themselves... they love it! 
The girl automatically starts making the smoothie as soon as I walk in 
She says that it makes her feel a lot more alert after drinking some. Anyways, I think its contributing to my skin clearing up. I have had a long battle with cysts and golden staph on my face, and these have really helped to give maximum nutritional support in the healing process. Thanks for starting this thread Independent Thinker...
I just made my first green smothie :sick: . I don't know how you can eat that everyday. i like lettuce but a lettuce smoothie was just gross. i thought the fruit. would help but it didn't i drank it anyway just because i made it and it's good for you but i don't think i'll make it again. maybe if i used apple juice instead of water it would be better.
Jordan, I'm really sorry you didn't like your smoothie. 🙁 I had a hard time making mine taste good in the beginning too. Be sure that you weren't using an "herb" salad, as those can be bitter, and as R.S. said, the baby greens do have a milder taste - baby spinach is especially mild. Try starting out with just one small handful of greens, and add some sweet frozen fruits like pineapple or peaches along with your bases fruits of apples, pears, bananas, etc. They do NOT have to taste gross - trust me!! In fact, I make them for my brother sometimes (I disguise the color with raspberries, as he "refuses" to drink my "green" smoothies), and he thinks they're just normal fruit smoothies and loves them. haha You CAN make them taste good - trust me - just keep experimenting! I hope they work out for you. Please let us know if we can help.
I think I have started a minor revolution among people I know with the green smoothies... I make mine usually with strawberries, watermelon and peaches with parsley, which all my friends love, but at the organic store near my work I get them to make me watermelon, apple and parsley smoothies, and they make enough for me and then enough for themselves... they love it! :dance:
The girl automatically starts making the smoothie as soon as I walk in :clap: She says that it makes her feel a lot more alert after drinking some. Anyways, I think its contributing to my skin clearing up. I have had a long battle with cysts and golden staph on my face, and these have really helped to give maximum nutritional support in the healing process. Thanks for starting this thread Independent Thinker...
Aussiegirl, you have put a big smile on my face!! Thank you so much for sharing this. How awesome that the people at the the organic store have gotten into the smoothies too, and I'm especially happy to hear how they have helped your skin. I know that must be such a relief for you. Thanks for writing! 🙂
Why not just add more fruit and veggies to your diet? You would get the same effect eating a salad and some fruit.
Not the same
Blending breaks up the cellulose walls and more more nutrients are released and made bioavailable
If you compare the same visual volume a blended salad in the same size serving is 80% more dense and 30% more nutritious