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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think over production of sebum is caused by a large concentration of androgen receptor in sebaceous gland. Those who are lacking or have a normal concentration of androgen receptor in sebaceous glands are unlikely to be sensitive with DHT. And I doubt topical treatments can make any difference on oil-secretion.
I think DHT is influencing the androgen receptor to secrete more oil. And the repetitive interaction of these two throughout the years yields to "permanence".
I think in order for us to reduce the secretion is to wait for years of inhibiting DHT. I'm not going to include isotretinoin to reduce it since it's effect on sebaceous glands could be temporary.
I'm talking about blocking DHT to reduce it's influence on the large concentration of androgen receptor. But I also believe that one year of DHT blocking could have a minimum effect on the oil-secretion. We really need to wait for a maximum of 5 years to see a reduction.
As per regards to Post #51. I can't agree more.
My views on these number of posts in this topic is that, you're only treating the surface of the problem.
Not the inherent deep complex problems that is the Root of Excessive Oil Secretion.
I personally shared the same many problems as Oil-Slickers do.
Permanent grease all day long regardless of washing.
I turned to nutrition and find out the main reasons why.
1) Our glucose level fluctuates more than non-acne sufferers. We must avoid simple CARBS (E.g Sugar, White Bread, Rice etc)
Changes in glucose level sends a wrong signal to our hormones. In layman terms, blood glucose level MAY contribute to increased Oil Production.
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My Personal Observation
After abstinence from Simple Carbs for at least 4 weeks, My oil level was Tolerable. Means 2 washes a day, that fixes it.
However upon working, I had access to limitless amount of biscuits (simple carbs) in the Pantry. I realized by lunchbreak, I had to constantly wipe off that oil slick over my face.
I am not sure if that contributes to increased DHT since it's way too complex for a simpleton like me to decipher.
But through this observation and many countless I had and connecting all the points over the past years, I realize what we eat terribly affects how we Look.
Thoughts
I am not sure as regard to #51 that DHT and it's countless interactions with our bodies has caused a "Permanent Effect" but I can tell you is that I avoided Simple Carbs to my best efforts and achieved good results (as compared to my past Oil Slick).
Yes I do have blackheads and such. But it's a improvement of 50%. Yes it's still oily to others but I find it at a "comfortable" zone and strive to do more to bring down the oilness.
3 Ways to Bring down Oil Production Long-Term (W/O any stupid products)
1) Avoid Simple/Fast-Digesting carbs
2) Take supplements (Focused on Oil Production)
a) Zinc regulates hormones (not increases it). I realized my testosterone improved and my sex drive returned. W/o Zinc Supplements I feel like a limp blimp. No, my Oil Production remains normal. Zinc is not a hormone wrecker.
b) Evening Primose Oil (Containing Gamma Linolelic Acid) This supposes to help to balance androgenic hormones but I can't explain it well as I have no qualifications. After taking this for 7 days. my oil production down by 30%. I have to attribute this to my upset hormones in my body. (I am 21 Male FYI)
c) Milk Thistle. Liver helps with detox our bodies. At least on the basis, I know Liver helps to regulate our hormones level and cleanse junk out of our body via Bile and etc. People with Acne I realize, aren't meant to eat modern's diet as their liver (like mine) are weak. The over accumulation of toxics over the years may lead to cystic acne. That's why children (13 years old) gets mild pimples. It's only until we're older (with puberty) we're cursed with an upset body with raging hormones cycling around our body endlessly, unable to be purged.
Milk Thistle restores or helps augment liver function. However please be reminded that supplements aren't short term. They are long-term benefits and may take time to show. But for my case, it's usually 2-4 weeks you will appreciate the difference. And to me, that's what I need. No more on-off shit products on the net.
3) Do a Body Cleanse
Read up on Fat Flush or any other Flush Books. It's on the net as well.
As our bile carries waste hormones. It's crucial we get them out of our systems (Similar to junk files in our hard drives).
Bile usually greenish in colour gets binded to fiber and excreted out in our bodies. Unfortunately minimal fiber in our modern diet means incidences of acne is just only to get more common in years to come. Just look at McDonalds. I doubt their food helps us to shit.
Take in more greens (for their fiber) or fiber supplements.
I tried B5-overdosing as promoted in this forum. I realized B5 is diarrhea-inducing and my loose stools are all green in colour. Even though I touched little vegetables. It's not vegetables. It's bile. However the overdosage of B5 was too heavy on the side-effects than on the benefits. Holistic nutrition is still the best way long-term. Those seeking for a quick cure may only have disappointment waiting at the end.
PM me if you guys need help. All the best.
In all honesty I tried this regimine/routine and just like what the author said, you will notice the difference in 3-4 days. My skin got glowier, less acne and definitely less oily. While reading this, my first reaction was "hey that makes sense: since I used to do OCM (Oil Cleansing Method). OCM for me was good for two months until I used tea tree oil, which broke me out like there was no tomorrow. Moisturizing is very important for the skin to function and work its best against harsh daily life.
The only problem with this ........ I dunno blog or info the author provided is the products he recommended. I checked it on makeupalley and found out they are pure steaming pile of doggy poo. Especially Cerave Hydrating Cleanser.
I used:
Lacura creamy face wash (moisturizing) = from ebay
Lacura Multi Intensive Serum
Lacura Anti Wrinkle Night cream (I use this even though I am 17)
These are wonderful products and very affordable too. If you don't believe me do your research about them. Peace out Peeps
I went to a very reputable dermatologist and asked him if there is anything I can do to help with my oily skin. He told me that a person's oily skin is determined by genetics and there are no creams or pills that could change the way a person's body produces oil.
There is some truth to moisturizing making skin less oily, actually. Here is how it works. If we overdry our skin with washing, scrubbing and using acne products, then the skin feels that it needs to make more oil to overcompensate for the dryness and thus tends to produce more oil than necessary. Thus, we need to moisturize to keep the skin as balanced as possible if we do choose to use drying cleansers and lotions.
I have acne and BP is the only thing that makes it stop from occurring. Therefore, I cannot afford the luxury of washing my face with nothing but water and let my skin moisturize itself naturally. If I stop using harsh BP products, maybe my skin will not be as oily, but I will start breaking out within a day. I'm guessing many people on this forum will agree with me.
I went to a very reputable dermatologist and asked him if there is anything I can do to help with my oily skin. He told me that a person's oily skin is determined by genetics and there are no creams or pills that could change the way a person's body produces oil.
There is some truth to moisturizing making skin less oily, actually. Here is how it works. If we overdry our skin with washing, scrubbing and using acne products, then the skin feels that it needs to make more oil to overcompensate for the dryness and thus tends to produce more oil than necessary. Thus, we need to moisturize to keep the skin as balanced as possible if we do choose to use drying cleansers and lotions.
HUH??? Didn't you even bother to ask the dermatologist (the one that you mentioned in your first paragraph above) if there was any truth to the idea that having dry skin causes it to produce more oil?? Several times over the years, I've explained the scientific evidence that refutes that simple notion. Why didn't you talk to your dermatologist about that same issue?
I know this is an old thread, but I felt obligated to post. I had never suffered from oily skin until about a few months ago. My forehead and nose specifically. Not really other areas of my face so much.It had gotten to the point that I was concerned enough to go to a dermatologist. He said it was possibly stress related and prescribed me a medication to apply to dry out my forehead. I honestly never used it because I felt that this may cause other issues as I had been using other products to dry out forehead that my my situation worse.I was at wits end. Anything I used that contained salicylic acid would make my face even oilier and shinier. I tried severalmoisturizers which I applied after washing and nothing helped. I then tried to eliminate any face wash that contained salicylic acid or lauryl sulfate. I ordered several Free and Clear products including their Gentle Face Wash but unfortunately these products didnt help either. I do continue to use the Free and Clear Shampoo, Conditioner and Body wash, but not the Face Wash. In any case, I was at wits end and I came across this thread. So last Thursday I purchased Cerave Hydrating Cleanser and used it for the first time last Friday.The only 2 products I have used these last 6 days have beenCerave HydratingCleanser and Neutrogena Hydro Boost Water Gel. My regimen for these last 6 days has been as follows.
Day 1- AM Cerave/Moisturizer
Forehead still looked slick and oily
PM Shower Water Only
Did not look in mirror so not sure if any difference
Day 2- AM Cerave/Moisturizer
Forehead still looked slick/shiny. Maybenot as slick/shiny
PM Shower Water Only
Did not look in mirror so not sure if any difference
Day 3- AM Cerave/Moisturizer
Forehead still a bit of shine, but definitely no longerslick
PM Cerave/Moisturizer
Forehead still a bit of shine, but definitely no longerslick.
Day 4- AM Cerave/Moisturizer
Forehead no longer slick. Still a bit of shine.
PM Cerave/Moisturizer
Still a bit of shine
Day 5- AM Cerave/Moisturizer
Still a bit of shine but drastic change as far as shine from day 1.
PM Cerave/Moisturizer
Bit of shine, but again drastic change from day 1
Day 6-
Cerave Only
Bit of shine but nothing obvious.
PM Cerave/Moisturizer
Very slight shine. The shine does not look oily, but more of a healthy glow.
Ill end with this. Im not endorsing any products here. In fact, Ive tried several other Cerave products that did nothing to help. I used the Neutrogena along with other products and it didnt seem to work. All I know is after trying a lot of different products and combinations this combination has taken away the slick forehead I had and has reduced the oiliness by Id say 90%. I just wanted to say thank you to the person that startedthis thread and hopefully this can help someone else. Just one note, when I both washed and moisturized, I used gentle circular motions. Gentle enough that I didnt feel like I was scrubbing and firm enough to know I was cleaning my face.