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14 hours ago, dirigo39 said:
I'm not sure if it was thick but it was definitely hard to touch and very similar to a large sizeable scab if you scrape your knee deep for example. It was like 15-17 years ago. The radius was of the scab maybe 3/4 of my cheek. The thickness might've been like a layer of skin perhaps a tiny bit less.
If you got anything close to the same as me the doctor will attack bandages to stick to your face as/during the procedure and the scabs will force it off slowly as you are not to touch, pick or do anything to it.
The scabs formed nearly immediately and for the record I was bleeding continuously for the first 1-2 days. Then in 10-14 days I think the scabs forced the bandages off and fell off and it was bright red, then pink in several months then normal in a year or slightly less.
On 8/11/2022 at 4:43 AM, dirigo39 said:Imaydo a taylor lib sub next year. I'm going to get a deep dermabrasion next month. This is what the doc in Mexico wrote to me...
Him understanding that a scab should form is what convinced me.
"Thank you for taking the time to send me your photo for evaluation.
Each Surgical dermabrasion session goes as deep as possible, right before we encounter fat. Please consider that yoru scars are considerably deep and therefore multiple sessions would be needed to provide optimal results. After each session (spaced at least 6 months appart) you would see improvement.
The procedure is usually done under sedation plus local anesthesia.
A scab definitely forms on the treated area and a dressing literally sticks to your skin and would naturally peel off within a week or two.
Patients can be red or pink or even a little darker toned for 3 to 6 months. "
I don't know if this doctor is any good but what he writes is identical to my experience to the letter. I hope he's good and I wish you the best of luck given your ethnicity.
And to be blunt, yes a few doctors 15 years ago told me that I'd have to get several deep dermabrasions to get the best result after I healed and went to see a few others to get opinions on the remnants. I remember I was so much happier with 1 I figured I couldn't bear risking it again but in hindsight maybe 2-3 is necessary. Or maybe it's risky. I'll never know.
It seems like this knowledge is a lost art or only done by old timers which is stupid as F.
18 hours ago, harmlessboy1441 said:I'm not sure if it was thick but it was definitely hard to touch and very similar to a large sizeable scab if you scrape your knee deep for example. It was like 15-17 years ago. The radius was of the scab maybe 3/4 of my cheek. The thickness might've been like a layer of skin perhaps a tiny bit less.
If you got anything close to the same as me the doctor will attack bandages to stick to your face as/during the procedure and the scabs will force it off slowly as you are not to touch, pick or do anything to it.
The scabs formed nearly immediately and for the record I was bleeding continuously for the first 1-2 days. Then in 10-14 days I think the scabs forced the bandages off and fell off and it was bright red, then pink in several months then normal in a year or slightly less.
I don't know if this doctor is any good but what he writes is identical to my experience to the letter. I hope he's good and I wish you the best of luck given your ethnicity.
And to be blunt, yes a few doctors 15 years ago told me that I'd have to get several deep dermabrasions to get the best result after I healed and went to see a few others to get opinions on the remnants. I remember I was so much happier with 1 I figured I couldn't bear risking it again but in hindsight maybe 2-3 is necessary. Or maybe it's risky. I'll never know.
It seems like this knowledge is a lost art or only done by old timers which is stupid as F.
Did your under eyes bruise? How did both a scab form immediately and you were bleeding continuously?
His front desk girl also had acne scars and he's done 4 on her.
1 hour ago, dirigo39 said:
Did your under eyes bruise? How did both a scab form immediately and you were bleeding continuously?
His front desk girl also had acne scars and he's done 4 on her.
I don't know about the bruising I honestly can't remember that. The scabs formed within a day or two and before they formed I remember I was bleeding a lot to where I was wiping it off the outer bandages for the first 36 hours maybe. I distinctly remember some fluid too like yellow or white or stuff oozing from my face with the blood real early on as part of the healing before the scab.
Then scabs formed and both forced off the bandages which fell off in maybe 10 or 12 days.
Yeah I remember being told I could do a few but again I was so happy by the first I didn't want to risk it again. I'm hindsight I may have been better off doing two.
On 7/13/2022 at 6:51 AM, Samedeepwaterasyou said:Ive had 9 subcisions, if you didnt hear popping your doctor did not do your subcision correctly. Also I can attest to the fact that subcision + filler is nonsense, 8 of my subcisions featured this and yielded no results. Lo and behold my 10th subcision Ive followed with suctioning and my face looks better than the 9 subcisions before it. Google scholar is our only friend, a few great studies out of the Middle East feature subcision suction and intradermal prp. It starts with a proper subcision though, I tried suctioning after a half assed borderline non subcision from rapaport in nj and saw no results. Im currently 15 days out from a proper subcision and suction protocol and my face looks better than the 9 subcisions before it. I also did intradermal prp with the subcision. I cant wait to rinse and repeat. It seems subcision is a multi step process, cutting the tethers isnt enough, you need a method to keep them cut. Also we need to start holding accountable these doctors claiming theyre doing subcision when theyre just running my a needle under your skin and not cutting tethers. May I ask who did your subcisions?
What's the suction protocol that you were following? And how is your face now?
I see that you mentioned that sometimes, cannula doesn't cut the tethers properly, and Nokor could do it, if you go scar by scar is that it? What if one has only one scar to fix, like in my case, does mean I should go for Nokor?
56 minutes ago, dirigo39 said:estoy confundido. esta en guadalajara? dice que es cirujano ortopedisto
I got the wrong name, thanks for the observation
Dr. Guillermo Valdez( Dermatologist and Surgeon (Guadalajara Jal)
Dr. Rufino Iribarren Moreno (Saltillo, Coahuila)one of the best surgeons in all of mexic)
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3 hours ago, Troner said:I am seriously thinking of traveling to Tijuana, it seems that Dr Caloca Jr has a good dermabrasion
Can you talk about your experience with him?
Since you know spanish you can negotiate a lower price than me.
Are you already in Mexico? Are you going to try Dr. Rufino Iribarren Moreno first? Have you contacted Dr Moreno?
The whole thing was about 3 hours-- about 2 hours of numbing and dermablading. The only painful thing were the numbing shots then you feel nothing. I chose no sedation, only numbing injections so that I could drive home.
His father, another plastic surgeon who's in his 80s, assists his son in almost all procedures. He was holding my skin taunt while the son dermabladed.
His front desk girl was healing from her 4th dermabrasion with him and what she used to have were pretty deep.
Your face swells up the 2nd and 3rd day. I had bruises under my eye that were similar to what people who had nose jobs have. All of that goes away within a week.
You should have soft food ready to eat the first week because the dressing will harden and you can't move your mouth much unless you want to disrupt healing.
My dressing came off at 9 days. I shouldn't have but I peeled it off too.
I would take 2 weeks off to heal. And even after that you should be OK with walking around with a red face.
I apply Vaseline or aquaphor everyday. I don't know if that helps the healing or not.
Avoid the sun.
Here's the harden dressing
how is the healing going on @dirigo39
I emailed morreno. He wrote
Se necesita primero una sesion de injertos para cicatrices en picahielo y posteriormente, 3 meses despues una dermoabrasion mecanica.
Apparently he's talking about this skin grafting.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227078/#!po=38.0000
The results are underwhelming though. I showed him my worst photos so I can see why he thinks I have lost of volume and need this.
12 hours ago, dirigo39 said:
Le envi© un correo electr³nico a morreno. El escribio
Se necesita primero una sesi³n de injertos para cicatrices en picahielo y posteriormente, 3 meses despu©s de una dermoabrasi³n mec¡nica.
Aparentemente est¡ hablando de este injerto de piel.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227078/#!po=38.0000
Sin embargo, los resultados son decepcionantes. Le mostr© mis peores fotos para que pueda ver por qu© cree que he perdido volumen y necesito esto.
He was head of the Burn Clinic plastic and reconstructive surgery service for a long time, he is very familiar with dermabrasion and skin grafts.
If I could choose someone to do skin grafts it would be Mr. Rufino Iribarren Moreno
With skin grafts the most severe scars would remain on the surface and with polishing dermabrasion it is the theory that he applies to his patients.
Biography (can use translator)
https://www.doctoralia.com.mx/rufino-iribarren-moreno/cirujano-plastico/saltillo#tab=profile-info
I would guess a 15-20% improvement but hard to tell.
I wish he went deeper, there are small scars that should have been eliminated had he gone deeper.
The doc claims if he went any deeper then it would cause scarring and he MAY be right.
I still like dermabrasion and will do another one in about 6 months. But witha different doctor.