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50 minutes ago, downinthedms said:@getsmart121@JaysonCYou guys seem to have a very strong opinion without having been to either of the doctors. I really have no interest to convince you are anyone about which doctor to go to. I simply made this post to give back to the community and sharemy personal experience with both of them since I personally had procedures with both. If you or anyone feels that the results I have shown above, the results shown on his website and in the videos are lighting tricks then there's nothing more I can do really. Feel free to choose the doctoryou feel in the best for you, if that is Rullan or Lim, then so be it. I am getting nothing for this recommendation so it really does not make any difference to me on a personal level, which doctor you choose.
The reply I posted wasnt meant for you. It was to the people who would see these pictures and believe it. So sharing my opinion so that others know what to look for. Isnt your post meant to enlighten others and do their research. But thanks again for sharing your journey, please dont take it the wrong way. I learned something new about the three layer subcision.
3 hours ago, downinthedms said:@getsmart121@JaysonCYou guys seem to have a very strong opinion without having been to either of the doctors. I really have no interest to convince you are anyone about which doctor to go to. I simply made this post to give back to the community and sharemy personal experience with both of them since I personally had procedures with both. If you or anyone feels that the results I have shown above, the results shown on his website and in the videos are lighting tricks then there's nothing more I can do really. Feel free to choose the doctoryou feel in the best for you, if that is Rullan or Lim, then so be it. I am getting nothing for this recommendation so it really does not make any difference to me on a personal level, which doctor you choose.
I appreciate the details you've provided about Dr. Hazany. It helps people like me learn more about who's out there.
I'm glad you got results with him! Sometimes, a doctor's techniques works really well with a patient's scars. Ideally, a doctor could tackle every scar. We'll have to hear more from different people about Dr. Hazany. Thanks for the info on him!
3 hours ago, JaysonC said:Thanks a lot. Appeciate it! But Dr Hazany charges tens of thousands of $ I believe and we are allowed to expect something better thanall lighting/ angleeffects and diminishing results as the filler wears off.
This is going to be the biggest factor in turning people off in my opinion. I think people are open to seeing different doctors when they don't get results from one. However, I don't know how most people can swallow that price tag.
If an overwhelming majority of people rave about Hazany here and there are photos and videos to back up his work, then maybe he deserves to charge that amount. If it really is a one-and-done type of thing, I think LOTS of you would be happy spending that much money just to get this scar journey over with. I don't see it happening though.
I've said before that doctors can genuinely want to help patients and simultaneously put on a business hat and rake in money because they know we are in a vulnerable position. I wouldn't put this past Hazany. We all know Rullan jacked up his rates several years ago. Emer charges an incredible amount to fund his exercise machines so that he can get that six pack. Don't want to know what Weiner and Lim charge...
6 minutes ago, Amanda Hall said:I appreciate the details you've provided about Dr. Hazany. It helps people like me learn more about who's out there.
I'm glad you got results with him! Sometimes, a doctor's techniques works really well with a patient's scars. Ideally, a doctor could tackle every scar. We'll have to hear more from different people about Dr. Hazany. Thanks for the info on him!
This is going to be the biggest factor in turning people off in my opinion. I think people are open to seeing different doctors when they don't get results from one. However, I don't know how most people can swallow that price tag.
If an overwhelming majority of people rave about Hazany here and there are photos and videos to back up his work, then maybe he deserves to charge that amount. If it really is a one-and-done type of thing, I think LOTS of you would be happy spending that much money just to get this scar journey over with. I don't see it happening though.
I've said before that doctors can genuinely want to help patients and simultaneously put on a business hat and rake in money because they know we are in a vulnerable position. I wouldn't put this past Hazany. We all know Rullan jacked up his rates several years ago. Emer charges an incredible amount to fund his exercise machines so that he can get that six pack. Don't want to know what Weiner and Lim charge...
I understand that hospitals and clinics are are profit-oriented these days but I think the costs of acne scarring treatments would be covered by the insurance for the huge psychological burden scars have on us. It is not a mere cosmetic problem!
Some doctors get it and charge reasonable prices but most of them are profit-oriented.
Treating scarseffectively is extremely hard and requires skills in multiple specialities. I don't see why a skilled doctor with such a unique skillset would charge small amounts. In fact, personally I'd be wary of anyone treating acne scars on the cheap because it would imply that they are either unskilled for the job or that they are doing charity (highly unlikely in cosmetic dermatology).
@downinthedmsdid he check up your scars first in the appointment and proceeded to treat you right away or did u have to reschedule another appointment, I just want to go there and be treated if Im flying out to LA
17 hours ago, downinthedms said:
(First two pics are before, last pic is after)
Hi,
I have had severe acne since I was a teenager. After visits to multiple dermatologists, my acne was finally solved by a dermatologist who put me on a full course of accutane. However, I was left with severe atrophic boxcar, rolling and icepick type scarring by then. Most dermatologists do not treat acne scarring and even if they do they cannot effectively treat acne scarring so I came to this forum looking for a solution. A user named beautifulambition was active on this forum at that time and had a recommended list of doctors which included Dr. Davin Lim in Australia and Dr. Rullan in San Diego. Since I was in North America, I went to Dr. Rullan approximately 3.5 years ago to perform subcision. While he was cheap at the time and only charged me 300-400$ for the subcision, he actually made my scarring WORSE so I actually have no idea why he is still one of the most recommended doctors on this forum. However, seems like there are some users on here who have had good results with him (or so they say). Regardless, after that I basically stopped trying to treat my acne scars because I thought that most of the people on this forum (and otherwise) were shills for the doctors (turns out some were in fact shills) and I really could not find REAL evidence of anyone having successfully treated acne scars to the extent that I would want if I was paying for additional treatment.
As luck would have it, around 2 months ago I came across a Reddit post that showed an amazing subcision before after. As usual, I was skeptical given my previous experiences and the fact that lighting tricks can be used to significantly enhance before afters as far as acne scars are concerned (which is what many doctors are doing). However, I contacted the user and she verified that result was in fact real. I started researching the doctor she mentioned and came across his website. For the first time in my research, I found pictures as well as videographic evidence of amazing acne scar before afters. This combined with the fact that the user verified her experience helped me confirm that the doctor's results were actually real and not doctored images. I came to this forum to search for the doctor's name and could find nothing about him so I was utterly shocked as to why he is not recommended on this forum.
If there is one thing you can take from this story so far is that you should not trust anyone, including this post and do your own research before choosing a doctor. The best MARKETERS are NOT the best DOCTORS. For a doctor to successfully treat acne scarring, he/she has to have experience in not only dermatology but also surgery. As you can imagine, finding doctors with both these specializations is extremely hard. Add to that the fact that if there is a doctor with both these specializations, why would he spend his time treating acne scars? It doesn't pay as much as other specialized surgery.
Now, coming to the reason I made this post, I wanted to put Dr. Salar Hazany on the map for this community. The only reason I can think of that he is not as recommended on this forum is that he is relatively expensive and does not have as good marketing as some other doctors mentioned on this forum. The following are the treatments I did with him:
- Phenol Cross
- 3-layer subcision (deep, medium and superficial layers)
- Sculptra
Here is the website for those who want to find out more and see more before afters of the results he has given his patients: http://www.hazanyderm.com/
He is likely pricier than most other doctors treating acne scarring but I would highly recommend saving up if you don't have the money and going to him instead of getting ineffective treatments from other doctors like I did in the past that may even scar your face further or worse, disfigure you. You DO NOT want doctors without specialized knowledge and extensive qualifications touching your face with needles or lasers. It is a mistake I made in the past if I can help even one person here avoid it, I will feel like I have given back to the community.
Again, I am NOT a shill (check my post history to confirm the facts I have posted above), but please do your own research before choosing a doctor including the one I just recommended.
Attached to this post is a before after (first two pics are before, last pic is after) of my right cheek and as you can see I have a darker skin type so I am still hyperpigmented from the treatment but hyperpigmentation goes with time, scars do not. The difference in my atrophic scars is night and day as can be seen.
I am extremely happy with the treatments and he is worth every cent!
Happy to answer questions and best of luck to everyone trying to treat their acne scars!
I™m sorry dude but did your camera break? How are you able to write such a detailed post, such detailed responses etc but one micro sized photo of one side of your cheek? Please tell me how that adds up :S
if you™re such a firm believer, why can™t you provide pictures of different angles and lighting?
1 hour ago, Catharsis2018 said:I™m sorry dude but did your camera break? How are you able to write such a detailed post, such detailed responses etc but one micro sized photo of one side of your cheek? Please tell me how that adds up :S
if you™re such a firm believer, why can™t you provide pictures of different angles and lighting?
Apparently, praising and defending the doctor in every post is enough contribution to the community. Who cares about photos? Especially when it's so damn easy to take some after photos
It's a pity because we all know how dermatologists use the effect of lighting / angle/ microswelling or fillers to 'show results'. The one poster on the forum about Dr Hazany cannot provide good photos either.
50 minutes ago, kendawg5161 said:@downinthedmsdid he check up your scars first in the appointment and proceeded to treat you right away or did u have to reschedule another appointment, I just want to go there and be treated if Im flying out to LA
I did a virtual consult with him before flying out
2 hours ago, downinthedms said:Treating scarseffectively is extremely hard and requires skills in multiple specialities. I don't see why a skilled doctor with such a unique skillset would charge small amounts. In fact, personally I'd be wary of anyone treating acne scars on the cheap because it would imply that they are either unskilled for the job or that they are doing charity (highly unlikely in cosmetic dermatology).
Not to say you shouldnt spend what you want but I dont think any scar revision specialist treats acne scarring on the cheap even Dr Rullan. Im very wary of any dermatologist in the Beverly Hills area, unless its a one and done its too expensive to keep going back to them.
I believe there is some extreme swelling. One month is too early to judge, especially after Tyler L. But I am happy that you are satisfied with this + sculptra will provide even more collagen next months so you will see even more.
Are you me? Your route is similar to mine. I also found out about Dr. Hazany via a Reddit post.
Even during the process with Dr. Hazany, I was looking for information on his outcomes here and elsewhere, to confirm if I should move ahead with each step. No joke, his prices are on the extreme high end and I would have liked to see more reinforcement to drop the dough into it, during my treatment.
Scar type, was some ice-picks here and there, and a lot of rolling, tethered scarring from cystic acne years and years ago. I had the Subcision 6 weeks ago and prior to that was Phenol Cross. Based on Dr. Hazany's explanation, he used a combination of cannula, nokor and Taylor-Liberator for my various scars. It did take several hours as well. I'm still waiting to make judgment on the final results, since I'm uncertain of how much inflammation is still going on, might make a post with before and after photos. I was like a chipmunk for the week after. I started doing suctioning of my temples and cheeks about 5 days after once the swelling went down. A preliminary guess at current improvement, I'd say at least a 80% improvement for now on my scars - I'll see if that holds.
My temples are much better texture wise, and cheek scars are not really noticeable. There is still currently some hyper-pigmentation and patchy numbness around my face as well, but sensation is returning. I expected some numbness based on reading of TL - thankfully no facial paralysis or nerve damage. The latter is low risk I believe, and from what I recall the actual subcision process was pretty meticulous - there was another Dr. present as well.
From a surgical standpoint, Dr. Hazany is pretty thorough. I heard the tethers getting undone as he passed through. And the application of Phenol Cross was also pretty detailed - I didn't notice any widening of scars afterward. My skin was very dry after for a while though.
From a business/ running office standpoint, I'm a bit ambivalent. Could be related to the high cost, but I was always unimpressed visiting. Appointments sometimes were delayed - given that you usually have to pay a deposit to visit and now face a cancellation fee, it felt like my time was taken for granted. On the flip side, you could take that as a sign that the office is very popular, given the foot traffic and limited appointment slots. He does try to have his in office photos as uniform as possible, with adjustable lighting to try to replicate consistency across photos. But also, I'm certain there is selection bias in the photos placed online, something I'd expect of a business. Based on what I read about TL, it is pretty destructive, as it thoroughly tears through scar tethers, supposedly. But the phrase "one and done" phrase also has me a little put off - because using that phrase felt like marketing gimmick, even if it was true. I'll see in the coming weeks.
@PricedInTo add some balance to the conversation, and so I don't sound like some fan boy, I do agree with your criticisms. I always wait at least 30 min past my appointment time for my appointments to start. I just think that is a result of him being super busy and having a small office in one of the most expensive part of LA. But to be completely honest, I would have happily waited even longer for the results of his treatment because they are miraculous! He has basically eliminated most of my scarring. And, also correct, Dr Hazany did not himself perform the subcision for me, another surgeon, theDr has trained did it who was extremely meticulous and awesome!
Hopefully you can post some pics as well for the non-believers on here.
5 hours ago, PricedIn said:Are you me? Your route is similar to mine. I also found out about Dr. Hazany via a Reddit post.
Even during the process with Dr. Hazany, I was looking for information on his outcomes here and elsewhere, to confirm if I should move ahead with each step. No joke, his prices are on the extreme high end and I would have liked to see more reinforcement to drop the dough into it, during my treatment.
Scar type, was some ice-picks here and there, and a lot of rolling, tethered scarring from cystic acne years and years ago. I had the Subcision 6 weeks ago and prior to that was Phenol Cross. Based on Dr. Hazany's explanation, he used a combination of cannula, nokor and Taylor-Liberator for my various scars. It did take several hours as well. I'm still waiting to make judgment on the final results, since I'm uncertain of how much inflammation is still going on, might make a post with before and after photos. I was like a chipmunk for the week after. I started doing suctioning of my temples and cheeks about 5 days after once the swelling went down. A preliminary guess at current improvement, I'd say at least a 80% improvement for now on my scars - I'll see if that holds.
My temples are much better texture wise, and cheek scars are not really noticeable. There is still currently some hyper-pigmentation and patchy numbness around my face as well, but sensation is returning. I expected some numbness based on reading of TL - thankfully no facial paralysis or nerve damage. The latter is low risk I believe, and from what I recall the actual subcision process was pretty meticulous - there was another Dr. present as well.
From a surgical standpoint, Dr. Hazany is pretty thorough. I heard the tethers getting undone as he passed through. And the application of Phenol Cross was also pretty detailed - I didn't notice any widening of scars afterward. My skin was very dry after for a while though.
From a business/ running office standpoint, I'm a bit ambivalent. Could be related to the high cost, but I was always unimpressed visiting. Appointments sometimes were delayed - given that you usually have to pay a deposit to visit and now face a cancellation fee, it felt like my time was taken for granted. On the flip side, you could take that as a sign that the office is very popular, given the foot traffic and limited appointment slots. He does try to have his in office photos as uniform as possible, with adjustable lighting to try to replicate consistency across photos. But also, I'm certain there is selection bias in the photos placed online, something I'd expect of a business. Based on what I read about TL, it is pretty destructive, as it thoroughly tears through scar tethers, supposedly. But the phrase "one and done" phrase also has me a little put off - because using that phrase felt like marketing gimmick, even if it was true. I'll see in the coming weeks.
Wow, another stellar review of Dr Hazany shortly after on another thread he was criticized for his exorbitantly high prices. All of a sudden so many people came out who were treated by him, even registering extra just to share their review. Similar impressive writing style as well! No before / afters, however! But who wouldn't want to go to a Dr when even thecriticism of him is actually positive thing, you wait and face a cancellation fee in case of missing the appointment, but it only goes to show to popular the doctor is. Nice!
14 minutes ago, JaysonC said:Wow, another stellar review of Dr Hazany shortly after on another thread he was criticized for his exorbitantly high prices. All of a sudden so many people came out who were treated by him, even registering extra just to share their review. Similar impressive writing style as well! No before / afters, however! But who wouldn't want to go to a Dr when even thecriticism of him is actually positive thing, you wait and face a cancellation fee in case of missing the appointment, but it only goes to show to popular the doctor is. Nice!
Lol...
3 hours ago, JaysonC said:Wow, another stellar review of Dr Hazany shortly after on another thread he was criticized for his exorbitantly high prices. All of a sudden so many people came out who were treated by him, even registering extra just to share their review. Similar impressive writing style as well! No before / afters, however! But who wouldn't want to go to a Dr when even thecriticism of him is actually positive thing, you wait and face a cancellation fee in case of missing the appointment, but it only goes to show to popular the doctor is. Nice!
Honestly, I didn't mean to sound like I was exalting Dr. Hazany. I was just outlining my experience and certain misgivings. Writing it out, was partially to help explain the exorbitant costs to myself and to have another anecdote for people interested in Dr. Hazany. I chose this username because, my headspace was around the sky high price throughout the process.
As most on this forum have mentioned, there is possibly some fair amount of inflammation even this many weeks after. If (a big if) my results hold for the months ahead since collagen formation is variable for individuals, I'm personally fine with the costs I incurred. Any less, then I'm disappointed and would say not worth the cost. I can drop a before and after down the line once inflammation settles.
Regarding the cancellation fee, I also think it's rather ludicrous. I wasn't justifying it - just the reason given when I asked. It's also why I was irked at the delays at appointments.
3 hours ago, PricedIn said:Honestly, I didn't mean to sound like I was exalting Dr. Hazany. I was just outlining my experience and certain misgivings. Writing it out, was partially to help explain the exorbitant costs to myself and to have another anecdote for people interested in Dr. Hazany. I chose this username because, my headspace was around the sky high price throughout the process.
As most on this forum have mentioned, there is possibly some fair amount of inflammation even this many weeks after. If (a big if) my results hold for the months ahead since collagen formation is variable for individuals, I'm personally fine with the costs I incurred. Any less, then I'm disappointed and would say not worth the cost. I can drop a before and after down the line once inflammation settles.
Regarding the cancellation fee, I also think it's rather ludicrous. I wasn't justifying it - just the reason given when I asked. It's also why I was irked at the delays at appointments.
I enjoy your vocabulary but I do not enjoy the fact that you couldnt share not evenone before or after photo with us. Should I assume that your camera is also broken?
On 7/28/2021 at 5:51 AM, downinthedms said:You are correct, there's very few doctors who can do this, I think I count count them on one hand. Its Dr. H in London, Dr. Mark Taylor in Utah who invented it and Dr. Salar Hazany in LA. Personally, I am not from LA either, I have been living here for almost 3months just for the purposes of the treatment.
Thank you for being so candid and forthright with information! I am familar with Mark Taylor from his realself profile. I like his patient results.Maybe someday if I'm tired of the local doctors, I could drive there. Plus I heard Utah is gorgeous.
7 hours ago, Catharsis2018 said:I enjoy your vocabulary but I do not enjoy the fact that you couldnt share not evenone before or after photo with us. Should I assume that your camera is also broken?
I don't have before and after photos. It's a pain in the butt to get these or take them yourself.
Maybe this person is providing an authentic account of the doctor.
Like the cliche saying goes, buyer beware.
20 hours ago, PricedIn said:Are you me? Your route is similar to mine. I also found out about Dr. Hazany via a Reddit post.
Even during the process with Dr. Hazany, I was looking for information on his outcomes here and elsewhere, to confirm if I should move ahead with each step. No joke, his prices are on the extreme high end and I would have liked to see more reinforcement to drop the dough into it, during my treatment.
Scar type, was some ice-picks here and there, and a lot of rolling, tethered scarring from cystic acne years and years ago. I had the Subcision 6 weeks ago and prior to that was Phenol Cross. Based on Dr. Hazany's explanation, he used a combination of cannula, nokor and Taylor-Liberator for my various scars. It did take several hours as well. I'm still waiting to make judgment on the final results, since I'm uncertain of how much inflammation is still going on, might make a post with before and after photos. I was like a chipmunk for the week after. I started doing suctioning of my temples and cheeks about 5 days after once the swelling went down. A preliminary guess at current improvement, I'd say at least a 80% improvement for now on my scars - I'll see if that holds.
My temples are much better texture wise, and cheek scars are not really noticeable. There is still currently some hyper-pigmentation and patchy numbness around my face as well, but sensation is returning. I expected some numbness based on reading of TL - thankfully no facial paralysis or nerve damage. The latter is low risk I believe, and from what I recall the actual subcision process was pretty meticulous - there was another Dr. present as well.
From a surgical standpoint, Dr. Hazany is pretty thorough. I heard the tethers getting undone as he passed through. And the application of Phenol Cross was also pretty detailed - I didn't notice any widening of scars afterward. My skin was very dry after for a while though.
From a business/ running office standpoint, I'm a bit ambivalent. Could be related to the high cost, but I was always unimpressed visiting. Appointments sometimes were delayed - given that you usually have to pay a deposit to visit and now face a cancellation fee, it felt like my time was taken for granted. On the flip side, you could take that as a sign that the office is very popular, given the foot traffic and limited appointment slots. He does try to have his in office photos as uniform as possible, with adjustable lighting to try to replicate consistency across photos. But also, I'm certain there is selection bias in the photos placed online, something I'd expect of a business. Based on what I read about TL, it is pretty destructive, as it thoroughly tears through scar tethers, supposedly. But the phrase "one and done" phrase also has me a little put off - because using that phrase felt like marketing gimmick, even if it was true. I'll see in the coming weeks.
Please notify me when you post the final results
glad to hear that you have got nice results. I´m interested in your aftercare. Did you use some type of cream? Did you drink a lot of water or avoid certain things? Any information would be helpful, even if you didnt do anything special at all. Thank you.
4 hours ago, Danny562 said:Subcision + sculptra...maybe a chemical peel to even out the skin tone. I asked Hazany if he could lazer off the discoloration on my last visit. He said NOand that we will talk about it as we progress thru my treatments. I like his approach to the problem (one step at a time and make decisions based on results). Thatmade me feel at ease with him. My last dermatologist did a horrible job and then tried to get me to spend more money to fix his fuck up.
Just don't set your hopes too high. Scars are for life. Can be improved a little bit but still will be very visible and bothersome. Look how many people have had 10+ 20+ procedures and still have their scars. Even if you have 50% improvement, the scars are still there. No laser, no peel, no filler can make them disappear.
9 hours ago, JaysonC said:Just don't set your hopes too high. Scars are for life. Can be improved a little bit but still will be very visible and bothersome. Look how many people have had 10+ 20+ procedures and still have their scars. Even if you have 50% improvement, the scars are still there. No laser, no peel, no filler can make them disappear.
Scars are for life and I agree. 50% improvement could be enough for some people - me, for example. Even though my scars will never go away, just improving them above a certain threshold will make me more confident. When a scar is really deep, it's bothersome. But when it's just a shallow divot and has a shape that isn't that bad, it's much more acceptable. Sure, people will see it, but their eyes aren't locked on it because the scar kinda blends in with your face. That's why I'm satisfied with some of the treatments I've done. Before, it was a single big scar that dominated my face. Then laser treatments smoothed it out and now it's hard to set your eyes on it.
People need to know that scars will never go away from the start. But you need to know that many sufferers here are happy to get to a certain point where they are comfortable not wearing makeup or just going out and about without thinking about their scars.
Just did a Cross treatment several weeks ago and it got rid of a harsh border of a narrow boxcar scar. I really hope it's not swelling and that the scar will look more sunken after a month or two. I'd say the improvement is 25% if this sticks. That's almost good enough for me to call this a victory.