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I had the same experience with Chu! The same to the each point! Thank you SimpleMatton for sharing the OWNEST opinion. I would like to add to your points.
1. The same package and no other options! And when you try to ask questionsabout fillers, etc.- Denying and NO explanation! Annoyed if you continue to ask questions.
2. When I asked about Dermapen, he just said you should not do it yourself!. I tried to ask about Derminator - no answer. Certainly he understands that when people learn how to do it them selfs they wont come to him for this. He was annoyed when I refused from Dermapen on the cheeks on the 2d treatment.
3. I asked him what is the buffer after Sub? You do need one was the answer! Your own blood is enough! Which is not because all the scars got reattached.
4. TCA done in a rushed way missing the scars and not accurate - some scars done fully with the edges when the others only the half, washing the frost straight away after it appeared. Resulted in more deeper scars. Luckily healed after 3+ months to the original state with no improvement.
I said all this in my thread, I repeat it here and in Reina thread. It is enough.
PLEASE EVERYONE WHO IS THINKING ABOUT CHU UNDERSTAND ALL THIS!
Going to Dr.Emil...
Who will be my last option.
@SibelI covered all of this above, I don't know if you saw what I posted.
1) This is common Dr's offer the same package to every patient, he is a generalist, just like many other Dr's, you don't pay 500ish Euro and then expect Lim $$,$$$. I also never say just to see him, ... always to goto multiple Dr's for a consult and pick the one you like best. Some patients really love him, have a few each week who tell me this. He is great for simple cases or those who are just starting out. Now if your complex, sensitive, need after care and customized treatment, heal poorly, or need a one stop shop for a Dr who is not stubborn no he is not the right choice. For some he is the beginning. Because of group consensus especially over the last year I have stopped recommending him.The problem is I cannot please everyone. Dr's are very specialized, it's like dating. Some like roses and other's daises. I am glad you found someone who you like now. Every Dr has had a complaint by someone here, even the best.
2) Why would you ask about doing something at home with a Dr, ... you know they want to make money right, they don't want you doing anything to yourself.
3) He does not believe in many things. He is stubborn like many Dr's out there. They don't want to be told how to do their job. Some get complacent. Filler's and everything are more modern and his colleague does use it Dr Anil, in fact he also does energy devices unlike Chu.
4) Sadly many Dr's rush. They feel your paying a low amount or they have over booked, you see this with surgeries all the time. Or he wants many surgeries instead of long expensive ones.Perhaps he is tired he has treated thousands over the years. I cannot say.
I respect your comments and your warning to other's want to give both sides of the equation. The good thing is you found someone who works for you, keep up that treatment.
Thanks you for providing those pics, that is helpful.
IT looks like you have surface rolling scars, ... hard to tell with that angle. It's always best to see the shadows the scars make and have a angle of your individual cheeks using a flashlight or directional light.
Dr Emil could do several sessions of subcision for you, he does Nokor and cannula. I am inclined to say get cannula. As your scars are widespread and textural I would get a filler like sculptra done injected all under the cheeks to promote collagen formation. You can get a vial a time with subcision. Then you can get HA filler on top to individual scars or do Chinese Cupping for a month after to prevent re-tethering. Make sure the Sculptra is injected deeply and over dilute. Any injector even in Italy who is skilled can also do this even a week after your subcision when your home. I believe Emil will use the product"soon."
I would have him also use fractional co2 to soften the edges of your atrophic scars. It will take a few sessions.
Dr Emil Has Fully ablative Erbium laser to resurface this or you can goto a nearby plastic surgeon in Italy for a deep phenol peel. Be prepared this has a long down time, but effective things always do. This is always done last.
I would have you at home use the derminator with the single needle attachment, needle the borders of your scars specifically to soften them monthly between Dr's treatments done every 3 months, also do glycolic peels. I know it's summer so you may need to hold off to that till the fall as Italy can be hot now. Use a retinoid nightly.
Filler and sub will do you a world of good, and it needs to be aggressive.
-BA
2 hours ago, Sibel said:I had the same experience with Chu! The same to the each point! Thank you SimpleMatton for sharing the OWNEST opinion. I would like to add to your points.
1. The same package and no other options! And when you try to ask questionsabout fillers, etc.- Denying and NO explanation! Annoyed if you continue to ask questions.
2. When I asked about Dermapen, he just said you should not do it yourself!. I tried to ask about Derminator - no answer. Certainly he understands that when people learn how to do it them selfs they wont come to him for this. He was annoyed when I refused from Dermapen on the cheeks on the 2d treatment.
3. I asked him what is the buffer after Sub? You do need one was the answer! Your own blood is enough! Which is not because all the scars got reattached.
4. TCA done in a rushed way missing the scars and not accurate - some scars done fully with the edges when the others only the half, washing the frost straight away after it appeared. Resulted in more deeper scars. Luckily healed after 3+ months to the original state with no improvement.
I said all this in my thread, I repeat it here and in Reina thread. It is enough.
PLEASE EVERYONE WHO IS THINKING ABOUT CHU UNDERSTAND ALL THIS!
Going to Dr.Emil...
Who will be my last option.
Agree with everything, sent you a PM
1 hour ago, beautifulambition said:@SibelI covered all of this above, I don't know if you saw what I posted.
1) This is common Dr's offer the same package to every patient, he is a generalist, just like many other Dr's, you don't pay 500ish Euro and then expect Lim $$,$$$. I also never say just to see him, ... always to goto multiple Dr's for a consult and pick the one you like best. Some patients really love him, have a few each week who tell me this. He is great for simple cases or those who are just starting out. Now if your complex, sensitive, need after care and customized treatment, heal poorly, or need a one stop shop for a Dr who is not stubborn no he is not the right choice. For some he is the beginning. Because of group consensus especially over the last year I have stopped recommending him.The problem is I cannot please everyone. Dr's are very specialized, it's like dating. Some like roses and other's daises. I am glad you found someone who you like now. Every Dr has had a complaint by someone here, even the best.
2) Why would you ask about doing something at home with a Dr, ... you know they want to make money right, they don't want you doing anything to yourself.
3) He does not believe in many things. He is stubborn like many Dr's out there. They don't want to be told how to do their job. Some get complacent. Filler's and everything are more modern and his colleague does use it Dr Anil, in fact he also does energy devices unlike Chu.
4) Sadly many Dr's rush. They feel your paying a low amount or they have over booked, you see this with surgeries all the time. Or he wants many surgeries instead of long expensive ones.Perhaps he is tired he has treated thousands over the years. I cannot say.
I respect your comments and your warning to other's want to give both sides of the equation. The good thing is you found someone who works for you, keep up that treatment.
Thanks you for providing those pics, that is helpful.
IT looks like you have surface rolling scars, ... hard to tell with that angle. It's always best to see the shadows the scars make and have a angle of your individual cheeks using a flashlight or directional light.
Dr Emil could do several sessions of subcision for you, he does Nokor and cannula. I am inclined to say get cannula. As your scars are widespread and textural I would get a filler like sculptra done injected all under the cheeks to promote collagen formation. You can get a vial a time with subcision. Then you can get HA filler on top to individual scars or do Chinese Cupping for a month after to prevent re-tethering. Make sure the Sculptra is injected deeply and over dilute. Any injector even in Italy who is skilled can also do this even a week after your subcision when your home. I believe Emil will use the product"soon."
I would have him also use fractional co2 to soften the edges of your atrophic scars. It will take a few sessions.
Dr Emil Has Fully ablative Erbium laser to resurface this or you can goto a nearby plastic surgeon in Italy for a deep phenol peel. Be prepared this has a long down time, but effective things always do. This is always done last.
I would have you at home use the derminator with the single needle attachment, needle the borders of your scars specifically to soften them monthly between Dr's treatments done every 3 months, also do glycolic peels. I know it's summer so you may need to hold off to that till the fall as Italy can be hot now. Use a retinoid nightly.
Filler and sub will do you a world of good, and it needs to be aggressive.
-BA
Thank you very much, I do think subcision is the best treatment for my rolling scars and will try to ask about Sculptra
I also would like a session of full ablative CO2 laser in the end to improve my texture
@youstolemyusernamePlease use the search feature and look in the scar treatments sub. He has been discussed many times, ... no he is not retired I think he shares a clinic with Dr Anil now and has moved locations. I do not recommend him anymore because of issues other member have had with his treatments - read the posts (group consensus). I recommend Dr Anil over him who is also in the UK.
Wow thanks for your quick reply! Well the truth is, I tried to book an appointment with dr Davin Lim but hes fully booked till the end of this year and I waited for half a year alreadyso I asked him for recommendations and he suggested dr Tony Chu for my ethnic skin type (Im Asian btw).
Now that I heardr Chu isnt that great anymore Im really worried. Do you perhaps know of any good dermatologist that have experience w Asian skin type?
Much appreciated and thanks again for your sharing so much info with us.
best wishes
Avoid Chu, I literally wasted money with him. You can do DermaPen yourself at home, his TCA CROSS is done with an incorrect technique and indeed it achieved no result whatsoever.
And as for subcision, he only subcized two of my scars and he put nothing in between as a buffer so as soon as the swelling went down it's like subcision was never performed.
I talked with other 4-5 people through MP about dr Chu and none of them got satisfactory treatments from him....
Thanks @SimpleMuttonfor letting me know. I'm trying to do research on my acne scarsand landed on this wonderful acne community where everyone is genuinely helpingout each other. It seriously comforting to me because my scars are not only on the outside but it's also a mental battle.
thoughthere is just too much information on hereand I'm now literallydiving into a sea of sources - still gotta figure out what's the best option for me... I'm not there yet.
@youstolemyusernameYou can see Dr Anil in the UK or Dr H consults for Asian skin. You want to start with manual methods first before laser. Dr Emil is very good and in DEnmark cheap Ryanairaway.
See more in the FAQ pinned to the top of the acne scar treatments main sub. Bottom of that is the providers.
Yes I have got pigment after Subs. On that places where there were the bruises.
If to consider Emils Sub as the 1st Sub done properly then I have to wait and see... in the same time I have already done 4 Subs before Emil with no result..it should be 3Months +In between the treatments.
I've seen Prof Goh in Singapore as well and have to say it was a pretty underwhelming consult. All he did was to tell me to wait to see if my scars get better on its own cause at that time they were only 4 to 5 months old. Spewing stuff like "you don't want to go in poking with invasive treatments lest it disrupts the natural healing process, let the body do its thing" and all that. What a waste of a consult at 100 bucks to just tell me to wait and see. Not to mention he looked like he was half asleep throughout the consult.
22 minutes ago, Sibel said:For me it cost 1000euro Sub plus filler but I had 3 areas to subsize. 2 cheeks plus the forehead.
CrasBash So sorry to hear that( Did you go to Chu after all these sessions to showthat you don have the result? Or not poss to discuss anything?Seems like he is on pension now and does nor care anymore. Who cares about the cheap price if the procedure itself was done unaccurate with no results.
So I hope EmilsSubs will bring result eventually. Now when I found a Dr I can have the normal dialog and skilled treatments I am goingto stick with him and do at least 3 Sub. The question is that if after 3-6 Sub with rightDr there is no result then what?
How many exactly sessions with Chu did you do?
I did it 4 times maybe and when i told him i dont notice change he say it is different from paitent to patient
The problem I cant go out from UK. I need to have doctor from UK and who can treat severe scars
Edit: Can we not keep mentioning Chu, just did a search, some of you are mentioning him daily if not weekly now. IF someone ask's about him simply say he is not that good or search past posts about him a better Dr would be... That is constructive.
Firstly I am sad that Chu "hurt" some of you. You ask why he was recommended, ... because he is verrrrrrrrrrry experienced. Just this week I had patients tell me they were happy with him even though I dissuaded them from seeing him. They realize he just does general treatment. I cover this more below. Regardless we evolve and things often change, why did people use cassettes before mp3's and ipods now. We are working toward the greater good of scar treatment. So I don't understand the hate with trying to help people for free here. I understand your disgruntled and lost money, ** lesson if your not seeing improvement after 4treatments don't continue to see that Dr, either your not a good fit, don't heal well, or something is not working.Chu is overly conservative with treatment on purpose. You want aggressive you go elsewhere!Again I do not recommend him or mention him, so why are the same people bringing him up weekly now. It only advertises him more.
I think a lot of you do not have realistic expectations and I have tried to educate in this regard. Chu has treated for 30 years, ... who knows he may be tired and old, I cannot say. A lot of Dr's have a set package, the point is you want results. IF you only knew how many Dr's have lots favor on this forum: Rappaport, Rahimi, Young, Emer, Even Novick, Goh I hear is being conservative(he was never a great Dr but is amazing with laser), ... These Dr's all have their specialty, and all treat scars differently, some are stuck in their ways. Anyone tried going to medical school it's a long process and takes a lot of work, the ones with the most experience often do not innovate after they gain treatment protocols and prestige. Just like a tool at a hardware store, different Dr's are used for customized treatments. Your comparing treatments, health concerns, aging issues, and the need for various outcomes, ... some of you do not heal well. The one's who do not heal well tend to stick around he forums here and complain. The one's who have sucess move on.
Just because a Dr mentions someone - ie. Lim and Emer, does not mean they are a good Dr. The patient perspective is different than a Dr who has a relationship with a colleague. The higher up you get in the game, the more fame and notoriety you have, Emer is on a path to his own Hollywood reality show and sells that lifestyle. Lim has tried to help him because of botched patients. Regardless he is not mentioned here ever. READ THE FAQ - pinned to the main scar treatments sub, it clearly says some bad things about certain Dr.s I mentioned above.
But how do you please everyone. Every Dr even the TOP 1% Scar Treating Dr's have had complaints and people say they are terrible. Should I not try to help anyone with resources (it's all very subjective - I cannot analyze everything about every one of you). Have you ever read Real Self, it's known as a site where people goto complain, if your happy you just don't post there often unless your paid off or they twist your arm to do so. Lots of the complaints are uncalled for and a lot of the mediocre Dr's are ok, ... the supper high rated ones must be using click farms to inflate their ratings. One person for instance wen to 5 practitioners, had procedures done at the same time and complained their face was ruined, ... I wonder why. Another complained they had redness - it's like seriously why do the ones with nothing wrong complain the worst.
This is NOT true that all TCA is self neutralizing. Some is not, it depends how the chemistry was formulated. What the PH is. How it was applied. Perhaps Chu was sued for aggressive TCA, I cannot say. Dr's get jaded by bad patients. They then become over protective and cautious with treatment. I think he worries about sensitivity. Perhaps he is excellent at teaching and terrible at treating and in his ten year at the university. Enough about Chu.
@CrashBashHave you even read the faq, it's pined to the top of the scar treatment sub. There is Dr Anil who does generalized treatment in the UK I am told better than Chu but still very generalized. Dr H consults with shoot you up with laser if you want to go that route. Emil is more well rounded. There are a few other plastics and derms in the UK, read the FAQ. Reading your other posts, just go see Dr H consults and do VERY aggressive treatment.
@SibelI have said this multiple times, and I even saw you mention it so your aware. You have chicken pox scars as well. These don't respond well to traditional treatments, ... if your getting results great!!!! You like your Dr good!. You also are dealing with aging issues and other factors. If you don't respond you had mentioned as well, then it's time for punch excision of the chicken pox scars. But do give it a try with Emil, ... slow process. He I am sure is trying to make you happy.
@SimpleMuttonIt's fine that you post your thoughts, but can we not daily ... or weekly mention Chu. We are giving him advertising. I took the group consensus and we have removed him. I don't think it's healthy to keep mentioning him. I know your very angry and upset, rightly so. Let's try to help other's see someone who is good ok. We evolve. Chu was very very good at one time. Read the past reviews he had a streak of almost 10 years. I mentioned why he possibly changed above.
@JelloGI know a lot about the Dr's in Singapore, I have a friend who is a Dr there. Goh is not the best, ... again he is a teaching DR. Excellent with his knowledge, but does not want to try risky or innovative new things. Very conservative. He only does laser and not manual methods. I would see someone in Singapore that does Cannula subcision, manual methods are always best. Sadly in Singapore many Dr's push Picosure fixing everything which is does not.
@Noa27I covered this above. Dr's have a different relationship with each other than a patients review of them. Chu is brilliant, has written multiple books on dermatology, that is most dermatologists dream of doing, ... he teaches at a prestigious dermatology college. Perhaps he is tired. You want a patient's perspective and you have it now from being on this site, so who cares what a Dr recommends. That is worth more than recommendations. I can recommend to you a Dr and you might not like them, it's all very very subjective. I try to help for the greater good from a different standpoint then say a Lim recommendation which is their knowledge and experience, application is different than actual know how.
BA yes we are all different, that us why I hoped for normal discussion with Chu. Exactly because I have chicken pox scars and have done treatments before.He could be 10000 times respected professor but it is not poss to talk to him to discuss certain points. Any question I asked was in denial and no explanation. Fillers? No they migrate... Cannula? No only Nokor....Why? Because...Ihave got new lines after Dermapen. No it can not be...And the treatment! Was Not done properly, missing scars, ignoring my requests to avoid areas under the eyes, denied aside effects... getting annoyed... and no result and as you see it is notmy case only... How could you built your relation and medical history with the Dr like this...
I did not intend to mention Chu again, it was so much stress that I try to forget it!
Sure I'll try to bite my tongue and not mention him anymore
But I just can't understand in what exactlyhe's great in treating acne scars, I mean dermatology is a vast field....probably, and I'm sure, he's great in treating other conditions, but as far as acne scars go I don't agree...
I mean it's been proven by medical research that cannula subcision is more effective and have less side effects than Nokor, why doesn't he do it? Nokor should only be used for very fibrotic scars that can't be subcisedwith the cannula. The risk of lumps or bruising is very high with Nokor and indeed I always got them. Never got them with the cannula needle. I don't understand why he can't update his treatments. It's like he doesn't even read anymore new medical papers. A good doctor should always keep himself informed with the latest research. The same thing is true for fillers.
And as for the TCA Cross I'm sure his technique is bad. Personally I think all TCA are self neutralizing so there is no need to washit off the acid after literally 3 seconds. The results are zero by doing that.
I mean for that I have proofs. With him I got zero results, not even scabs in the majority of scars. With Emil I'm seeing results in the spots he used the TCA (without washing it off). Of course they aren't at surface level but they have improved
Anyway, I swear this is the last time I talk about dr Chu! I only criticize him because he was included in the top 1% acne scars specialist in the world. If he was a normal dermatologist I wouldn't have said anything. I personally met dermatologists who didn't even know the difference between a TCA peel and TCA cross or others that proposed Fraxel or a light glycolic peel for ice pick scars (LOL).
I haven't criticize them because nobody talked high of them, but out there is full of dermatologists who actually know very little about acne scars. If Chu updated his treatments he'd good
@SimpleMutton@Sibeland others, thank you for sharing your negativeexperience with Prof. Chu (He who must not be named).. I wish I would have had the opportunity to readenough of suchwell-informedreviews prior to seeing him and you just confirmed my opinion about himas well..I am sure youhave saved some money and bad emotions to other usersonthis forum by doing so. I tried to put a warning about Novick as well in my other reviews.. I wasted mymoney on the two doctors who were so much recommendedby admins in past just because there werenot enough such reviews to make me more careful.
@beautifulambitionI do not mean to sound bad BA but these reviews are so important even if peopleare repeating them often as they are always new users joining inand they probably do not search for all the past conversations.. you would better understand the level of our frustration if you would be the one going through this, traveling to a foreign country, spending your free days and money on Drs so much hyped on this forum we all trustand then get shocked with no or negative result. I am just thankfultoday thatChu did not cause me moreharm with his aggressive Dermapenmethod, and two small scars from the incision points after Novick have faded a lot after a year..it is great that these people still have will and energy to share what they went through and prevent others from repeating their mistakes, lots of others dont even bother..
BA We talkabout normaldialog and treatment! Not about the result which varies. When the surgeon in the clinic is going to do the operation to the patient he explains what will be done and why and doesnotget aggressive when the patient asks the questions! Why with Professor of Dermatology itis different? Why did my simple questions makeChu so annoyed? And the visit to Emil proved that it could be different! I would shut my mouth and leave all the questions behind if the Chus treatment was done right and without annoyment! We are all here with scars which is difficult on its own and the last thing we want to see the Dr to get morestress and annoyment! And we who went through this stress with Chu have similar reviews!
Before the recommendation for Sub was 1-3, now it is 3-8...
and...please... a lot of us seeingthe therapist... you do not have to advise it every time..
